h******n
发帖数: 734 | 1 when your opponent seems to be calling good balls out. what should your
mentality be?
try hit all later balls more inside the box? this often leads to self-
destruction
reciprocate on ambiguous line calls? and play as usual?
when the opponent questions a close line call? what should your mentality be? | b*e
发帖数: 3845 | 2 Mentality is not something you can teach. It's through win/loss from many
league matches.
Actions is something you can recommend. If my shot hit right on top of line
(cross court or I feel is near the baseline), I won't argue. Just keep
playing. You do have option to add a little topspin to keep ball in or play
more high percentage. After all, you shouldn't aim the sideline, baseline
all the time. High percentage is the way to go. If a my DTL shot hit right
on top of line or I saw the ball is inside the line, I will bring it up to
my opponent. Whether they agree or not to give me the point, it also affect
them psychologically when they do this kind of bad call. For you, you need
to think it's just the way a USTA match is, and move on.
It's easy said than do it myself. In one of USTA tournament that I attended
years ago, I played with a definitely cheater in the first round. During our
match tiebreak, he called two of my approach shot DTL (near baseline) out,
I saw the ball inside (not even touching the line), and I lost the tiebreak.
In another USTA match, a lefty guy (pusher type, always loop high spin/
moonball) always call my slice serve (to his backhand) and my cross court
BH out if it hits the line. For 2 or 3 times, it's inside the line. I
eventually questioned his call. He was saying "it's his call", and I argue "
your call is bad" blah blah. After that I play more cautiously not to aim
the line, and he called more cautiously. Then I changed my style to serve
and volley, eventually I won the tough match in 3 sets (At that time my
serve and volley sucks)
So you're totally on yourself psychologically. If you're mentally weak by
nature, you either need to play more official match or there is not way to
make it tougher.
be?
【在 h******n 的大作中提到】
: when your opponent seems to be calling good balls out. what should your
: mentality be?
: try hit all later balls more inside the box? this often leads to self-
: destruction
: reciprocate on ambiguous line calls? and play as usual?
: when the opponent questions a close line call? what should your mentality be?
| h******n
发帖数: 734 | 3 good advice, I almost never question my opponent's line call,maybe i should
change that. but I do get annoyed if opponent questions my line call.
when I serve or when the ball lands near the baseline, I just can't see them
in or out. So they are at mercy of opponent.
as you said balls landing on sideline DTL is easier to see.
i take all matches seriously and the scores are always recorded. be it USTA
or my local league match.
but laoyoutiao tricks/mentality always help:) | b*e
发帖数: 3845 | 4 Human being is selfish by nature, it's very tough to "always give your
opponent the benefit of doubt". Most people just can't do it.
我发现line call跟性格关系很大，平时生活中比较谦让的人line call大多相对较松。
should
them
USTA
【在 h******n 的大作中提到】
: good advice, I almost never question my opponent's line call,maybe i should
: change that. but I do get annoyed if opponent questions my line call.
: when I serve or when the ball lands near the baseline, I just can't see them
: in or out. So they are at mercy of opponent.
: as you said balls landing on sideline DTL is easier to see.
: i take all matches seriously and the scores are always recorded. be it USTA
: or my local league match.
: but laoyoutiao tricks/mentality always help:)
| h******n
发帖数: 734 | 5 a more concrete question:
I always try to hit the ball back if the ball is slightly out
but my some opponent seems to take this as I am not sure if the ball is out
or in.
maybe I should let the ball go and call out without touching the ball? | b*e
发帖数: 3845 | 6 If the ball is very deep, very near the baseline, you should prepare to hit
it no matter what. As you hit it, you see the ball out, you call it out, at
the same time you are still completing the follow through. If you're sure
the balls out, even you call it late, it's ok.
However, if you're not sure the ball is in or out (if I don't see there is a
gap between the ball and line), it's better to give opponent benefit of
doubt not to call it out and keep playing. That's what I usually do. It's
very tough to see it at the side line, so sometime from my opponent's view
it's out, but I kept playing.
out
【在 h******n 的大作中提到】
: a more concrete question:
: I always try to hit the ball back if the ball is slightly out
: but my some opponent seems to take this as I am not sure if the ball is out
: or in.
: maybe I should let the ball go and call out without touching the ball?
| h******n
发帖数: 734 | 7 ok so as you suggest I should not stop the swing to avoid touching the ball.
that's what I do now. | b*e
发帖数: 3845 | 8 Another thing is for your own game play. You should play aggressive high
percentage shot. This means hit as hard as you can, swing the racquet as
fast as you can if you still can control the ball, however, aim at least 3
feet inside line.
out
【在 h******n 的大作中提到】
: a more concrete question:
: I always try to hit the ball back if the ball is slightly out
: but my some opponent seems to take this as I am not sure if the ball is out
: or in.
: maybe I should let the ball go and call out without touching the ball?
| h******n
发帖数: 734 | 9 agreed. I never aim at the line. i don't have such accuracy. but in serves,
it is actually pretty common for the ball to land very close or on the line.
【在 b*e 的大作中提到】
: Another thing is for your own game play. You should play aggressive high
: percentage shot. This means hit as hard as you can, swing the racquet as
: fast as you can if you still can control the ball, however, aim at least 3
: feet inside line.
:
: out
| b*e
发帖数: 3845 | 10 Correct, you should swing it no matter the ball is in or out. You need to
watch the ball, during the swing, if you're certain ball is out, call it out
. If you don't swing, and the ball (mostly topspin ball) surprisingly touch
the line, you're late and you'll lose the point.
ball.
【在 h******n 的大作中提到】
: ok so as you suggest I should not stop the swing to avoid touching the ball.
: that's what I do now.
| | | b*e
发帖数: 3845 | 11 For returning of serve, especially fast first serve, you really do not have
time to think to stop your footwork and swinging. Yes, just call it out
while you're swinging. If it's definitely out, even you call it late, it's
ok. If it's very close, you're still hesitating in your mind whether it's in
or out, just keep playing.
,
line.
【在 h******n 的大作中提到】
: agreed. I never aim at the line. i don't have such accuracy. but in serves,
: it is actually pretty common for the ball to land very close or on the line.
| b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 12 The way I treat this is focus on my game and play on. If I think it caught
the line, I would just ask if he's sure and let it that be end of it. Most
players don't try to hook you on purpose. Also you shouldn't be playing that
close to the line anyways. :)
Some players do purposely question your calls, or hook you as way of play
with your head. I recently lost a match to a player who is far less skilled
cuz of this mental game.... worst experience of my tennis life. lol
be?
【在 h******n 的大作中提到】
: when your opponent seems to be calling good balls out. what should your
: mentality be?
: try hit all later balls more inside the box? this often leads to self-
: destruction
: reciprocate on ambiguous line calls? and play as usual?
: when the opponent questions a close line call? what should your mentality be?
| h******n
发帖数: 734 | 13 regarding this Some players do purposely question your calls,
that's one thing i am trying to learn from you guys haha, i mean how to deal
with this kind of situations. recently i had a match i was questioned on a
call and he insisted replay the point and i denied. but it got into my mind
wtf. and probably should call a few shots that went out.
that
skilled
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: The way I treat this is focus on my game and play on. If I think it caught
: the line, I would just ask if he's sure and let it that be end of it. Most
: players don't try to hook you on purpose. Also you shouldn't be playing that
: close to the line anyways. :)
: Some players do purposely question your calls, or hook you as way of play
: with your head. I recently lost a match to a player who is far less skilled
: cuz of this mental game.... worst experience of my tennis life. lol
:
: be?
| b*e
发帖数: 3845 | 14 Another occasion that will get into your mind is one of the players forgot
the score. It will be a long argue before they agree the score.
deal
a
mind
【在 h******n 的大作中提到】
: regarding this Some players do purposely question your calls,
: that's one thing i am trying to learn from you guys haha, i mean how to deal
: with this kind of situations. recently i had a match i was questioned on a
: call and he insisted replay the point and i denied. but it got into my mind
: wtf. and probably should call a few shots that went out.
:
: that
: skilled
| h******n
发帖数: 734 | 15 i always announce score when i serve and ask opponent do so as well.
sometimes they don't announce score, hit a great shot and thinks the game is
over:)
【在 b*e 的大作中提到】
: Another occasion that will get into your mind is one of the players forgot
: the score. It will be a long argue before they agree the score.
:
: deal
: a
: mind
| b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 16 well, right thing is to just shut it out, but it's very difficult or
impossible for some.... base on my personal experience, my advice is improve
your tennis level because these kind crap happens a lot more at lower level
.
You did the right thing. You made a call, stuck with it and let it be end of
it. Move on and don't look back, most matches are not win or lost by that 1
point.
deal
a
mind
【在 h******n 的大作中提到】
: regarding this Some players do purposely question your calls,
: that's one thing i am trying to learn from you guys haha, i mean how to deal
: with this kind of situations. recently i had a match i was questioned on a
: call and he insisted replay the point and i denied. but it got into my mind
: wtf. and probably should call a few shots that went out.
:
: that
: skilled
| K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 17
"I need to start bad calls."
Aim more inside. Start bad call retaliation.
be?
"I am 100% sure it's out" without a blink.
【在 h******n 的大作中提到】
: when your opponent seems to be calling good balls out. what should your
: mentality be?
: try hit all later balls more inside the box? this often leads to self-
: destruction
: reciprocate on ambiguous line calls? and play as usual?
: when the opponent questions a close line call? what should your mentality be?
| K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 18 It's impossible. Call out promptly and loudly, while hitting
the ball back.
out
【在 h******n 的大作中提到】
: a more concrete question:
: I always try to hit the ball back if the ball is slightly out
: but my some opponent seems to take this as I am not sure if the ball is out
: or in.
: maybe I should let the ball go and call out without touching the ball?
| K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 19 换句话说mentality应该是“这是expected情况；没有bad line call算是
走运情况。"
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: It's impossible. Call out promptly and loudly, while hitting
: the ball back.
:
: out
| h******n
发帖数: 734 | 20 the reason I almost never question my opponent's line call is i simply can't
see these shots.
once I see the ball land in and opponent calls out, it must be super obvious
to both of us the ball is in.
with what you said: I just should be less loose in line calls.
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: 换句话说mentality应该是“这是expected情况；没有bad line call算是
: 走运情况。"
| | | K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 21
't
If u can't see, always assume the call is correct.
They are many occasions that I CAN see. Sometimes 6 inches in.
Or I can sense from opponent's tone (hesitate then "I think it's
just wide" when he is 30-40).
obvious
No, it still may not be obvious to the opponent. He is supposed to
call it in if in doubt. But he won't at 30-40.
【在 h******n 的大作中提到】
: the reason I almost never question my opponent's line call is i simply can't
: see these shots.
: once I see the ball land in and opponent calls out, it must be super obvious
: to both of us the ball is in.
: with what you said: I just should be less loose in line calls.
| K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 22 Another tip is never feel ashamed to take free bad line call points.
Sometimes my ball was 6 inches wide and opponent was like "nice shot".
I immediately feel I will win that day. In this case I may give some
points away for free, but only at non-key moments.
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
:
: 't
: If u can't see, always assume the call is correct.
: They are many occasions that I CAN see. Sometimes 6 inches in.
: Or I can sense from opponent's tone (hesitate then "I think it's
: just wide" when he is 30-40).
: obvious
: No, it still may not be obvious to the opponent. He is supposed to
: call it in if in doubt. But he won't at 30-40.
| K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 23 For more information how to do this intentionally, read:
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1977/01/the-tiddlin
Quote:
"Now then, let us turn our attention to the critical problem of calling your
opponent's shots in or out. The initial imperative is to make an outrageous
call in your opponent's favor during, if possible, the first game. Try to
pick a shot to call good that is at least four inches out. If he is such a
good sport that he disputes your call, you know you have him. Simply say you
clearly saw it good and there's no room for argument. This not only
enhances your aura of good sportsmanship, but raises questions about your
eyesight which you can turn to your advantage in the later, crucial stages
of the match. But what about the intermediate stages? Whenever possible,
attempt to get your opponent to call his own shots. For example, you are
running for a ball that lands precisely on the line you and miss it. 'Sorry,
' you say, 'I couldn't see that at all. Was it in or out?' Your opponent, of
course, saw it good, which it was. But should he say, 'It was good,' he is
in the position of calling shots in his favor on your side of the net—a
major violation of tennis ethics. As you have already established your good
sportsmanship, he will be most reluctant to be outdone in such deportment.
Therefore, the most he will generally say is, 'Well, I thought it was good,
but let's play the point over.' The first time you have him in this position
, you should reply, 'Oh, no, if you thought it was good, play it good,' and
proceed quickly to the next point. He will now feel guilty and will
henceforth hesitate to call his good shots good, insisting the point be
replayed. The second, third, and fourth times this occurs, agree after
considerable protest to replay the point. Following the fourth time the ball
lands on or near the line, having firmly established your reputation for
good sportsmanship and bad eyesight, simply call it out."
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: Another tip is never feel ashamed to take free bad line call points.
: Sometimes my ball was 6 inches wide and opponent was like "nice shot".
: I immediately feel I will win that day. In this case I may give some
: points away for free, but only at non-key moments.
| h******n
发帖数: 734 | 24 this more applies to social tennis. doesn't not happen in USTA etc.
your
outrageous
you
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: For more information how to do this intentionally, read:
: http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1977/01/the-tiddlin
: Quote:
: "Now then, let us turn our attention to the critical problem of calling your
: opponent's shots in or out. The initial imperative is to make an outrageous
: call in your opponent's favor during, if possible, the first game. Try to
: pick a shot to call good that is at least four inches out. If he is such a
: good sport that he disputes your call, you know you have him. Simply say you
: clearly saw it good and there's no room for argument. This not only
: enhances your aura of good sportsmanship, but raises questions about your
| K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 25 No it was a joke.
The author is epic. If you have time you should read the whole book.
【在 h******n 的大作中提到】
: this more applies to social tennis. doesn't not happen in USTA etc.
:
: your
: outrageous
: you
| m*e
发帖数: 1018 | 26 oh well, I just tell myself I am going to beat the s**t out of this bad
lines caller with my full strength. So far, it makes me more focus and
worked for my advantages every time:)
be?
【在 h******n 的大作中提到】
: when your opponent seems to be calling good balls out. what should your
: mentality be?
: try hit all later balls more inside the box? this often leads to self-
: destruction
: reciprocate on ambiguous line calls? and play as usual?
: when the opponent questions a close line call? what should your mentality be?
| z*****i
发帖数: 485 | 27 盯着他告诉他，I know the ball was good, but you can have the point.
心里说，I will kick your ass even without this point. | J******n
发帖数: 1466 | 28 一个教练跟我说不要练习把球打得太深，因为usta比赛的时候靠近线的球都会被call
out！
LOL | b*e
发帖数: 3845 | 29 昨天和今天usta match对手都是同一个人，昨天质疑了我两个call, 今天质疑了我一个
，都是他slice到底线附近，昨天两个球，我盯得很紧，一个有3,4 inch out, 一个有
两inch out都是我100% sure, 他还来 argue说他看到球砸在线上了。今天这球我也盯
住了，正好出了，然后他又质疑我，好像我欠他什么似的，后来我也火了，一发失误把
球砸向back fence, 向他大声嚷blah blah, 可能我的mental还不够强，他要扰乱我的
mental, 我也来扰乱他的。
【在 z*****i 的大作中提到】
: 盯着他告诉他，I know the ball was good, but you can have the point.
: 心里说，I will kick your ass even without this point.
| F******c
发帖数: 1071 | 30 这方面最好作机器人，我的程序是这样的:
1. 不率先质疑对方的call;
2. 如果对方质疑我的call, 上去沟通说：“normally, I will not question
opponent's call, but we can set the rule right here, do you want to mutually
question each other's call, or just trust each other's call and keep
playing and understand sometimes that people can make mistakes; 不要用教育的
口气，而是协商的口气，绝大部分人都能搞定；
3. 不质疑对方的call，但是要有计数器；
4. 横线基本信任对方，除非太离谱，竖线dtl要信自己，这样把对方的错call数纪录下
来，找机会平衡掉；
5. 自己这边的call，取决于计数器，如果经常只有一二，说明对方没有过分，那么只
把"not sure"的球喊out； 如果计数器一直很大，只喊"not sure"的球根本平衡不了，
那么要再作调整了，你懂得，呵呵；
6. 尽量避免出现负数，因为这套程序是比较defensive的，适合不想吃亏的老实人
【在 b*e 的大作中提到】
: 昨天和今天usta match对手都是同一个人，昨天质疑了我两个call, 今天质疑了我一个
: ，都是他slice到底线附近，昨天两个球，我盯得很紧，一个有3,4 inch out, 一个有
: 两inch out都是我100% sure, 他还来 argue说他看到球砸在线上了。今天这球我也盯
: 住了，正好出了，然后他又质疑我，好像我欠他什么似的，后来我也火了，一发失误把
: 球砸向back fence, 向他大声嚷blah blah, 可能我的mental还不够强，他要扰乱我的
: mental, 我也来扰乱他的。
| | | b*e
发帖数: 3845 | 31 学习了。
mutually
【在 F******c 的大作中提到】
: 这方面最好作机器人，我的程序是这样的:
: 1. 不率先质疑对方的call;
: 2. 如果对方质疑我的call, 上去沟通说：“normally, I will not question
: opponent's call, but we can set the rule right here, do you want to mutually
: question each other's call, or just trust each other's call and keep
: playing and understand sometimes that people can make mistakes; 不要用教育的
: 口气，而是协商的口气，绝大部分人都能搞定；
: 3. 不质疑对方的call，但是要有计数器；
: 4. 横线基本信任对方，除非太离谱，竖线dtl要信自己，这样把对方的错call数纪录下
: 来，找机会平衡掉；
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