a*m
发帖数: 6253 | 1 【 以下文字转载自 Parenting 讨论区 】
发信人: qq2006 (qq2006), 信区: Parenting
标 题: 推网球是白费工夫?
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Jul 23 22:28:50 2014, 美东)
Why Would You Want Your Kids to Play Tennis?
Posted on April 26, 2014 by Javier Palenque
Tennis parents, look at these facts and make your own calculations:
* Odds of becoming a tennis pro 2 in 10000 or 0.0002. That does not seem
possible.
* Break even for a pro is #150 or approx. $160K year. Dad how much do
you make a year?
* It takes 4-8 years to reach top 200, at a cost of $160K year that is
between $640K-$1,28M.
Mary, how much is our house worth?
* Cost to train per year approx. $12K low end by age 15, you spent
easily in 5-6 yrs. Roughly $60K.
How many mutual funds can you buy with 12K per year?
* Only 7% of top world 100 juniors will be tennis pros and only 1% will
be top 20. Top in the world, not in the USA.
Hey John, did you win state yet?
* Until you win, you need to front end all expenses, ouch! But, I only
make….
* 10,000 hrs. spent by age 18 with odds of 0.0002? 5 hrs. day for 10
years, I should learn to code…
JP article 200x300 Why Would You Want Your Kids to Play Tennis?
When one looks at the cold facts, there is absolutely no reason what so
ever to aspire to be a professional player, and the cost and investment of
time is just mind blowing. Add to this list the randomness of injuries, bad
coaching, mental factors etc. These variables and experience combined with
the real facts make the decision to pursue a pro career delusional. But,
none of those horrible stats are why I encourage both of my kids to play
tennis and to play it extremely well. I want my kids to play tennis, because
I feel that there is no other sport that will prepare them for a life where
they need to practice everyday, compete every other weekend, win and lose,
laugh and cry, become part of a team, make friends and of course exercise
daily and learn their nutrition in an obese country, and last devote their
daily life to better themselves knowing full well that there are many other
players better than them. You see, when my kids are practicing hard every
day, I on the way home, make sure to relate the practice to life in the
future, let’s say he was on fire that day working towards a big competition
, I tell my son how I’m preparing for a huge presentation at work or
pursuing a business account that we need for the business. Sometimes, also
he has to deal with a big loss. Well, at work I also have those experiences
and often have to deal with them. Their tennis experience If properly
focused will help them in the future, I assure you.
As I look forward a couple of years from now I see my kid at 15,
practicing very hard, being fit, focused, worried about how to increase the
speed of his serve, savvy with in nutritional and working extremely hard
everyday towards a goal, as opposed to other kids in his class, who with too
much time in their hands, are looking for ways to get high, getting in
trouble, out of shape, drunk and planning orgies, etc. I think tennis keeps
them, focused, determined, challenged and by the time they turn 18 ready to
be champions in life. Through tennis, I will have taught them the value of
time and how to use it. You see at 18 my kids will have learned the
principles needed to succeed in life: independence, self reliance, decision
making, hard work, balance, determination, standing up after a big fall,
disappointment and joy, they will experience the cost of winning and the
sacrifices needed to get there, they will learn from losing and having to
get up from it and understand that losing is only feedback. In essence, they
will be properly trained to succeed in their lives.
Unlike other parents, who falsely dream a pro career for their kids and
the riches tennis will bring, I use tennis to make my kids better citizens,
better sons and daughters, someday a better father and mother, better people
all around. Better Americans. While it would be great to get a scholarship
to a great school, emphasis on great academic school, not any school that
has tennis. I have to plan for that eventuality as coaches make little money
. We know that the time we spend together, the adventure of tennis made us
closer as a family, kept us working towards a common goal and made our
journey as parents and kids the most enjoyable way to spend time together,
to bond, to get better, to grow as champions, to make new friends, to travel
and stay in lousy hotels because that’s all we could afford, to play
younger and older competitors and to laugh together. To live the journey of
this experience we know as parenting and life. Wow, it seems to me that I
have found a way to prepare my kids for their professional careers and it is
not in tennis. I’ll take tennis’ horrible odds, knowing full well that
for my kids there is simply no other way I would have chosen to spend our
time together, to prepare them for when they leave our nest, to be able to
fly for themselves and be champions in their own life. I love you tennis, I
love you. Javier. ([email protected]
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; @palenquej) | a*m
发帖数: 6253 | 2 重点在最后两段哈，如果你能读完的话。。。
读不完的话，直接看最后两段吧，呵呵 | K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 3 ft, 总共只有3段。。。
【在 a*m 的大作中提到】
: 重点在最后两段哈，如果你能读完的话。。。
: 读不完的话，直接看最后两段吧，呵呵
| K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 4 haha, 最后两段居然观点和前面截然相反。Good.
【在 a*m 的大作中提到】
: 重点在最后两段哈，如果你能读完的话。。。
: 读不完的话，直接看最后两段吧，呵呵
| r*********x
发帖数: 3016 | 5 一句话总结：网球运动反人类。
seem
【在 a*m 的大作中提到】
: 【 以下文字转载自 Parenting 讨论区 】
: 发信人: qq2006 (qq2006), 信区: Parenting
: 标 题: 推网球是白费工夫?
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Jul 23 22:28:50 2014, 美东)
: Why Would You Want Your Kids to Play Tennis?
: Posted on April 26, 2014 by Javier Palenque
: Tennis parents, look at these facts and make your own calculations:
: * Odds of becoming a tennis pro 2 in 10000 or 0.0002. That does not seem
: possible.
: * Break even for a pro is #150 or approx. $160K year. Dad how much do
| f*****n
发帖数: 18176 | | n**u
发帖数: 768 | 7 This father is a winner.
seem
【在 a*m 的大作中提到】
: 重点在最后两段哈，如果你能读完的话。。。
: 读不完的话，直接看最后两段吧，呵呵
| z*****k
发帖数: 600 | 8 Techniques, mental skills, win ugly 都要会玩. Tennis是块教学模板
seem
【在 a*m 的大作中提到】
: 重点在最后两段哈，如果你能读完的话。。。
: 读不完的话，直接看最后两段吧，呵呵
| J*****o
发帖数: 1129 | 9 讲得太好了。回头给儿子看，希望他能对老子的良苦用心多少敬仰一下。 | N*****7
发帖数: 1899 | 10 这个家长把网球神话了。
I use tennis to make my kids better citizens,
better sons and daughters, someday a better father and mother, better people
all around. Better Americans.
We know that the time we spend together, the adventure of tennis made us
closer as a family, kept us working towards a common goal and made our
journey as parents and kids the most enjoyable way to spend time together,
to bond, to get better, to grow as champions, to make new friends, to travel
and stay in lousy hotels because that’s all we could afford, to play
younger and older competitors and to laugh together.
网球训练对意志修养啥不会有什么太大影响， 只是他的孩
子恰好into it。 Good for him.
turning pro 比例固然难， 比例这么低的另一个原因很多有潜能的小孩 dropout pro
training， 大学毕业正常工作. 实际比例没有这么低。 | | | R**********2
发帖数: 179 | 11 那是因为你没打高水平的网球，网球对孩子的噫志太考验了，还有当你的对手打出一个
很好的shot, 你还能为对手鼓掌，说一声：good shot, man. 而不是一个大拳挥过去。
我儿子十四岁，在比分很紧，非常想赢的情况下， 还能说good shot, 真是有绅士的风
度。
people
travel
【在 N*****7 的大作中提到】
: 这个家长把网球神话了。
: I use tennis to make my kids better citizens,
: better sons and daughters, someday a better father and mother, better people
: all around. Better Americans.
: We know that the time we spend together, the adventure of tennis made us
: closer as a family, kept us working towards a common goal and made our
: journey as parents and kids the most enjoyable way to spend time together,
: to bond, to get better, to grow as champions, to make new friends, to travel
: and stay in lousy hotels because that’s all we could afford, to play
: younger and older competitors and to laugh together.
| N*****7
发帖数: 1899 | 12 网球是可以锻炼很多，但是别的什么活动也可以做到。 每个人的兴奋点会不同。
没必要太崇拜听着象唯一选择一样。
世上事远处看大都没有什么唯一的选择。
除了提升自己， 网球也可以败坏不是么。 比如这网帮上的周期性吵架的，
比不打网球的是更有绅士的风度？ 还是没打高水平的网球 没学到绅士的风度?
我看是网球的错。
去。
【在 R**********2 的大作中提到】
: 那是因为你没打高水平的网球，网球对孩子的噫志太考验了，还有当你的对手打出一个
: 很好的shot, 你还能为对手鼓掌，说一声：good shot, man. 而不是一个大拳挥过去。
: 我儿子十四岁，在比分很紧，非常想赢的情况下， 还能说good shot, 真是有绅士的风
: 度。
:
: people
: travel
| m****n
发帖数: 1066 | | a*m
发帖数: 6253 | 14 Hehe, 你多参与高水平的训练和比赛，就会觉得还是有很大影响的。。。
我妈知道我在45度大太阳底下的水泥地上打好几个小时比赛，觉得那不是她以前的儿子
，呵呵
【在 N*****7 的大作中提到】
: 网球是可以锻炼很多，但是别的什么活动也可以做到。 每个人的兴奋点会不同。
: 没必要太崇拜听着象唯一选择一样。
: 世上事远处看大都没有什么唯一的选择。
: 除了提升自己， 网球也可以败坏不是么。 比如这网帮上的周期性吵架的，
: 比不打网球的是更有绅士的风度？ 还是没打高水平的网球 没学到绅士的风度?
: 我看是网球的错。
:
: 去。
| a*m
发帖数: 6253 | 15 兄弟你太执着了， 这篇文章就是个知音体，只是重点在谈网球而已
- 这就是个网球迷写的文章。
- 看完了如果有“网球是唯一选择”的感觉，呵呵，你要提高阅读理解能力。
你要黑任何东西，都可以有无数方法。 但是黑从一开始真的就不是一个好选择，呵呵。
转过来其实是为了让望子成龙的看看前面一段数据，然后体会一下作者的心态。
【在 N*****7 的大作中提到】
: 网球是可以锻炼很多，但是别的什么活动也可以做到。 每个人的兴奋点会不同。
: 没必要太崇拜听着象唯一选择一样。
: 世上事远处看大都没有什么唯一的选择。
: 除了提升自己， 网球也可以败坏不是么。 比如这网帮上的周期性吵架的，
: 比不打网球的是更有绅士的风度？ 还是没打高水平的网球 没学到绅士的风度?
: 我看是网球的错。
:
: 去。
| N*****7
发帖数: 1899 | 16 没有要黑什么 -- 其实黑这里到底什么意思 呵呵。
看到有人评论读过觉得不同意一些观点说说，交流看法。
想想作者说的 discipline training， focus 方面的问题也是
对日常生活重要的。
网球是很好适合一般WSN的活动；
活动到平时WSN久坐不用的core muscle。
呵。
【在 a*m 的大作中提到】
: 兄弟你太执着了， 这篇文章就是个知音体，只是重点在谈网球而已
: - 这就是个网球迷写的文章。
: - 看完了如果有“网球是唯一选择”的感觉，呵呵，你要提高阅读理解能力。
: 你要黑任何东西，都可以有无数方法。 但是黑从一开始真的就不是一个好选择，呵呵。
: 转过来其实是为了让望子成龙的看看前面一段数据，然后体会一下作者的心态。
| s***e
发帖数: 7166 | 17 其实职业/半职业网球性价比应该不是PRO的奖金这么简单。
比如有多大比例的人可以达到大学减免学费的地步，有人统计么？
【在 N*****7 的大作中提到】
: 没有要黑什么 -- 其实黑这里到底什么意思 呵呵。
: 看到有人评论读过觉得不同意一些观点说说，交流看法。
: 想想作者说的 discipline training， focus 方面的问题也是
: 对日常生活重要的。
: 网球是很好适合一般WSN的活动；
: 活动到平时WSN久坐不用的core muscle。
:
: 呵。
| f*****n
发帖数: 18176 | 18 对我而言,下班回家吃完饭,要么我没心情同娃讲,要么娃忙各种功课。
周末教娃打.球游泳就变成了重要的交流手段,教球时顺便加点其他料.顺便考验训练一
下意志力.很好。
成不成pro,拿不拿奖学金根本不在我考虑之列.至少最近五年不会想。 | f*****n
发帖数: 18176 | 19 目前球场上还很听我的,游泳池里有点压不住阵角了 | R**********2
发帖数: 179 | 20 木有统计，认识的男孩基本上有奖学金上大学。
如果孩子真的爱打，家长就没啥说的了，也不用being calculated, go for it.
【在 s***e 的大作中提到】
: 其实职业/半职业网球性价比应该不是PRO的奖金这么简单。
: 比如有多大比例的人可以达到大学减免学费的地步，有人统计么？
| | | r*****u
发帖数: 169 | 21 去tournament，看见8岁的孩子孤独地站在场上，输了一分，回头含着泪看着远处的父
母，父母竖起大拇指：you can do it!
这个玩意没有队友，没人帮忙，小小年纪一个人学着体会失败，这个比其它体育运动都
强。 | n**u
发帖数: 768 | 22 肯定是推爸，儿子national估计都有名次吧。 男孩不容易，奖学金少。 女孩容易多了。
【在 R**********2 的大作中提到】
: 木有统计，认识的男孩基本上有奖学金上大学。
: 如果孩子真的爱打，家长就没啥说的了，也不用being calculated, go for it.
| M******0
发帖数: 1280 | 23 到不光是网球，个人认为对于小孩的意志的锻炼，individual sports 远胜过team
sports. Tough, tough, tough,.....
【在 r*****u 的大作中提到】
: 去tournament，看见8岁的孩子孤独地站在场上，输了一分，回头含着泪看着远处的父
: 母，父母竖起大拇指：you can do it!
: 这个玩意没有队友，没人帮忙，小小年纪一个人学着体会失败，这个比其它体育运动都
: 强。
| N*****7
发帖数: 1899 | 24 网球比赛对人的竞争性的挑战的频率是论秒分钟和小时。
社会中的竞争性的挑战的频率是年和月。 我是指一般人上班家庭的各种压力，
how to cope with changes,
remain on top of profession and business。
不太合拍呀。
你会说， 网球比赛的竞争 -- 因为要赢 -- 会正面改变很多。
要求你去改变你的饮食，心态平衡 （像文中说的)。 要求你选择教练， 选择打法，
work with many peoples， to walk to a long-term goal, then life,
这个改变是经年累月的。人格完善， 会支持你人生的任何选择。
这应该会吧。那样的话能够走的方式很多。
转念想我是不是对知音体很过敏， 让我想想是为啥。。 | P**********e
发帖数: 739 | 25 re，其实很多运动都能锻炼孩子的各种品质和身体素质，我不觉得有那种运动在这个方
面是独一无二的，当然除了那些诸如橄榄球那些会把脑子打坏的运动
people
travel
【在 N*****7 的大作中提到】
: 这个家长把网球神话了。
: I use tennis to make my kids better citizens,
: better sons and daughters, someday a better father and mother, better people
: all around. Better Americans.
: We know that the time we spend together, the adventure of tennis made us
: closer as a family, kept us working towards a common goal and made our
: journey as parents and kids the most enjoyable way to spend time together,
: to bond, to get better, to grow as champions, to make new friends, to travel
: and stay in lousy hotels because that’s all we could afford, to play
: younger and older competitors and to laugh together.
| N*****7
发帖数: 1899 | 26 橄榄球不知道。。 要不转到橄榄球版问问是不是会把脑子打坏 lol， just kidding
WSN打网球是很好哈， 时间不用太多， 方便
【在 P**********e 的大作中提到】
: re，其实很多运动都能锻炼孩子的各种品质和身体素质，我不觉得有那种运动在这个方
: 面是独一无二的，当然除了那些诸如橄榄球那些会把脑子打坏的运动
:
: people
: travel
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