w***e
发帖数: 27 | 1 喜欢这样的小德，头脑冷静，动作精准，从不让人失望。总是知道在何种情况下找到解
决问题的有效办法，非其他top 4 所能及。头脑是小德最强大的武器。我07年看过他美
网的现场，那时刚满20岁的小德在现场十分聪明，动作灵活迅速，从此我就从费粉彻底
转为德迷，永远支持小德！
他不仅英语讲得好，法语也很厉害。不仅流利，关键是讲话的内容有趣，得体，内容丰
富。这点也实在太有魅力了。No.1 应该很快就会回来的。 |
t*******i
发帖数: 78 | 2 同感.
【在 w***e 的大作中提到】
: 喜欢这样的小德，头脑冷静，动作精准，从不让人失望。总是知道在何种情况下找到解
: 决问题的有效办法，非其他top 4 所能及。头脑是小德最强大的武器。我07年看过他美
: 网的现场，那时刚满20岁的小德在现场十分聪明，动作灵活迅速，从此我就从费粉彻底
: 转为德迷，永远支持小德！
: 他不仅英语讲得好，法语也很厉害。不仅流利，关键是讲话的内容有趣，得体，内容丰
: 富。这点也实在太有魅力了。No.1 应该很快就会回来的。
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O*********r
发帖数: 1835 | 3 可是他为何人气比菲菲，豆子底好几个量级，甚至连穆雷都不如。 |
w******n
发帖数: 13172 | 4 1. 年龄小，辈分低，出成绩晚，被前两座大山压了很久
2. 东欧人，不受西方人待见。尤其他老是替自己祖国说话。要知道Serbia在西方眼里
是个“流氓国家”
3. 长的既不够高贵也不够街头。。。
【在 O*********r 的大作中提到】
: 可是他为何人气比菲菲，豆子底好几个量级，甚至连穆雷都不如。
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c*****s
发帖数: 2146 | 5 小德人气有这么差？
【在 O*********r 的大作中提到】
: 可是他为何人气比菲菲，豆子底好几个量级，甚至连穆雷都不如。
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w***e
发帖数: 27 | 6 似乎喜欢他的的确比那两位少些，就我周围的同事们认为小德太高傲，似乎认为他很高
调，所以他们觉得菲菲更classic一些。还有好多老印就是喜欢豆儿，我猜可能他们更
喜欢他那种纯体力的风格。不过我是完全不喜欢那么功力的，一切以赢球为出发点的竞
技动机和风格的，尤其是想到他居然为了增加赢率儿故意变成左撇子，抱歉，我觉得这
种思路从一开始就不够纯粹，所以他无论怎么努力，也成不了菲菲，因为缺少了一颗对
网球这项运动的纯真的心。而且搞闭关修炼等等，就冲着法网 美网去，实在太功力了
。就算他得了好多大满贯头衔，可是法网就占了绝大部分，所以我不粉他。纯粹是个人
观点，豆粉请勿拍砖。 |
b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 7 I like Nole cuz his game is very "ordinary", I feel as WSN can hit the
stroke he hits. Fed is classy, but his talent is so out of reach I can only
awe his greatness from the stand; Nadal's game looks too physical, and
although he can pull off many mesmerizing shots, I think his strokes is butt
ugly;
Although WSN can never match up to Nole's physical neither, nor could WSN
master his text booked groundies, I still feel in some ways, it is easier to
make the connection to the Joker than to the King or the Bull...
As for the arrogance, I think he was arrogant before he rose to the top, but
in a sense that's what you have to believe, you have to carry such swagger
going into the match against arguably 2 best tennis players in history. If
he didn't have that arrogance, maybe he would never have risen to the top...
(his arrogance --> talk big w/out much achievement; now he has tone down
quiet a bit, cuz he has proven already)
all personal opinion.
【在 w***e 的大作中提到】
: 似乎喜欢他的的确比那两位少些，就我周围的同事们认为小德太高傲，似乎认为他很高
: 调，所以他们觉得菲菲更classic一些。还有好多老印就是喜欢豆儿，我猜可能他们更
: 喜欢他那种纯体力的风格。不过我是完全不喜欢那么功力的，一切以赢球为出发点的竞
: 技动机和风格的，尤其是想到他居然为了增加赢率儿故意变成左撇子，抱歉，我觉得这
: 种思路从一开始就不够纯粹，所以他无论怎么努力，也成不了菲菲，因为缺少了一颗对
: 网球这项运动的纯真的心。而且搞闭关修炼等等，就冲着法网 美网去，实在太功力了
: 。就算他得了好多大满贯头衔，可是法网就占了绝大部分，所以我不粉他。纯粹是个人
: 观点，豆粉请勿拍砖。
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 8 Nole's stroke didn't put him to No.1. He had the same stroke since 5 years
ago.
It's Nole's flexibility + stamina combination, which also derived his
outstanding defensive skills, that made the difference. Stiff and weak
WSNs have neither.
only
butt
to
but
swagger
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: I like Nole cuz his game is very "ordinary", I feel as WSN can hit the
: stroke he hits. Fed is classy, but his talent is so out of reach I can only
: awe his greatness from the stand; Nadal's game looks too physical, and
: although he can pull off many mesmerizing shots, I think his strokes is butt
: ugly;
: Although WSN can never match up to Nole's physical neither, nor could WSN
: master his text booked groundies, I still feel in some ways, it is easier to
: make the connection to the Joker than to the King or the Bull...
: As for the arrogance, I think he was arrogant before he rose to the top, but
: in a sense that's what you have to believe, you have to carry such swagger
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b**********s
发帖数: 9531 | 9 in fact among top players, none of them make themselves distinguished just
by stokes. fed's biggest advantage is his instinct, speed of movement; nadal
has strength; nole practise yoga that makes him more flexible.
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: Nole's stroke didn't put him to No.1. He had the same stroke since 5 years
: ago.
: It's Nole's flexibility + stamina combination, which also derived his
: outstanding defensive skills, that made the difference. Stiff and weak
: WSNs have neither.
:
: only
: butt
: to
: but
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w*****7
发帖数: 31 | 10 re 我认为我神就是被他的那个叔叔调教好的打球机器
【在 w***e 的大作中提到】
: 似乎喜欢他的的确比那两位少些，就我周围的同事们认为小德太高傲，似乎认为他很高
: 调，所以他们觉得菲菲更classic一些。还有好多老印就是喜欢豆儿，我猜可能他们更
: 喜欢他那种纯体力的风格。不过我是完全不喜欢那么功力的，一切以赢球为出发点的竞
: 技动机和风格的，尤其是想到他居然为了增加赢率儿故意变成左撇子，抱歉，我觉得这
: 种思路从一开始就不够纯粹，所以他无论怎么努力，也成不了菲菲，因为缺少了一颗对
: 网球这项运动的纯真的心。而且搞闭关修炼等等，就冲着法网 美网去，实在太功力了
: 。就算他得了好多大满贯头衔，可是法网就占了绝大部分，所以我不粉他。纯粹是个人
: 观点，豆粉请勿拍砖。
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s***i
发帖数: 6149 | 11 左手持拍就这么华丽的被德粉"妖魔"化了，甚至上升到了功利的高度，抱歉，我觉得这
种思路特别的二。纳豆从七连败到3连胜，到大满贯两败小德，他一直在反思进步，琢
磨如何击败小德，我很欣赏这种精神。FF一见纳豆就自动跪了，我猜他根本没有进取心
，因此他完全没可能成为无可争议的GOAT。我相信纳豆的努力不是为了成为自己的手下
败将，希望你不要担心，:-). 至于老印喜欢纳豆是因为纯体力，豆粉就一笑而过了，
卢瑟就是矫情。纯粹是个人观点，德粉奶粉轻拍。
【在 w***e 的大作中提到】
: 似乎喜欢他的的确比那两位少些，就我周围的同事们认为小德太高傲，似乎认为他很高
: 调，所以他们觉得菲菲更classic一些。还有好多老印就是喜欢豆儿，我猜可能他们更
: 喜欢他那种纯体力的风格。不过我是完全不喜欢那么功力的，一切以赢球为出发点的竞
: 技动机和风格的，尤其是想到他居然为了增加赢率儿故意变成左撇子，抱歉，我觉得这
: 种思路从一开始就不够纯粹，所以他无论怎么努力，也成不了菲菲，因为缺少了一颗对
: 网球这项运动的纯真的心。而且搞闭关修炼等等，就冲着法网 美网去，实在太功力了
: 。就算他得了好多大满贯头衔，可是法网就占了绝大部分，所以我不粉他。纯粹是个人
: 观点，豆粉请勿拍砖。
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 12 Yes, many things contributed to Nole rising to the top, nose surgery, gluten
-free diet, improved stamina, yoga, $70k training/recovery machine etc., but
none of it affect my feel of connection to his strokes. I like Nole not
because he's number one (or #2 atm), but because his "ordinary" strokes. It'
s the same reason I like David Goffin (too bad he doesn't carry the same "
arrogance" Nole once carried, so he might never break into the echelon)
Aside from that, I still think mental play the most important role to get to
the top. A strong mental does require the backing of uber fitness, however,
a superb fitness does not yield impeccable mentality. Seems Nole always
believed that he belong to the top. What he believes is the confidence,
others view it as arrogance...
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: Nole's stroke didn't put him to No.1. He had the same stroke since 5 years
: ago.
: It's Nole's flexibility + stamina combination, which also derived his
: outstanding defensive skills, that made the difference. Stiff and weak
: WSNs have neither.
:
: only
: butt
: to
: but
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 13 认同纳豆在不段的努力，他的正手，发球，接发，网前等等，是我看到改变最多的职业
选手。。。（well... maybe Gulbis' forehand change can top all that lol)
我认为你所说的“FF一见纳豆就自动跪了，我猜他根本没有进取心”和“左手持拍就这
么华丽的被德粉"妖魔"化了”是同样性质。 Big 4 人人都在不断的努力，练习。 FF
在Dubai train, 不是为了哪儿的海滩吧。。。 让FF完全为了击败纳豆而改变自己的打
法不现实。 换一个角度来说， 纳豆是big 4里technical 问题最多的一个， 所以这方
面改变也最大。 (he makes it up through his guts, physical strength, mental
determination... very admirable)
【在 s***i 的大作中提到】
: 左手持拍就这么华丽的被德粉"妖魔"化了，甚至上升到了功利的高度，抱歉，我觉得这
: 种思路特别的二。纳豆从七连败到3连胜，到大满贯两败小德，他一直在反思进步，琢
: 磨如何击败小德，我很欣赏这种精神。FF一见纳豆就自动跪了，我猜他根本没有进取心
: ，因此他完全没可能成为无可争议的GOAT。我相信纳豆的努力不是为了成为自己的手下
: 败将，希望你不要担心，:-). 至于老印喜欢纳豆是因为纯体力，豆粉就一笑而过了，
: 卢瑟就是矫情。纯粹是个人观点，德粉奶粉轻拍。
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s***i
发帖数: 6149 | 14
sure, i was merely making a point. nonsense will be greeted by nonsense.(
thou i believe what i said makes some sense)
Big 4 人人都在不断的努力，练习。 FF
your claim is based on your subjective opinion that nadal's form is 'butt
ugly', which i don't agree. people put a excessive emphasis on nadal's
physical fitness and tend to prematurely consider it the major factor that
contributed to his success. nadal has 8 career doubles titles, same as
federer, way more than djokovic and murray. if he's the most vulnerable in
terms of 'technical problems', then naturally it will be easiest to be
exploited by his opponents in doubles game compared to the other top 3 since
the physical fitness demanded in doubles is minimum. As you can see, that's
not the case. numbers are not subjective. john mcenroe once said "right now
, nadal is a better volleyer than federer", i am sure federer fans will
strongly disagree, lol. i won't go that far, but be careful when you say
nadal has the most technical problems among the top 4.
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: 认同纳豆在不段的努力，他的正手，发球，接发，网前等等，是我看到改变最多的职业
: 选手。。。（well... maybe Gulbis' forehand change can top all that lol)
: 我认为你所说的“FF一见纳豆就自动跪了，我猜他根本没有进取心”和“左手持拍就这
: 么华丽的被德粉"妖魔"化了”是同样性质。 Big 4 人人都在不断的努力，练习。 FF
: 在Dubai train, 不是为了哪儿的海滩吧。。。 让FF完全为了击败纳豆而改变自己的打
: 法不现实。 换一个角度来说， 纳豆是big 4里technical 问题最多的一个， 所以这方
: 面改变也最大。 (he makes it up through his guts, physical strength, mental
: determination... very admirable)
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 15 Here is one thing I feel you and I are not on the same ground. "technical
problems" does not yield to loss directly. Thus many WSN who has better
stroke lose to the ugly pushers.
Some of these problems might be inherited from childhood. Do the pros know
some of these glitches? I think so, but because they have been doing it
almost all their life (they are good at what they do, and good at masking it
with other parts of their game), and nature of their career (time, money
etc.), they can't afford to make drastic changes. Will the fix raise their
ceiling? Absolutely, thus all 4 are always tuning their game. It is a very
precise balance act.
My claim is not base on subjective even though "butt ugly" is just my
opinion. My claim is base on, Nadal's often caught to have late contact, his
shot is often off balance. He can still make a really good shot with it
because his physical strength. If you look at his strokes (other than BH),
he has made most change among the Big 4. One reason is he wants to be better
, the other is he has most room to improve in those departments.
As for the volleys, I never thought Federer's volley is that great, so I'm
not surprised that Johny Mac made such statement.
since
【在 s***i 的大作中提到】
:
: sure, i was merely making a point. nonsense will be greeted by nonsense.(
: thou i believe what i said makes some sense)
: Big 4 人人都在不断的努力，练习。 FF
: your claim is based on your subjective opinion that nadal's form is 'butt
: ugly', which i don't agree. people put a excessive emphasis on nadal's
: physical fitness and tend to prematurely consider it the major factor that
: contributed to his success. nadal has 8 career doubles titles, same as
: federer, way more than djokovic and murray. if he's the most vulnerable in
: terms of 'technical problems', then naturally it will be easiest to be
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U******u
发帖数: 5829 | 16 哈哈，黑导，我还是说，你来得晚，新警察，不知网版历史。
这个刚提到４。０的爆发户费黑是和另一个臭名昭著的豆黑ＩＤ同类项的两个对应多年
了。
一个是见了就要说豆子不好和恶心他的，另一个必然跳出来换豆子为ＦＦ而已。那个家
伙除了恶心，并不打球，每到ＧＳ赛季就冒头。这个呢？从３。０开始啃俺老人家，现
在爆发户到４。０了，更有资格啃了，而且，和弯曲一帮一样，在啃俺“买弄”“显摆
”的同时，有意无意不经意地在显摆着他们自己－－比我要强，能灭了我，比我提高得
快。。。。。不啦不啦。。。。。。
你要看过以前他和那个恶心得豆黑之间如何相互口水的，你就没兴趣认真和他探讨了。
他不是不懂球的家伙，只是个变态的豆粉Ｆ黑，和那个变态的Ｆ粉豆黑是黑白二无常而
已。。。。。。。
和他这样得认真，没必要。
know
it
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: Here is one thing I feel you and I are not on the same ground. "technical
: problems" does not yield to loss directly. Thus many WSN who has better
: stroke lose to the ugly pushers.
: Some of these problems might be inherited from childhood. Do the pros know
: some of these glitches? I think so, but because they have been doing it
: almost all their life (they are good at what they do, and good at masking it
: with other parts of their game), and nature of their career (time, money
: etc.), they can't afford to make drastic changes. Will the fix raise their
: ceiling? Absolutely, thus all 4 are always tuning their game. It is a very
: precise balance act.
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s***i
发帖数: 6149 | 17
Did I try to argue with you with nadal's singles stats? for which i don't
really have to say anything since he has pretty much winning records against
anybody. I am a pusher (BTW, not a WSN, maybe you are since you like the
word so much), i can beat a lot of guys who have much better forms and
strokes. But i suck in doubles to the point that i don't even want to play.
so if people tell me that you have a technical problem, i will one hundred
percent agree.
you are avoiding the fact that nadal has a very
good career doubles records thus you are ignoring the fact that nadal has
much better overall skills than you think.
technical problems does not yield to loss directly? then they should not be
considered problems. it's just one of many ways tennis can be played. the
definition of text book forehand evolve over the years along with the
technology improvement to the gears, western grip will be considered
technical problems 30 years ago but now they are de facto grips for maybe 60
% or more of pros. You can't just say you like ff's form or djokovic's form
and compared to them, nadal has a problem.
know
it
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: Here is one thing I feel you and I are not on the same ground. "technical
: problems" does not yield to loss directly. Thus many WSN who has better
: stroke lose to the ugly pushers.
: Some of these problems might be inherited from childhood. Do the pros know
: some of these glitches? I think so, but because they have been doing it
: almost all their life (they are good at what they do, and good at masking it
: with other parts of their game), and nature of their career (time, money
: etc.), they can't afford to make drastic changes. Will the fix raise their
: ceiling? Absolutely, thus all 4 are always tuning their game. It is a very
: precise balance act.
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s***i
发帖数: 6149 | 18 偶现在不肯你了，因为看到您在网版的境遇很凄惨，看到任何人被群殴偶都很难过。希
望您能早日找到inner peace.
【在 U******u 的大作中提到】
: 哈哈，黑导，我还是说，你来得晚，新警察，不知网版历史。
: 这个刚提到４。０的爆发户费黑是和另一个臭名昭著的豆黑ＩＤ同类项的两个对应多年
: 了。
: 一个是见了就要说豆子不好和恶心他的，另一个必然跳出来换豆子为ＦＦ而已。那个家
: 伙除了恶心，并不打球，每到ＧＳ赛季就冒头。这个呢？从３。０开始啃俺老人家，现
: 在爆发户到４。０了，更有资格啃了，而且，和弯曲一帮一样，在啃俺“买弄”“显摆
: ”的同时，有意无意不经意地在显摆着他们自己－－比我要强，能灭了我，比我提高得
: 快。。。。。不啦不啦。。。。。。
: 你要看过以前他和那个恶心得豆黑之间如何相互口水的，你就没兴趣认真和他探讨了。
: 他不是不懂球的家伙，只是个变态的豆粉Ｆ黑，和那个变态的Ｆ粉豆黑是黑白二无常而
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 19 First let me apologize if you felt that i labeled you WSN and offended by
that. To me, WSN = ppl play at recreational level. Btw, you can call me
whatever you prefer, I won't be offended. =)
You do have a point that anything "objective" could be argued into "
subjective". I view early prep, balance stance, smooth weight transfer, full
finish as basis of objectively judge of technique, but ultimately it's just
my way of viewing, and viewing could be a subjective matter. If you feel
hitting off the back leg, with falling balance, inverse forehand as the
future tennis for proper technique, sure, Nadal has no technique issue. You
have your subjective view, and i have mine. Let's just leave it at that.
I really don't see the reason to bring up the winning stats into an debate
regarding a technical form. There are many other facts plays the role of
winning, mental toughness, physical fitness, proper game plan, perfect
execution, the guts to take certain risk, luck etc. Technique is important,
but at that level, it does not play a major part. And a technical glitch
could be few cm turn etc.
against
.
be
【在 s***i 的大作中提到】
: 偶现在不肯你了，因为看到您在网版的境遇很凄惨，看到任何人被群殴偶都很难过。希
: 望您能早日找到inner peace.
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U******u
发帖数: 5829 | 20 呵呵，你也算有眼无珠的那班宵小们之一嘛，我老刀从小就好一对二一对多的单打独斗
对群殴，惯了，所以，网掐也一样，快２０年了，我开始网掐时，你还留鼻涕呢，不是？
我得那些老网友球友们也曾劝我别斗气，其实，先帝得话：与人斗，其乐无穷啊，呵呵。
我跟那些老友们交代再三，千万别趟俺的浑水，俺这糙人单打独斗掐惯了，不愿和从不
让任何朋友介入的。
冷清凄惨，？俺不是说了，宁可水至清无鱼，不会和尔等垃圾们鱼龙混杂。何况“搞玩
”正经脸的假公济私封了俺，靠尔等口水货们，网版ＧＰＤ如大陆股市直线跳水啊，呵呵
【在 s***i 的大作中提到】
: 偶现在不肯你了，因为看到您在网版的境遇很凄惨，看到任何人被群殴偶都很难过。希
: 望您能早日找到inner peace.
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 21 “和他这样得认真，没必要”
无所谓了， LD对网球不感兴趣， 我现在一个人带娃打球时间少，和娃聊网球，他只会
呵呵几声，太无趣。 借此机会发泄下感受而已。
【在 U******u 的大作中提到】
: 哈哈，黑导，我还是说，你来得晚，新警察，不知网版历史。
: 这个刚提到４。０的爆发户费黑是和另一个臭名昭著的豆黑ＩＤ同类项的两个对应多年
: 了。
: 一个是见了就要说豆子不好和恶心他的，另一个必然跳出来换豆子为ＦＦ而已。那个家
: 伙除了恶心，并不打球，每到ＧＳ赛季就冒头。这个呢？从３。０开始啃俺老人家，现
: 在爆发户到４。０了，更有资格啃了，而且，和弯曲一帮一样，在啃俺“买弄”“显摆
: ”的同时，有意无意不经意地在显摆着他们自己－－比我要强，能灭了我，比我提高得
: 快。。。。。不啦不啦。。。。。。
: 你要看过以前他和那个恶心得豆黑之间如何相互口水的，你就没兴趣认真和他探讨了。
: 他不是不懂球的家伙，只是个变态的豆粉Ｆ黑，和那个变态的Ｆ粉豆黑是黑白二无常而
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U******u
发帖数: 5829 | 22
哈哈，明白了，跟俺老没球打，闲得手痒蛋痛就要找人网掐是一个路数，只不过，俺糙
让人嫌，你呢，文雅理性学术探讨。。。。。。。呵呵
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: “和他这样得认真，没必要”
: 无所谓了， LD对网球不感兴趣， 我现在一个人带娃打球时间少，和娃聊网球，他只会
: 呵呵几声，太无趣。 借此机会发泄下感受而已。
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s***i
发帖数: 6149 | 23 we are good.
i agree it's matter of perspective. for example, footwork in my book is one
of the most important technique in modern tennis, and i think nadal has the
best footwork on tour. apparently this is missing from your 'viewing'.
full
just
You
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: First let me apologize if you felt that i labeled you WSN and offended by
: that. To me, WSN = ppl play at recreational level. Btw, you can call me
: whatever you prefer, I won't be offended. =)
: You do have a point that anything "objective" could be argued into "
: subjective". I view early prep, balance stance, smooth weight transfer, full
: finish as basis of objectively judge of technique, but ultimately it's just
: my way of viewing, and viewing could be a subjective matter. If you feel
: hitting off the back leg, with falling balance, inverse forehand as the
: future tennis for proper technique, sure, Nadal has no technique issue. You
: have your subjective view, and i have mine. Let's just leave it at that.
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 24 that I agree, he does has one of the best footwork, but is it that obvious
his footwork is better than the others big 4? BTW I don't qualify faster as
the bench mark for footwork. Many recreational players are super fast, but
they don't have footwork... I used to be one of them, i might still be one,
but at least I know that now...
one
the
【在 s***i 的大作中提到】
: we are good.
: i agree it's matter of perspective. for example, footwork in my book is one
: of the most important technique in modern tennis, and i think nadal has the
: best footwork on tour. apparently this is missing from your 'viewing'.
:
: full
: just
: You
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w*****7
发帖数: 31 | 25 当然不是 至少和他的成就是对等的 那些只不过是某粉在酸罢了 而你楼上德粉竟然还
在好脾气的解释 如果换做有人在酸我神 那些内心极其平静的某粉一定会往死里咬你
顺便再把其他TOP4黑一遍 本楼就有例子 所以说每次见到某粉药不能停的言论时候 我
就会高贵冷艳的用翻译腔嘟囔一句“天哪，幸亏世界上这样的人是少数” o(╯□╰)o
【在 c*****s 的大作中提到】
: 小德人气有这么差？
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U******u
发帖数: 5829 | 26 嗯，确实，当看到“搞玩脸”得一本正经念佛得样子，确实很让人产生喜庆感的，家乡
老农民的土糙话叫：半掩门的提裤－－－－？？？
【在 w*****7 的大作中提到】
: 当然不是 至少和他的成就是对等的 那些只不过是某粉在酸罢了 而你楼上德粉竟然还
: 在好脾气的解释 如果换做有人在酸我神 那些内心极其平静的某粉一定会往死里咬你
: 顺便再把其他TOP4黑一遍 本楼就有例子 所以说每次见到某粉药不能停的言论时候 我
: 就会高贵冷艳的用翻译腔嘟囔一句“天哪，幸亏世界上这样的人是少数” o(╯□╰)o
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s***i
发帖数: 6149 | 27 人家笑得自己都觉得莫名其妙，偷偷删掉了，你偏要接下茬儿翻出来。老刀，您今天是
热脸，不是什么XX脸，但是尽贴冷屁股了
【在 U******u 的大作中提到】
: 嗯，确实，当看到“搞玩脸”得一本正经念佛得样子，确实很让人产生喜庆感的，家乡
: 老农民的土糙话叫：半掩门的提裤－－－－？？？
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 28 "半掩门的提裤－－－－？？？"
I don't get this one... if no profanity involve, please explain... my guess
would be "pee half way"? lol
【在 U******u 的大作中提到】
: 嗯，确实，当看到“搞玩脸”得一本正经念佛得样子，确实很让人产生喜庆感的，家乡
: 老农民的土糙话叫：半掩门的提裤－－－－？？？
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U******u
发帖数: 5829 | 29 嗯，老农民的土话，比较文学和通俗的翻译或转化就是那个:“要当。。。又要立。。
。。。的成语.
你懂的。。。。。。呵呵
guess
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: "半掩门的提裤－－－－？？？"
: I don't get this one... if no profanity involve, please explain... my guess
: would be "pee half way"? lol
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s***i
发帖数: 6149 | 30 说起来真是害了您，偶都忘记说什么了，不想让你如此刻骨铭心，变成了你的专有名词
，逢人必用。不知道心理学上对此是如何解释的，可能跟童年阴影是一脉的
偶对不起您，以后争取多传播点正能量给您
【在 U******u 的大作中提到】
: 嗯，确实，当看到“搞玩脸”得一本正经念佛得样子，确实很让人产生喜庆感的，家乡
: 老农民的土糙话叫：半掩门的提裤－－－－？？？
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U******u
发帖数: 5829 | 31 您有遗传得痴呆症？才这点大就开始犯了？天可怜见的。
那就算了，大人不记小人过，何况是个遗传了痴呆症得病人？
【在 s***i 的大作中提到】
: 说起来真是害了您，偶都忘记说什么了，不想让你如此刻骨铭心，变成了你的专有名词
: ，逢人必用。不知道心理学上对此是如何解释的，可能跟童年阴影是一脉的
: 偶对不起您，以后争取多传播点正能量给您
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b**********s
发帖数: 9531 | 32 我觉得nole的stroke看似ordinary，那时基于他比老费年轻点，所以他的动作和现在学
校教的更接近。就正手，他也有不ordinary的地方，比如凌空dip drive,老费也会，但
很少在底线外开炮的。记得07年麦老指着joker的正手凌空抽球说,就这个正手能让他拿
大满贯，而且multiple.
gluten
but
It'
to
however,
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: Yes, many things contributed to Nole rising to the top, nose surgery, gluten
: -free diet, improved stamina, yoga, $70k training/recovery machine etc., but
: none of it affect my feel of connection to his strokes. I like Nole not
: because he's number one (or #2 atm), but because his "ordinary" strokes. It'
: s the same reason I like David Goffin (too bad he doesn't carry the same "
: arrogance" Nole once carried, so he might never break into the echelon)
: Aside from that, I still think mental play the most important role to get to
: the top. A strong mental does require the backing of uber fitness, however,
: a superb fitness does not yield impeccable mentality. Seems Nole always
: believed that he belong to the top. What he believes is the confidence,
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 33 "正手凌空抽球"... i don't see anything so ex ordinary about that shot... I
mean the contact point is could be same, stroke is the same, timing might be
a bit different...
【在 b**********s 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得nole的stroke看似ordinary，那时基于他比老费年轻点，所以他的动作和现在学
: 校教的更接近。就正手，他也有不ordinary的地方，比如凌空dip drive,老费也会，但
: 很少在底线外开炮的。记得07年麦老指着joker的正手凌空抽球说,就这个正手能让他拿
: 大满贯，而且multiple.
:
: gluten
: but
: It'
: to
: however,
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s***i
发帖数: 6149 | 34 这个我看到最凌厉的是今年的gulbis，当然一点都不稳定，要看状态
be
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: "正手凌空抽球"... i don't see anything so ex ordinary about that shot... I
: mean the contact point is could be same, stroke is the same, timing might be
: a bit different...
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 35 maybe the ones you are talking about is not the ones I'm thinking of... if
you have a youtube link of that shot might clear some possible confusion.
【在 b**********s 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得nole的stroke看似ordinary，那时基于他比老费年轻点，所以他的动作和现在学
: 校教的更接近。就正手，他也有不ordinary的地方，比如凌空dip drive,老费也会，但
: 很少在底线外开炮的。记得07年麦老指着joker的正手凌空抽球说,就这个正手能让他拿
: 大满贯，而且multiple.
:
: gluten
: but
: It'
: to
: however,
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U******u
发帖数: 5829 | 36 其实，强调小德练俞伽，我不认为在点。他练，很多人也练也有很多不练，这只是体能
训练得一种方式而已，而且，强调这点得也只是看到他为救某几个险球用了劈叉或难度
大得扭腰转体动作，那并不本质。老桑和贝克尔未必练，但他俩为救球曾多次鱼跃，难
道要说他俩平常练排球得鱼跃很在行和频繁，而且这是他俩成功得关键？肯定不是。
ＦＦ未必练，或超出寻常地练，但在他顶风期，他得猎豹般奔跑和凌空抽球，救得无数
令人叹为观止的险球绝球，都是反应他得神经和机体反应得敏捷和强劲，他可能未必得
益于瑜伽但其他体能训练也能达到类似或相同结果。
我坚信一条：天下武功，唯快不破。这里进攻，快可以立刻绝杀对手，防守除可以救出
很多貌似常人无法救起得球不说，而且可以施展回马枪得败中求胜绝杀。其实，都是一
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b**********s
发帖数: 9531 | 37 今年美网第2，3盘老德占上风的那段好像就有几个。其实动作就是dip drive，只不过
老德经常能从底线后大出来，老费也一样，不过大多数是底线内寻求winner时的杀球。
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: maybe the ones you are talking about is not the ones I'm thinking of... if
: you have a youtube link of that shot might clear some possible confusion.
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b**********s
发帖数: 9531 | 38 俞伽，柔韧性的好处在于扩大了hitting zone。劈叉也是同样的目的，这些动作上升到
战术层面就是增加了court coverage.
打个比方吧，你和另一个你在场子两边，应该水平绝对相等，如果对面的你手臂比你长
10公分，我敢保证对面那个肯定赢。
【在 U******u 的大作中提到】
: 其实，强调小德练俞伽，我不认为在点。他练，很多人也练也有很多不练，这只是体能
: 训练得一种方式而已，而且，强调这点得也只是看到他为救某几个险球用了劈叉或难度
: 大得扭腰转体动作，那并不本质。老桑和贝克尔未必练，但他俩为救球曾多次鱼跃，难
: 道要说他俩平常练排球得鱼跃很在行和频繁，而且这是他俩成功得关键？肯定不是。
: ＦＦ未必练，或超出寻常地练，但在他顶风期，他得猎豹般奔跑和凌空抽球，救得无数
: 令人叹为观止的险球绝球，都是反应他得神经和机体反应得敏捷和强劲，他可能未必得
: 益于瑜伽但其他体能训练也能达到类似或相同结果。
: 我坚信一条：天下武功，唯快不破。这里进攻，快可以立刻绝杀对手，防守除可以救出
: 很多貌似常人无法救起得球不说，而且可以施展回马枪得败中求胜绝杀。其实，都是一
: 个快字。
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