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Tennis版 - 感谢LeonardShen同学
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W***3
发帖数: 74
1
从他帖子,我也学到了一些东西。
至于他是否是5.0或4.5,我认为这是不那么重要。如果他能来 Vernon Hill周六下午4:
00教我们如何打网球,我们将不胜感激。
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=
0AqT1HvhKKkU7dDBscGFvUk43d3lNUkgyV1Q4aHRPbkE&usp=sharing#gid=0
我们年轻的时候,有时自大一点点。我记得我只打了两年网球, 我去找 Gordon 打网球.
Gordon的爸爸不希望 Gordon embarrass 中国老伯伯. 所以他告诉我 Gordon 背部受伤.
如果不是 Shen同学的帖子, 我们将不会看到 Alex’s 激动人心的比赛, Henry 的幽默
文章.
所以我感谢Shen同学的帖子和勇气。
b*********s
发帖数: 6757
2
I like the stuff he wrote too. Many materials are what I just realized
recently years. So he's way ahead of me already.
Thanks for sharing!

4:
球.
伤.

【在 W***3 的大作中提到】
: 从他帖子,我也学到了一些东西。
: 至于他是否是5.0或4.5,我认为这是不那么重要。如果他能来 Vernon Hill周六下午4:
: 00教我们如何打网球,我们将不胜感激。
: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=
: 0AqT1HvhKKkU7dDBscGFvUk43d3lNUkgyV1Q4aHRPbkE&usp=sharing#gid=0
: 我们年轻的时候,有时自大一点点。我记得我只打了两年网球, 我去找 Gordon 打网球.
: Gordon的爸爸不希望 Gordon embarrass 中国老伯伯. 所以他告诉我 Gordon 背部受伤.
: 如果不是 Shen同学的帖子, 我们将不会看到 Alex’s 激动人心的比赛, Henry 的幽默
: 文章.
: 所以我感谢Shen同学的帖子和勇气。

J****0
发帖数: 2400
3
给个时间,划个场子就指望人过来教你,架子够大的...

4:
球.
伤.

【在 W***3 的大作中提到】
: 从他帖子,我也学到了一些东西。
: 至于他是否是5.0或4.5,我认为这是不那么重要。如果他能来 Vernon Hill周六下午4:
: 00教我们如何打网球,我们将不胜感激。
: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=
: 0AqT1HvhKKkU7dDBscGFvUk43d3lNUkgyV1Q4aHRPbkE&usp=sharing#gid=0
: 我们年轻的时候,有时自大一点点。我记得我只打了两年网球, 我去找 Gordon 打网球.
: Gordon的爸爸不希望 Gordon embarrass 中国老伯伯. 所以他告诉我 Gordon 背部受伤.
: 如果不是 Shen同学的帖子, 我们将不会看到 Alex’s 激动人心的比赛, Henry 的幽默
: 文章.
: 所以我感谢Shen同学的帖子和勇气。

W***3
发帖数: 74
4
小弟不敢. 对不起! 我是新来的,不知道规则.
只知道通过网球交朋友.
n**u
发帖数: 768
5
I guess you may not need to post here. You could just use MIT email. I
have no doubt he would be a good coach. Note that Shen probably coached
tennis as his part time job. I do not know his rate. But my guess $45-$75/
hour should be reasonable for a group class.

4:
球.
伤.

【在 W***3 的大作中提到】
: 从他帖子,我也学到了一些东西。
: 至于他是否是5.0或4.5,我认为这是不那么重要。如果他能来 Vernon Hill周六下午4:
: 00教我们如何打网球,我们将不胜感激。
: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=
: 0AqT1HvhKKkU7dDBscGFvUk43d3lNUkgyV1Q4aHRPbkE&usp=sharing#gid=0
: 我们年轻的时候,有时自大一点点。我记得我只打了两年网球, 我去找 Gordon 打网球.
: Gordon的爸爸不希望 Gordon embarrass 中国老伯伯. 所以他告诉我 Gordon 背部受伤.
: 如果不是 Shen同学的帖子, 我们将不会看到 Alex’s 激动人心的比赛, Henry 的幽默
: 文章.
: 所以我感谢Shen同学的帖子和勇气。

b*e
发帖数: 3845
6
How much do you plan to pay for the lesson? :)

【在 W***3 的大作中提到】
: 小弟不敢. 对不起! 我是新来的,不知道规则.
: 只知道通过网球交朋友.

W***3
发帖数: 74
7
小弟打网球是自学的.
我唯一的网球课是朋友给的礼物因为我朋友的儿子不能去上课.
若有冒犯, 我很抱歉
L*********n
发帖数: 185
8
I might not be able to do it lately.
I'm trying to recover all injuries and do some condtioning recently, hoping
that I can play with Henry/Gordon as soon as possible, and then with Alex
cause I own him a decent match. Let me see how it goes.
I normally charge $40~60 for group lessons depending on number of people
attending, but the first class are always free of charge and they can pay me
in full @ 2nd session if they want to learn consistently.
W***3
发帖数: 74
9
I don't know about others. But I am looking forward to seeing you play
against Alex, Henry and Gordon. If you want to teach tennis lesson, should
you belong a tennis club? It may be easier to find the students there.
b*********s
发帖数: 6757
10
Leonard, you really disappointed me. When I first read your post back in Dec
., I really enjoyed that piece, and really hoped that you would come to
Texas. After your match vs Alex, I thought ok, maybe your understanding of
USTA rating is not aligned with mine. but this post really tipped me over,
especially the following sentence.
“hoping that I can play with Henry/Gordon as soon as possible, and then
with Alex cause I own him a decent match. ”
You sounded like you still believes you should belong to echelon of 4.5s or
5.0s, having confidence is fine, it's good. However the "then with Alex
cause I own him a decent match", you made it sound like as Alex is not
worthy to play, the only reason you'll play him is because you "owe him a
decent match". That was a bit un-call for.
Maybe that's not your intention, maybe i read too much into what you wrote.
If so I apologize.

hoping
me

【在 L*********n 的大作中提到】
: I might not be able to do it lately.
: I'm trying to recover all injuries and do some condtioning recently, hoping
: that I can play with Henry/Gordon as soon as possible, and then with Alex
: cause I own him a decent match. Let me see how it goes.
: I normally charge $40~60 for group lessons depending on number of people
: attending, but the first class are always free of charge and they can pay me
: in full @ 2nd session if they want to learn consistently.

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U******u
发帖数: 5829
11
salute and hat off to u, MAN!!!
this annoyed me badly too, and as I said before, Comerade Shen actually feel
win/loss on face more important than sportsmanship, otherwise, won't say
such insulting Alex words again and before "only used 20-30% ability and
power...."
Black-teacher, I highly respect your honesty, no matter how your ranking is
lower than and your games skill/tech worse than comerade Shen........
U r the MAN in my eyes with true sportsmanship on this board, same as Henry
and CC showed!!!

Dec
confidence

【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: Leonard, you really disappointed me. When I first read your post back in Dec
: ., I really enjoyed that piece, and really hoped that you would come to
: Texas. After your match vs Alex, I thought ok, maybe your understanding of
: USTA rating is not aligned with mine. but this post really tipped me over,
: especially the following sentence.
: “hoping that I can play with Henry/Gordon as soon as possible, and then
: with Alex cause I own him a decent match. ”
: You sounded like you still believes you should belong to echelon of 4.5s or
: 5.0s, having confidence is fine, it's good. However the "then with Alex
: cause I own him a decent match", you made it sound like as Alex is not

a**s
发帖数: 9606
12
呵呵,直率

Dec
or

【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: Leonard, you really disappointed me. When I first read your post back in Dec
: ., I really enjoyed that piece, and really hoped that you would come to
: Texas. After your match vs Alex, I thought ok, maybe your understanding of
: USTA rating is not aligned with mine. but this post really tipped me over,
: especially the following sentence.
: “hoping that I can play with Henry/Gordon as soon as possible, and then
: with Alex cause I own him a decent match. ”
: You sounded like you still believes you should belong to echelon of 4.5s or
: 5.0s, having confidence is fine, it's good. However the "then with Alex
: cause I own him a decent match", you made it sound like as Alex is not

W***3
发帖数: 74
13
There were only 20 USTA 5.0 players playing in Chicago USTA league in 2012.
Mark Baladad M Chicago IL 5
Jeronie Barnes M Evanston IL 5
Michael Chabraja M Lake Forest IL 5
Trevor De Silva M Long Grove IL 5
Jeremy Edelson M Chicago IL 5
Jason Eden M Streamwood IL 5
Ed Granger M Deerfield IL 5
Michael Grantham M Elburn IL 5
Michael Haber M Arlington Heights IL 5
David Kuhlman M Park Ridge IL 5
Christopher Kushner M La Grange Pk IL 5
Atsushi Matsui M Roselle IL 5
Roger Mills M Barrington IL 5
Peter Morawiecki M Grayslake IL 5
Brett Morse-Karzen M Wilmette IL 5
Greg O'Neil M Chicago IL 5
David Phipps M Schaumburg IL 5
Robert Rao M Long Grove IL 5
John Sherren M Chicago IL 5
Jason Stanislaw M Chicago IL 5
Only 128 players with USTA 4.5 in USTA league. So they are held an higher
standard. To become a tennis teaching pro, it only requres USTA 4.0.
L*********n
发帖数: 185
14
1. To blacklodoss,
I don't mean to do any of those, if so I sincerely appologize.
I want to play to Henry/Gordon because I own all guys here a good match to
watch.
I want to play with Alex again because I feel regretted that I didn't play
with him seriously but that's the only case in my life.
2. To USMedEdu,
I do hold a USTA 4.5 Rating from about 2 years ago and I did have a USPTA
recreational coach license. (I failed the written tests with 49/100). I
was referred by a teaching pro to work at a club in Oak, Chicago earlier
this year and didn't do it for now because of my full-time workload.
I started playing tennis just recently after 6 month work and see if I can
update rating from 4.5 to 5.0 and play 5.0 USTA tournament if possible and
that's why I said I MIGHT BE WEAK 5.0.
I didn't mean to insult anyone with the 20~30% skills thing, it's just a
approx. meansure of the skills I used during that play. I like to show and
explain things detailly and I really appologize if that means anything
insulting, seriously.
3. I'm just a guy with meticulous attitude, love tennis and I won't claim
anything that don't belong to me.
U******u
发帖数: 5829
15
well, I am sure u r a good player, as u started training from teen and
under pro coach's direction, not like Alex and me and most of players here,
start to learn playing tennis after 30,40s, without any coaching and even no
$$ to play indoor at winter season!
I am sure you r a good coach as u always watched so many college players'
games and played with them and you claimed your coaching fee $45-60 which is
same as my club's national champ's coaching price.......
any way, ACTION SPEAKS LOUDER THAN WORDS, OF COURSE INCLUDING "APOLOGIZE",
TOO.......
I just speak what I thought based on what I watched here, and I never hide
my feeling and attitude.......

【在 L*********n 的大作中提到】
: 1. To blacklodoss,
: I don't mean to do any of those, if so I sincerely appologize.
: I want to play to Henry/Gordon because I own all guys here a good match to
: watch.
: I want to play with Alex again because I feel regretted that I didn't play
: with him seriously but that's the only case in my life.
: 2. To USMedEdu,
: I do hold a USTA 4.5 Rating from about 2 years ago and I did have a USPTA
: recreational coach license. (I failed the written tests with 49/100). I
: was referred by a teaching pro to work at a club in Oak, Chicago earlier

b*********s
发帖数: 6757
16
apology accepted. I'm sure these kind of things only happens on the board --
what you wrote may not be what you meant.
Anyways, I'm not sure about Chicago, but in Texas there are rarely any
tournaments that has 5.0. Normally 5.0s just plays open. Often people who
plays in 5.0 tournaments are the 4.5s with a big head. If you can win some 4
.5 major zone, or get to semis of open at some big tournaments, you should
get bump to 5.0 quickly. Good luck!
Lastly, I agree with ATM, rating is just a number, as long as we are having
fun it doesn't matter. =)

【在 L*********n 的大作中提到】
: 1. To blacklodoss,
: I don't mean to do any of those, if so I sincerely appologize.
: I want to play to Henry/Gordon because I own all guys here a good match to
: watch.
: I want to play with Alex again because I feel regretted that I didn't play
: with him seriously but that's the only case in my life.
: 2. To USMedEdu,
: I do hold a USTA 4.5 Rating from about 2 years ago and I did have a USPTA
: recreational coach license. (I failed the written tests with 49/100). I
: was referred by a teaching pro to work at a club in Oak, Chicago earlier

V**D
发帖数: 2869
17
Shen的正手非常的奇怪,似乎用的是大陆式握拍,击球的方式很罕见,我觉得不太适合
一般的人,尤其是初学者。学球还是找比较正规点的教练好。

4:
球.
伤.

【在 W***3 的大作中提到】
: 从他帖子,我也学到了一些东西。
: 至于他是否是5.0或4.5,我认为这是不那么重要。如果他能来 Vernon Hill周六下午4:
: 00教我们如何打网球,我们将不胜感激。
: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=
: 0AqT1HvhKKkU7dDBscGFvUk43d3lNUkgyV1Q4aHRPbkE&usp=sharing#gid=0
: 我们年轻的时候,有时自大一点点。我记得我只打了两年网球, 我去找 Gordon 打网球.
: Gordon的爸爸不希望 Gordon embarrass 中国老伯伯. 所以他告诉我 Gordon 背部受伤.
: 如果不是 Shen同学的帖子, 我们将不会看到 Alex’s 激动人心的比赛, Henry 的幽默
: 文章.
: 所以我感谢Shen同学的帖子和勇气。

b*********s
发帖数: 6757
18
I think his grip is western or extreme western grip. I don't see anything
particular wrong w/ his strokes, and besides just because he holds the grip
this way doesn't meant he has to teach his students this way.... this sounds
like a debate I had with Fakepro.....

【在 V**D 的大作中提到】
: Shen的正手非常的奇怪,似乎用的是大陆式握拍,击球的方式很罕见,我觉得不太适合
: 一般的人,尤其是初学者。学球还是找比较正规点的教练好。
:
: 4:
: 球.
: 伤.

L*********n
发帖数: 185
19

grip
sounds
1. Yes It’s hard to find 5.0 players to play with, I played with
several 5.0 usta before but feel they are more like 4.5s. I decided to
train myself to the best shape and play Futures or other Opens within 5
years before turning 30s.
Back in Ames, Iowa, one Chinese professor (friend of mine), Mr.Wang helped
me hooked up with High school seeds No.1 Alex, 3 Victor and No.5 Victor. I
knew Alex was State Top 5 but not sure about the rest. I would really
appreciate if chinese friends in Chicago can help me hooked up with some
players like them.
2. I used Extreme Western Grip, which is extremely hard to learn and use,
the sacrifice of heavy spin Is the energy input. I need to hit about 50%
harder because 50% or more of the energy I input turns into spin instead of
speed. However, I teach semi-western grip for forehands for all of my
students and I can play semi-western forehand and double backhands with left
arms, extreme western forehand and semi-western back hands w/right arm,
which means I usually teach students with left arms.

【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: I think his grip is western or extreme western grip. I don't see anything
: particular wrong w/ his strokes, and besides just because he holds the grip
: this way doesn't meant he has to teach his students this way.... this sounds
: like a debate I had with Fakepro.....

U******u
发帖数: 5829
20
申教练,假如哪天什么地方您看到FF,豆子输给ATP100开外的路人甲乙丙丁后
,说"只用了20-30%功力....."时,千万提醒告知我。。。。。。。LOL
我这才3.5+本不该品头论足说高手们什么,但这论坛风气如此,没办法,就从了,随
了大流。
不管你自称用了多少成功力,我这人看发球看得比其他技术都重,我认为,单就论发球
技术动作得流畅,发力方式,落点,CC和HENRY比您得强不少,至少20-30
%以上?呵呵。
他俩我都打过多年了,是老熟人,他俩得技术动作就不说了,是版上公认得前几名高手
,说话为人,我是从来这板起,就一直认为很DECENT的,是值得信赖和交得球友
和生活里得朋友。我也同样欣赏最近才来的黑导。听话听声。锣鼓听音。大家都成人了
,说话言语基本是内心思维得表象反映。
有人爱攻击我,好拍高手马屁,您这高手得言语,俺就更加留意和要慎重并高标准严要
求对待地,否则不就辜负了那些啃俺脚跟10多年的版虫们对俺得期望了吗?!

【在 L*********n 的大作中提到】
: 1. To blacklodoss,
: I don't mean to do any of those, if so I sincerely appologize.
: I want to play to Henry/Gordon because I own all guys here a good match to
: watch.
: I want to play with Alex again because I feel regretted that I didn't play
: with him seriously but that's the only case in my life.
: 2. To USMedEdu,
: I do hold a USTA 4.5 Rating from about 2 years ago and I did have a USPTA
: recreational coach license. (I failed the written tests with 49/100). I
: was referred by a teaching pro to work at a club in Oak, Chicago earlier

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s***u
发帖数: 587
21
leonard,你真的不知道吗?usta rating 是打出来的,不是自己评的。所有你说的技术
标准都是用来估计一个人的level的,但到底是什么level,是比赛打出来的。
这里所有的人说的4.0, 4.5, 5.0 level,都是有usta成绩和评级的,不是自己估的
。这个就是你和这个版的gap在哪里。
你准备怎么close 这个gap 呢?

【在 L*********n 的大作中提到】
: 1. To blacklodoss,
: I don't mean to do any of those, if so I sincerely appologize.
: I want to play to Henry/Gordon because I own all guys here a good match to
: watch.
: I want to play with Alex again because I feel regretted that I didn't play
: with him seriously but that's the only case in my life.
: 2. To USMedEdu,
: I do hold a USTA 4.5 Rating from about 2 years ago and I did have a USPTA
: recreational coach license. (I failed the written tests with 49/100). I
: was referred by a teaching pro to work at a club in Oak, Chicago earlier

b*********s
发帖数: 6757
22
"play Futures or other Opens within 5 years" that's a very admirable goal.
(my tennis buddy has the same goal... advantage of being a single no kids)
For now, you just need to make a name for yourself. Just win. Kill Alex,
beat up Henry and Gordon, win couple USTA 4.5 or open tournaments. Once you
have your name out, I'm sure many parents will ask you to hit with their
kids.

I

【在 L*********n 的大作中提到】
:
: grip
: sounds
: 1. Yes It’s hard to find 5.0 players to play with, I played with
: several 5.0 usta before but feel they are more like 4.5s. I decided to
: train myself to the best shape and play Futures or other Opens within 5
: years before turning 30s.
: Back in Ames, Iowa, one Chinese professor (friend of mine), Mr.Wang helped
: me hooked up with High school seeds No.1 Alex, 3 Victor and No.5 Victor. I
: knew Alex was State Top 5 but not sure about the rest. I would really

d****t
发帖数: 1284
23
老刀你也不用这么刻薄啦,leonard已经说了第二天要打比赛,也许20-30%听着不入耳
,但没敢出全力肯定是真的。
你提他的发球, 我又去看来下,leonard挥拍很流畅,wrist snap很好,所以在不靠身
体发力的情况下还能发出很转的上旋。
我觉得现在口水帖可以停停了,等以后alex把leonard和henry或其他高手过招的录像奔
出来,到时再继续。现在感觉话越说越僵,把lenonard气跑了也是网版的损失,
chicago地区的id也少了个可以打球的高手,另外更重要的是: ....................
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能和leonard过招了。

【在 U******u 的大作中提到】
: 申教练,假如哪天什么地方您看到FF,豆子输给ATP100开外的路人甲乙丙丁后
: ,说"只用了20-30%功力....."时,千万提醒告知我。。。。。。。LOL
: 我这才3.5+本不该品头论足说高手们什么,但这论坛风气如此,没办法,就从了,随
: 了大流。
: 不管你自称用了多少成功力,我这人看发球看得比其他技术都重,我认为,单就论发球
: 技术动作得流畅,发力方式,落点,CC和HENRY比您得强不少,至少20-30
: %以上?呵呵。
: 他俩我都打过多年了,是老熟人,他俩得技术动作就不说了,是版上公认得前几名高手
: ,说话为人,我是从来这板起,就一直认为很DECENT的,是值得信赖和交得球友
: 和生活里得朋友。我也同样欣赏最近才来的黑导。听话听声。锣鼓听音。大家都成人了

a*m
发帖数: 6253
24
其实老刑最该感谢LEO, hehe 版面口水大增。。。
实事求是的说,竞技体育最重要的品质就是不服气,呵呵 这个问题很好解决,打一场
就好了,输赢是最直接的解释。。。现在这样挺好,一场不行,咱们多打几场。。。不
打不相识,真金不怕火炼。。。
从录像上看,也许LEO没出全力,但是这不影响你和阿扁的H2H记录,哈哈。 目前0:1
小负
另外,在赛后采访的时候,输球最好不要用任何理由解释,因为这个通常会被看作借口
。。。最好的说法是,今天阿扁很棒,希望下次我们能有机会再打一场,这样会提高你
在媒体面前的形象。。。至于录像和比赛的水平,尤其是rating,很重要么? 李娜也
会打得像业余的,不过不影响人家拿大满贯,上亿的代言。 当然她要是在媒体面前机
灵点,也许赚得更多。。。
你的目标是很多业余选手的目标,年轻真好!但是看起来你的实现方法可能有问题。
你的比赛经验可能是你的短板,你可以去看一下TT上一个24岁小孩的帖子,他的目标是
拿到一分ATP积分,目前很久不跟了。他和你类似,全职,女朋友愿意支持他周末全天
比赛。
技术上我也不懂,就不评论了。
a******n
发帖数: 226
25
DUPONT同学,
我的网球肘其实一直没好,我又是急性子,上次我网球肘突发而失约,休息了两三个星
期还没有痊愈,我实在受不了遥遥无期的等待,所以平生第一次带着护具上场,借主场
之利,侥幸获胜,我认为我们水平在伯仲之间,不分高低,胜负完全看现场发挥。
申老师和我联系,要我帮他在本周末约HENRY和GORDEN交流,而HENRY最近事比较多,平
时要带孩子,周末要打两天比赛,已经回复说短期内难以实现。
而我带着半残老朽的身躯迎战,申老师如果再次承让,盛情之下,难以承受。而杜邦兄
作为一等一的好手,比肩HENRY,名声早已蜚声网版,扬威海内,如果本周末帮本盟解燃
眉之急,不失礼于申老师,代为交流,则万分感激。
盼复。
U******u
发帖数: 5829
26
BM is so nice and gentleman, words much soft. Me, same meaning, but always
harsh and too sharp or Mean?........
Lol

1

【在 a*m 的大作中提到】
: 其实老刑最该感谢LEO, hehe 版面口水大增。。。
: 实事求是的说,竞技体育最重要的品质就是不服气,呵呵 这个问题很好解决,打一场
: 就好了,输赢是最直接的解释。。。现在这样挺好,一场不行,咱们多打几场。。。不
: 打不相识,真金不怕火炼。。。
: 从录像上看,也许LEO没出全力,但是这不影响你和阿扁的H2H记录,哈哈。 目前0:1
: 小负
: 另外,在赛后采访的时候,输球最好不要用任何理由解释,因为这个通常会被看作借口
: 。。。最好的说法是,今天阿扁很棒,希望下次我们能有机会再打一场,这样会提高你
: 在媒体面前的形象。。。至于录像和比赛的水平,尤其是rating,很重要么? 李娜也
: 会打得像业余的,不过不影响人家拿大满贯,上亿的代言。 当然她要是在媒体面前机

U******u
发帖数: 5829
27
No worry coach Shen will qi Paola le.......if so, he such a high hand too
near row minded lal.......
Fully spt u have fight with him too!

..
..
..
..

【在 d****t 的大作中提到】
: 老刀你也不用这么刻薄啦,leonard已经说了第二天要打比赛,也许20-30%听着不入耳
: ,但没敢出全力肯定是真的。
: 你提他的发球, 我又去看来下,leonard挥拍很流畅,wrist snap很好,所以在不靠身
: 体发力的情况下还能发出很转的上旋。
: 我觉得现在口水帖可以停停了,等以后alex把leonard和henry或其他高手过招的录像奔
: 出来,到时再继续。现在感觉话越说越僵,把lenonard气跑了也是网版的损失,
: chicago地区的id也少了个可以打球的高手,另外更重要的是: ....................
: ............................................................................
: ............................................................................
: ............................................................................

L*********n
发帖数: 185
28

1
其实主要是由于我很喜欢把事情说的仔细,所以才有20~30%出力的说法,真不是
什么别的原因。输了就是输了我也真没想那么多.
我知道哪怕一分的ATP 积分也要大好几轮的FUTURE 正塞或者CHALLENGER 的正塞才行,
现在主要是做CONDITIONING,全套下来一般要3~4小时.
昨天从6点练到9点半然后和MILEN打了场单打总算是1/6,7/6首次赢了一个SET
,一直打到11:30PM, 晚上做饭吃饭后已经半夜2点了, 我本来身高就是劣势他
个个2发都过顶。他就是过去打FUTURE 打不出好成绩,我如果不能稳定赢他去FUTURE
就是送钱找虐。

【在 a*m 的大作中提到】
: 其实老刑最该感谢LEO, hehe 版面口水大增。。。
: 实事求是的说,竞技体育最重要的品质就是不服气,呵呵 这个问题很好解决,打一场
: 就好了,输赢是最直接的解释。。。现在这样挺好,一场不行,咱们多打几场。。。不
: 打不相识,真金不怕火炼。。。
: 从录像上看,也许LEO没出全力,但是这不影响你和阿扁的H2H记录,哈哈。 目前0:1
: 小负
: 另外,在赛后采访的时候,输球最好不要用任何理由解释,因为这个通常会被看作借口
: 。。。最好的说法是,今天阿扁很棒,希望下次我们能有机会再打一场,这样会提高你
: 在媒体面前的形象。。。至于录像和比赛的水平,尤其是rating,很重要么? 李娜也
: 会打得像业余的,不过不影响人家拿大满贯,上亿的代言。 当然她要是在媒体面前机

p****f
发帖数: 82
29
很少见但也不是完全没有,gasquet的正手就是这样

【在 V**D 的大作中提到】
: Shen的正手非常的奇怪,似乎用的是大陆式握拍,击球的方式很罕见,我觉得不太适合
: 一般的人,尤其是初学者。学球还是找比较正规点的教练好。
:
: 4:
: 球.
: 伤.

U******u
发帖数: 5829
30
K, mentioned Cao Cao, he showed up........
Good idea and opportunity........
Wish this time both use full power and energy to fight and show a dragon vs
tiger playing games........

【在 a******n 的大作中提到】
: DUPONT同学,
: 我的网球肘其实一直没好,我又是急性子,上次我网球肘突发而失约,休息了两三个星
: 期还没有痊愈,我实在受不了遥遥无期的等待,所以平生第一次带着护具上场,借主场
: 之利,侥幸获胜,我认为我们水平在伯仲之间,不分高低,胜负完全看现场发挥。
: 申老师和我联系,要我帮他在本周末约HENRY和GORDEN交流,而HENRY最近事比较多,平
: 时要带孩子,周末要打两天比赛,已经回复说短期内难以实现。
: 而我带着半残老朽的身躯迎战,申老师如果再次承让,盛情之下,难以承受。而杜邦兄
: 作为一等一的好手,比肩HENRY,名声早已蜚声网版,扬威海内,如果本周末帮本盟解燃
: 眉之急,不失礼于申老师,代为交流,则万分感激。
: 盼复。

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n**u
发帖数: 768
31
You are a top spin grinder as the score showed. It is going to be really
hard for you to win a tournament or even get into the finals. Most times
only go the final or winning the tournament could get you some points and
the money you mentioned.

SET
FUTURE

【在 L*********n 的大作中提到】
:
: 1
: 其实主要是由于我很喜欢把事情说的仔细,所以才有20~30%出力的说法,真不是
: 什么别的原因。输了就是输了我也真没想那么多.
: 我知道哪怕一分的ATP 积分也要大好几轮的FUTURE 正塞或者CHALLENGER 的正塞才行,
: 现在主要是做CONDITIONING,全套下来一般要3~4小时.
: 昨天从6点练到9点半然后和MILEN打了场单打总算是1/6,7/6首次赢了一个SET
: ,一直打到11:30PM, 晚上做饭吃饭后已经半夜2点了, 我本来身高就是劣势他
: 个个2发都过顶。他就是过去打FUTURE 打不出好成绩,我如果不能稳定赢他去FUTURE
: 就是送钱找虐。

d****t
发帖数: 1284
32
靠,好大一颗糖衣炮弹, 摆明让我当炮灰了。leonard被人口水了好几天,这次铁定要
扬刀立威。 我大老远跑过去被人踢屁股。
能跟高手过招踢屁股我也认了,不过这几天也太热了吧。你们要是肯北上我这倒是可以
在有空调的gym里打。

【在 a******n 的大作中提到】
: DUPONT同学,
: 我的网球肘其实一直没好,我又是急性子,上次我网球肘突发而失约,休息了两三个星
: 期还没有痊愈,我实在受不了遥遥无期的等待,所以平生第一次带着护具上场,借主场
: 之利,侥幸获胜,我认为我们水平在伯仲之间,不分高低,胜负完全看现场发挥。
: 申老师和我联系,要我帮他在本周末约HENRY和GORDEN交流,而HENRY最近事比较多,平
: 时要带孩子,周末要打两天比赛,已经回复说短期内难以实现。
: 而我带着半残老朽的身躯迎战,申老师如果再次承让,盛情之下,难以承受。而杜邦兄
: 作为一等一的好手,比肩HENRY,名声早已蜚声网版,扬威海内,如果本周末帮本盟解燃
: 眉之急,不失礼于申老师,代为交流,则万分感激。
: 盼复。

t******n
发帖数: 38
33
本来只认识henry 和 alex 两位大侠,突然之间芝加哥出来那么多高手。
好期待DUPONT和SHEN两位大侠巅峰较量,到时一定过来捧场...
L*********n
发帖数: 185
34
哎,我也确实是比较郁闷,打球没好好打SOCIAL SOCIAL 的也不成功。
如果您要打室内的当然更好了,这几天太热了,您过来或者我过去都行,ALEX 告诉我
咱们有1小时的车程距离所以应该没问题。
a******n
发帖数: 226
35
再劝杜邦兄南下狩猎,以彰显英雄本色,大炮威猛兮轰他娘,横刀立马兮去狩猎,申老
师众门生城门外十里备酒相迎,愚弟亦率粉丝团球场恭候,还望杜邦兄三思而定夺。

【在 d****t 的大作中提到】
: 靠,好大一颗糖衣炮弹, 摆明让我当炮灰了。leonard被人口水了好几天,这次铁定要
: 扬刀立威。 我大老远跑过去被人踢屁股。
: 能跟高手过招踢屁股我也认了,不过这几天也太热了吧。你们要是肯北上我这倒是可以
: 在有空调的gym里打。

t******n
发帖数: 38
36
alex大侠不仅球技了得,而且文学功底如此深厚,可谓内外皆修。佩服佩服...
d****t
发帖数: 1284
37
还南下涉猎,上次都被你射成刺猬了。
我要去你那边只能这周日, 另外你们那边有没有有空调的club,上次那个club实在是
太闷了。不过好像周末会凉快下来,估计室外也凑合能打。

【在 a******n 的大作中提到】
: 再劝杜邦兄南下狩猎,以彰显英雄本色,大炮威猛兮轰他娘,横刀立马兮去狩猎,申老
: 师众门生城门外十里备酒相迎,愚弟亦率粉丝团球场恭候,还望杜邦兄三思而定夺。

V**D
发帖数: 2869
38
Shen的正手拉拍和gasquet还是有很大的区别,尽管他们的grip基本一样,我感觉现在职
业选手里没有那样的。。

【在 p****f 的大作中提到】
: 很少见但也不是完全没有,gasquet的正手就是这样
M*******n
发帖数: 508
39
有没有可以直播的场地? 看来这场比赛万众瞩目 建议出售门票

【在 a******n 的大作中提到】
: 再劝杜邦兄南下狩猎,以彰显英雄本色,大炮威猛兮轰他娘,横刀立马兮去狩猎,申老
: 师众门生城门外十里备酒相迎,愚弟亦率粉丝团球场恭候,还望杜邦兄三思而定夺。

g**********r
发帖数: 372
40
这两天挺热闹的啊。
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a**s
发帖数: 9606
41
哈哈,是不是想找机会击败5.0爽爽?

..
..
..
..

【在 d****t 的大作中提到】
: 老刀你也不用这么刻薄啦,leonard已经说了第二天要打比赛,也许20-30%听着不入耳
: ,但没敢出全力肯定是真的。
: 你提他的发球, 我又去看来下,leonard挥拍很流畅,wrist snap很好,所以在不靠身
: 体发力的情况下还能发出很转的上旋。
: 我觉得现在口水帖可以停停了,等以后alex把leonard和henry或其他高手过招的录像奔
: 出来,到时再继续。现在感觉话越说越僵,把lenonard气跑了也是网版的损失,
: chicago地区的id也少了个可以打球的高手,另外更重要的是: ....................
: ............................................................................
: ............................................................................
: ............................................................................

F*****o
发帖数: 4012
42
又中刀了。
英文没有看懂,点名看懂了。
来的都是客,来的都是朋友。只要有奔有互掐,就是有热闹可看。象主板童鞋奔了很多
,就很好看啊。

grip
sounds

【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: I think his grip is western or extreme western grip. I don't see anything
: particular wrong w/ his strokes, and besides just because he holds the grip
: this way doesn't meant he has to teach his students this way.... this sounds
: like a debate I had with Fakepro.....

b*********s
发帖数: 6757
43
are you kidding me or are you for real that you don't understand English?
申教练自己是西方式握拍,但他教学生是半西方式. 如果他觉得西方式好为什么要教学
生半西方式,如果他觉得半西方式好为什么自己是西方式... 好像和我们最近争论的项
目有关.

【在 F*****o 的大作中提到】
: 又中刀了。
: 英文没有看懂,点名看懂了。
: 来的都是客,来的都是朋友。只要有奔有互掐,就是有热闹可看。象主板童鞋奔了很多
: ,就很好看啊。
:
: grip
: sounds

L*********n
发帖数: 185
44

因为我学球的时候教练教我的是正手西方式,反手教的是半西单反。后来打了10年左右
习惯了就不准备改了。
学习教练学以后,自己教自己左手打半西和双反,非常轻松,而且半西打低,中,高球
都还可以,而且打力量和上旋都很平衡,我肯定教好学的嘛......

【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: are you kidding me or are you for real that you don't understand English?
: 申教练自己是西方式握拍,但他教学生是半西方式. 如果他觉得西方式好为什么要教学
: 生半西方式,如果他觉得半西方式好为什么自己是西方式... 好像和我们最近争论的项
: 目有关.

b*********s
发帖数: 6757
45
您别误会,我没有指责你握拍或教球的意思. 说来话长,这有关于之前的口水仗--
Fakepro claim 老刀说topspin好,自己又不打topspin, 又把打topspin好的娃轻松干掉
... 逻辑问题 yada yada yada... 是我不好,不该继续搅和.

【在 L*********n 的大作中提到】
:
: 因为我学球的时候教练教我的是正手西方式,反手教的是半西单反。后来打了10年左右
: 习惯了就不准备改了。
: 学习教练学以后,自己教自己左手打半西和双反,非常轻松,而且半西打低,中,高球
: 都还可以,而且打力量和上旋都很平衡,我肯定教好学的嘛......

L*********n
发帖数: 185
46

不我已经晕了......IGNORE THIS

【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: 您别误会,我没有指责你握拍或教球的意思. 说来话长,这有关于之前的口水仗--
: Fakepro claim 老刀说topspin好,自己又不打topspin, 又把打topspin好的娃轻松干掉
: ... 逻辑问题 yada yada yada... 是我不好,不该继续搅和.

F*****o
发帖数: 4012
47
俺英文不太好,只能勉强能猜你的意思,但是不敢确定。
俺的理解,西方式算高级 top spin,半西算初级 top spin (LeonardShen 的例子)。
老刀的top spin 问题,是逻辑的问题,和打球无关。
top spin 对俺来说,至少是中级的水平,也是俺明年的提高项目,俺从来就没有贬低
过 top spin,而且俺的逻辑,一直是支持 top spin 的。
黑导和俺的最大争议是初学者是从 top spin 开始学呢,还是从平击开始学。
俺的观点,是学平击(废话,俺也不会 top spin 啊),用东方式正手(注:俺是 3.0
的教练,教 2.5以下的,实际上,现在俺的4,5个学生,都是刚刚拿球拍的)。

【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: are you kidding me or are you for real that you don't understand English?
: 申教练自己是西方式握拍,但他教学生是半西方式. 如果他觉得西方式好为什么要教学
: 生半西方式,如果他觉得半西方式好为什么自己是西方式... 好像和我们最近争论的项
: 目有关.

d******e
发帖数: 2541
48
不仅忘了我得原话和宗旨是什么,还套用(连COPY RIGHT都不讲了!)拿来
抽自己脸不说,还更自打自嘴。扯谎得都爱犯这病,扯多了,自己忘了自己以前得瞎扯
,自己就抽自己嘴巴了。。。。。。
蠢乎?无耻乎?
立此存照:

)。
.0

【在 F*****o 的大作中提到】
: 俺英文不太好,只能勉强能猜你的意思,但是不敢确定。
: 俺的理解,西方式算高级 top spin,半西算初级 top spin (LeonardShen 的例子)。
: 老刀的top spin 问题,是逻辑的问题,和打球无关。
: top spin 对俺来说,至少是中级的水平,也是俺明年的提高项目,俺从来就没有贬低
: 过 top spin,而且俺的逻辑,一直是支持 top spin 的。
: 黑导和俺的最大争议是初学者是从 top spin 开始学呢,还是从平击开始学。
: 俺的观点,是学平击(废话,俺也不会 top spin 啊),用东方式正手(注:俺是 3.0
: 的教练,教 2.5以下的,实际上,现在俺的4,5个学生,都是刚刚拿球拍的)。

F*****o
发帖数: 4012
49
不仅忘了我得原话和宗旨是什么 -> 你算哪根葱?圣旨?必须要记住的?
还更自打自嘴 -> 你都自己把自己打成猪头了,自己还 high 着呢。
立此存照:-> 行啊,俺哪里说的有问题了?
俺看你老刀越来越可怜的,一把年纪,记性不好,逻辑不好,俺一提问,就遁了。骂人
血口喷人,倒是少不了。
俺再问你(都问了多少遍了,还不敢回答):老刀,为什么你没有很好的 topspin?
回答选择:
1. 教练教的差。
2. 自己学的时间短。
3. 太难,学不会 / 学不好。
4. 苯,学不会 / 学不好。
5. 其他原因,自己表述。
当然,你也可以问俺相同的问题,俺的回答,现在不会,以前没有钱学,明年准备学。

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发信人: FakePro (Fake_Pro), 信区: Tennis
标 题: Re: 感谢LeonardShen同学
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Jul 18 05:31:57 2013, 美东)
俺英文不太好,只能勉强能猜你的意思,但是不敢确定。
俺的理解,西方式算高级 top spin,半西算初级 top spin (LeonardShen 的例子)。
老刀的top spin 问题,是逻辑的问题,和打球无关。
top spin 对俺来说,至少是中级的水平,也是俺明年的提高项目,俺从来就没有贬低
过 top spin,而且俺的逻辑,一直是支持 top spin 的。
黑导和俺的最大争议是初学者是从 top spin 开始学呢,还是从平击开始学。
俺的观点,是学平击(废话,俺也不会 top spin 啊),用东方式正手(注:俺是 3.0
的教练,教 2.5以下的,实际上,现在俺的4,5个学生,都是刚刚拿球拍的)。

【在 d******e 的大作中提到】
: 不仅忘了我得原话和宗旨是什么,还套用(连COPY RIGHT都不讲了!)拿来
: 抽自己脸不说,还更自打自嘴。扯谎得都爱犯这病,扯多了,自己忘了自己以前得瞎扯
: ,自己就抽自己嘴巴了。。。。。。
: 蠢乎?无耻乎?
: 立此存照:
:
: )。
: .0

W***3
发帖数: 74
50
Top spin/flat shot just two different means or skills to the same end - to
win the match.
It is better to master both of them if you can. If you go back 50 years,
every one was using continental grip for the forehand which may not generate
a lot of top spin.
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