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Tennis版 - 今天的group class
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s*******t
发帖数: 2896
1
问了instructor about how to hit top spin. He said 'don't worry about your
top spin as far as you hit through and swing your arm all the way to the
left shoulder.'
Although I'm one of the biggest hitter in the 6 students (only one hits
faster than I do with less consistency), he is still pushing me to hit
through.
Is that right?
I try to top spin because I see that short drive is more effective in
winning, although deep drive generates advantage. Am I right?
s*******t
发帖数: 2896
2
BTW, the instructor said one of the keys in top spin is to start low. Sweet
spot of the racket is on the same level of the right knee.
Just share with all of you, if any one doesn't know. Any way it is one more
way to memorize.
b*********s
发帖数: 6757
3
sweet spot for topspin is between knee level and waist level. I think you
misunderstood your instructor on the key in topspin. It is not start low, I
think he meant the key for topspin is to drop your racquet low. 6 o'clock
position with butt cap facing the net or sky.
What level is your group class? 3.0/3.5?
You ridiculed my topspin shots, yet you don't even know how to hit a topspin
....

Sweet
more

【在 s*******t 的大作中提到】
: BTW, the instructor said one of the keys in top spin is to start low. Sweet
: spot of the racket is on the same level of the right knee.
: Just share with all of you, if any one doesn't know. Any way it is one more
: way to memorize.

s*******t
发帖数: 2896
4
Thank you for your advice. I'll try that. Maybe the instructor just want to
stress hence exaggerated a little. I know drop racket, and he saw that. I
used too much wrist motion in his opinion, so ... But I told him I would
keep that motion.
Your skill of top spin is obviously good, but in my opinion your tennis is
not. There is no ridiculous technique, only ridiculous use of technique (it
may make perfect sense to you, well, just personal preference).
I want shorter drive, so I want more top spin.

I
topspin

【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: sweet spot for topspin is between knee level and waist level. I think you
: misunderstood your instructor on the key in topspin. It is not start low, I
: think he meant the key for topspin is to drop your racquet low. 6 o'clock
: position with butt cap facing the net or sky.
: What level is your group class? 3.0/3.5?
: You ridiculed my topspin shots, yet you don't even know how to hit a topspin
: ....
:
: Sweet
: more

s*******t
发帖数: 2896
5
I don't know if it is 3.0 or 3.5 level. I may ask him, but he probably plays
club and this job is kind of support from the university. So he might be
inaccurate. I may 奔 this summer. You can assume I'm 3.5, just a consistency
matter to me.
BTW, did any coach make some comment on your tennis?
i******n
发帖数: 170
6
don't know what you mean by short drive, you want the ball land short, not
deep? and you want to use top spin to generate a short ball on purpose?
t******g
发帖数: 2253
7
My only comment for your post, your coach and blackdoss are both correct.
s*******t
发帖数: 2896
8
That's right. When you get some advantage and "step" on the baseline, you
can to hit harder and make an winner / approach shot. Another choice is to
hit with more angle, hence you need the ball land shorter.
When to use this tactic depends on your opponent. Don't do it on a great
runner or in the beginning of a match since everyone runs great then.

【在 i******n 的大作中提到】
: don't know what you mean by short drive, you want the ball land short, not
: deep? and you want to use top spin to generate a short ball on purpose?

s*******t
发帖数: 2896
9
I agree.

【在 t******g 的大作中提到】
: My only comment for your post, your coach and blackdoss are both correct.
s*******t
发帖数: 2896
10
In other words, just inside out. You could do it any time if you are good.
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757
11
As far as tennis, one guy told me that I need to stay more patient, because
I tend to go for attack too early. He told me to rally with those high
topspin shots longer.

plays
consistency

【在 s*******t 的大作中提到】
: I don't know if it is 3.0 or 3.5 level. I may ask him, but he probably plays
: club and this job is kind of support from the university. So he might be
: inaccurate. I may 奔 this summer. You can assume I'm 3.5, just a consistency
: matter to me.
: BTW, did any coach make some comment on your tennis?

i******n
发帖数: 170
12
ok, what you mean is actually more an angle shot.. the name short drive is
kind of confusing..

【在 s*******t 的大作中提到】
: That's right. When you get some advantage and "step" on the baseline, you
: can to hit harder and make an winner / approach shot. Another choice is to
: hit with more angle, hence you need the ball land shorter.
: When to use this tactic depends on your opponent. Don't do it on a great
: runner or in the beginning of a match since everyone runs great then.

b*********s
发帖数: 6757
13
"hit harder" is a concept that's very misleading. You shouldn't hit harder
unless you get jammed. You should always hit loose. Difference is what kind
of shots you want to hit, topspin rally, drive or kill shot? In case of on
the baseline, you probably want to drive the ball.

【在 s*******t 的大作中提到】
: That's right. When you get some advantage and "step" on the baseline, you
: can to hit harder and make an winner / approach shot. Another choice is to
: hit with more angle, hence you need the ball land shorter.
: When to use this tactic depends on your opponent. Don't do it on a great
: runner or in the beginning of a match since everyone runs great then.

s*******t
发帖数: 2896
14
By "hitting harder" I mean to try winner by a big shot with a reasonable
angle. I surely don't forget how to play tennis that often.
My question is if it makes sense to try a winner with less speed but more
angle in a usual case, i.e. "step" on the baseline and face a slow ball on
my comfort zone.

kind

【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: "hit harder" is a concept that's very misleading. You shouldn't hit harder
: unless you get jammed. You should always hit loose. Difference is what kind
: of shots you want to hit, topspin rally, drive or kill shot? In case of on
: the baseline, you probably want to drive the ball.

b*********s
发帖数: 6757
15
I favor angle more than speed. However, seems to me you are jumping a bit
ahead of yourself.

【在 s*******t 的大作中提到】
: By "hitting harder" I mean to try winner by a big shot with a reasonable
: angle. I surely don't forget how to play tennis that often.
: My question is if it makes sense to try a winner with less speed but more
: angle in a usual case, i.e. "step" on the baseline and face a slow ball on
: my comfort zone.
:
: kind

a*****0
发帖数: 6788
16
握拍偏西式, 上臂夹住,开放式站立, 比较容易打出topspin. 不是说非要这样才能
topspin, 而是这样击球自然而然就基本是topspin.
当然东方式握拍一样可以打出topspin, 参见菲菲时不时的topspin.
z*********n
发帖数: 94654
17
凭shot是分不出级别的,见过太多class里coach说谁谁谁3.5 4.0最后其实3.0也打不好的
也见过人人觉得2.5其实是4.0的,呵呵
usta rating是比赛水平不是看你shot质量的,当然二者有一定的相关性

plays
consistency

【在 s*******t 的大作中提到】
: I don't know if it is 3.0 or 3.5 level. I may ask him, but he probably plays
: club and this job is kind of support from the university. So he might be
: inaccurate. I may 奔 this summer. You can assume I'm 3.5, just a consistency
: matter to me.
: BTW, did any coach make some comment on your tennis?

K****D
发帖数: 30533
18
You can't hit a winner from baseline reliably at your level. Working for
some advantage is a more realistic goal. Once you forced your opponent
to return short, then you can go for the kill.
Of course, you can try to hit a winner from baseline. It's just not
worth the extra unforced errors in my opinion.

【在 s*******t 的大作中提到】
: By "hitting harder" I mean to try winner by a big shot with a reasonable
: angle. I surely don't forget how to play tennis that often.
: My question is if it makes sense to try a winner with less speed but more
: angle in a usual case, i.e. "step" on the baseline and face a slow ball on
: my comfort zone.
:
: kind

z*********n
发帖数: 94654
19
大陆能不能topspin

【在 a*****0 的大作中提到】
: 握拍偏西式, 上臂夹住,开放式站立, 比较容易打出topspin. 不是说非要这样才能
: topspin, 而是这样击球自然而然就基本是topspin.
: 当然东方式握拍一样可以打出topspin, 参见菲菲时不时的topspin.

s*******t
发帖数: 2896
20
I take that as "angle might be better", but not necessarily work for me, it
depends. Well, that's a good answer. Thank you!

【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: I favor angle more than speed. However, seems to me you are jumping a bit
: ahead of yourself.

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z*********n
发帖数: 94654
21
force short然后不会finish short呢?

【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: You can't hit a winner from baseline reliably at your level. Working for
: some advantage is a more realistic goal. Once you forced your opponent
: to return short, then you can go for the kill.
: Of course, you can try to hit a winner from baseline. It's just not
: worth the extra unforced errors in my opinion.

K****D
发帖数: 30533
22
可以。aakk123接近大陆式。

【在 z*********n 的大作中提到】
: 大陆能不能topspin
z*********n
发帖数: 94654
23
这么极端,牛人

【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: 可以。aakk123接近大陆式。
K****D
发帖数: 30533
24
如果他能在底线hit出winner,并且是追求角度的winner, 在前场就一定也能。

【在 z*********n 的大作中提到】
: force short然后不会finish short呢?
z*********n
发帖数: 94654
25
你确定?

【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: 如果他能在底线hit出winner,并且是追求角度的winner, 在前场就一定也能。
K****D
发帖数: 30533
26
确定。在前场比在后场容易出角度得多。

【在 z*********n 的大作中提到】
: 你确定?
z*********n
发帖数: 94654
27
问题很多低级别hard hitter前场猛抽就出界啊

【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: 确定。在前场比在后场容易出角度得多。
s*******t
发帖数: 2896
28
For eastern grip it is not that hard. Trying a winner =/= forcing a winner.

【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: You can't hit a winner from baseline reliably at your level. Working for
: some advantage is a more realistic goal. Once you forced your opponent
: to return short, then you can go for the kill.
: Of course, you can try to hit a winner from baseline. It's just not
: worth the extra unforced errors in my opinion.

b*********s
发帖数: 6757
29
我可以代老肯确定,能在baseline打short angle winner 可以说是5.0的shots了. 4.5
也可以不过没那么频繁.

【在 z*********n 的大作中提到】
: 你确定?
z*********n
发帖数: 94654
30
这倒是,拜服一下

5

【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: 我可以代老肯确定,能在baseline打short angle winner 可以说是5.0的shots了. 4.5
: 也可以不过没那么频繁.

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flat or spin?感觉上旋打法的确不容易打角度啊
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s*******t
发帖数: 2896
31
That's another reason I'm adding my top spin.

【在 z*********n 的大作中提到】
: 问题很多低级别hard hitter前场猛抽就出界啊
K****D
发帖数: 30533
32
If you are eastern forehand, then hitting flat works better and it saves
your wrist. Hitting short topspin against a young guy is like using your
weak side to attack his strong side.
If you really need to hit short to create angles, slice might be better.
It's shorter and lower.

【在 s*******t 的大作中提到】
: For eastern grip it is not that hard. Trying a winner =/= forcing a winner.
b*********s
发帖数: 6757
33
不过我现在怀疑我指的short angle winner from baseline 和Sycophant说的是不是同
一个shot....

【在 z*********n 的大作中提到】
: 这倒是,拜服一下
:
: 5

z*********n
发帖数: 94654
34
我奔过的一个对手,超级hard hitter,发球就几乎没一弹不触网的
机会球经常hard hit到我都得躲着点怕被打伤
不过他在3.0里跌跌撞撞,负多胜少...
旁观看着像4.0...

【在 s*******t 的大作中提到】
: That's another reason I'm adding my top spin.
K****D
发帖数: 30533
35
I don't get it. That's not the reason. You are hitting from baseline.

【在 s*******t 的大作中提到】
: That's another reason I'm adding my top spin.
s*******t
发帖数: 2896
36
Good point!

【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: If you are eastern forehand, then hitting flat works better and it saves
: your wrist. Hitting short topspin against a young guy is like using your
: weak side to attack his strong side.
: If you really need to hit short to create angles, slice might be better.
: It's shorter and lower.

K****D
发帖数: 30533
37
老油条含笑飘过。

【在 z*********n 的大作中提到】
: 我奔过的一个对手,超级hard hitter,发球就几乎没一弹不触网的
: 机会球经常hard hit到我都得躲着点怕被打伤
: 不过他在3.0里跌跌撞撞,负多胜少...
: 旁观看着像4.0...

b*********s
发帖数: 6757
38
yep, might be better to drive the ball deep and finish it at net, that might
be a better route to take.

【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: If you are eastern forehand, then hitting flat works better and it saves
: your wrist. Hitting short topspin against a young guy is like using your
: weak side to attack his strong side.
: If you really need to hit short to create angles, slice might be better.
: It's shorter and lower.

s*******t
发帖数: 2896
39
I sometimes get an even shorter ball. I certainly will not let it go.

【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: I don't get it. That's not the reason. You are hitting from baseline.
K****D
发帖数: 30533
40
Or just hit flat winners against 3.0 pushers, like what I do, hehe.

might

【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: yep, might be better to drive the ball deep and finish it at net, that might
: be a better route to take.

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b*********s
发帖数: 6757
41
呵呵,怎么感觉你在说几年前的我似的.总是被那些老油条蹂躏,赢了我以后再来夸我的
stroke有多好......

【在 z*********n 的大作中提到】
: 我奔过的一个对手,超级hard hitter,发球就几乎没一弹不触网的
: 机会球经常hard hit到我都得躲着点怕被打伤
: 不过他在3.0里跌跌撞撞,负多胜少...
: 旁观看着像4.0...

z*********n
发帖数: 94654
42
flat球很不好对付
topspin,如果不是比自己高0.5以上的,一般都很有节奏感,打起来舒服
flat很破坏节奏,没法搞

【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: Or just hit flat winners against 3.0 pushers, like what I do, hehe.
:
: might

z*********n
发帖数: 94654
43
这哥们估计也练出来以后直接4.0了,都不需要3.5了

【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: 呵呵,怎么感觉你在说几年前的我似的.总是被那些老油条蹂躏,赢了我以后再来夸我的
: stroke有多好......

b*********s
发帖数: 6757
44
同意,我其实很不喜欢和打flat球的对手.总让我觉得rushed...好在如果能耗过3拍,他
们的UE就开始多了

【在 z*********n 的大作中提到】
: flat球很不好对付
: topspin,如果不是比自己高0.5以上的,一般都很有节奏感,打起来舒服
: flat很破坏节奏,没法搞

z*********n
发帖数: 94654
45
如何扛过三拍还不给人家杀自己的机会?

【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: 同意,我其实很不喜欢和打flat球的对手.总让我觉得rushed...好在如果能耗过3拍,他
: 们的UE就开始多了

b*********s
发帖数: 6757
46
有机会就退后些,再想法子拉上旋.
没机会后退,就得shorten swing,and do the quick snap. block if you have to, 再
等代机会.

【在 z*********n 的大作中提到】
: 如何扛过三拍还不给人家杀自己的机会?
z*********n
发帖数: 94654
47
往往这个过程已经被对方的placement搞死了

【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: 有机会就退后些,再想法子拉上旋.
: 没机会后退,就得shorten swing,and do the quick snap. block if you have to, 再
: 等代机会.

s*******t
发帖数: 2896
48
flat用的爆发力大,所以消耗大(肌糖原?不完全氧化);出球快,所以球回来快,需要
跑得快;flat winner没法救,所以起不到消耗对方的作用。
所以flat的人top spin也要会,use them wisely.
b*********s
发帖数: 6757
49
你的球够深,够heavy,没那么容易被placement. 其实打flat的对付topspin也很吃力.不
在前几拍搞定,自己输的可能性就大了,所以他们也有很多压力.最后也就是谁压的住谁
了.

【在 z*********n 的大作中提到】
: 往往这个过程已经被对方的placement搞死了
z*********n
发帖数: 94654
50
被flat压制后回球质量就不高

【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: 你的球够深,够heavy,没那么容易被placement. 其实打flat的对付topspin也很吃力.不
: 在前几拍搞定,自己输的可能性就大了,所以他们也有很多压力.最后也就是谁压的住谁
: 了.

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每次觉得一个小时以后身体才活动开What NTRP level?
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757
51
同样也可以说,上旋打出来来后,打flat的球质量就不高了. tend to land short if
they allows the ball bounce high, else they'll have to take off the rise
which is difficult to control.
还是那句话,看谁能先压住谁.不过要注意的一点就是虽然要抢先压住对方,但千万不能
急.你越往上打越能有这个体会.

【在 z*********n 的大作中提到】
: 被flat压制后回球质量就不高
z*********n
发帖数: 94654
52
我觉得上次我和一flat hitter打球问题出在站位太靠前了。以后遇到这种人还是得往
后站点

【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: 同样也可以说,上旋打出来来后,打flat的球质量就不高了. tend to land short if
: they allows the ball bounce high, else they'll have to take off the rise
: which is difficult to control.
: 还是那句话,看谁能先压住谁.不过要注意的一点就是虽然要抢先压住对方,但千万不能
: 急.你越往上打越能有这个体会.

b*********s
发帖数: 6757
53
没错. :)

【在 z*********n 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得上次我和一flat hitter打球问题出在站位太靠前了。以后遇到这种人还是得往
: 后站点

z*********n
发帖数: 94654
54
总觉得老被他打我脚边,nnd

【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: 没错. :)
b*********s
发帖数: 6757
55
你往后站,球到你脚边就算出界了.:P
key against these guys is stay back, bend your knees, stay patient and hit
your topspins. :) Not easy, but that's what you have to do.

【在 z*********n 的大作中提到】
: 总觉得老被他打我脚边,nnd
z*********n
发帖数: 94654
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上周你这么说我已经意识到了,下次遇到这种人实践一下
还有个key,得diversify球友类型,平常老不遇这种人比赛忽然遇到就抓瞎了
也许不是打不过,是对付的次数太少一下子不适应就吃蛋了

【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: 你往后站,球到你脚边就算出界了.:P
: key against these guys is stay back, bend your knees, stay patient and hit
: your topspins. :) Not easy, but that's what you have to do.

b*********s
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是啊,我周围的都是以topspin为主,所以偶尔碰到个flat hitter 还真不习惯.最近来了
个MM打的挺flat的,而且猛,得找她多打打. she's really hot too lol

【在 z*********n 的大作中提到】
: 上周你这么说我已经意识到了,下次遇到这种人实践一下
: 还有个key,得diversify球友类型,平常老不遇这种人比赛忽然遇到就抓瞎了
: 也许不是打不过,是对付的次数太少一下子不适应就吃蛋了

z*********n
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现在真的很少遇到flat hitter
不是pusher,就是top spinner

【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: 是啊,我周围的都是以topspin为主,所以偶尔碰到个flat hitter 还真不习惯.最近来了
: 个MM打的挺flat的,而且猛,得找她多打打. she's really hot too lol

b*********s
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很多老ex div III div II college player打法还是挺flat的.不过他们也该算是
endanger species 了

【在 z*********n 的大作中提到】
: 现在真的很少遇到flat hitter
: 不是pusher,就是top spinner

z*********n
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我遇到那个就是个年纪较大的

【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: 很多老ex div III div II college player打法还是挺flat的.不过他们也该算是
: endanger species 了

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b*********s
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actually a lot jr girls hits the ball flat and hard... forgot about them lol

【在 z*********n 的大作中提到】
: 我遇到那个就是个年纪较大的
d******x
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哪用4.5我3.5也可以,小甜甜就被我搞了一个,呵呵。
小甜甜,躺枪的滋味不错吧,哈哈。。。

5

【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: 我可以代老肯确定,能在baseline打short angle winner 可以说是5.0的shots了. 4.5
: 也可以不过没那么频繁.

d******x
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你会出短吗这样?或者他为啥不上网?
我觉得如果要是我决定开始flat了两拍之内我必上网。打得好不好另说这个节奏一定是
这样的,要不然这个flat也没啥意义,对方lob回来你也没法子呀。。。

【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: 有机会就退后些,再想法子拉上旋.
: 没机会后退,就得shorten swing,and do the quick snap. block if you have to, 再
: 等代机会.

b*********s
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Yes I could end up hitting short, and coming to the net is the right things
to do. Like you mentioned I could try to lob or shorten swing and redirect
the ball with his pace. So it still comes the to quality of both players
shot.
Bottom line is at wsn Lv I wouldn't say one style is better than the other
if that's what you trying to get at.

【在 d******x 的大作中提到】
: 你会出短吗这样?或者他为啥不上网?
: 我觉得如果要是我决定开始flat了两拍之内我必上网。打得好不好另说这个节奏一定是
: 这样的,要不然这个flat也没啥意义,对方lob回来你也没法子呀。。。

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