g*y
发帖数: 2354 | 1 九站大师赛是这样的还很多：加拿大，辛辛那提，上海和巴黎。 | A**4
发帖数: 2165 | 2 都是硬地和快速场， 而在所有土场的重要塞事都打过，还多数不只一次。 所以说那个
H２H对费不公平。 那道没有土场，巨星（一般是６个GS）的行列都进不去。老费除去
任何一概场地，差不多都能进历史前五名。
【在 g*y 的大作中提到】
: 九站大师赛是这样的还很多：加拿大，辛辛那提，上海和巴黎。
| n*********e
发帖数: 25274 | 3 啥叫"除去任何一概场地"?
【在 A**4 的大作中提到】
: 都是硬地和快速场， 而在所有土场的重要塞事都打过，还多数不只一次。 所以说那个
: H２H对费不公平。 那道没有土场，巨星（一般是６个GS）的行列都进不去。老费除去
: 任何一概场地，差不多都能进历史前五名。
| h*******s
发帖数: 8454 | 4 nobody cares about h2h except some biased feihei
【在 A**4 的大作中提到】
: 都是硬地和快速场， 而在所有土场的重要塞事都打过，还多数不只一次。 所以说那个
: H２H对费不公平。 那道没有土场，巨星（一般是６个GS）的行列都进不去。老费除去
: 任何一概场地，差不多都能进历史前五名。
| A**4
发帖数: 2165 | 5 excluding result from any tpye of court. for instance, Nadal would have
only 4 GS, 0 WTF and 7 or 8 Masters excluding clay court. Fed would still
have 10 GS, 6 WTF and 21 Master excluding grass court.
【在 n*********e 的大作中提到】
: 啥叫"除去任何一概场地"?
| Q*****n
发帖数: 4546 | 6 the h2h between nadal and federer might be a bit biased, but it's always
there and can't be ignored. Federer is obviously the most successful tennis
player to date, with lots of talent and really charming characteristics (at
least his fans think so); but no one is perfect, and he has problems when
facing Nadal, who is so dominant on clays, 5 years younger, left-handed, and
seems to have a bigger heart, especially when playing federer.
I really wish that some Feifen can be fairer to Nadal, whose competition
with Federer actually made a better era for all the tennis fans, instead of
a boring one-man game. The celebration and scandal about Rafa's quit are so
pathetic; maybe those people care just too much about the h2h.
【在 h*******s 的大作中提到】
: nobody cares about h2h except some biased feihei
| K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 7 结论错误。应该是
Fed would still have 8 GS, 0 WTF and 6 Masters excluding hard court.
【在 A**4 的大作中提到】
: excluding result from any tpye of court. for instance, Nadal would have
: only 4 GS, 0 WTF and 7 or 8 Masters excluding clay court. Fed would still
: have 10 GS, 6 WTF and 21 Master excluding grass court.
| g*****y
发帖数: 7271 | 8 What do you mean "ignored"? Those matches all counted in the ranking
points or titles, no? How to ignore them?
For the people who care too much about the h2h, they should wish
Nadal not quitting UO and let Federer has a chance to catch up a
little bit. Federer has better chance to do that in UO than FO, right?
Why celebrating it? I am confused totally by your logic.
tennis
at
and
of
so
【在 Q*****n 的大作中提到】
: the h2h between nadal and federer might be a bit biased, but it's always
: there and can't be ignored. Federer is obviously the most successful tennis
: player to date, with lots of talent and really charming characteristics (at
: least his fans think so); but no one is perfect, and he has problems when
: facing Nadal, who is so dominant on clays, 5 years younger, left-handed, and
: seems to have a bigger heart, especially when playing federer.
: I really wish that some Feifen can be fairer to Nadal, whose competition
: with Federer actually made a better era for all the tennis fans, instead of
: a boring one-man game. The celebration and scandal about Rafa's quit are so
: pathetic; maybe those people care just too much about the h2h.
| g*****y
发帖数: 7271 | 9 I think Borg will be the happiest one if excluding hard courts.
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: 结论错误。应该是
: Fed would still have 8 GS, 0 WTF and 6 Masters excluding hard court.
| l**a
发帖数: 12455 | 10
still
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: 结论错误。应该是
: Fed would still have 8 GS, 0 WTF and 6 Masters excluding hard court.
| | | A**4
发帖数: 2165 | 11 Can you read the post more carefully? I said "for instance", i.e., just use
grass court as an example, since Fed also has 7 at Wimb, ths same no. as
Nadal has at Frech. I didn't say that's the worse case scenario.I have
considered the hard court case, otherwise it would be at least No4.
WTF is Indoor, not hard court, since there are 4 categories: hard, clay,
grass and indoor.
So Fed would have 8 GS, at least 4 WTF (I remember 2003, and 2004 version
seems on outdoor clay or hardcourt?). 7 MS (he got 4 German and 1 Mardrid on
clay, 1 Madrid when it's indoor and 1 Paris).
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: 结论错误。应该是
: Fed would still have 8 GS, 0 WTF and 6 Masters excluding hard court.
| K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 12 同意你的第一段。
从后面的几段可以继续看出你网球知识的薄弱。你可能是个不错的写手，
但是建议加强对网球的了解再写。Indoor不是一个surface. Indoor对应的
是outdoor. Surface官方定义只有4种：hard, clay, grass, carpet，其中
carpet已经在tour level绝迹。换句话说，既有indoor hard court, 也有
indoor clay court。
所以说你要么按照hard, clay, grass分类，要么按照indoor, outdoor
分类。
由于你对分类定义的误解，导致后面所有的结论都白费工夫了。
use
on
【在 A**4 的大作中提到】
: Can you read the post more carefully? I said "for instance", i.e., just use
: grass court as an example, since Fed also has 7 at Wimb, ths same no. as
: Nadal has at Frech. I didn't say that's the worse case scenario.I have
: considered the hard court case, otherwise it would be at least No4.
: WTF is Indoor, not hard court, since there are 4 categories: hard, clay,
: grass and indoor.
: So Fed would have 8 GS, at least 4 WTF (I remember 2003, and 2004 version
: seems on outdoor clay or hardcourt?). 7 MS (he got 4 German and 1 Mardrid on
: clay, 1 Madrid when it's indoor and 1 Paris).
| n*********e
发帖数: 25274 | 13 很多费粉,对网球一知半解,就稀里糊涂地粉上了...
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: 同意你的第一段。
: 从后面的几段可以继续看出你网球知识的薄弱。你可能是个不错的写手，
: 但是建议加强对网球的了解再写。Indoor不是一个surface. Indoor对应的
: 是outdoor. Surface官方定义只有4种：hard, clay, grass, carpet，其中
: carpet已经在tour level绝迹。换句话说，既有indoor hard court, 也有
: indoor clay court。
: 所以说你要么按照hard, clay, grass分类，要么按照indoor, outdoor
: 分类。
: 由于你对分类定义的误解，导致后面所有的结论都白费工夫了。
:
| A**4
发帖数: 2165 | 14 Tell me which tournament is played on indoor clay? I may not notice, but it
sounds weird.
It's not a wise idea to underestimate others when people is only at 3.0
level. I have never played in a tournament or being rated, while it would be
suprise me if my level is as low as 3.0
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: 同意你的第一段。
: 从后面的几段可以继续看出你网球知识的薄弱。你可能是个不错的写手，
: 但是建议加强对网球的了解再写。Indoor不是一个surface. Indoor对应的
: 是outdoor. Surface官方定义只有4种：hard, clay, grass, carpet，其中
: carpet已经在tour level绝迹。换句话说，既有indoor hard court, 也有
: indoor clay court。
: 所以说你要么按照hard, clay, grass分类，要么按照indoor, outdoor
: 分类。
: 由于你对分类定义的误解，导致后面所有的结论都白费工夫了。
:
| K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 15 E.g.:
http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Tournaments/Sao-Paulo.aspx
For more information on 分类，请到官网看一下选手的比赛纪录。
比如Joker:
http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Novak-Dj
你可以数一下hard, clay, grass, carpet加一起是否等于outdoor +
indoor，然后反思一下你对分类的理解是否有偏差。
通常从未打过rated match的爱好者的第一场比赛被surprise的可能性很大。
偶一般都是观察一个ID的谈吐一段时间之后才给出estimate，当然误差不可
避免。你没奔过网球，所以无从知晓你的网球水平。偶仅仅在评估你的网球
知识水平。
it
be
【在 A**4 的大作中提到】
: Tell me which tournament is played on indoor clay? I may not notice, but it
: sounds weird.
: It's not a wise idea to underestimate others when people is only at 3.0
: level. I have never played in a tournament or being rated, while it would be
: suprise me if my level is as low as 3.0
| l**a
发帖数: 12455 | 16 谁看过carpet或者打过carpet？长啥样子的？好打么？
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: E.g.:
: http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Tournaments/Sao-Paulo.aspx
: For more information on 分类，请到官网看一下选手的比赛纪录。
: 比如Joker:
: http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Novak-Dj
: 你可以数一下hard, clay, grass, carpet加一起是否等于outdoor +
: indoor，然后反思一下你对分类的理解是否有偏差。
: 通常从未打过rated match的爱好者的第一场比赛被surprise的可能性很大。
: 偶一般都是观察一个ID的谈吐一段时间之后才给出estimate，当然误差不可
: 避免。你没奔过网球，所以无从知晓你的网球水平。偶仅仅在评估你的网球
| l********e
发帖数: 3999 | 17 看见bigger heart我就笑了，看看去年对小德吧。对老费只是打法相克，心理有优势而
已。
tennis
at
and
of
so
【在 Q*****n 的大作中提到】
: the h2h between nadal and federer might be a bit biased, but it's always
: there and can't be ignored. Federer is obviously the most successful tennis
: player to date, with lots of talent and really charming characteristics (at
: least his fans think so); but no one is perfect, and he has problems when
: facing Nadal, who is so dominant on clays, 5 years younger, left-handed, and
: seems to have a bigger heart, especially when playing federer.
: I really wish that some Feifen can be fairer to Nadal, whose competition
: with Federer actually made a better era for all the tennis fans, instead of
: a boring one-man game. The celebration and scandal about Rafa's quit are so
: pathetic; maybe those people care just too much about the h2h.
| l********e
发帖数: 3999 | 18 你这个成天满嘴跑火车的说出这话，哈哈
【在 n*********e 的大作中提到】
: 很多费粉,对网球一知半解,就稀里糊涂地粉上了...
| l**a
发帖数: 12455 | 19 这么说就没劲了吧，那这么说老费对纳豆时候怎么算？谁都有心理有坎的时候，
狒狒纳豆都一样，谁见过心理从来没坎的运动员？
【在 l********e 的大作中提到】
: 看见bigger heart我就笑了，看看去年对小德吧。对老费只是打法相克，心理有优势而
: 已。
:
: tennis
: at
: and
: of
: so
| l********e
发帖数: 3999 | 20 你这说的跟我说的不矛盾吧，既然都有坎，为啥他有bigger heart呢
【在 l**a 的大作中提到】
: 这么说就没劲了吧，那这么说老费对纳豆时候怎么算？谁都有心理有坎的时候，
: 狒狒纳豆都一样，谁见过心理从来没坎的运动员？
| | | l**a
发帖数: 12455 | 21 可能各人观点不同吧，那人原文说seems to have a bigger heart，我觉得怎么说呢，
我看狒狒和纳豆比赛多一点，其他人稍微少一点，我总体感觉，在面对各种不利
情况时候，自己出问题的话，纳豆甚至比老费还要少一些，就是我觉得纳豆面对
压力的时候，比老费更抗压力；这个可以解释08温网为啥纳豆最后赢了，其实那场
比赛根本就分不出胜负的，最后就靠一口气了，结果老费先顶不住了，按说在
草场上，老费对纳豆的心理优势可是大了去了，最后硬是顶不过纳豆
有一次我去看球，跟身边一个铁杆费粉聊天，我说你看狒狒打得好的时候谁也
没辙，但是他总是有走神的时候，一会儿打得特好，一会儿莫名其妙失误，这
到底是为什么？她说，可能genius都是这样的吧……呵呵，我觉得她说得特对，
论genius，没人能跟老费比；但是我个人感觉，在碰到特别难受的时候，纳豆反而
更能抗住压力，虽然纳豆的技术和天赋比老费差了几个档次；你说去年纳豆对小德，
的确，那个是打得很没有底气，但是今年澳网纳豆还是有进步的，我觉得如果换了
是别人，未必能比纳豆做得更好；所以我总觉得老费打球9分靠天赋和技术，1分
靠心理，因为其实一般人也挑战不了他的心理就已经输了；纳豆打球反过来的，1分
靠天赋，9分靠心理；所以我特喜欢看他俩打球，永远不知道谁会赢
【在 l********e 的大作中提到】
: 你这说的跟我说的不矛盾吧，既然都有坎，为啥他有bigger heart呢
| A**4
发帖数: 2165 | 22 Sao Paulo? hehe, it's really a big tournament, hah? I wonder if you know
this one before or just googled it.
When I started to play and watch tennis, indoor tour seemed to be always on
carpet, so I get the concept that carpet is as indoors. Yes it has been
changed in the past decade or so, therefore my concept on this one is not
updated.
I don't have the harbit of posting on the web.
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: E.g.:
: http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Tournaments/Sao-Paulo.aspx
: For more information on 分类，请到官网看一下选手的比赛纪录。
: 比如Joker:
: http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Top-Players/Novak-Dj
: 你可以数一下hard, clay, grass, carpet加一起是否等于outdoor +
: indoor，然后反思一下你对分类的理解是否有偏差。
: 通常从未打过rated match的爱好者的第一场比赛被surprise的可能性很大。
: 偶一般都是观察一个ID的谈吐一段时间之后才给出estimate，当然误差不可
: 避免。你没奔过网球，所以无从知晓你的网球水平。偶仅仅在评估你的网球
| K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 23 You asked for an example, so I gave you an example. If you want more,
here is a video featuring a guy you know:
Starting to watch tennis early doesn't mean your knowledge is adequate.
You might actually know less than you thought. No matter when you started
watching, indoor hard courts have been around for decades.
on
【在 A**4 的大作中提到】
: Sao Paulo? hehe, it's really a big tournament, hah? I wonder if you know
: this one before or just googled it.
: When I started to play and watch tennis, indoor tour seemed to be always on
: carpet, so I get the concept that carpet is as indoors. Yes it has been
: changed in the past decade or so, therefore my concept on this one is not
: updated.
: I don't have the harbit of posting on the web.
| i*********r
发帖数: 5101 | 24 唉，老肯老让人拿3.0说事儿，啥都能扯上，杯具呀。等明年老肯生了，看谁还感出来
炸刺。
it
be
【在 A**4 的大作中提到】
: Tell me which tournament is played on indoor clay? I may not notice, but it
: sounds weird.
: It's not a wise idea to underestimate others when people is only at 3.0
: level. I have never played in a tournament or being rated, while it would be
: suprise me if my level is as low as 3.0
| K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 25 偶是0.0, 从未注册过USTA.
AQ14么，从他的“2、3年都断不了一根线" （还是syn gut）的说法，能达到
3.0的机会也不大。
【在 i*********r 的大作中提到】
: 唉，老肯老让人拿3.0说事儿，啥都能扯上，杯具呀。等明年老肯生了，看谁还感出来
: 炸刺。
:
: it
: be
| A**4
发帖数: 2165 | 26 Using either example of a tournament most tennis fans doesn't care or even
know and now provide one with Davis Cup. You should know the difference
between ATP and Davis Cup. Davis cup could be played on indoor clay due to
the draw and the country. In this case, Switchland has to host in the winter
time and the country is small, so there is no proper out door condition.
That's why they chose indoor, and clay since since the serve is the strengh
for American players.
You never or rarely see an ATP event of indoor clay except in some really
bizarre situation. There is a reason why clay sean is always in spring, not
winter, right?
I started to watch and play since 89, so most indoor tournament were played
on carpet. I didn't know the WTF was played on carpet, since I didn't care
looking back for the courts information. As I said my knowledge on this one
was outdated. I never said it wasn't on carpet before, didn't I?
Being a web host doesn't prove that your comprehensive capability is
adequate either.
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: You asked for an example, so I gave you an example. If you want more,
: here is a video featuring a guy you know:
: Starting to watch tennis early doesn't mean your knowledge is adequate.
: You might actually know less than you thought. No matter when you started
: watching, indoor hard courts have been around for decades.
:
: on
| I*******t
发帖数: 1196 | 27 现今4大满贯和9站大师赛，人家非要跟你抬一个今年刚入室滴圣保罗250，hehe，
其实还应算上0.5 OR 0.X INDOOR GRASS， INDOOR 2/3 GRASS AND 1/3 CLAY...
孤陋是必然的， GOOGLE是必须D！
on
【在 A**4 的大作中提到】
: Sao Paulo? hehe, it's really a big tournament, hah? I wonder if you know
: this one before or just googled it.
: When I started to play and watch tennis, indoor tour seemed to be always on
: carpet, so I get the concept that carpet is as indoors. Yes it has been
: changed in the past decade or so, therefore my concept on this one is not
: updated.
: I don't have the harbit of posting on the web.
| K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 28 偶的point只不过是指出indoor也有clay给你看。现在你明白了，那就好了。
偶的第2段录像的目的是指出你即使89年开始看球，也应该知道indoor hard court
不等于indoor carpet court，而不是简单地认为indoor就是carpet. 这段录像是
在New York Madison Square Garden，1980年，硬地。
哦，碰巧偶也是89年开始看球的。
to
winter
strengh
not
【在 A**4 的大作中提到】
: Using either example of a tournament most tennis fans doesn't care or even
: know and now provide one with Davis Cup. You should know the difference
: between ATP and Davis Cup. Davis cup could be played on indoor clay due to
: the draw and the country. In this case, Switchland has to host in the winter
: time and the country is small, so there is no proper out door condition.
: That's why they chose indoor, and clay since since the serve is the strengh
: for American players.
: You never or rarely see an ATP event of indoor clay except in some really
: bizarre situation. There is a reason why clay sean is always in spring, not
: winter, right?
| K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 29 因为偶如果不列出这样的例子，有人就要认为网球比赛分为hard court, grass,
clay和indoor 4种。
【在 I*******t 的大作中提到】
: 现今4大满贯和9站大师赛，人家非要跟你抬一个今年刚入室滴圣保罗250，hehe，
: 其实还应算上0.5 OR 0.X INDOOR GRASS， INDOOR 2/3 GRASS AND 1/3 CLAY...
: 孤陋是必然的， GOOGLE是必须D！
:
: on
| A**4
发帖数: 2165 | 30 It's like a match against deep blue... hehe:)
【在 I*******t 的大作中提到】
: 现今4大满贯和9站大师赛，人家非要跟你抬一个今年刚入室滴圣保罗250，hehe，
: 其实还应算上0.5 OR 0.X INDOOR GRASS， INDOOR 2/3 GRASS AND 1/3 CLAY...
: 孤陋是必然的， GOOGLE是必须D！
:
: on
| | | A**4
发帖数: 2165 | 31 There are courts of half clay and half grass too. No one cares about result
in indoor clay, tell me any star player using record on indoor clay as a
reference of his achievement.
It seems you like to argue for the sick of arguement, since I have already
stated it clear that my concept on this need to be updated.
I thought you just start to play tennis for a few years, like Zhang Lao San
.
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: 偶的point只不过是指出indoor也有clay给你看。现在你明白了，那就好了。
: 偶的第2段录像的目的是指出你即使89年开始看球，也应该知道indoor hard court
: 不等于indoor carpet court，而不是简单地认为indoor就是carpet. 这段录像是
: 在New York Madison Square Garden，1980年，硬地。
: 哦，碰巧偶也是89年开始看球的。
:
: to
: winter
: strengh
: not
| K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 32 No, I played for close to 17 years. I am famous for being the slowest
improving player on the board.
result
San
【在 A**4 的大作中提到】
: There are courts of half clay and half grass too. No one cares about result
: in indoor clay, tell me any star player using record on indoor clay as a
: reference of his achievement.
: It seems you like to argue for the sick of arguement, since I have already
: stated it clear that my concept on this need to be updated.
: I thought you just start to play tennis for a few years, like Zhang Lao San
: .
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