s*****k
发帖数: 1630 | 1 There are many passionate Chinese players at recreational level in North America and some of them play almost every day. But very few reach 4.5 level. I was wondering what have prevented Chinese players from reaching higher level.
There should be more 4.5 Chinese players based on the tennis population. |
r*********x
发帖数: 3016 | 2 There are a lot 4.5+ chinese players. Almost every 4.5 team got 1 chinese
player.
【在 s*****k 的大作中提到】
: There are many passionate Chinese players at recreational level in North America and some of them play almost every day. But very few reach 4.5 level. I was wondering what have prevented Chinese players from reaching higher level.
: There should be more 4.5 Chinese players based on the tennis population.
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b**k
发帖数: 11850 | |
w******n
发帖数: 13172 | 4 偶就认识两个前大学校队的，都至少5.0
【在 s*****k 的大作中提到】
: There are many passionate Chinese players at recreational level in North America and some of them play almost every day. But very few reach 4.5 level. I was wondering what have prevented Chinese players from reaching higher level.
: There should be more 4.5 Chinese players based on the tennis population.
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a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 5 我以前也说过了,牛人都是扎堆的.如果你发现自己身边没有什么高手,那不是因为你自
己水平高,反而是水平低,没机会碰到高手.就象我一样,想扎牛人的堆,都不知道往哪里
扎,如果真的发现了堆,也不知道给不给扎... :(
【在 s*****k 的大作中提到】
: There are many passionate Chinese players at recreational level in North America and some of them play almost every day. But very few reach 4.5 level. I was wondering what have prevented Chinese players from reaching higher level.
: There should be more 4.5 Chinese players based on the tennis population.
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w******n
发帖数: 13172 | 6 不过说句实在话，wsn/v能打到5.0的机会微乎其微。4.5还有可能，但5.0几乎必须要系
统训练/比赛才行。偶认识的这两个都不是wsn/v。
【在 w******n 的大作中提到】
: 偶就认识两个前大学校队的，都至少5.0
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 7 CC, aTm, henry123, greyah, maybe you? |
w******n
发帖数: 13172 | 8 I don't see the logic between your request and my post. |
K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 9 His logic is against your claim "wsn/v打到4.5还有可能”。
He thinks it's not very 有可能。
【在 w******n 的大作中提到】
: I don't see the logic between your request and my post.
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w******n
发帖数: 13172 | 10 I only say "it might be possible". It's not against his "not very likely".
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: His logic is against your claim "wsn/v打到4.5还有可能”。
: He thinks it's not very 有可能。
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 11 Why do you have to play with Chinese? Even among immigrant asians
there should be plenty of 4.5's. Not too much culture gap there.
bad
lot |
c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 12 agree with this, if u have not started to play tennis before
18 y.o., maybe 4.5 is your limit, except you are extremely
talented, u can reach 5.0 to 5.5.
gets
bad
lot |
c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 13 unfortunately, that is a truth, Chinese players are relatively playing
in a lower level since the late start and limited time/energy to spend.
at a
only
here |
a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 14 How is ur racketlon going? @_@
【在 c****1 的大作中提到】
: unfortunately, that is a truth, Chinese players are relatively playing
: in a lower level since the late start and limited time/energy to spend.
:
: at a
: only
: here
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 15 too busy for traveling to play racketlon, 2010 is a year for me to
enjoy traveling... over 10 countries for sure.
【在 a*****3 的大作中提到】
: How is ur racketlon going? @_@
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r******n
发帖数: 1665 | 16 Can I say all university players are 4.5 and plus? You will find many 4.5+
Chinese players there.
In this forum, most are playing tennis for fun and received limited training
in the late 20's or even 30's. It is always difficult for adult players to
pass the 4.0 hurdle not mentioning 4.5.
However, we do have some good players in this forum like CC. I will not
count ATM as I never saw his ben. No ben no truth. And I will not count any
one whose form was not good even he is playing in a 4.5 league or 5.0+ who
cares.
【在 s*****k 的大作中提到】
: There are many passionate Chinese players at recreational level in North America and some of them play almost every day. But very few reach 4.5 level. I was wondering what have prevented Chinese players from reaching higher level.
: There should be more 4.5 Chinese players based on the tennis population.
|
a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 17 BSO! vely zan!
【在 c****1 的大作中提到】
: too busy for traveling to play racketlon, 2010 is a year for me to
: enjoy traveling... over 10 countries for sure.
|
r*********x
发帖数: 3016 | 18 Met a black guy recently. He started playing at 2008. He is 37 years old now
. Just got bumped to 4.5 by USTA in ESR this year. Unbeleiveable upper hand
under spin serve.
training
to
any
【在 r******n 的大作中提到】
: Can I say all university players are 4.5 and plus? You will find many 4.5+
: Chinese players there.
: In this forum, most are playing tennis for fun and received limited training
: in the late 20's or even 30's. It is always difficult for adult players to
: pass the 4.0 hurdle not mentioning 4.5.
: However, we do have some good players in this forum like CC. I will not
: count ATM as I never saw his ben. No ben no truth. And I will not count any
: one whose form was not good even he is playing in a 4.5 league or 5.0+ who
: cares.
|
K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 19 对aakk的当头一棒阿。
【在 r******n 的大作中提到】
: Can I say all university players are 4.5 and plus? You will find many 4.5+
: Chinese players there.
: In this forum, most are playing tennis for fun and received limited training
: in the late 20's or even 30's. It is always difficult for adult players to
: pass the 4.0 hurdle not mentioning 4.5.
: However, we do have some good players in this forum like CC. I will not
: count ATM as I never saw his ben. No ben no truth. And I will not count any
: one whose form was not good even he is playing in a 4.5 league or 5.0+ who
: cares.
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 20 tennis can serve underspin? never heard of it!
do u know how to serve underspin in pingpong? it's hard to imagine
to do the same in tennis.
now
hand
【在 r*********x 的大作中提到】
: Met a black guy recently. He started playing at 2008. He is 37 years old now
: . Just got bumped to 4.5 by USTA in ESR this year. Unbeleiveable upper hand
: under spin serve.
:
: training
: to
: any
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r*********x
发帖数: 3016 | 21 I don't believe it until I played with him. One of the most ugly serve I
have seen so far. But very effective. Note that he isn't using under hand
serve.
【在 c****1 的大作中提到】
: tennis can serve underspin? never heard of it!
: do u know how to serve underspin in pingpong? it's hard to imagine
: to do the same in tennis.
:
: now
: hand
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 22 please open our eyes by video taping it, love to see...
hand
【在 r*********x 的大作中提到】
: I don't believe it until I played with him. One of the most ugly serve I
: have seen so far. But very effective. Note that he isn't using under hand
: serve.
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s*****k
发帖数: 1630 | 23 My captain(MM) serves underspin + side spin.It is very easy.
【在 c****1 的大作中提到】
: tennis can serve underspin? never heard of it!
: do u know how to serve underspin in pingpong? it's hard to imagine
: to do the same in tennis.
:
: now
: hand
|
r******n
发帖数: 1665 | 24 In Flyinghao's recent serve Ben, he might serve with underspin as the
racquet face was open at the contact.
很多女选手的发球是不转的。或者是下旋。因为她们的racquet is open at the
contact.
【在 s*****k 的大作中提到】
: My captain(MM) serves underspin + side spin.It is very easy.
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a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 25 why ar? 身体派 doesn't care about 技术派 la.
To me, 4.5 is very possible and I am not sure 5.0 then. As 身体派, I really
don't care about 技术 too much. Sure 技术 can make you easy generate a lot
of power without good fitness. I completely agree on it. But in my opinion,
the fitness can also replace part of 技术. (note: I don't say all of 技术
here).
The key thing I am lack of now is the experience in playing with such
highhands. What I mean is because I don't play with 4.5 players often, I don
't get used to their speed (the person (running) and the ball speed) and
rythm. If I have chance to play with 4.5 or 5.0 players days and nights, I
am pretty sure I could compete with them without any problem since I already
adjust myself to their games.
I had a 4.5 partner once. His serve was the fastest one I have even seen. He
said he played with some 5.0 guys before. What he could rely on was his
serve to hold his own games. At the beginning, I got aced so many times and
even by his 2nd serve easily. His ground stroke was very amazing too. But
after I continued playing with him, I started to get used to his speed and
spin. Finally one day, I broke his serve! It took me quite a long time from
losing 0:6 to 6:7 and then winning a set.
Sure for 技术, I have a lot of things to improve. I even don't think my 技术
/form are in the 4.0 level yet. But the tennis game is not just 技术. Like I
said before, if it is just all about 技术, just put tennis as 表演赛. so
for me, 技术派 YY too much. The competitive tennis game is the whole package
the upper level. |
r*********x
发帖数: 3016 | 26 永恒的周精贴：华山气宗剑宗之争。
really
,
don
【在 a*****3 的大作中提到】
: why ar? 身体派 doesn't care about 技术派 la.
: To me, 4.5 is very possible and I am not sure 5.0 then. As 身体派, I really
: don't care about 技术 too much. Sure 技术 can make you easy generate a lot
: of power without good fitness. I completely agree on it. But in my opinion,
: the fitness can also replace part of 技术. (note: I don't say all of 技术
: here).
: The key thing I am lack of now is the experience in playing with such
: highhands. What I mean is because I don't play with 4.5 players often, I don
: 't get used to their speed (the person (running) and the ball speed) and
: rythm. If I have chance to play with 4.5 or 5.0 players days and nights, I
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r******n
发帖数: 1665 | 27 AK's form improved a lot since last year's Ben.
With one hand backhand, he can now hit both slice and top spin.
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: 对aakk的当头一棒阿。
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d****t
发帖数: 1284 | 28 身体派技术派的， 搞的跟华山剑宗气宗似的。
really
opinion,
don
I
【在 a*****3 的大作中提到】
: why ar? 身体派 doesn't care about 技术派 la.
: To me, 4.5 is very possible and I am not sure 5.0 then. As 身体派, I really
: don't care about 技术 too much. Sure 技术 can make you easy generate a lot
: of power without good fitness. I completely agree on it. But in my opinion,
: the fitness can also replace part of 技术. (note: I don't say all of 技术
: here).
: The key thing I am lack of now is the experience in playing with such
: highhands. What I mean is because I don't play with 4.5 players often, I don
: 't get used to their speed (the person (running) and the ball speed) and
: rythm. If I have chance to play with 4.5 or 5.0 players days and nights, I
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t****i
发帖数: 4225 | 29 AK, I am with you on this.
really
,
don
【在 a*****3 的大作中提到】
: why ar? 身体派 doesn't care about 技术派 la.
: To me, 4.5 is very possible and I am not sure 5.0 then. As 身体派, I really
: don't care about 技术 too much. Sure 技术 can make you easy generate a lot
: of power without good fitness. I completely agree on it. But in my opinion,
: the fitness can also replace part of 技术. (note: I don't say all of 技术
: here).
: The key thing I am lack of now is the experience in playing with such
: highhands. What I mean is because I don't play with 4.5 players often, I don
: 't get used to their speed (the person (running) and the ball speed) and
: rythm. If I have chance to play with 4.5 or 5.0 players days and nights, I
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r******n
发帖数: 1665 | |
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a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 31 Look around the tennis board. How many people are in 身体派? If I don't
speak up, no one will speak up for 身体派!
【在 r*********x 的大作中提到】
: 永恒的周精贴：华山气宗剑宗之争。
:
: really
: ,
: don
|
r******n
发帖数: 1665 | 32 说实话，到４.5＋身体技术缺一不可。
我是稀泥派 |
K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 33 气宗 is not only 身体派。radiometrix是另一种气宗，强调动作的优美
不是赢球的关键。
在偶看来任何非技术派都可以归为气宗。Basically fitness + mental派。
【在 a*****3 的大作中提到】
: Look around the tennis board. How many people are in 身体派? If I don't
: speak up, no one will speak up for 身体派!
|
a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 34 身体派从来没有b4过技术派,看我写的就知道了:
"... 技术 can make you easy generate a lot of power without good fitness. I completely agree on it. But in my opinion the fitness can also replace part of 技术. (note: I don't say all of 技术 here)..."
"...The competitive tennis game is the whole package: 技术, fitness, mental.
"
技术派b4身体派的例子就多了去了~~
【在 r******n 的大作中提到】
: 说实话，到４.5＋身体技术缺一不可。
: 我是稀泥派
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s*****k
发帖数: 1630 | 35 有道理，如果不到4.5， 要么身体不行，要么技术不行，偶是两样都不行。:(
【在 r******n 的大作中提到】
: 说实话，到４.5＋身体技术缺一不可。
: 我是稀泥派
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 36 华丽的省去了mental.
【在 s*****k 的大作中提到】
: 有道理，如果不到4.5， 要么身体不行，要么技术不行，偶是两样都不行。:(
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a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 37 That is why I so admire you la.
You have so many highhand partners!
【在 t****i 的大作中提到】
: AK, I am with you on this.
:
: really
: ,
: don
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a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 38 You should put my post to my folder. It is one of the disclaimers from 身体
派掌门!
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: 华丽的省去了mental.
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S****u
发帖数: 597 | 39 according to your logic together with his arguments
only wsn/v come to BBS
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: His logic is against your claim "wsn/v打到4.5还有可能”。
: He thinks it's not very 有可能。
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r******n
发帖数: 1665 | 40 靠。原来是岳不群啊。绕了一大圈来抢五岳盟主的位置的。
【在 a*****3 的大作中提到】
: You should put my post to my folder. It is one of the disclaimers from 身体
: 派掌门!
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 41 That is actually very reasonable, hehe.
【在 S****u 的大作中提到】
: according to your logic together with his arguments
: only wsn/v come to BBS
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a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 42 huh? Is it well-known that I am 身体派掌门? I have no interest in anything
of 技术派 la. So don't get me wrong.
【在 r******n 的大作中提到】
: 靠。原来是岳不群啊。绕了一大圈来抢五岳盟主的位置的。
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v***s
发帖数: 1893 | 43 don't forget me.
【在 a*****3 的大作中提到】
: Look around the tennis board. How many people are in 身体派? If I don't
: speak up, no one will speak up for 身体派!
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r******n
发帖数: 1665 | 44 You are known to be 身体派 but not known to be 掌门
级别差异很大噢。不要偷换概念 |
K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 45 You are 器材派掌门人。代表作3大公式。
【在 v***s 的大作中提到】
: don't forget me.
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a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 46 I am really the 掌门 la.
Who is 掌门 if you think I am not the one? @_@
【在 r******n 的大作中提到】
: You are known to be 身体派 but not known to be 掌门
: 级别差异很大噢。不要偷换概念
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v***s
发帖数: 1893 | 47 No, No. that happens after I have two heat stokes in a row.
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: You are 器材派掌门人。代表作3大公式。
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a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 48 Really? When did you join without letting 掌门 know? @_@
【在 v***s 的大作中提到】
: don't forget me.
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s*****k
发帖数: 1630 | 49 I don't think many 4.5+ are very interested in helping lower-level players
to improve their games unless you find a 4.5 单反MM。 :)))
really
,
don
【在 a*****3 的大作中提到】
: why ar? 身体派 doesn't care about 技术派 la.
: To me, 4.5 is very possible and I am not sure 5.0 then. As 身体派, I really
: don't care about 技术 too much. Sure 技术 can make you easy generate a lot
: of power without good fitness. I completely agree on it. But in my opinion,
: the fitness can also replace part of 技术. (note: I don't say all of 技术
: here).
: The key thing I am lack of now is the experience in playing with such
: highhands. What I mean is because I don't play with 4.5 players often, I don
: 't get used to their speed (the person (running) and the ball speed) and
: rythm. If I have chance to play with 4.5 or 5.0 players days and nights, I
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v***s
发帖数: 1893 | 50 if I let you know, I am afraid that you won't let me join.
【在 a*****3 的大作中提到】
: Really? When did you join without letting 掌门 know? @_@
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a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 51 sure. this is a chicken&egg issue.
【在 s*****k 的大作中提到】
: I don't think many 4.5+ are very interested in helping lower-level players
: to improve their games unless you find a 4.5 单反MM。 :)))
:
: really
: ,
: don
|
a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 52 haha... basically it opens to everyone even though I know you are not 真心 :)
【在 v***s 的大作中提到】
: if I let you know, I am afraid that you won't let me join.
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S****u
发帖数: 597 | 53 i need to think about that ...
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: That is actually very reasonable, hehe.
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S****u
发帖数: 597 | 54 what happens to 身体派 after age 40? @.@
【在 a*****3 的大作中提到】
: huh? Is it well-known that I am 身体派掌门? I have no interest in anything
: of 技术派 la. So don't get me wrong.
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v***s
发帖数: 1893 | 55 of course, I didn't commit that much as fish did.
but I did try to run as much as I can until heat stroke.
:)
【在 a*****3 的大作中提到】
: haha... basically it opens to everyone even though I know you are not 真心 :)
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a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 56 That is exactly I join or start 身体派!
Without or with less fitness training, 技术派 would 萎 very quickly when
aging.
For 身体派, so many old men are still running strong in marathon or
triathlon!
【在 S****u 的大作中提到】
: what happens to 身体派 after age 40? @.@
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b*******s
发帖数: 1175 | 57 100% agree with AK. 和别人打球，大多数输了都说他们体力不行才输了 without
admitting 体力 is part of the tennis game:). |
s*****k
发帖数: 1630 | 58 说体力不行都是为技术不行找借口，说体力不行比承认技术不行有面子。
【在 b*******s 的大作中提到】
: 100% agree with AK. 和别人打球，大多数输了都说他们体力不行才输了 without
: admitting 体力 is part of the tennis game:).
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S****u
发帖数: 597 | 59 haha good point
【在 a*****3 的大作中提到】
: That is exactly I join or start 身体派!
: Without or with less fitness training, 技术派 would 萎 very quickly when
: aging.
: For 身体派, so many old men are still running strong in marathon or
: triathlon!
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S****u
发帖数: 597 | 60 that's just excuse
they can choose to stop running and hit a winner
【在 b*******s 的大作中提到】
: 100% agree with AK. 和别人打球，大多数输了都说他们体力不行才输了 without
: admitting 体力 is part of the tennis game:).
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a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 61 女的还好办.找个男的3.5/4.0就可以了.
【在 s*****k 的大作中提到】
: I don't think many 4.5+ are very interested in helping lower-level players
: to improve their games unless you find a 4.5 单反MM。 :)))
:
: really
: ,
: don
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b**k
发帖数: 11850 | 62 nod
见过不少这样发球的女子
【在 s*****k 的大作中提到】
: My captain(MM) serves underspin + side spin.It is very easy.
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b**k
发帖数: 11850 | 63 40根本不算什么，60再担忧吧
【在 S****u 的大作中提到】
: what happens to 身体派 after age 40? @.@
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s*****k
发帖数: 1630 | 64 陪练水平高也不能帮你达到4.5, 不然tenfei也不用请教练了。
【在 a*****3 的大作中提到】
: 女的还好办.找个男的3.5/4.0就可以了.
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a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 65 这要看人了.对我来说已经足够.tenfei的目标是5.0.
【在 s*****k 的大作中提到】
: 陪练水平高也不能帮你达到4.5, 不然tenfei也不用请教练了。
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s*****k
发帖数: 1630 | 66 什么足够了？
到5.0之前不先要到4.5嘛～
【在 a*****3 的大作中提到】
: 这要看人了.对我来说已经足够.tenfei的目标是5.0.
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a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 67 我在 http://www.mitbbs.com/article/Tennis/31451935_0.html 已经说了呀,对我来说,其实缺的是与高手交手的经验,一旦对他们的球速习惯了,就没问题了,所以对我来说有高手陪练就足够到4.5了.我根本没去想5.0.
【在 s*****k 的大作中提到】
: 什么足够了？
: 到5.0之前不先要到4.5嘛～
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s*****k
发帖数: 1630 | 68 和高手交手可以发现问题，即便你习惯了高手的球速，可又怎么解决自己发球面的问题呢？
【在 a*****3 的大作中提到】
: 我在 http://www.mitbbs.com/article/Tennis/31451935_0.html 已经说了呀,对我来说,其实缺的是与高手交手的经验,一旦对他们的球速习惯了,就没问题了,所以对我来说有高手陪练就足够到4.5了.我根本没去想5.0.
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a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 69 ?_?
【在 s*****k 的大作中提到】
: 和高手交手可以发现问题，即便你习惯了高手的球速，可又怎么解决自己发球面的问题呢？
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s*****k
发帖数: 1630 | |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 71 What do you mean by "very few"? Is it possible that this could be
biased by your observation?
Also what's your definition of "Chinese"?
America and some of them play almost every day. But very few reach 4.5 level
. I was wondering what have prevented Chinese players from reaching higher
level.
【在 s*****k 的大作中提到】
: There are many passionate Chinese players at recreational level in North America and some of them play almost every day. But very few reach 4.5 level. I was wondering what have prevented Chinese players from reaching higher level.
: There should be more 4.5 Chinese players based on the tennis population.
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a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 72 解决自己发球面的问题就是另外一个问题了.跟4.5没有直接关系
- 发球好不代表能到4.5
- 发球不好不代表不能到4.5
我说过了,网球这玩意是看whole package的,光看技术,我永远是2.5~~
题呢？
【在 s*****k 的大作中提到】
: 和高手交手可以发现问题，即便你习惯了高手的球速，可又怎么解决自己发球面的问题呢？
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s***i
发帖数: 6149 | 73 你这个问题比较无聊，也比较主观，主贴一开始还什么都没有，大家宁愿相信你是来挖
坑的，所以更没人稀得回答
【在 s*****k 的大作中提到】
: 不跑题可真难啊，目前为止还没一个贴回答问题。
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s*****k
发帖数: 1630 | 74 - 发球好不代表能到4.5 --同意
- 发球不好不代表不能到4.5-- 发球不好非常难能达到4.5, 当然例外总是存在的。
反正偶不同意和高手交交手,有了和高手交手的经验就能达到4.5, 达到4.0可以，达到4
.5以上可能性就很小。
同意网球是whole package，技术与体能都不能少。
【在 a*****3 的大作中提到】
: 解决自己发球面的问题就是另外一个问题了.跟4.5没有直接关系
: - 发球好不代表能到4.5
: - 发球不好不代表不能到4.5
: 我说过了,网球这玩意是看whole package的,光看技术,我永远是2.5~~
:
: 题呢？
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 75 radiometrix发过PNW区4.5总决赛的单打录像。其中有一个人的发球跟aakk123
一样弱。其groundstrokes明显强 though.
到4
【在 s*****k 的大作中提到】
: - 发球好不代表能到4.5 --同意
: - 发球不好不代表不能到4.5-- 发球不好非常难能达到4.5, 当然例外总是存在的。
: 反正偶不同意和高手交交手,有了和高手交手的经验就能达到4.5, 达到4.0可以，达到4
: .5以上可能性就很小。
: 同意网球是whole package，技术与体能都不能少。
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a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 76 其实我们俩的意见没什么冲突,只不过是
我是理智的身体派 - 技术差一点没关系,靠身体补足.
你是理智的技术派 - 技术一定要好,但不否定也靠一定的身体.
许多人也不看好我在4.0能立足呀,其实打起来也就是那么回事,只是跑多一点,跑久一点
.相同的,虽然4.5比4.0要高不少,但其实业余的都差不多,等我体能和速度再上一个等级
了,4.5的球照样可以追回来,没什么大不了的~~
到4
【在 s*****k 的大作中提到】
: - 发球好不代表能到4.5 --同意
: - 发球不好不代表不能到4.5-- 发球不好非常难能达到4.5, 当然例外总是存在的。
: 反正偶不同意和高手交交手,有了和高手交手的经验就能达到4.5, 达到4.0可以，达到4
: .5以上可能性就很小。
: 同意网球是whole package，技术与体能都不能少。
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t****i
发帖数: 4225 | 77 I prefer to have both 技术 and 身体.
AK, a question for you, see if you have a solution. I played last night with one
of my partners, he is black and very atheletic. He is a solid 4.5. The
shot I hate most is his cross court forehand, very flat and wide angle (
usually lands at the serve box corner). The ball does not bounce high, and
always flys out of the court quickly. A lot of times I know he will hit
that kind of shot, but I just don't have enough time to react, because he
hits the ball so early on the rise and borrows a lot of pace from my stroke.
So what will you do?
【在 a*****3 的大作中提到】
: 其实我们俩的意见没什么冲突,只不过是
: 我是理智的身体派 - 技术差一点没关系,靠身体补足.
: 你是理智的技术派 - 技术一定要好,但不否定也靠一定的身体.
: 许多人也不看好我在4.0能立足呀,其实打起来也就是那么回事,只是跑多一点,跑久一点
: .相同的,虽然4.5比4.0要高不少,但其实业余的都差不多,等我体能和速度再上一个等级
: 了,4.5的球照样可以追回来,没什么大不了的~~
:
: 到4
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 78 Hit to his backhand. So easy even a caveman can think of.
with one
and
stroke.
【在 t****i 的大作中提到】
: I prefer to have both 技术 and 身体.
: AK, a question for you, see if you have a solution. I played last night with one
: of my partners, he is black and very atheletic. He is a solid 4.5. The
: shot I hate most is his cross court forehand, very flat and wide angle (
: usually lands at the serve box corner). The ball does not bounce high, and
: always flys out of the court quickly. A lot of times I know he will hit
: that kind of shot, but I just don't have enough time to react, because he
: hits the ball so early on the rise and borrows a lot of pace from my stroke.
: So what will you do?
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y********o
发帖数: 2565 | 79
Well, I think service has a lot to do with
the level rating. It is very hard to envision
a 4.0+ player with 2.0 service. I read something
some time ago which says if you don't serve well,
you are a beginner. It doesn't matter how good your
ground strokes are.
【在 a*****3 的大作中提到】
: 解决自己发球面的问题就是另外一个问题了.跟4.5没有直接关系
: - 发球好不代表能到4.5
: - 发球不好不代表不能到4.5
: 我说过了,网球这玩意是看whole package的,光看技术,我永远是2.5~~
:
: 题呢？
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y********o
发帖数: 2565 | 80 Practice and get coached. There are no shortcuts.
题呢？
【在 s*****k 的大作中提到】
: 和高手交手可以发现问题，即便你习惯了高手的球速，可又怎么解决自己发球面的问题呢？
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t****i
发帖数: 4225 | 81 i forgot to mention that his backhand can do the same, and I am usually good
at defending my backhand side for this kind of shot because I can use
backhand slice effectly. Maybe I should start practicing forehand slice.
This guy only hits tennis with his arm, so almost 0 from lower body and
waist. So it makes too difficult to read his shots. He barely generates
his own pace, and always use the pace from his opponent. He is so good at
taking the ball early on the rise, so that also takes a split second away
from you.
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: Hit to his backhand. So easy even a caveman can think of.
:
: with one
: and
: stroke.
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w******n
发帖数: 13172 | 82 if he can easily kill you on both forehand and backhand, the only choice you
have is either going to the net yourself or draw him to the net
good
【在 t****i 的大作中提到】
: i forgot to mention that his backhand can do the same, and I am usually good
: at defending my backhand side for this kind of shot because I can use
: backhand slice effectly. Maybe I should start practicing forehand slice.
: This guy only hits tennis with his arm, so almost 0 from lower body and
: waist. So it makes too difficult to read his shots. He barely generates
: his own pace, and always use the pace from his opponent. He is so good at
: taking the ball early on the rise, so that also takes a split second away
: from you.
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s*****k
发帖数: 1630 | 83 Do nothing...just pray...the ball will sail out. :D
with one
and
stroke.
【在 t****i 的大作中提到】
: I prefer to have both 技术 and 身体.
: AK, a question for you, see if you have a solution. I played last night with one
: of my partners, he is black and very atheletic. He is a solid 4.5. The
: shot I hate most is his cross court forehand, very flat and wide angle (
: usually lands at the serve box corner). The ball does not bounce high, and
: always flys out of the court quickly. A lot of times I know he will hit
: that kind of shot, but I just don't have enough time to react, because he
: hits the ball so early on the rise and borrows a lot of pace from my stroke.
: So what will you do?
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 84 Unfortunately, dude, sounds like you are overpowered...
good
【在 t****i 的大作中提到】
: i forgot to mention that his backhand can do the same, and I am usually good
: at defending my backhand side for this kind of shot because I can use
: backhand slice effectly. Maybe I should start practicing forehand slice.
: This guy only hits tennis with his arm, so almost 0 from lower body and
: waist. So it makes too difficult to read his shots. He barely generates
: his own pace, and always use the pace from his opponent. He is so good at
: taking the ball early on the rise, so that also takes a split second away
: from you.
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t****i
发帖数: 4225 | 85 yeah, I tried and both worked sometimes. Another way to win points from him
is to hit powerful strokes and force him to make errors, because this guy
never steps back no matter how deep the ball is coming to him. He is always
on the baseline, that's the part I feel amazed about him.
anyway, my question is not how to win him. The question is how to put that
kind of shot (mentioned previously) back to the court.
you
【在 w******n 的大作中提到】
: if he can easily kill you on both forehand and backhand, the only choice you
: have is either going to the net yourself or draw him to the net
:
: good
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 86 I thought you could do reverse forehand?
him
always
that
【在 t****i 的大作中提到】
: yeah, I tried and both worked sometimes. Another way to win points from him
: is to hit powerful strokes and force him to make errors, because this guy
: never steps back no matter how deep the ball is coming to him. He is always
: on the baseline, that's the part I feel amazed about him.
: anyway, my question is not how to win him. The question is how to put that
: kind of shot (mentioned previously) back to the court.
:
: you
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t****i
发帖数: 4225 | 87 yeah, but the problem is that I don't have the time and speed to get to the
ball. I don't think I am that slow on the court, but certainly slow for
that kind of shot. That's why I ask AK if he can do it.
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: I thought you could do reverse forehand?
:
: him
: always
: that
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a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 88 Nothing new la. If the serve can define the level completely, then it is
very simple. Everyone just needs to stand at the baseline then serve! USTA
will give you the level according to your form, ball speed, angle and etc.
Like I said before, if tennis game is just about technique, then change it
to 表演赛.
Again, don't get me wrong. I didn't say serve or any technique is nothing. I
have to improve it for sure. But, for sure, it is just part of tennis game,
not the whole one.
【在 y********o 的大作中提到】
: Practice and get coached. There are no shortcuts.
:
: 题呢？
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h****z
发帖数: 2009 | 89 moonball him ...
good
【在 t****i 的大作中提到】
: i forgot to mention that his backhand can do the same, and I am usually good
: at defending my backhand side for this kind of shot because I can use
: backhand slice effectly. Maybe I should start practicing forehand slice.
: This guy only hits tennis with his arm, so almost 0 from lower body and
: waist. So it makes too difficult to read his shots. He barely generates
: his own pace, and always use the pace from his opponent. He is so good at
: taking the ball early on the rise, so that also takes a split second away
: from you.
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 90 He did it at least twice in the JudieYan video. His form was
neither running forehand nor reverse forehand though. Since he
is lefty, this only happened when Judie hit backhand cross court
or forehand inside out to him.
the
【在 t****i 的大作中提到】
: yeah, but the problem is that I don't have the time and speed to get to the
: ball. I don't think I am that slow on the court, but certainly slow for
: that kind of shot. That's why I ask AK if he can do it.
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t****i
发帖数: 4225 | 91 dude, you haven't got it. It is not about power. In face, I hit more
powerful than he does. The thing is that he uses my pace and take a lot of
time from me by hitting on the rise. He hits only with his arm so that it
makes more difficult to read his shots. I would say it is more challenging
to play with him than danfan mm.
To quickly recover and get ready for the next shot is something I need to
improve drastically to against him.
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: Unfortunately, dude, sounds like you are overpowered...
:
: good
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 92 Then I aglee with harryz, moonball him. It will give you plenty of
time to recover.
of
challenging
【在 t****i 的大作中提到】
: dude, you haven't got it. It is not about power. In face, I hit more
: powerful than he does. The thing is that he uses my pace and take a lot of
: time from me by hitting on the rise. He hits only with his arm so that it
: makes more difficult to read his shots. I would say it is more challenging
: to play with him than danfan mm.
: To quickly recover and get ready for the next shot is something I need to
: improve drastically to against him.
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t****i
发帖数: 4225 | 93 yeah, but I am talking about faster wide angle shots, and the ball does not
even bounce higher than your knees.
Backhand side, I am ok, because I can always slice. Also, I learnd to run
forward to cut some angle on the backhand side, but this hasn't happened to
my forehand side yet.
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: He did it at least twice in the JudieYan video. His form was
: neither running forehand nor reverse forehand though. Since he
: is lefty, this only happened when Judie hit backhand cross court
: or forehand inside out to him.
:
: the
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s*****k
发帖数: 1630 | 94 握手握手。。。
你的体能够打5.0了，现在就差针对性的技术训练了先到4.5了。技术上去了比如发球，
也能节省不少体能的。
【在 a*****3 的大作中提到】
: 其实我们俩的意见没什么冲突,只不过是
: 我是理智的身体派 - 技术差一点没关系,靠身体补足.
: 你是理智的技术派 - 技术一定要好,但不否定也靠一定的身体.
: 许多人也不看好我在4.0能立足呀,其实打起来也就是那么回事,只是跑多一点,跑久一点
: .相同的,虽然4.5比4.0要高不少,但其实业余的都差不多,等我体能和速度再上一个等级
: 了,4.5的球照样可以追回来,没什么大不了的~~
:
: 到4
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 95 aakk123 hit the ball when it was almost on the ground. 0.5 second
later it would have bounced twice.
And more amazingly, he hit it cross court.
not
to
【在 t****i 的大作中提到】
: yeah, but I am talking about faster wide angle shots, and the ball does not
: even bounce higher than your knees.
: Backhand side, I am ok, because I can always slice. Also, I learnd to run
: forward to cut some angle on the backhand side, but this hasn't happened to
: my forehand side yet.
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t****i
发帖数: 4225 | 96 when there were times I got to the ball, I can only do running forehand and
I was almost pulled wide on the adjacent court. But many times I just could
not get to the ball.
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: Then I aglee with harryz, moonball him. It will give you plenty of
: time to recover.
:
: of
: challenging
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a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 97 sigh, 我今年的11胜3负记录中,3负全都是你说的这种:
一个是"win some loss some",全部用反手slice到我的wild angle正手.
一个是复仇之战中,全部用反手和正手又低又平地到我的wild angle正手.
一个是playoff中,暴力正手inside out到我的wild angle正手.
其实我也没什么好方法,复仇之战中的对手,我第二次碰他时,就是特意改变打法,球球都一定要压着他打,不能给他有轻松打大角度的机会,这样才有机会.其他两个对手我都没机会再碰面.基本上就是,尽量给对手压力,这样对手想打大角度也没那么容易.要不就drop shot引他上网,然后一拍子买卖了~~
the
【在 t****i 的大作中提到】
: yeah, but I am talking about faster wide angle shots, and the ball does not
: even bounce higher than your knees.
: Backhand side, I am ok, because I can always slice. Also, I learnd to run
: forward to cut some angle on the backhand side, but this hasn't happened to
: my forehand side yet.
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t****i
发帖数: 4225 | 98 yeah, I need AK's speed.
Where is AK? he has not come to answer my question!!!
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: aakk123 hit the ball when it was almost on the ground. 0.5 second
: later it would have bounced twice.
: And more amazingly, he hit it cross court.
:
: not
: to
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e*******e
发帖数: 9616 | 99 美国highschool的校队选手算几级？
美国College的校队选手算几级？
每个级别，比如说３／４／５级啥的有没有region/state/national seed(种子选手)？
业余最高级别是几级？
【在 s*****k 的大作中提到】
: 握手握手。。。
: 你的体能够打5.0了，现在就差针对性的技术训练了先到4.5了。技术上去了比如发球，
: 也能节省不少体能的。
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 100 Not to ask you to do moonball to save yourself from the cross court,
but the strokes before that -- if you hit moonballs consistently,
he has much lower chance to be able to pull you out of position.
With his pace of ball, you are only out of position if you don't
stand in the middle of possible angle range to wait for the ball.
If you hit moonballs, you will always have time to stand at the
perfect location to wait for the next ball.
and
could
【在 t****i 的大作中提到】
: when there were times I got to the ball, I can only do running forehand and
: I was almost pulled wide on the adjacent court. But many times I just could
: not get to the ball.
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|
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s*****k
发帖数: 1630 | 101 Actually taking lessons is the shortcut though it is not the cheapest way.
【在 y********o 的大作中提到】
: Practice and get coached. There are no shortcuts.
:
: 题呢？
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t****i
发帖数: 4225 | 102 That's an option. but I don't know how to hit moonballs, //sigh, :(
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: Not to ask you to do moonball to save yourself from the cross court,
: but the strokes before that -- if you hit moonballs consistently,
: he has much lower chance to be able to pull you out of position.
: With his pace of ball, you are only out of position if you don't
: stand in the middle of possible angle range to wait for the ball.
: If you hit moonballs, you will always have time to stand at the
: perfect location to wait for the next ball.
:
: and
: could
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a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 103 因为你在AK伤口上撒盐,让AK想起伤心往事,AK在墙角内牛满面ing...
【在 t****i 的大作中提到】
: yeah, I need AK's speed.
: Where is AK? he has not come to answer my question!!!
|
h****z
发帖数: 2009 | 104 I was assuming his opponent won't handle soft balls well. But since he is
solid 4.5, probably he will kill that easily.
I agree with AK, give him more pressure, hit wider angle, change direction
first, slice and topspin combined...
I have an opponent I lost the last 3 sets 6:1, he was just like that, hit
front court wide angle, close to the line...
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: Not to ask you to do moonball to save yourself from the cross court,
: but the strokes before that -- if you hit moonballs consistently,
: he has much lower chance to be able to pull you out of position.
: With his pace of ball, you are only out of position if you don't
: stand in the middle of possible angle range to wait for the ball.
: If you hit moonballs, you will always have time to stand at the
: perfect location to wait for the next ball.
:
: and
: could
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 105
Varies by a huge range. Usually 3.0-5.5.
Varies by a big range. Usually 4.0-6.0.
No. There is only one seeding system, i.e., low level players have
no chance to be seeded. However, in USTA tournaments, there will
be seeded players in each tournament and the tournament can be at
3.0, 3.5, 4.0 etc level.
5.5.
6.0, 6.5 and 7.0 are not official levels.
【在 e*******e 的大作中提到】
: 美国highschool的校队选手算几级？
: 美国College的校队选手算几级？
: 每个级别，比如说３／４／５级啥的有没有region/state/national seed(种子选手)？
: 业余最高级别是几级？
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 106 tenfei described his opponent as "hits with arm only", "has slower
pace than me", "extremely good at borrow pace from the opponent".
【在 h****z 的大作中提到】
: I was assuming his opponent won't handle soft balls well. But since he is
: solid 4.5, probably he will kill that easily.
: I agree with AK, give him more pressure, hit wider angle, change direction
: first, slice and topspin combined...
: I have an opponent I lost the last 3 sets 6:1, he was just like that, hit
: front court wide angle, close to the line...
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t****i
发帖数: 4225 | 107 是的，这种球很不好接，又低又平，角度还很刁，都得冲刺的跑过去，击倒球了，人都
已经离球场好几米，还得
拼命跑回来回位。
以前有两个搭档跟我打对角打角度正手，有好几次我都跑到位打出更大角度的对角斜线
winner，但这种事情还没
发生在这个黑哥们上，主要还是这哥们球太低太平。
都一定要压着他打,不能给他
有轻松打大角度的机会,这样才有机会.其他两个对手我都没机会再碰面.基本上就是,尽
量给对手压力,这样对手想打
大角度也没那么容易.要不就drop shot引他上网,然后一拍子买卖了~~
【在 a*****3 的大作中提到】
: sigh, 我今年的11胜3负记录中,3负全都是你说的这种:
: 一个是"win some loss some",全部用反手slice到我的wild angle正手.
: 一个是复仇之战中,全部用反手和正手又低又平地到我的wild angle正手.
: 一个是playoff中,暴力正手inside out到我的wild angle正手.
: 其实我也没什么好方法,复仇之战中的对手,我第二次碰他时,就是特意改变打法,球球都一定要压着他打,不能给他有轻松打大角度的机会,这样才有机会.其他两个对手我都没机会再碰面.基本上就是,尽量给对手压力,这样对手想打大角度也没那么容易.要不就drop shot引他上网,然后一拍子买卖了~~
:
: the
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t****i
发帖数: 4225 | 108 he does not generate more pace than I do, but does not mean he cann't
generate power. I think his best is at borrow pace from the opponent and
hit the ball so early on the rise.
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: tenfei described his opponent as "hits with arm only", "has slower
: pace than me", "extremely good at borrow pace from the opponent".
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b**k
发帖数: 11850 | 109 男子4.5底线高压拍得都是很狠的，哪儿可能给你连续moonball。
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: Not to ask you to do moonball to save yourself from the cross court,
: but the strokes before that -- if you hit moonballs consistently,
: he has much lower chance to be able to pull you out of position.
: With his pace of ball, you are only out of position if you don't
: stand in the middle of possible angle range to wait for the ball.
: If you hit moonballs, you will always have time to stand at the
: perfect location to wait for the next ball.
:
: and
: could
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b**k
发帖数: 11850 | 110 hate to say that, but he's just better than you. |
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t****i
发帖数: 4225 | 111 I agree. I have found it effective to hit the ball really deep and vary
slice and topspin to play with him. Wide angle shots are not that effect on
him, unless they are very deep. Because he moves very well side by side,
but he almost never moves backwards. I kept telling him to move backwards
when the balls are deep. but you know what, he does not do that because he
is just so good at taking the ball early on the rise.
【在 h****z 的大作中提到】
: I was assuming his opponent won't handle soft balls well. But since he is
: solid 4.5, probably he will kill that easily.
: I agree with AK, give him more pressure, hit wider angle, change direction
: first, slice and topspin combined...
: I have an opponent I lost the last 3 sets 6:1, he was just like that, hit
: front court wide angle, close to the line...
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a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 112 没错呀,如果对方能打出这样的球,基本上就是靠速度,如果你冲上去后还有时间,那选择就多了,直线winner,放小球,回个大角度网前...关键时,许多时候能追的上就不错了,这时候,即使pro,也没什么方法,也是很gambling地hit个winner,赌一把~~
所以,最好的不是在它发生后怎么样,而是如何阻止它发生.就是game plan了.我之所以能报仇,就是赛前特别想了个game plan来对付他,算是屎无前例了~~
【在 t****i 的大作中提到】
: 是的，这种球很不好接，又低又平，角度还很刁，都得冲刺的跑过去，击倒球了，人都
: 已经离球场好几米，还得
: 拼命跑回来回位。
: 以前有两个搭档跟我打对角打角度正手，有好几次我都跑到位打出更大角度的对角斜线
: winner，但这种事情还没
: 发生在这个黑哥们上，主要还是这哥们球太低太平。
:
: 都一定要压着他打,不能给他
: 有轻松打大角度的机会,这样才有机会.其他两个对手我都没机会再碰面.基本上就是,尽
: 量给对手压力,这样对手想打
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 113 Not that kind of moonball, just regular high trajectory topspin.
【在 b**k 的大作中提到】
: 男子4.5底线高压拍得都是很狠的，哪儿可能给你连续moonball。
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t****i
发帖数: 4225 | 114 yeah, he is. For now, a quick recovery and reaction time should be enough
to hang with him in the game.
have
【在 b**k 的大作中提到】
: hate to say that, but he's just better than you.
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t****i
发帖数: 4225 | 115 agree, need to force him out of his comfort zone. For this guy, I try to
hit deep, and he will have problem to return consistently.
择就多了,直线winner,放小球,回个大角度网前...关键时,许多时候能追的上就不错了,
这时候,即使pro,也没什么方法,也是很gambling地hit个winner,赌一把~~
以能报仇,就是赛前特别想了个game plan来对付他,算是屎无前例了~~
【在 a*****3 的大作中提到】
: 没错呀,如果对方能打出这样的球,基本上就是靠速度,如果你冲上去后还有时间,那选择就多了,直线winner,放小球,回个大角度网前...关键时,许多时候能追的上就不错了,这时候,即使pro,也没什么方法,也是很gambling地hit个winner,赌一把~~
: 所以,最好的不是在它发生后怎么样,而是如何阻止它发生.就是game plan了.我之所以能报仇,就是赛前特别想了个game plan来对付他,算是屎无前例了~~
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a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 116 now, you got an initial game plan. Just think more details about it. Once
you have it in mind, you will feel confidence to beat him and be very eager
to meet him again to execute your plan.
This is one of key differences for me between the practice match and real
match.
In the practice match, I don't care win or loss. Normally I even use my
weakness against my opponents so that I could improve myself.
In the real match, it is all about how to win. I have to use my strength and
execute my game plan to do whatever it takes to get a win.
了,
【在 t****i 的大作中提到】
: agree, need to force him out of his comfort zone. For this guy, I try to
: hit deep, and he will have problem to return consistently.
:
: 择就多了,直线winner,放小球,回个大角度网前...关键时,许多时候能追的上就不错了,
: 这时候,即使pro,也没什么方法,也是很gambling地hit个winner,赌一把~~
: 以能报仇,就是赛前特别想了个game plan来对付他,算是屎无前例了~~
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 117 tenfei never plays matches so he cares more about how to hit a
cross court forehand winner by returning a cross court forehand
almost-winner...
eager
and
【在 a*****3 的大作中提到】
: now, you got an initial game plan. Just think more details about it. Once
: you have it in mind, you will feel confidence to beat him and be very eager
: to meet him again to execute your plan.
: This is one of key differences for me between the practice match and real
: match.
: In the practice match, I don't care win or loss. Normally I even use my
: weakness against my opponents so that I could improve myself.
: In the real match, it is all about how to win. I have to use my strength and
: execute my game plan to do whatever it takes to get a win.
:
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t****i
发帖数: 4225 | 118 想想也是，为什么很多选手都跟不上狒狒的节奏，因为他击球点实在是太早了，抢走了
很多时间。
我跟这哥们打球有个问题就是很难判断他的球的方向和落点，原因之一就是他击球点很
早，都没来得及判断，二
是他都是用胳膊去击球，整个身体基本不到，也导致不容易判断。 跟单反mm还有别人
打就没这个问题。
择就多了,直线winner,放小球,
回个大角度网前...关键时,许多时候能追的上就不错了,这时候,即使pro,也没什么方法
,也是很gambling地hit个
winner,赌一把~~
以能报仇,就是赛前特别想了
个game plan来对付他,算是屎无前例了~~
【在 a*****3 的大作中提到】
: 没错呀,如果对方能打出这样的球,基本上就是靠速度,如果你冲上去后还有时间,那选择就多了,直线winner,放小球,回个大角度网前...关键时,许多时候能追的上就不错了,这时候,即使pro,也没什么方法,也是很gambling地hit个winner,赌一把~~
: 所以,最好的不是在它发生后怎么样,而是如何阻止它发生.就是game plan了.我之所以能报仇,就是赛前特别想了个game plan来对付他,算是屎无前例了~~
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a*m
发帖数: 6253 | 119 Zan confidence...
I have to say, Run is more important tech.skills in the tennis, rather than
how you hit, even at 4.5+ and up...
【在 a*****3 的大作中提到】
: 其实我们俩的意见没什么冲突,只不过是
: 我是理智的身体派 - 技术差一点没关系,靠身体补足.
: 你是理智的技术派 - 技术一定要好,但不否定也靠一定的身体.
: 许多人也不看好我在4.0能立足呀,其实打起来也就是那么回事,只是跑多一点,跑久一点
: .相同的,虽然4.5比4.0要高不少,但其实业余的都差不多,等我体能和速度再上一个等级
: 了,4.5的球照样可以追回来,没什么大不了的~~
:
: 到4
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a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 120 这就是我说预判许多时候不靠铺.只有你与对手打多了才准~~
【在 t****i 的大作中提到】
: 想想也是，为什么很多选手都跟不上狒狒的节奏，因为他击球点实在是太早了，抢走了
: 很多时间。
: 我跟这哥们打球有个问题就是很难判断他的球的方向和落点，原因之一就是他击球点很
: 早，都没来得及判断，二
: 是他都是用胳膊去击球，整个身体基本不到，也导致不容易判断。 跟单反mm还有别人
: 打就没这个问题。
:
: 择就多了,直线winner,放小球,
: 回个大角度网前...关键时,许多时候能追的上就不错了,这时候,即使pro,也没什么方法
: ,也是很gambling地hit个
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a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 121 OMG,
老大发话了!这算是对身体派vs技术派之争的定性吗?
than
【在 a*m 的大作中提到】
: Zan confidence...
: I have to say, Run is more important tech.skills in the tennis, rather than
: how you hit, even at 4.5+ and up...
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 122 你和老大打一场并且奔才能定性。。。
【在 a*****3 的大作中提到】
: OMG,
: 老大发话了!这算是对身体派vs技术派之争的定性吗?
:
: than
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t****i
发帖数: 4225 | 123 我当然都care了，等我能够做到consistently保持2个小时的发球，那我就会更care比
赛了，现在不就是还不行
吗，所以先提高其它的。
如果哪天我能每次都能把那哥们打出的大角度球击回去，那我的反应和速度应该提高了
不少。
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: tenfei never plays matches so he cares more about how to hit a
: cross court forehand winner by returning a cross court forehand
: almost-winner...
:
: eager
: and
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t****i
发帖数: 4225 | 124 我现在跟他打多了很多时候我都能预感到他会那样打，但还是心有余而力不足。
【在 a*****3 的大作中提到】
: 这就是我说预判许多时候不靠铺.只有你与对手打多了才准~~
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | |
a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 126 如果5局3胜的话,我可以考虑一下 // 咳咳
其实你应该挑战老大才对.即使你赢了我又能说明什么呢? |
r******n
发帖数: 1665 | 127 你和Solid 4.5能拿几个game(s)或者赢几个set(s)?
这个家伙和我们队里的一个黑人教练比较像，大力水手型的。
with one
and
he
stroke.
【在 t****i 的大作中提到】
: I prefer to have both 技术 and 身体.
: AK, a question for you, see if you have a solution. I played last night with one
: of my partners, he is black and very atheletic. He is a solid 4.5. The
: shot I hate most is his cross court forehand, very flat and wide angle (
: usually lands at the serve box corner). The ball does not bounce high, and
: always flys out of the court quickly. A lot of times I know he will hit
: that kind of shot, but I just don't have enough time to react, because he
: hits the ball so early on the rise and borrows a lot of pace from my stroke.
: So what will you do?
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t****i
发帖数: 4225 | 128 should be a good matchup. |
K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 129 他和老大都是技术派，能说明什么问题？
【在 a*****3 的大作中提到】
: 如果5局3胜的话,我可以考虑一下 // 咳咳
: 其实你应该挑战老大才对.即使你赢了我又能说明什么呢?
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 130 Not a good matchup IMO. I bet on BigMaJia, hehe.
【在 t****i 的大作中提到】
: should be a good matchup.
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B******a
发帖数: 601 | 131 身体派开山鼻祖呀,我在技术派里连个分舵主都当不上。
【在 a*****3 的大作中提到】
: 如果5局3胜的话,我可以考虑一下 // 咳咳
: 其实你应该挑战老大才对.即使你赢了我又能说明什么呢?
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T*******e
发帖数: 1156 | 132 说明他俩都能跑...
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: 他和老大都是技术派，能说明什么问题？
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a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 133 我已经立此存照了.有图有真相呀~~
谁b4身体派,以后就可以拿图打他的脸. Oh Yeah!
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: 你和老大打一场并且奔才能定性。。。
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a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 134 身体派开山鼻祖只说明是觉悟高,也就是相当于身体派中的理论帝.但不能说明是身体派
中的顶尖高手.
【在 B******a 的大作中提到】
: 身体派开山鼻祖呀,我在技术派里连个分舵主都当不上。
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a*m
发帖数: 6253 | 135 Your rally were not planned well, and your shots are too consistant: always
repeat the same pace/height/placement/spin.
When you hit cross court with good depth and pace, he will have to do cross
court to avoid the low percentile down the line. If he can change direction
by his own will, your ground stroke is not at the sme level with his, and
you will have to get him move, either forward or to the wide backhand...
Try to avoid his forehand with crosscourt feeding will be a little helpful...
Another thing is, you better stay at deuce court when you feed a crosscourt
forehand to him... That is what we called expectation...
If you feed short ball, then you have be back off and get ready to strech
for a lob save. It is the same situationhere, just on the side...
【在 t****i 的大作中提到】
: 我现在跟他打多了很多时候我都能预感到他会那样打，但还是心有余而力不足。
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T*******e
发帖数: 1156 | 136 刚刚立此存照就公然和老大对抗， 老大说了跑动就是技术。。。
【在 a*****3 的大作中提到】
: 身体派开山鼻祖只说明是觉悟高,也就是相当于身体派中的理论帝.但不能说明是身体派
: 中的顶尖高手.
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t****i
发帖数: 4225 | 137 我现在跟他打多了很多时候我都能预感到他会那样打，但还是心有余而力不足。
【在 a*****3 的大作中提到】
: 这就是我说预判许多时候不靠铺.只有你与对手打多了才准~~
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a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 138 huh? 我哪里对抗啦?老大又哪里说跑动就是技术啦?
你立此存照给我看看? @_@
【在 T*******e 的大作中提到】
: 刚刚立此存照就公然和老大对抗， 老大说了跑动就是技术。。。
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a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 139 这说明身体派起到了百家争鸣的效果,现在技术派自己已经开始分裂了,随着人民生活改
善,教育水平提高,人民觉悟就越来越高,身体派就会越来越壮大,假以时日,就会推翻技
术派的独裁统治了~~ 那时候我这开山鼻祖很有可能得Nobel Peace Prize~~
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: 他和老大都是技术派，能说明什么问题？
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 140 你得先被你LD囚禁起来不准打网球了才有可能。
【在 a*****3 的大作中提到】
: 这说明身体派起到了百家争鸣的效果,现在技术派自己已经开始分裂了,随着人民生活改
: 善,教育水平提高,人民觉悟就越来越高,身体派就会越来越壮大,假以时日,就会推翻技
: 术派的独裁统治了~~ 那时候我这开山鼻祖很有可能得Nobel Peace Prize~~
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d******e
发帖数: 2541 | 141 握爪！
俺属于邪教派，但倾向于身体派：身体6成VS技术4成。。。。。这说来荒谬，但俺
学得太晚又没人正规教，哪来的技术派啊？俺基本是当沙袋被黑哥们打出来的，所
以，俺最拿手的就是遇到比俺猛的，俺绕着跑，靠尚能饭的体力和邪招拖垮对手，
至少让他揍俺也没那么爽快。也正是如此，俺拿8盎司轻拍子从不吃亏拿重拍的多
少，只要对手不是稳定暴力4。5以上的。
身体素质是根底，没有这底气，难以跟高手对抗。有技术，2局高强度对抗后，也要
走样变形发挥不出来了。
也正是如此，虽然我不欣赏豆子的技术打法，但俺喜欢看他的球，其实他和ff的竞
争成了现代网球的绝唱。
DOK
really
,
don
【在 a*****3 的大作中提到】
: why ar? 身体派 doesn't care about 技术派 la.
: To me, 4.5 is very possible and I am not sure 5.0 then. As 身体派, I really
: don't care about 技术 too much. Sure 技术 can make you easy generate a lot
: of power without good fitness. I completely agree on it. But in my opinion,
: the fitness can also replace part of 技术. (note: I don't say all of 技术
: here).
: The key thing I am lack of now is the experience in playing with such
: highhands. What I mean is because I don't play with 4.5 players often, I don
: 't get used to their speed (the person (running) and the ball speed) and
: rythm. If I have chance to play with 4.5 or 5.0 players days and nights, I
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a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 142 LD是身体派的第一支持者呀! 我在网版给封给b4已经是家常便饭了吧~~
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: 你得先被你LD囚禁起来不准打网球了才有可能。
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a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 143 难得有知音呀~~ // 熊抱ing...
【在 d******e 的大作中提到】
: 握爪！
: 俺属于邪教派，但倾向于身体派：身体6成VS技术4成。。。。。这说来荒谬，但俺
: 学得太晚又没人正规教，哪来的技术派啊？俺基本是当沙袋被黑哥们打出来的，所
: 以，俺最拿手的就是遇到比俺猛的，俺绕着跑，靠尚能饭的体力和邪招拖垮对手，
: 至少让他揍俺也没那么爽快。也正是如此，俺拿8盎司轻拍子从不吃亏拿重拍的多
: 少，只要对手不是稳定暴力4。5以上的。
: 身体素质是根底，没有这底气，难以跟高手对抗。有技术，2局高强度对抗后，也要
: 走样变形发挥不出来了。
: 也正是如此，虽然我不欣赏豆子的技术打法，但俺喜欢看他的球，其实他和ff的竞
: 争成了现代网球的绝唱。
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r******n
发帖数: 1665 | 144 身体派里还要分一下吧？
AK stamina肯定大牛。变速变向跑怎么样啊？ |
a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 145 身体派才那么几丁人还分？？明显就是想搞内部分裂,颠覆阿卡的领导，这是外部敌对
势力对身体派的虎视眈眈！
【在 r******n 的大作中提到】
: 身体派里还要分一下吧？
: AK stamina肯定大牛。变速变向跑怎么样啊？
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b*****t
发帖数: 758 | 146 The reason that most Chinese including myself do not reach 4.5 is because we
are not physically strong enough to be at this level.
I am tall and strong among Chinese (5'11" at 180 lbs), but I am physically
below average among 4.0 players. Most singles' matches that I lost are
because I could not handle either the pace of the serves or the pace of
baseline rallies.
Hit/serve hard and consistent is the key at 4.0+ level: better techniques
can help you hit harder without using more power; but the most direct way to
hit harder is to have a stronger body.
【在 a*****3 的大作中提到】
: 这说明身体派起到了百家争鸣的效果,现在技术派自己已经开始分裂了,随着人民生活改
: 善,教育水平提高,人民觉悟就越来越高,身体派就会越来越壮大,假以时日,就会推翻技
: 术派的独裁统治了~~ 那时候我这开山鼻祖很有可能得Nobel Peace Prize~~
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U******u
发帖数: 5829 | 147 友情提示： 是猪视眈眈！我们绝不上当！
身体派顶多再分就是以ak为首的练马拉松出身的正统和俺这种宁可打3小时球不愿跑
10分钟1500米的懒汉邪教派。
【在 a*****3 的大作中提到】
: 身体派才那么几丁人还分？？明显就是想搞内部分裂,颠覆阿卡的领导，这是外部敌对
: 势力对身体派的虎视眈眈！
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a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 148 赫赫，敌对势力们，谁不想给称作猪的话，就找老刀算账，不要找阿卡呀~~
【在 U******u 的大作中提到】
: 友情提示： 是猪视眈眈！我们绝不上当！
: 身体派顶多再分就是以ak为首的练马拉松出身的正统和俺这种宁可打3小时球不愿跑
: 10分钟1500米的懒汉邪教派。
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a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 149 do you also play 4.0 now? I remember you win very easily in 3.5, right?
we
to
【在 b*****t 的大作中提到】
: The reason that most Chinese including myself do not reach 4.5 is because we
: are not physically strong enough to be at this level.
: I am tall and strong among Chinese (5'11" at 180 lbs), but I am physically
: below average among 4.0 players. Most singles' matches that I lost are
: because I could not handle either the pace of the serves or the pace of
: baseline rallies.
: Hit/serve hard and consistent is the key at 4.0+ level: better techniques
: can help you hit harder without using more power; but the most direct way to
: hit harder is to have a stronger body.
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U******u
发帖数: 5829 | 150 卧槽！敌对势力还没开火，你小子枪口就内转了，你好岳不群啊！下次去弯曲，先跟
你单挑了。。。。。。。
另外，我个人认为4.5是个坎儿，但如果身体素质好，有好教练，业余的练也还是可
以达到的，甚至4.5+。但5.0绝对是个极难的龙门了，没有天份、极好的素质、和
从小练起，加上教练、大量训练和高质量比赛的堆积，是几乎不大可能达到的。
【在 a*****3 的大作中提到】
: 赫赫，敌对势力们，谁不想给称作猪的话，就找老刀算账，不要找阿卡呀~~
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b*****t
发帖数: 758 | 151 I played at 10 matches including the season end tournament at our 4.0 flex
singles and 8 matches (including the season end tournament) at 4.0 flex
doubles. I am pretty sure my singles is at the entry 4.0 level since I won
exactly 50% of matches and made it to the second round in the season end
tournament.The players in the league are not strong 4.0's, but all but me
are official USTA 4.0 players. My official USTA rating is still 3.5, but
playing 3.5 singles in my town is not challenging any more. I can't wait to
be bumped up:-).
【在 a*****3 的大作中提到】
: do you also play 4.0 now? I remember you win very easily in 3.5, right?
:
: we
: to
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a*m
发帖数: 6253 | 152 u dont have to be a 4.0 to play in 4.0 league.
as long as there is a captain willing to get u in, u are fine, same as 4.5,
5,...
Just ask around and you should be able to find a team easily...
to
【在 b*****t 的大作中提到】
: I played at 10 matches including the season end tournament at our 4.0 flex
: singles and 8 matches (including the season end tournament) at 4.0 flex
: doubles. I am pretty sure my singles is at the entry 4.0 level since I won
: exactly 50% of matches and made it to the second round in the season end
: tournament.The players in the league are not strong 4.0's, but all but me
: are official USTA 4.0 players. My official USTA rating is still 3.5, but
: playing 3.5 singles in my town is not challenging any more. I can't wait to
: be bumped up:-).
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a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 153 呵呵，的确4.5很难很难。如果我的发球能改进的话，还是有点希望的。5.0我是想都没
想过。。。
【在 U******u 的大作中提到】
: 卧槽！敌对势力还没开火，你小子枪口就内转了，你好岳不群啊！下次去弯曲，先跟
: 你单挑了。。。。。。。
: 另外，我个人认为4.5是个坎儿，但如果身体素质好，有好教练，业余的练也还是可
: 以达到的，甚至4.5+。但5.0绝对是个极难的龙门了，没有天份、极好的素质、和
: 从小练起，加上教练、大量训练和高质量比赛的堆积，是几乎不大可能达到的。
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b*****t
发帖数: 758 | 154 Our section has a new league rule this year that each team must have 75%
players at the team level. The result is that very few players can play
above level. There were a total of only 2 3.5 players in the whole 4.0
league this spring and one of them is a newly bumped down 3.5. It is hard to
find a captain who is willing to take a below level player.
Now i have a lot more 4.0 buddies than last year, maybe I can find a team
next year even if I am not bumped.
,
【在 a*m 的大作中提到】
: u dont have to be a 4.0 to play in 4.0 league.
: as long as there is a captain willing to get u in, u are fine, same as 4.5,
: 5,...
: Just ask around and you should be able to find a team easily...
:
: to
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b*****t
发帖数: 758 | 155 Our section has a new league rule this year that each team must have 75%
players at the team level. The result is that very few players can play
above level. There were a total of only 2 3.5 players in the whole 4.0
league this spring and one of them is a newly bumped down 3.5. It is hard to
find a captain who is willing to take a below level player.
Now i have a lot more 4.0 buddies than last year, maybe I can find a team
next year even if I am not bumped.
,
【在 a*m 的大作中提到】
: u dont have to be a 4.0 to play in 4.0 league.
: as long as there is a captain willing to get u in, u are fine, same as 4.5,
: 5,...
: Just ask around and you should be able to find a team easily...
:
: to
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r******n
发帖数: 1665 | 156 呵呵。谢谢提示。
【在 U******u 的大作中提到】
: 友情提示： 是猪视眈眈！我们绝不上当！
: 身体派顶多再分就是以ak为首的练马拉松出身的正统和俺这种宁可打3小时球不愿跑
: 10分钟1500米的懒汉邪教派。
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r******n
发帖数: 1665 | 157 我觉得你也要从自身找些原因。特别是发球。如果你应付不了对手的发球，你也可以让
对手应付不了
你的发球啊？
你们帮主候选人阿卡不知道有多高多重。不过看奔是不到5'11"180lbs，发球也不快，
不是一样到
4.5了吗？
because we
physically
of
techniques
way to
【在 b*****t 的大作中提到】
: The reason that most Chinese including myself do not reach 4.5 is because we
: are not physically strong enough to be at this level.
: I am tall and strong among Chinese (5'11" at 180 lbs), but I am physically
: below average among 4.0 players. Most singles' matches that I lost are
: because I could not handle either the pace of the serves or the pace of
: baseline rallies.
: Hit/serve hard and consistent is the key at 4.0+ level: better techniques
: can help you hit harder without using more power; but the most direct way to
: hit harder is to have a stronger body.
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r******n
发帖数: 1665 | 158 遥想当年我宁愿踢8个小时的足球，也不愿意去跑1500米。
【在 U******u 的大作中提到】
: 友情提示： 是猪视眈眈！我们绝不上当！
: 身体派顶多再分就是以ak为首的练马拉松出身的正统和俺这种宁可打3小时球不愿跑
: 10分钟1500米的懒汉邪教派。
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h*******s
发帖数: 8454 | 159 4.0也不需要打的多猛吧，跟我一起打球的小孩儿4.0，但是失误也挺多的
我还认识一个至少4.5，搞不好5.0的小孩，他不会削球。。。但是底线实在是又猛又稳
估计4.5以上才需要稳定的暴力？
【在 r******n 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得你也要从自身找些原因。特别是发球。如果你应付不了对手的发球，你也可以让
: 对手应付不了
: 你的发球啊？
: 你们帮主候选人阿卡不知道有多高多重。不过看奔是不到5'11"180lbs，发球也不快，
: 不是一样到
: 4.5了吗？
:
: because we
: physically
: of
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b**k
发帖数: 11850 | 160 你在网版被封的两次都是开主题挑起吵架，扰乱版面讨论秩序，和身体派没半根毛关系
，少在这张冠李戴混淆视听。
【在 a*****3 的大作中提到】
: LD是身体派的第一支持者呀! 我在网版给封给b4已经是家常便饭了吧~~
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a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 161 没关系啦，统治者往往都是有无穷无尽的莫须有罪名啦~~
【在 b**k 的大作中提到】
: 你在网版被封的两次都是开主题挑起吵架，扰乱版面讨论秩序，和身体派没半根毛关系
: ，少在这张冠李戴混淆视听。
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U******u
发帖数: 5829 | 162 对，兔版给他两颗子弹，也好让俺邪教的去篡了正统身体派帮主的鸟位。。。。。。
也挑动一下内战。
【在 b**k 的大作中提到】
: 你在网版被封的两次都是开主题挑起吵架，扰乱版面讨论秩序，和身体派没半根毛关系
: ，少在这张冠李戴混淆视听。
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h*******s
发帖数: 8454 | 163 版主英明神武，千秋万代，一桶浆糊！
【在 b**k 的大作中提到】
: 你在网版被封的两次都是开主题挑起吵架，扰乱版面讨论秩序，和身体派没半根毛关系
: ，少在这张冠李戴混淆视听。
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b*****t
发帖数: 758 | 164 I am 180lbs medium build, never being athletic through out my life, my body
fat index is still too high. AK is a runner, his body fat index must be very
low. Besides, when one has a super leg may not need an extreme strong upper
body. Is Ak 4.5 now?
【在 r******n 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得你也要从自身找些原因。特别是发球。如果你应付不了对手的发球，你也可以让
: 对手应付不了
: 你的发球啊？
: 你们帮主候选人阿卡不知道有多高多重。不过看奔是不到5'11"180lbs，发球也不快，
: 不是一样到
: 4.5了吗？
:
: because we
: physically
: of
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b*****t
发帖数: 758 | 165 Everything (power and consistency) is relative. I don't lose to people hit
softer than me. Strength is my bottelneck now, and it must be for many
people like myself. BTW, i can easily overpower every Chinese player in my
area.
【在 h*******s 的大作中提到】
: 4.0也不需要打的多猛吧，跟我一起打球的小孩儿4.0，但是失误也挺多的
: 我还认识一个至少4.5，搞不好5.0的小孩，他不会削球。。。但是底线实在是又猛又稳
: 估计4.5以上才需要稳定的暴力？
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r******n
发帖数: 1665 | 166 那你还真不是身体派。
看来正统身体派是Atheletic：A派
body
very
upper
【在 b*****t 的大作中提到】
: I am 180lbs medium build, never being athletic through out my life, my body
: fat index is still too high. AK is a runner, his body fat index must be very
: low. Besides, when one has a super leg may not need an extreme strong upper
: body. Is Ak 4.5 now?
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r******n
发帖数: 1665 | 167 在底线overpower别人其实真挺不容易的。正手反手都能overpower就更不容易了。不过
看Babolat
你奔，你的反手比正手厉害，反手保证能够overpower我。
hit
my
【在 b*****t 的大作中提到】
: Everything (power and consistency) is relative. I don't lose to people hit
: softer than me. Strength is my bottelneck now, and it must be for many
: people like myself. BTW, i can easily overpower every Chinese player in my
: area.
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h*******s
发帖数: 8454 | 168 那你至少5。0了吧，厉害厉害
【在 b*****t 的大作中提到】
: Everything (power and consistency) is relative. I don't lose to people hit
: softer than me. Strength is my bottelneck now, and it must be for many
: people like myself. BTW, i can easily overpower every Chinese player in my
: area.
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b**k
发帖数: 11850 | 169 你的意思是没办法overpower才有可能输的只有老美吗。。
【在 b*****t 的大作中提到】
: Everything (power and consistency) is relative. I don't lose to people hit
: softer than me. Strength is my bottelneck now, and it must be for many
: people like myself. BTW, i can easily overpower every Chinese player in my
: area.
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b*****t
发帖数: 758 | 170 What is your logic? we only have a couple of 3.5, a few more 3.0, and 10+ NR
Chinese players here.
【在 h*******s 的大作中提到】
: 那你至少5。0了吧，厉害厉害
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h*******s
发帖数: 8454 | 171 哦，sorrysorry
我身边打球的都是各种chinese，所以误以为哪里都是这样了
NR
【在 b*****t 的大作中提到】
: What is your logic? we only have a couple of 3.5, a few more 3.0, and 10+ NR
: Chinese players here.
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b*****t
发帖数: 758 | 172 Don't quite get this.
I overpower every chinese player in my town (we don't have that many), but I
am often overpowered by blacks/whites/hispanics. I use this to make a point
that chinese players are physically weak on average. I believe that tennis
singles strength is mainly determined by footwork+power. By power, I mean
the power when one can hit consistently (e.g. 7+ consecutive shots). Better
footwork gives one a better chance to get in position to make such shots.
Other skills, like touch and court sense, are minor.
Look at some of the videos, I am sure DaMaJa can overpower me at this time.
If i play with a person like him, the outcome is very like a 0 and 1 game.
So if I want to keep up with him, I will need to become physically stronger.
【在 b**k 的大作中提到】
: 你的意思是没办法overpower才有可能输的只有老美吗。。
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b**k
发帖数: 11850 | 173 没法overpower也有可能是不会发力，未必是力量不够
不过我同意你的看法，physical built还须加强
I
point
tennis
Better
.
【在 b*****t 的大作中提到】
: Don't quite get this.
: I overpower every chinese player in my town (we don't have that many), but I
: am often overpowered by blacks/whites/hispanics. I use this to make a point
: that chinese players are physically weak on average. I believe that tennis
: singles strength is mainly determined by footwork+power. By power, I mean
: the power when one can hit consistently (e.g. 7+ consecutive shots). Better
: footwork gives one a better chance to get in position to make such shots.
: Other skills, like touch and court sense, are minor.
: Look at some of the videos, I am sure DaMaJa can overpower me at this time.
: If i play with a person like him, the outcome is very like a 0 and 1 game.
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u********w
发帖数: 599 | 174 你这类 3.5- 号称能overpower 对手的我也见过不少了。杀敌五百，自损三千罢了 :)
【在 b*****t 的大作中提到】
: Everything (power and consistency) is relative. I don't lose to people hit
: softer than me. Strength is my bottelneck now, and it must be for many
: people like myself. BTW, i can easily overpower every Chinese player in my
: area.
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a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 175 IMO, physical build is much easier than changing the form or technique
without coaching.
That is why we have 2 派 here. Each 派 selects the one which they consider is easier to get improved over the other.
JudieYan is the perfect example that technique is not enough without physical strength. If he has good fitness, he is so easy to beat me up badly without any problem.
【在 B******a 的大作中提到】
: 身体派开山鼻祖呀,我在技术派里连个分舵主都当不上。
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 176 But coach ain't free, physical training is often free.
So coach doesn't fit wsn's preference ah.
with
badly
【在 B******a 的大作中提到】
: 身体派开山鼻祖呀,我在技术派里连个分舵主都当不上。
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a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 177 Sure, no coach is always my 前提.
If there is a coach, I don't think why we have to discuss any 派 here. All
you have to do is to just follow the coach! If you think your coach is not
same 派 as yours, fire him and get another one.
with
badly
【在 B******a 的大作中提到】
: 身体派开山鼻祖呀,我在技术派里连个分舵主都当不上。
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a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 178 Exactly.
Moreover, among all kinds of physical training, running is the cheapest and
the most efficient. So if you are a wsn, you can't miss running!
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: But coach ain't free, physical training is often free.
: So coach doesn't fit wsn's preference ah.
:
: with
: badly
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 179 你评论一下偶的这个帖子把，前途堪忧阿，怎么办？
http://www.mitbbs.com/article/Tennis/31453513_0.html
and
【在 a*****3 的大作中提到】
: Exactly.
: Moreover, among all kinds of physical training, running is the cheapest and
: the most efficient. So if you are a wsn, you can't miss running!
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b**k
发帖数: 11850 | 180 那我也随便能数出一堆perfect examples因为技术不行的体力派打不过我的:
两个女消防队员，一个女soccer coach，一个女fitness coach，俩女at least half
marathon runner, 俩前high school player等等，要论掰手腕儿我八成够呛；但在网
球场上她们只有被我屠的份儿~
看着她们有力气不敢发逼着自己磨球，小脸儿憋得通红，偶尔不管不顾发力出界又很懊
悔的样子，好可怜哦~~ho ho ho
is easier to get improved over the other.
physical strength. If he has good fitness, he is so easy to beat me up badly
without any problem.
【在 a*****3 的大作中提到】
: IMO, physical build is much easier than changing the form or technique
: without coaching.
: That is why we have 2 派 here. Each 派 selects the one which they consider is easier to get improved over the other.
: JudieYan is the perfect example that technique is not enough without physical strength. If he has good fitness, he is so easy to beat me up badly without any problem.
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a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 181 What is your point here?
Like I said, 技术派 always 独裁统治 here. So your examples are vely vely 没
有新意. I believe every 技术派 should have tons of examples like what you
said.
That is why I need to speak up for 身体派. Again, now, 身体派 may not be
strong. 身体派 is still under dog now. But after different opinions are
spoken up more and more, people will know the truth eventually.
badly
【在 b**k 的大作中提到】
: 那我也随便能数出一堆perfect examples因为技术不行的体力派打不过我的:
: 两个女消防队员，一个女soccer coach，一个女fitness coach，俩女at least half
: marathon runner, 俩前high school player等等，要论掰手腕儿我八成够呛；但在网
: 球场上她们只有被我屠的份儿~
: 看着她们有力气不敢发逼着自己磨球，小脸儿憋得通红，偶尔不管不顾发力出界又很懊
: 悔的样子，好可怜哦~~ho ho ho
:
: is easier to get improved over the other.
: physical strength. If he has good fitness, he is so easy to beat me up badly
: without any problem.
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 182 没错，就像偶一直鼓吹的器材派宗旨：3.5的拿一个Walmart拍不一定打得过
偶。。。
【在 a*****3 的大作中提到】
: What is your point here?
: Like I said, 技术派 always 独裁统治 here. So your examples are vely vely 没
: 有新意. I believe every 技术派 should have tons of examples like what you
: said.
: That is why I need to speak up for 身体派. Again, now, 身体派 may not be
: strong. 身体派 is still under dog now. But after different opinions are
: spoken up more and more, people will know the truth eventually.
:
: badly
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a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 183 before I came here, was there any person close to 身体派??
I am sure at the time I came here, no one was 身体派. At least I didn't hear
anything about 身体.
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: 没错，就像偶一直鼓吹的器材派宗旨：3.5的拿一个Walmart拍不一定打得过
: 偶。。。
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a**s
发帖数: 9606 | 184 ft! People talked about cross training all the time ...
hear
【在 a*****3 的大作中提到】
: before I came here, was there any person close to 身体派??
: I am sure at the time I came here, no one was 身体派. At least I didn't hear
: anything about 身体.
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s*****k
发帖数: 1630 | 185
with
badly
I agree with BMJ and KennyD.
If coach was free, wsn would have a coach for sure. Wsns would rather buy
big houses and luxury cars than pay for trainings.
【在 B******a 的大作中提到】
: 身体派开山鼻祖呀,我在技术派里连个分舵主都当不上。
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b**k
发帖数: 11850 | 186 My point is: 技术和体力缺一不可，而且在不同阶段有不同意义，尤其是新手阶段：
技术>>体力。往上，技术<体力；但再往上，技术还是〉体力。再再往上就是哪个不
perfect哪个就更重要了。从来没听说过网版被技术派统治了，除了你还有人这么觉得
不？
【在 a*****3 的大作中提到】
: What is your point here?
: Like I said, 技术派 always 独裁统治 here. So your examples are vely vely 没
: 有新意. I believe every 技术派 should have tons of examples like what you
: said.
: That is why I need to speak up for 身体派. Again, now, 身体派 may not be
: strong. 身体派 is still under dog now. But after different opinions are
: spoken up more and more, people will know the truth eventually.
:
: badly
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b**k
发帖数: 11850 | 187 混了这么久还是new cop :DD
【在 a**s 的大作中提到】
: ft! People talked about cross training all the time ...
:
: hear
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 188 现在已经不是了，2年前偶刚开始贴What NTRP Level的时候，基本上绝大多数
人根据form低估。
另外几个被拍砖最厉害的奔，比如radiometrix, agi等，都是因为form不够
理想。
【在 b**k 的大作中提到】
: 混了这么久还是new cop :DD
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T*******e
发帖数: 1156 | 189 身体派, 俺们文青里早就有了...
http://news.sina.com.cn/s/2003-11-11/02312109068.shtml
hear
【在 a*****3 的大作中提到】
: before I came here, was there any person close to 身体派??
: I am sure at the time I came here, no one was 身体派. At least I didn't hear
: anything about 身体.
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a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 190 Is my point also: 技术和体力缺一不可?
【在 b**k 的大作中提到】
: My point is: 技术和体力缺一不可，而且在不同阶段有不同意义，尤其是新手阶段：
: 技术>>体力。往上，技术<体力；但再往上，技术还是〉体力。再再往上就是哪个不
: perfect哪个就更重要了。从来没听说过网版被技术派统治了，除了你还有人这么觉得
: 不？
|
|
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a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 191 i am sure 身体派 is always existing. but anyone speak up for it? when facing
a monster like 技术派, you gotta stand up first.
【在 T*******e 的大作中提到】
: 身体派, 俺们文青里早就有了...
: http://news.sina.com.cn/s/2003-11-11/02312109068.shtml
:
: hear
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s*****k
发帖数: 1630 | 192 大多数4.5以下的都是技术不够4.5吧...同样级别体能好的强一些。
【在 a*****3 的大作中提到】
: Is my point also: 技术和体力缺一不可?
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a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 193 lol, 技术派讲的cross training简直就是为了方便技术派独裁统治的.那一点强度谁能
够成为身体派对抗技术派呀?
就不要扰乱视听了!
【在 a**s 的大作中提到】
: ft! People talked about cross training all the time ...
:
: hear
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 194 身体派 vs 战术派，哪派的人更少？
【在 a*****3 的大作中提到】
: lol, 技术派讲的cross training简直就是为了方便技术派独裁统治的.那一点强度谁能
: 够成为身体派对抗技术派呀?
: 就不要扰乱视听了!
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a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 195 to 技术派, I am 2.5 for sure. No surprise.
I don't even want to mention how a 2.5 技术 beat a 4.0 技术派.
My goal is always to be 2.5 技术 to beat 4.5 技术派. Although for now it is
still far away, I always want to be the first one to try it.
【在 b**k 的大作中提到】
: 混了这么久还是new cop :DD
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 196 一大原因是本BBS的主流用户年龄在45以下。否则有可能出现下面这些帖子，
而你的观点也有可能改变：
今天又输给了一个young gun
杯具，膝伤，被迫挂拍半年
被overpower有何对策？
太胖了，根本跑不动
决定从今往后只打双打
【在 s*****k 的大作中提到】
: 大多数4.5以下的都是技术不够4.5吧...同样级别体能好的强一些。
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a**s
发帖数: 9606 | 197 > At least I didn't hear anything about 身体
This is what you said in your post. Do not switch the topic. Nothing is
wrong
to admit a mistake :P
【在 a*****3 的大作中提到】
: lol, 技术派讲的cross training简直就是为了方便技术派独裁统治的.那一点强度谁能
: 够成为身体派对抗技术派呀?
: 就不要扰乱视听了!
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h*******s
发帖数: 8454 | 198 还没准出现下列帖子
二奶要和小密打球决定地位，怎么办
儿子轻松overpower我了。。。
什么拍子最贵
哈哈
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: 一大原因是本BBS的主流用户年龄在45以下。否则有可能出现下面这些帖子，
: 而你的观点也有可能改变：
: 今天又输给了一个young gun
: 杯具，膝伤，被迫挂拍半年
: 被overpower有何对策？
: 太胖了，根本跑不动
: 决定从今往后只打双打
|
a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 199 Well, I like said all time:
Context! Context!! Context!!!
【在 a**s 的大作中提到】
: > At least I didn't hear anything about 身体
: This is what you said in your post. Do not switch the topic. Nothing is
: wrong
: to admit a mistake :P
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a**s
发帖数: 9606 | 200 here we go again :)
【在 a*****3 的大作中提到】
: Well, I like said all time:
: Context! Context!! Context!!!
|
|
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d****t
发帖数: 1284 | 201 你快有迫害妄想症了。这里讨论如何提高技术的帖子占大多没错，但也没人因为你发表
你身体派的言论
就管你小黑屋的， 独裁统治的帽子未免太大了点。
这里的人在这里不开锻炼身体的话题是因为想开提高身体素质的帖子的话，在fitness
版发帖估计比在
这里有效，我觉得这是为什么这个版讨论锻炼身体的帖子少的原因。反正我有锻炼方面
的问题都是去
fitness版的。
你觉得身体派在这里发帖少的话，自己多挖坑就是了， 你整天身体派身体派的，我也
没看你发什么身体
派专题的帖子，掌门人当的也太不称职了。
【在 a*****3 的大作中提到】
: lol, 技术派讲的cross training简直就是为了方便技术派独裁统治的.那一点强度谁能
: 够成为身体派对抗技术派呀?
: 就不要扰乱视听了!
|
a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 202 Got the same feeling here.
Again, here is the difference thinking between 身体派 and 技术派
身体派: 首先技术是必要的,身体派从来没有否定过技术,但身体派认为身体是关键是基
础,技术差一点可以用身体来补助.
技术派: 永远认为身体派只需要身体,不要技术.
anyway, if you don't understand what I said here, you can laugh as much as
you want. Like I said, no surprise.
【在 a**s 的大作中提到】
: here we go again :)
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a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 203 take it easy man.
我只是来这里打打酱油,捣乱一下社会秩序而已.兴趣就是歪楼.我挖的坑是多是少有目共睹.就不提了.
fitness
【在 d****t 的大作中提到】
: 你快有迫害妄想症了。这里讨论如何提高技术的帖子占大多没错，但也没人因为你发表
: 你身体派的言论
: 就管你小黑屋的， 独裁统治的帽子未免太大了点。
: 这里的人在这里不开锻炼身体的话题是因为想开提高身体素质的帖子的话，在fitness
: 版发帖估计比在
: 这里有效，我觉得这是为什么这个版讨论锻炼身体的帖子少的原因。反正我有锻炼方面
: 的问题都是去
: fitness版的。
: 你觉得身体派在这里发帖少的话，自己多挖坑就是了， 你整天身体派身体派的，我也
: 没看你发什么身体
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s*****k
发帖数: 1630 | 204 呵呵，“迫害妄想症”这个诊断很确切。那么原因是什么呢？承认自己的技术弱点需要
自信和诚实。
【在 d****t 的大作中提到】
: 你快有迫害妄想症了。这里讨论如何提高技术的帖子占大多没错，但也没人因为你发表
: 你身体派的言论
: 就管你小黑屋的， 独裁统治的帽子未免太大了点。
: 这里的人在这里不开锻炼身体的话题是因为想开提高身体素质的帖子的话，在fitness
: 版发帖估计比在
: 这里有效，我觉得这是为什么这个版讨论锻炼身体的帖子少的原因。反正我有锻炼方面
: 的问题都是去
: fitness版的。
: 你觉得身体派在这里发帖少的话，自己多挖坑就是了， 你整天身体派身体派的，我也
: 没看你发什么身体
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d****t
发帖数: 1284 | 205 刚刚还在叫技术派独裁统治，转眼就变成打酱油的了。
你挖坑多不假，但我从没见过你发过如何锻炼身体来提高网球的帖子，哪怕你把自己通
过锻炼长球的过
程写出来，让我们看看也好呢。
目共睹.就不提
了.
【在 a*****3 的大作中提到】
: take it easy man.
: 我只是来这里打打酱油,捣乱一下社会秩序而已.兴趣就是歪楼.我挖的坑是多是少有目共睹.就不提了.
:
: fitness
|
a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 206 I always said my technique is 2.5. So thanks for your 称赞 of my 自信和诚实 |
b**k
发帖数: 11850 | 207 继续吹吧你就，正反手底线处理各种来球+发球都灵的就别扯你那个什么2.5标签了
也不嫌烦？
on the other hand, 网版身材比你好的肌肉男有得是，嘿嘿~
is
【在 a*****3 的大作中提到】
: to 技术派, I am 2.5 for sure. No surprise.
: I don't even want to mention how a 2.5 技术 beat a 4.0 技术派.
: My goal is always to be 2.5 技术 to beat 4.5 技术派. Although for now it is
: still far away, I always want to be the first one to try it.
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 208 你可千万不要因为需要2.5 beat 4.5而不练习发球阿。
那样的话偶双打拒绝站在网前。。。
实
【在 a*****3 的大作中提到】
: I always said my technique is 2.5. So thanks for your 称赞 of my 自信和诚实
|
b**k
发帖数: 11850 | 209 是呀，一边矢口否认技术提高是其现阶段水平提高的关键，另一方面偷偷地提高正反手
底线，并且打算好好改发球，啧啧~
【在 s*****k 的大作中提到】
: 呵呵，“迫害妄想症”这个诊断很确切。那么原因是什么呢？承认自己的技术弱点需要
: 自信和诚实。
|
K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 210 人家是长跑男，非肌肉南也。。。
【在 b**k 的大作中提到】
: 继续吹吧你就，正反手底线处理各种来球+发球都灵的就别扯你那个什么2.5标签了
: 也不嫌烦？
: on the other hand, 网版身材比你好的肌肉男有得是，嘿嘿~
:
: is
|
|
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a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 211 OMG,
你没看过不等于我没写呀,许多时候我写了都没有mark,结果现在都找不到了,这叫死无
对证.然后是不是迫害,你认为不是,就不是啦.
【在 d****t 的大作中提到】
: 刚刚还在叫技术派独裁统治，转眼就变成打酱油的了。
: 你挖坑多不假，但我从没见过你发过如何锻炼身体来提高网球的帖子，哪怕你把自己通
: 过锻炼长球的过
: 程写出来，让我们看看也好呢。
:
: 目共睹.就不提
: 了.
|
b**k
发帖数: 11850 | 212 不长跑肌肉能露出来吗？
我觉得ak最应该把炮口对准你还差不多
什么连着2盘撑不下来啊之类的
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: 人家是长跑男，非肌肉南也。。。
|
a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 213 hehe... I always said I need to improve 发球.
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: 你可千万不要因为需要2.5 beat 4.5而不练习发球阿。
: 那样的话偶双打拒绝站在网前。。。
:
: 实
|
K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 214 偶是器材派的，和身体派、技术派都没有直接矛盾。。。
【在 b**k 的大作中提到】
: 不长跑肌肉能露出来吗？
: 我觉得ak最应该把炮口对准你还差不多
: 什么连着2盘撑不下来啊之类的
|
a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 215 看看,我刚说完没有否定技术,话音刚落,就又来了!
sigh,是我的表达问题,还是技术派的理解问题,还是都没问题,只是真的想搞迫害呢?? @_@
【在 b**k 的大作中提到】
: 是呀，一边矢口否认技术提高是其现阶段水平提高的关键，另一方面偷偷地提高正反手
: 底线，并且打算好好改发球，啧啧~
|
h*******s
发帖数: 8454 | 216 还有我，只能打两个完整的11分抢七，哈哈
昨天中午打球一个小时差点虚脱了
【在 b**k 的大作中提到】
: 不长跑肌肉能露出来吗？
: 我觉得ak最应该把炮口对准你还差不多
: 什么连着2盘撑不下来啊之类的
|
s*****k
发帖数: 1630 | 217 要到4.5其实很简单，缺啥补啥，技术差补技术，体能差补体能，偶是两样都要补，4.5
是遥遥无期啊。
AK鼻祖最有希望到达4.5，就差那么一点点技术了。 |
a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 218 啧啧,看看,想让两个少数派自相惨杀,然后自己就渔翁得利.典型的统治阶级伎俩~~
【在 b**k 的大作中提到】
: 不长跑肌肉能露出来吗？
: 我觉得ak最应该把炮口对准你还差不多
: 什么连着2盘撑不下来啊之类的
|
K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 219 你那是饿得。看来太瘦了也不好啊。
【在 h*******s 的大作中提到】
: 还有我，只能打两个完整的11分抢七，哈哈
: 昨天中午打球一个小时差点虚脱了
|
d****t
发帖数: 1284 | 220 那就让kennyD考古。我印象里你除了训练半马以外，没有其他关于如何锻炼的帖子。
发了帖子没被mark， 我还真不认为是迫害。
你要是正正经经的发个如果通过锻炼身体提高网球的帖子，我就不信版主不mark。
【在 a*****3 的大作中提到】
: OMG,
: 你没看过不等于我没写呀,许多时候我写了都没有mark,结果现在都找不到了,这叫死无
: 对证.然后是不是迫害,你认为不是,就不是啦.
|
|
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b**k
发帖数: 11850 | 221 不好意思啊，本来你就目标有误。我以前为了打球上健身版混的时候，可从来没见过你
哦~
但是一个真正的打网球爱好者肯定是厌恶长跑的（5k+）。如果无需减肥、增肌、长心
肺、增加灵活度、身材美观的需要等等，如果能选择干什么，一个真正的打网球爱好者
肯定是选择打网球的。我就把这话撂这儿，任何人都可以不同意，但我这个观点不会改
变的，嘿嘿~~
【在 a*****3 的大作中提到】
: 啧啧,看看,想让两个少数派自相惨杀,然后自己就渔翁得利.典型的统治阶级伎俩~~
|
d****t
发帖数: 1284 | 222 你这用两块钱旧拍+老线的， 整个就是反器材派。
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: 偶是器材派的，和身体派、技术派都没有直接矛盾。。。
|
a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 223 为什么一定要正正经经的发呢?如果别人有什么问题,我简单回答了,别人再问我又回答
了,这些通常都不会mark的.
Anyway, 你爱怎么说都可以啦.反正被迫害的又不是你或你那一派的...呵呵
【在 d****t 的大作中提到】
: 那就让kennyD考古。我印象里你除了训练半马以外，没有其他关于如何锻炼的帖子。
: 发了帖子没被mark， 我还真不认为是迫害。
: 你要是正正经经的发个如果通过锻炼身体提高网球的帖子，我就不信版主不mark。
|
K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 224 这不准备$2 racket 上最新fancy poly吗。。。
【在 d****t 的大作中提到】
: 你这用两块钱旧拍+老线的， 整个就是反器材派。
|
a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 225 对于本来思想就已经根深蒂固的,我也不想讲什么.只是对那些没那么顽固,还想有点改
变或选择的,我只是提供多一个参考而已.至于适不适合自己,那就是你自己的事了~~
【在 b**k 的大作中提到】
: 不好意思啊，本来你就目标有误。我以前为了打球上健身版混的时候，可从来没见过你
: 哦~
: 但是一个真正的打网球爱好者肯定是厌恶长跑的（5k+）。如果无需减肥、增肌、长心
: 肺、增加灵活度、身材美观的需要等等，如果能选择干什么，一个真正的打网球爱好者
: 肯定是选择打网球的。我就把这话撂这儿，任何人都可以不同意，但我这个观点不会改
: 变的，嘿嘿~~
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b**k
发帖数: 11850 | 226 so far 你说的那些除了bso的部分，还真没有我没见过的。你什么时候贴点质量高的我
才会考虑给你包子吃，否则你可以继续抱怨下去~
【在 a*****3 的大作中提到】
: 对于本来思想就已经根深蒂固的,我也不想讲什么.只是对那些没那么顽固,还想有点改
: 变或选择的,我只是提供多一个参考而已.至于适不适合自己,那就是你自己的事了~~
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a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 227 你认为没用不代表别人觉得没用呀.
Anyway,我成为众矢之的,也说明身体派受到重视,技术派感到威胁了... hehe
【在 b**k 的大作中提到】
: so far 你说的那些除了bso的部分，还真没有我没见过的。你什么时候贴点质量高的我
: 才会考虑给你包子吃，否则你可以继续抱怨下去~
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b**k
发帖数: 11850 | 228 我没说没用，不过我不是每天都能一条一条地在网版阅水，所以你的re文中有技术含量
的没被mark也有可能。
一般如果你想发有技术含量的帖子，尽量开主题，这样我会容易看到。比如你开主题吵
架，那我也很容易看到，上来就咔嚓了。你和kennyD 一问一答的时候你认为应该mark
就去找kennyD好了，我们仨谁都可以mark的
【在 a*****3 的大作中提到】
: 你认为没用不代表别人觉得没用呀.
: Anyway,我成为众矢之的,也说明身体派受到重视,技术派感到威胁了... hehe
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 229 偶一问一答时所有精力都集中关税和歪楼了，没时间mark...
mark
【在 b**k 的大作中提到】
: 我没说没用，不过我不是每天都能一条一条地在网版阅水，所以你的re文中有技术含量
: 的没被mark也有可能。
: 一般如果你想发有技术含量的帖子，尽量开主题，这样我会容易看到。比如你开主题吵
: 架，那我也很容易看到，上来就咔嚓了。你和kennyD 一问一答的时候你认为应该mark
: 就去找kennyD好了，我们仨谁都可以mark的
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a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 230 你mark不mark,我不care呀,关键现在有技术派的找上门来要证据,我就马上傻眼了.才醒
觉原来是技术派配合好的,我的贴子不mark,等过期了就找我算帐...
我.我.我还能说什么呢??
mark
【在 b**k 的大作中提到】
: 我没说没用，不过我不是每天都能一条一条地在网版阅水，所以你的re文中有技术含量
: 的没被mark也有可能。
: 一般如果你想发有技术含量的帖子，尽量开主题，这样我会容易看到。比如你开主题吵
: 架，那我也很容易看到，上来就咔嚓了。你和kennyD 一问一答的时候你认为应该mark
: 就去找kennyD好了，我们仨谁都可以mark的
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d****t
发帖数: 1284 | 231 http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/Tennis/31453849.html
你把这个帖子mark上，作为ak身体派解惑的专贴得了。
mark
【在 b**k 的大作中提到】
: 我没说没用，不过我不是每天都能一条一条地在网版阅水，所以你的re文中有技术含量
: 的没被mark也有可能。
: 一般如果你想发有技术含量的帖子，尽量开主题，这样我会容易看到。比如你开主题吵
: 架，那我也很容易看到，上来就咔嚓了。你和kennyD 一问一答的时候你认为应该mark
: 就去找kennyD好了，我们仨谁都可以mark的
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T*******e
发帖数: 1156 | 232 Haha...
因为FORM,一直被人看低, 甚至怀疑其联赛成绩.只好自贬为2.5还开创个身体教. 私下
里从来没有停止过练功和FORM改进...
【在 s*****k 的大作中提到】
: 呵呵，“迫害妄想症”这个诊断很确切。那么原因是什么呢？承认自己的技术弱点需要
: 自信和诚实。
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a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 233 看看,又故意写漏了从来没有停止过身体的改进.
我样样都想改,只不过是身体的改得更多更快更容易,成效也更显著.才创个身体派的...
【在 T*******e 的大作中提到】
: Haha...
: 因为FORM,一直被人看低, 甚至怀疑其联赛成绩.只好自贬为2.5还开创个身体教. 私下
: 里从来没有停止过练功和FORM改进...
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b**k
发帖数: 11850 | 234 humm，你说你万一要是网球场上跑不过Tony，咋办？
..
【在 a*****3 的大作中提到】
: 看看,又故意写漏了从来没有停止过身体的改进.
: 我样样都想改,只不过是身体的改得更多更快更容易,成效也更显著.才创个身体派的...
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h*******s
发帖数: 8454 | 235 没有啦，打球之前刚吃了点东西，当早午饭了
天气特热，昨天好像34度，是不是打底线比比赛容易累啊
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: 你那是饿得。看来太瘦了也不好啊。
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a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 236 那还能咋办? 难道要用三挺机关枪与两颗小子弹?? @_@
【在 b**k 的大作中提到】
: humm，你说你万一要是网球场上跑不过Tony，咋办？
:
: ..
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 237 Of course ah.
【在 h*******s 的大作中提到】
: 没有啦，打球之前刚吃了点东西，当早午饭了
: 天气特热，昨天好像34度，是不是打底线比比赛容易累啊
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h*******s
发帖数: 8454 | 238 以后应该开始打打比赛咯～
上哪儿找个爱打比赛的初学者配我玩呢，原来倒是有一个，后来他不能虐我了就去玩别
的了
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: Of course ah.
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 239 aakk123.
【在 h*******s 的大作中提到】
: 以后应该开始打打比赛咯～
: 上哪儿找个爱打比赛的初学者配我玩呢，原来倒是有一个，后来他不能虐我了就去玩别
: 的了
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a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 240 来吧,来吧.技术派的都想除我而后快呀,这样更好,我的肾上腺就彪的更凶,跑的更快...
我不能保证能从你手上拿多少个point,但一定能保证的是每个point我都是尽力的~~
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: aakk123.
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b*****t
发帖数: 758 | 241 Back to the original topic, it is not about coaching or not.
Ways to improve may vary, but most of us are not physically strong enough to
be a 4.5.
【在 a*****3 的大作中提到】
: Sure, no coach is always my 前提.
: If there is a coach, I don't think why we have to discuss any 派 here. All
: you have to do is to just follow the coach! If you think your coach is not
: same 派 as yours, fire him and get another one.
:
: with
: badly
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b*****t
发帖数: 758 | 242 If these two players were Chinese with no physical strength, they would
probably play at 3.0, not at 4.0 against you. Different players have
different bottlenecks.
badly
【在 b**k 的大作中提到】
: 那我也随便能数出一堆perfect examples因为技术不行的体力派打不过我的:
: 两个女消防队员，一个女soccer coach，一个女fitness coach，俩女at least half
: marathon runner, 俩前high school player等等，要论掰手腕儿我八成够呛；但在网
: 球场上她们只有被我屠的份儿~
: 看着她们有力气不敢发逼着自己磨球，小脸儿憋得通红，偶尔不管不顾发力出界又很懊
: 悔的样子，好可怜哦~~ho ho ho
:
: is easier to get improved over the other.
: physical strength. If he has good fitness, he is so easy to beat me up badly
: without any problem.
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b*****t
发帖数: 758 | 243 I agree with you. If it were not for tennis, I would not have done many of
the things I am doing right now.
【在 b**k 的大作中提到】
: 不好意思啊，本来你就目标有误。我以前为了打球上健身版混的时候，可从来没见过你
: 哦~
: 但是一个真正的打网球爱好者肯定是厌恶长跑的（5k+）。如果无需减肥、增肌、长心
: 肺、增加灵活度、身材美观的需要等等，如果能选择干什么，一个真正的打网球爱好者
: 肯定是选择打网球的。我就把这话撂这儿，任何人都可以不同意，但我这个观点不会改
: 变的，嘿嘿~~
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a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 244 I agree. That is why after I improve my fitness, I easily got bumped up
although my form still sucks. Because, for most of WSN, the fitness is the
bottleneck, they can spend tons of times in watching the video in front of
the TV/computer and swinging the racket at home to mimic the form, but they
won't run one mile outside.
with coach, it is totally different story. You pay and your coach also
pushes you, you have to do whatever coach tells you to do.
to
【在 b*****t 的大作中提到】
: Back to the original topic, it is not about coaching or not.
: Ways to improve may vary, but most of us are not physically strong enough to
: be a 4.5.
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a**s
发帖数: 9606 | 245 这个可能性估计不大, Tony肯定又要抽 :P 不过Tony肯定能让AK充分
表演其长跑特长的 :)
【在 b**k 的大作中提到】
: humm，你说你万一要是网球场上跑不过Tony，咋办？
:
: ..
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a**s
发帖数: 9606 | 246 同意 :) 不过老肯可以自封古董器材派掌门人
【在 d****t 的大作中提到】
: 你这用两块钱旧拍+老线的， 整个就是反器材派。
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s*****k
发帖数: 1630 | 247 AK is physically strong and why he is not 4.5?
to
【在 b*****t 的大作中提到】
: Back to the original topic, it is not about coaching or not.
: Ways to improve may vary, but most of us are not physically strong enough to
: be a 4.5.
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a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 248 I am not physically strong for 4.5.
【在 s*****k 的大作中提到】
: AK is physically strong and why he is not 4.5?
:
: to
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s*****k
发帖数: 1630 | 249 I think you are physically strong for 5.0.
Actually you have 5.0 legs and 4.0 arms.
【在 a*****3 的大作中提到】
: I am not physically strong for 4.5.
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a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 250 Your definition is 技术派's. So you guys don't need very strong fitness in 4
.5 or 5.0 with combination of the good technique.
For 身体派, it is another definition for the fitness because it is our
strength and the technique is our weakness. So to combine them together, 身
体派's fitness standard has to be much higher than 技术派's while 身体派's
technique standard could be lower than 技术派's.
It is same as my theory: for 身体派, 技术差一点可以用身体来补足.
【在 s*****k 的大作中提到】
: I think you are physically strong for 5.0.
: Actually you have 5.0 legs and 4.0 arms.
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r******n
发帖数: 1665 | 251 吵什么吵。唧唧歪歪的。本人就是技术派.....长老兼器材派长老。
我就是看不上form贼烂但能赢球的所谓身体派。但是身体派不等于stamina，不等于马
拉松或者铁
人三项。那样的身体派只能是身体派里的邪教，请你们帮主赶紧清理门派。
我对身体的要求向对form一样technically挑剔的。本长老虽然form不够好，但是好的
form是本
技术派长老的追求。我的form什么时候可以接近CC或者啃123什么的就OK了。
我就是看不上那些能把马拉松跑下来，可是看上去像刚经历了一场饥荒的。那样的身体
对我一点儿吸
引力也没有。脱光了也没有。你如果能用那样的身体来打败我，我在对自己恶心的同时
，对你也表示
同情。
对本长老来说，身体是技术的保证，可是不能凌驾于技术之上。没有网球技术的身体可
以是任何身
体，但绝对不是网球的身体。只有有网球技术的身体，哪怕是1.0的初学者，才能成为
网球的身体。
再说一次，身体派不等于stamina。身体是力量速度耐力等等的综合体。有朝一日阿卡
可以不用把本
长老push磨死，而是overpower拍死了.....你就是真正的身体派了。
说技术不足，身体来补的那是技术派的卧底。
in 4
together, 身
派's
【在 a*****3 的大作中提到】
: Your definition is 技术派's. So you guys don't need very strong fitness in 4
: .5 or 5.0 with combination of the good technique.
: For 身体派, it is another definition for the fitness because it is our
: strength and the technique is our weakness. So to combine them together, 身
: 体派's fitness standard has to be much higher than 技术派's while 身体派's
: technique standard could be lower than 技术派's.
: It is same as my theory: for 身体派, 技术差一点可以用身体来补足.
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a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 252 老兄，这么辛苦找拍，结果我却不赏脸，没有拍你的冲动，哎。。。
辛苦你了，我就友情顶你一下吧~~
【在 r******n 的大作中提到】
: 吵什么吵。唧唧歪歪的。本人就是技术派.....长老兼器材派长老。
: 我就是看不上form贼烂但能赢球的所谓身体派。但是身体派不等于stamina，不等于马
: 拉松或者铁
: 人三项。那样的身体派只能是身体派里的邪教，请你们帮主赶紧清理门派。
: 我对身体的要求向对form一样technically挑剔的。本长老虽然form不够好，但是好的
: form是本
: 技术派长老的追求。我的form什么时候可以接近CC或者啃123什么的就OK了。
: 我就是看不上那些能把马拉松跑下来，可是看上去像刚经历了一场饥荒的。那样的身体
: 对我一点儿吸
: 引力也没有。脱光了也没有。你如果能用那样的身体来打败我，我在对自己恶心的同时
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b**k
发帖数: 11850 | 253 她们只有一个4.0，其它都是3.5
【在 b*****t 的大作中提到】
: If these two players were Chinese with no physical strength, they would
: probably play at 3.0, not at 4.0 against you. Different players have
: different bottlenecks.
:
: badly
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b**k
发帖数: 11850 | 254 Tony 每跑2步就让ak跑10步，哈哈哈~
【在 a**s 的大作中提到】
: 这个可能性估计不大, Tony肯定又要抽 :P 不过Tony肯定能让AK充分
: 表演其长跑特长的 :)
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b**k
发帖数: 11850 | 255 你说的这些 most of wsn whose fitness is the bottle neck，在3.5+的人群里，哪
怕是中国人的人群里，我认为都不成立。3.0-的人里这样的倒是不少
they
【在 a*****3 的大作中提到】
: I agree. That is why after I improve my fitness, I easily got bumped up
: although my form still sucks. Because, for most of WSN, the fitness is the
: bottleneck, they can spend tons of times in watching the video in front of
: the TV/computer and swinging the racket at home to mimic the form, but they
: won't run one mile outside.
: with coach, it is totally different story. You pay and your coach also
: pushes you, you have to do whatever coach tells you to do.
:
: to
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r******n
发帖数: 1665 | 256 LOL，码字不容易啊。
如果明年咱们都能参加US Open Party，别忘了我们还要搭挡打CC／流氓兔MM
【在 a*****3 的大作中提到】
: 老兄，这么辛苦找拍，结果我却不赏脸，没有拍你的冲动，哎。。。
: 辛苦你了，我就友情顶你一下吧~~
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b**k
发帖数: 11850 | 257 我觉得戏不大啊，就这里讨论一下ak已经把“东部”（注意，包括东岸、中西部、以及
非西岸的北部南部直到Texas) 的人全部当成假想敌了，按照他的逻辑，跑到美网party
来岂不要给群殴死了？别说跑马了，跑两匹马都不够呀~~ |
a**s
发帖数: 9606 | 258 难啊~~~ 不过如果AK神功告成, 说不定会Show Up :)
【在 r******n 的大作中提到】
: LOL，码字不容易啊。
: 如果明年咱们都能参加US Open Party，别忘了我们还要搭挡打CC／流氓兔MM
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b**k
发帖数: 11850 | 259 难道不是每个人都是。。。。
精子中的战斗精来的？
【在 B******a 的大作中提到】
: 身体派开山鼻祖呀,我在技术派里连个分舵主都当不上。
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r*********x
发帖数: 3016 | 260 我就是form贼烂但能赢球.可我不是身体派。按老肯说法我是战术派的。
赢球才是硬道理。别的都是浮云。
【在 r******n 的大作中提到】
: 吵什么吵。唧唧歪歪的。本人就是技术派.....长老兼器材派长老。
: 我就是看不上form贼烂但能赢球的所谓身体派。但是身体派不等于stamina，不等于马
: 拉松或者铁
: 人三项。那样的身体派只能是身体派里的邪教，请你们帮主赶紧清理门派。
: 我对身体的要求向对form一样technically挑剔的。本长老虽然form不够好，但是好的
: form是本
: 技术派长老的追求。我的form什么时候可以接近CC或者啃123什么的就OK了。
: 我就是看不上那些能把马拉松跑下来，可是看上去像刚经历了一场饥荒的。那样的身体
: 对我一点儿吸
: 引力也没有。脱光了也没有。你如果能用那样的身体来打败我，我在对自己恶心的同时
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a***8
发帖数: 2433 | 261 LOL. good one!
【在 b**k 的大作中提到】
: 难道不是每个人都是。。。。
: 精子中的战斗精来的？
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r******n
发帖数: 1665 | 262 每个派系都有自己的追求。
I want to have my games on my racquet.
【在 r*********x 的大作中提到】
: 我就是form贼烂但能赢球.可我不是身体派。按老肯说法我是战术派的。
: 赢球才是硬道理。别的都是浮云。
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w******n
发帖数: 13172 | 263 作为同派弟子，偶支持长老。。。
【在 r******n 的大作中提到】
: 每个派系都有自己的追求。
: I want to have my games on my racquet.
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T*******e
发帖数: 1156 | 264 你俩别互相吸引了，也搞篇：什么是技术掌门？
【在 w******n 的大作中提到】
: 作为同派弟子，偶支持长老。。。
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w******n
发帖数: 13172 | 265 偶充其量也就是个3袋弟子，掌门那是当不上了。要不你来当掌门？
【在 T*******e 的大作中提到】
: 你俩别互相吸引了，也搞篇：什么是技术掌门？
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r*********x
发帖数: 3016 | 266 难道每个派系的目标不都是赢球吗？
【在 r******n 的大作中提到】
: 每个派系都有自己的追求。
: I want to have my games on my racquet.
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s*****k
发帖数: 1630 | 267 Form烂的话只能在低级别比赛中赢球，form好的话有希望在高级别（4.5）赢球。
【在 r*********x 的大作中提到】
: 难道每个派系的目标不都是赢球吗？
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w******n
发帖数: 13172 | 268 这个你得跟AK好好探讨一下
【在 s*****k 的大作中提到】
: Form烂的话只能在低级别比赛中赢球，form好的话有希望在高级别（4.5）赢球。
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s*****k
发帖数: 1630 | 269 AK不也在暗暗努力朝4.5前进，不像你没事儿破坏网民内部团结。
【在 w******n 的大作中提到】
: 这个你得跟AK好好探讨一下
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w******n
发帖数: 13172 | 270 人AK的口号就是要一直push到4.5吗，明显跟你口号相悖啊！
【在 s*****k 的大作中提到】
: AK不也在暗暗努力朝4.5前进，不像你没事儿破坏网民内部团结。
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a**s
发帖数: 9606 | 271 你还真信他说的啊? 看看他一年半前的帖子:
"和我打球,每个point都很长,我经常前后左右调动对方,直到对方make mistake为
止.这样的打法让我在3.0所向无敌,一直打到national semifinal才输了加入USTA后的
第一场比赛.到了3.5,我的打法有所改变,注重了form.但还是crazy running.结果也只
输了三场就升到了4.0.可是到了4.0,情况就不一样了.许多高手都可以flat the ball
out.即使我还能满场飞,但已经没有很大优势了.所以我现在更多地注重如何把form改过
来..."
【在 w******n 的大作中提到】
: 人AK的口号就是要一直push到4.5吗，明显跟你口号相悖啊！
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w******n
发帖数: 13172 | 272 这个。。。。脸打得太狠了。。。
不过AK脸皮厚，基本是金刚不坏！
【在 a**s 的大作中提到】
: 你还真信他说的啊? 看看他一年半前的帖子:
: "和我打球,每个point都很长,我经常前后左右调动对方,直到对方make mistake为
: 止.这样的打法让我在3.0所向无敌,一直打到national semifinal才输了加入USTA后的
: 第一场比赛.到了3.5,我的打法有所改变,注重了form.但还是crazy running.结果也只
: 输了三场就升到了4.0.可是到了4.0,情况就不一样了.许多高手都可以flat the ball
: out.即使我还能满场飞,但已经没有很大优势了.所以我现在更多地注重如何把form改过
: 来..."
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a**s
发帖数: 9606 | 273 ft! 不是打脸啊... 他现在的言辞从来都是夸张, 俺认为他是有意活跃版面.
谁都看得出来他Form是在进步的.
【在 w******n 的大作中提到】
: 这个。。。。脸打得太狠了。。。
: 不过AK脸皮厚，基本是金刚不坏！
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s*****k
发帖数: 1630 | 274 难得看到AK这么真诚的帖子，应该是得了“妄想迫害症”之前发的吧？
【在 a**s 的大作中提到】
: 你还真信他说的啊? 看看他一年半前的帖子:
: "和我打球,每个point都很长,我经常前后左右调动对方,直到对方make mistake为
: 止.这样的打法让我在3.0所向无敌,一直打到national semifinal才输了加入USTA后的
: 第一场比赛.到了3.5,我的打法有所改变,注重了form.但还是crazy running.结果也只
: 输了三场就升到了4.0.可是到了4.0,情况就不一样了.许多高手都可以flat the ball
: out.即使我还能满场飞,但已经没有很大优势了.所以我现在更多地注重如何把form改过
: 来..."
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s*****k
发帖数: 1630 | 275 好像打的不是AK的脸啊？LOL~
【在 w******n 的大作中提到】
: 这个。。。。脸打得太狠了。。。
: 不过AK脸皮厚，基本是金刚不坏！
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 276 form好也基本没戏在4.5赢球。原因请看标题。所以既然大家反正都只能打到
4.0, form好坏都无所谓了。。。
【在 s*****k 的大作中提到】
: Form烂的话只能在低级别比赛中赢球，form好的话有希望在高级别（4.5）赢球。
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r*********x
发帖数: 3016 | 277 Don't agree.
You can see a lot of Pro got bad form. Even soldering's serve motion is far
from right, not much core rotation.
Once again the goal should be win. No matter what. If you lost, you can only
use "my form is better than him/here" as excuse. But expect he/she can't
win in higher level is wishful thinking.
【在 s*****k 的大作中提到】
: Form烂的话只能在低级别比赛中赢球，form好的话有希望在高级别（4.5）赢球。
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r*********x
发帖数: 3016 | 278 就是说AK这个身体派掌门一直在头盔别派武功。其实身体派只是个幌子。
【在 a**s 的大作中提到】
: ft! 不是打脸啊... 他现在的言辞从来都是夸张, 俺认为他是有意活跃版面.
: 谁都看得出来他Form是在进步的.
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s*****k
发帖数: 1630 | 279 偶们讨论的是业余爱好者（4.5为目标）的form， 那些ATP职业选手至少是6.0~7.0水平
，你说他们的form难看也至少比4.5强。
开什么玩笑啊，这个form够好的了， 当然是没有Federer好了。
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcBZWa97OMM
要赢球还不容易，找个级别低的比赛，天天请吃人bagel,油条有意思吗？当然你中意偶
也没意见。
far
only
【在 r*********x 的大作中提到】
: Don't agree.
: You can see a lot of Pro got bad form. Even soldering's serve motion is far
: from right, not much core rotation.
: Once again the goal should be win. No matter what. If you lost, you can only
: use "my form is better than him/here" as excuse. But expect he/she can't
: win in higher level is wishful thinking.
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r*********x
发帖数: 3016 | 280 我认识4.5的form烂的也是一堆堆的.他们照样在4.5赢球. 我的point是Form和比赛成绩
无关. Level就是用比赛成绩衡量的,不是用form衡量的. 不然USTA League也不用打了.
大家各自拍段录像让评委打分得了.
【在 s*****k 的大作中提到】
: 偶们讨论的是业余爱好者（4.5为目标）的form， 那些ATP职业选手至少是6.0~7.0水平
: ，你说他们的form难看也至少比4.5强。
: 开什么玩笑啊，这个form够好的了， 当然是没有Federer好了。
: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcBZWa97OMM
: 要赢球还不容易，找个级别低的比赛，天天请吃人bagel,油条有意思吗？当然你中意偶
: 也没意见。
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: far
: only
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s*****k
发帖数: 1630 | 281 讨论总结：
原因之一：Chinese player （不是Chinese也有可能）不愿意花钱请人（教练，陪练，
高手等等）练专项技术，突破瓶颈; 而更愿意花钱在器材上， 球拍，网球机， 绑线机
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