K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 1 因为是浪费时间啊，状态起伏太大，上几场的优良表现根本无法用来预测
下一场的表现。还不如等他进了8强再开始看几场，省很多时间。
这次这个左腿受伤也是莫名其妙。前两场总共才花了3小时，根本谈不上
体力透支，这场就突然左腿受伤，然后发球立刻就废了，4个脚误（偶以前
还从没见他脚误），只能1发当作2发(100mph)，基本上没什么可打的了。
Wawrinka运气好，右腿受伤，基本不影响发球，只会影响一点正手open
stance。 |
a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 2 恩，数据帝开始有所醒悟了，光看数据来分析是浮云呀~~
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: 因为是浪费时间啊，状态起伏太大，上几场的优良表现根本无法用来预测
: 下一场的表现。还不如等他进了8强再开始看几场，省很多时间。
: 这次这个左腿受伤也是莫名其妙。前两场总共才花了3小时，根本谈不上
: 体力透支，这场就突然左腿受伤，然后发球立刻就废了，4个脚误（偶以前
: 还从没见他脚误），只能1发当作2发(100mph)，基本上没什么可打的了。
: Wawrinka运气好，右腿受伤，基本不影响发球，只会影响一点正手open
: stance。
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 3 唯一的解释就是僵尸天生脆弱，容易受伤/生病。所以少看其比赛可能是一个
有利的调整。如果他碰巧能保持状态，在硬地上还是有可能能捞一个GS的。
【在 a*****3 的大作中提到】
: 恩，数据帝开始有所醒悟了，光看数据来分析是浮云呀~~
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d**********9
发帖数: 5215 | 4 for every grand slam you need to win 7 matches to reach the top. If he can't
play well consistently then there is no way he can "lao" one. |
Y***n
发帖数: 53 | 5 他好像身体还可以阿， 不知道为什么，虽然不fan他都替他难过了， 这样一次次失望
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: 唯一的解释就是僵尸天生脆弱，容易受伤/生病。所以少看其比赛可能是一个
: 有利的调整。如果他碰巧能保持状态，在硬地上还是有可能能捞一个GS的。
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 6 Why not? He's been in final twice already and arguably choked in
both finals. I followed his AO 2010 and he was quite consistent
before the final.
't
【在 d**********9 的大作中提到】
: for every grand slam you need to win 7 matches to reach the top. If he can't
: play well consistently then there is no way he can "lao" one.
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g********2
发帖数: 182 | 7 dude, that's exactly his problem...
When he plays consistently, he is simply just not good enough to beat FF; of
course he can adjust his tactics (playing more aggressive) in order to beat
FF, but then he losses his consistency.
In a nutshell, he is just not good enough. It has nothing to do with fortune
. However, he is still young. He will get his chance if he can REALLY
concentrate on improving his tennis skill for a couple of months.
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: Why not? He's been in final twice already and arguably choked in
: both finals. I followed his AO 2010 and he was quite consistent
: before the final.
:
: 't
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m*****r
发帖数: 3822 | 8 你僵费了。。
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: 因为是浪费时间啊，状态起伏太大，上几场的优良表现根本无法用来预测
: 下一场的表现。还不如等他进了8强再开始看几场，省很多时间。
: 这次这个左腿受伤也是莫名其妙。前两场总共才花了3小时，根本谈不上
: 体力透支，这场就突然左腿受伤，然后发球立刻就废了，4个脚误（偶以前
: 还从没见他脚误），只能1发当作2发(100mph)，基本上没什么可打的了。
: Wawrinka运气好，右腿受伤，基本不影响发球，只会影响一点正手open
: stance。
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 9 Saturday's defeat is obviously not because he is not GOOD enough.
I didn't watch the first 1.5 sets and didn't know what happened.
But 0 aces in first 2 sets is definitely sth wrong with Murray.
Granted he was not good enough to beat 2008 and 2010's Federer,
he does not need to be that good to win a slam. Federer is getting
older everyday and his level will inevitably drop. So far nobody
else has turned up with Federer's hard court level yet.
of
beat
fortune
【在 g********2 的大作中提到】
: dude, that's exactly his problem...
: When he plays consistently, he is simply just not good enough to beat FF; of
: course he can adjust his tactics (playing more aggressive) in order to beat
: FF, but then he losses his consistency.
: In a nutshell, he is just not good enough. It has nothing to do with fortune
: . However, he is still young. He will get his chance if he can REALLY
: concentrate on improving his tennis skill for a couple of months.
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g********2
发帖数: 182 | 10 It is totally a different story for him to win a slam after FF significantly
drops his level. He needs a signature win! Otherwise he is always in the
shadow of FF. How sympathetic!
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: Saturday's defeat is obviously not because he is not GOOD enough.
: I didn't watch the first 1.5 sets and didn't know what happened.
: But 0 aces in first 2 sets is definitely sth wrong with Murray.
: Granted he was not good enough to beat 2008 and 2010's Federer,
: he does not need to be that good to win a slam. Federer is getting
: older everyday and his level will inevitably drop. So far nobody
: else has turned up with Federer's hard court level yet.
:
: of
: beat
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 11 He can still win FF ah, e.g., 2012's FF is surely worse than
2010's FF.
significantly
【在 g********2 的大作中提到】
: It is totally a different story for him to win a slam after FF significantly
: drops his level. He needs a signature win! Otherwise he is always in the
: shadow of FF. How sympathetic!
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a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 12 我已经说过了，murray和joker的技术总体来说已经不错了，其实最关键的就是心理素
质不过关。尤其面对ff的时候，没有一种信念说自己一定能赢。这就是他们跟豆豆的最
大区别。。。
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: Saturday's defeat is obviously not because he is not GOOD enough.
: I didn't watch the first 1.5 sets and didn't know what happened.
: But 0 aces in first 2 sets is definitely sth wrong with Murray.
: Granted he was not good enough to beat 2008 and 2010's Federer,
: he does not need to be that good to win a slam. Federer is getting
: older everyday and his level will inevitably drop. So far nobody
: else has turned up with Federer's hard court level yet.
:
: of
: beat
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O*****g
发帖数: 1257 | 13 Murray is leading Fed in their H2H (7:5). He is just not born for the big
stage.
【在 a*****3 的大作中提到】
: 我已经说过了，murray和joker的技术总体来说已经不错了，其实最关键的就是心理素
: 质不过关。尤其面对ff的时候，没有一种信念说自己一定能赢。这就是他们跟豆豆的最
: 大区别。。。
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 14 Murray and Joker is not as good as Nadal, they don't own a percentage
shot that can 压制 FF. Because of that, any win over FF is like a
gamble which cannot be reproduced.
Murray does show edge over Nadal on hard court so far, because he has
a solution -- his forehand is good enough to handle Nadal's backhand;
and he can hit down the line with backhand. But Murray doesn't have
信念 on grass court due to lack of solution.
【在 a*****3 的大作中提到】
: 我已经说过了，murray和joker的技术总体来说已经不错了，其实最关键的就是心理素
: 质不过关。尤其面对ff的时候，没有一种信念说自己一定能赢。这就是他们跟豆豆的最
: 大区别。。。
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a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 15 这就是我说的，光看数据不靠铺呀。赢的都是小东西，一到大的，马上歇了~~
【在 O*****g 的大作中提到】
: Murray is leading Fed in their H2H (7:5). He is just not born for the big
: stage.
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g********2
发帖数: 182 | 16 BTW, let me re-state my point in other words.
Murray typically plays a defensive tennis with great consistency. He can
also play great offensive tennis (last met with Nadal), possibly with a
litter sacrifice of consistency (I guess, but at least it's logically right)
. However, in order to beat FF, he needs to find the premium point where he
can play offensive and defensive tennis in a balanced manner. That's what I
meant for him to improve his tennis skill. It's not easy, many people don't
get
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: Saturday's defeat is obviously not because he is not GOOD enough.
: I didn't watch the first 1.5 sets and didn't know what happened.
: But 0 aces in first 2 sets is definitely sth wrong with Murray.
: Granted he was not good enough to beat 2008 and 2010's Federer,
: he does not need to be that good to win a slam. Federer is getting
: older everyday and his level will inevitably drop. So far nobody
: else has turned up with Federer's hard court level yet.
:
: of
: beat
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a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 17 sigh...一看你说的，就知道是心理问题了，murray又不是没赢过ff,当然每次赢都是不
容易，谁赢ff能容易的？(除了豆豆在红土上)到了他们这些level,主要讲的就是比赛中
的game plan,strategy.没有一招毙命的招数，就要靠扬长避短了。比赛过程中肯定有
起伏，如果没有一种坚定的信念来面对强大的对手，很容易就崩溃了。
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: Murray and Joker is not as good as Nadal, they don't own a percentage
: shot that can 压制 FF. Because of that, any win over FF is like a
: gamble which cannot be reproduced.
: Murray does show edge over Nadal on hard court so far, because he has
: a solution -- his forehand is good enough to handle Nadal's backhand;
: and he can hit down the line with backhand. But Murray doesn't have
: 信念 on grass court due to lack of solution.
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 18 In my opinion, Murray's game is depending on his return of serve.
It happened to be harder to return Federer's serve than Nadal's
(although Nadal's serves are also good). Murray needs his return
to set up aggressiveness. Of course he doesn't need that if he
can consistently serve well himself and hold. But he can't. Almost
all big matched he choked in, he served poorly (except the WM 2009
semi against Roddick).
So against Federer, unless Federer is old enough that Murray can
hold serve easily, t
【在 g********2 的大作中提到】
: BTW, let me re-state my point in other words.
: Murray typically plays a defensive tennis with great consistency. He can
: also play great offensive tennis (last met with Nadal), possibly with a
: litter sacrifice of consistency (I guess, but at least it's logically right)
: . However, in order to beat FF, he needs to find the premium point where he
: can play offensive and defensive tennis in a balanced manner. That's what I
: meant for him to improve his tennis skill. It's not easy, many people don't
: get
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b**k
发帖数: 11850 | |
O*****g
发帖数: 1257 | 20 exactly...to beat Fed, you need that extra something, which only Rafa can
consistently offer, while Murray and Djoker can not.
【在 a*****3 的大作中提到】
: sigh...一看你说的，就知道是心理问题了，murray又不是没赢过ff,当然每次赢都是不
: 容易，谁赢ff能容易的？(除了豆豆在红土上)到了他们这些level,主要讲的就是比赛中
: 的game plan,strategy.没有一招毙命的招数，就要靠扬长避短了。比赛过程中肯定有
: 起伏，如果没有一种坚定的信念来面对强大的对手，很容易就崩溃了。
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 21 I will support Nadal but I'm not really interested in watching
most of the matches.
【在 b**k 的大作中提到】
: 僵尸活血了你就不看了？
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a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 22 OH MY GOD! NOT AGAIN!!
PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE!!!!!
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: I will support Nadal but I'm not really interested in watching
: most of the matches.
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 23 But it worked in FO and WM ah.
【在 a*****3 的大作中提到】
: OH MY GOD! NOT AGAIN!!
: PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE!!!!!
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b**k
发帖数: 11850 | 24 。。lol。。
【在 a*****3 的大作中提到】
: OH MY GOD! NOT AGAIN!!
: PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE!!!!!
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a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 25 i don't care if it works in any other places.
For sure, it DOES NOT work in US OPEN!!
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: But it worked in FO and WM ah.
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 26 But he is No.2 in my list and I have to support him ah.
However, pure unbiased analysis tells me Federer still has the best
chance, followed by Nadal.
【在 a*****3 的大作中提到】
: i don't care if it works in any other places.
: For sure, it DOES NOT work in US OPEN!!
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a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 27 No, you don't have to!! What should I do to let you leave 豆豆 alone?? How
about personally giving you 10 baozi??
like I said, your so-called pure unbiased analysis 不靠铺.
instead, your fan list is very 靠铺!!
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: But he is No.2 in my list and I have to support him ah.
: However, pure unbiased analysis tells me Federer still has the best
: chance, followed by Nadal.
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 28 More practical way is to find me another No.2. There is none
who interests me currently.
【在 a*****3 的大作中提到】
: No, you don't have to!! What should I do to let you leave 豆豆 alone?? How
: about personally giving you 10 baozi??
: like I said, your so-called pure unbiased analysis 不靠铺.
: instead, your fan list is very 靠铺!!
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R*****n
发帖数: 610 | 29 I was confused about what happened too. It seems like Murray wasn't happy
about himself. But that is just the beginning of 3rd set. The score was 1:1
and Wawrinka started to crank..
Anyway, Murray still doesn't have the heart to win a GS yet. FF is totally
different in GS. First, he is well prepared. Second, even he is up and down,
he can always calm himself down and re-focus. He overcome his sickness to
barely edge out TIPS on AO is just a typical example.
Same for Nadal and Pete, they never gi |
O*****g
发帖数: 1257 | 30 I watched the 1st/2nd round match of Murray, and I thought he's in top form.
But somehow he just wilted when facing Stan. Very puzzling.
1
down,
【在 R*****n 的大作中提到】
: I was confused about what happened too. It seems like Murray wasn't happy
: about himself. But that is just the beginning of 3rd set. The score was 1:1
: and Wawrinka started to crank..
: Anyway, Murray still doesn't have the heart to win a GS yet. FF is totally
: different in GS. First, he is well prepared. Second, even he is up and down,
: he can always calm himself down and re-focus. He overcome his sickness to
: barely edge out TIPS on AO is just a typical example.
: Same for Nadal and Pete, they never gi
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t****7
发帖数: 11132 | 31 以僵尸的条件，如果职业生涯拿一个GS，是幸运呢还是不幸呢？
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: 唯一的解释就是僵尸天生脆弱，容易受伤/生病。所以少看其比赛可能是一个
: 有利的调整。如果他碰巧能保持状态，在硬地上还是有可能能捞一个GS的。
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 32 偶看这个算是比较合适的目标。他自己也只订了这么个目标。
【在 t****7 的大作中提到】
: 以僵尸的条件，如果职业生涯拿一个GS，是幸运呢还是不幸呢？
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r****x
发帖数: 3613 | 33 这个gs很可能是AO。wimbly就算了吧，英国人没那命
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: 偶看这个算是比较合适的目标。他自己也只订了这么个目标。
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m******s
发帖数: 165 | 34 我猜他就是第二场搞糟了。。。碰到个胡打的小黑把手感搞没了，然后听说他打完比赛
还专门去练习了一会儿来着
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: 因为是浪费时间啊，状态起伏太大，上几场的优良表现根本无法用来预测
: 下一场的表现。还不如等他进了8强再开始看几场，省很多时间。
: 这次这个左腿受伤也是莫名其妙。前两场总共才花了3小时，根本谈不上
: 体力透支，这场就突然左腿受伤，然后发球立刻就废了，4个脚误（偶以前
: 还从没见他脚误），只能1发当作2发(100mph)，基本上没什么可打的了。
: Wawrinka运气好，右腿受伤，基本不影响发球，只会影响一点正手open
: stance。
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 35 第三场不是手感的问题。他到后来瘸了腿还能破发对手，而且很多winner。
根本原因就是怪异受伤。
【在 m******s 的大作中提到】
: 我猜他就是第二场搞糟了。。。碰到个胡打的小黑把手感搞没了，然后听说他打完比赛
: 还专门去练习了一会儿来着
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r*********7
发帖数: 623 | 36 穆雷曾说赢费德勒比拿冠军更重要，我说这人怎么这么傻啊
今年Toronto上已经卫冕了，还要拼着老命在Cincinnati上和fish死磕，不就是上半年
fish连赢两次么，大赛前还要拼得体力就透支了，真是一根筋。相比老费就聪明多了，
在Toronto决赛前连和伯蒂奇德约各打了两个多小时，决赛也不和穆雷死拼，体力留在
大赛。连纳达尔今年都已经改变战略，不敢过多参赛死拼 |
d******n
发帖数: 12850 | 37 费德勒还多伦多跟cincy两个决赛呢，要说费体力，老费费得多了，看不出半点 “
相比老费就聪明多了”。。。
事后诸葛亮的意味太重了
【在 r*********7 的大作中提到】
: 穆雷曾说赢费德勒比拿冠军更重要，我说这人怎么这么傻啊
: 今年Toronto上已经卫冕了，还要拼着老命在Cincinnati上和fish死磕，不就是上半年
: fish连赢两次么，大赛前还要拼得体力就透支了，真是一根筋。相比老费就聪明多了，
: 在Toronto决赛前连和伯蒂奇德约各打了两个多小时，决赛也不和穆雷死拼，体力留在
: 大赛。连纳达尔今年都已经改变战略，不敢过多参赛死拼
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r*********7
发帖数: 623 | 38 说实话老费Cincinnati上也没费多大体能啊，前两轮连收两个退赛大礼，后面碰上
Davydenko Baghdatis也就在决赛和fish打了三盘
穆雷美网前打了三周的比赛
【在 d******n 的大作中提到】
: 费德勒还多伦多跟cincy两个决赛呢，要说费体力，老费费得多了，看不出半点 “
: 相比老费就聪明多了”。。。
: 事后诸葛亮的意味太重了
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