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Tennis版 - 2010 ATP match facts
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Karlovic served 156mphNadal challenges his own serve?
菲菲走了,冠军基本上是豆子的。Nadal's serve wow
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充分说明Nadal的最高水平是高于Murray的这个双打的BRY也会胯下击球
相关话题的讨论汇总
话题: won%话题: serve话题: points话题: 1st话题: games
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K****D
发帖数: 30533
1
Currently:
Nadal is
#38 in aces
#5 in 1st serve%
#21 in 1st serve points won%
#1 in 2nd serve points won%
#3 in service games won%
#1 in break points saved%
#7 in points won% returning 1st serve
#1 in points won% returning 2nd serve
#2 in break points converted%
#1 in return games won%
t****7
发帖数: 11132
2
发球不是一般的差,有很大提升空间.
a*****3
发帖数: 10373
3
1. what is different between 1st serve% and 1st serve points won%?
2. why is there no 2nd serve%?

【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: Currently:
: Nadal is
: #38 in aces
: #5 in 1st serve%
: #21 in 1st serve points won%
: #1 in 2nd serve points won%
: #3 in service games won%
: #1 in break points saved%
: #7 in points won% returning 1st serve
: #1 in points won% returning 2nd serve

y****2
发帖数: 1601
4
He probably could not improve much more because he is naturally right handed
but playing left handed. I really wish he can serve bigger so that he can
save some energy in his service games, but it is not easy for him to do that.

【在 t****7 的大作中提到】
: 发球不是一般的差,有很大提升空间.
y****2
发帖数: 1601
5
(1)1st serve % is the % of first serve that goes in, and you can lose the
point still. 1st serve point won % is the % of points won when the first
serve goes in.
(2) most people would be 90 and above for the 2nd serve %, unless double fault like crazy. Therefore it is a useless statistics.

【在 a*****3 的大作中提到】
: 1. what is different between 1st serve% and 1st serve points won%?
: 2. why is there no 2nd serve%?

K****D
发帖数: 30533
6
He is No.3 in service games won, just behind Roddick and Karlovic.
He is even better than Federer.

【在 t****7 的大作中提到】
: 发球不是一般的差,有很大提升空间.
a*****3
发帖数: 10373
7
got it. thanks :)

fault like crazy. Therefore it is a useless statistics.

【在 y****2 的大作中提到】
: (1)1st serve % is the % of first serve that goes in, and you can lose the
: point still. 1st serve point won % is the % of points won when the first
: serve goes in.
: (2) most people would be 90 and above for the 2nd serve %, unless double fault like crazy. Therefore it is a useless statistics.

y****2
发帖数: 1601
8
A lot of Rafa's service games will go to Deuce but not for Roddick and
Karlovic.

【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: He is No.3 in service games won, just behind Roddick and Karlovic.
: He is even better than Federer.

K****D
发帖数: 30533
9
1. 1st serve percentage means how many 1st serves are in;
1st serve points won% means if the 1st serve is in, how much
chance the point is won.
3. 2nd serve% is supposed to be near 100% and there is no
point comparing that.

【在 a*****3 的大作中提到】
: 1. what is different between 1st serve% and 1st serve points won%?
: 2. why is there no 2nd serve%?

y****2
发帖数: 1601
10
you bet, brother.

【在 a*****3 的大作中提到】
: got it. thanks :)
:
: fault like crazy. Therefore it is a useless statistics.

相关主题
菲菲走了,冠军基本上是豆子的。Rafa Nadal一片基情四射的推文
问一下,飞飞如何能拼年终第一When Djokovic was young
充分说明Nadal的最高水平是高于Murray的FF serve for the 2nd set
y****2
发帖数: 1601
11
I was thinking whether it would be close to 100%. I actually originally
wrote 99% and above, but remembered sometimes people double fault 3-4 times
for a three set match. If for each service game, you serve 4 times, that is
4*6*3=72 serves (of course only an approximate depend on how many games you
serve for each set), that is 3/72=4%.

【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: 1. 1st serve percentage means how many 1st serves are in;
: 1st serve points won% means if the 1st serve is in, how much
: chance the point is won.
: 3. 2nd serve% is supposed to be near 100% and there is no
: point comparing that.

B*X
发帖数: 92
12
For more numbers, here is a link for your reading pleasure - in case you
have not read this.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704103904575336984166968328.html?mod=WSJ_LifeStyle_Lifestyle_5

【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: Currently:
: Nadal is
: #38 in aces
: #5 in 1st serve%
: #21 in 1st serve points won%
: #1 in 2nd serve points won%
: #3 in service games won%
: #1 in break points saved%
: #7 in points won% returning 1st serve
: #1 in points won% returning 2nd serve

K****D
发帖数: 30533
13
Let's do some simple maths.
Nadal has 69% 1st serve in, winning 74% of those.
For the rest 31% 2ns serves, he won 59% of those.
Overall: 69%*74% + 31%*59% = 69% of service points won
Nadal has 70% 1st serve in, winning 79% of those.
For the rest 30% 2ns serves, he won 57% of those.
Overall: 70%*79% + 30%*57% = 72% of service points won
Indeed there is a difference. But Roddick is No.1 in service
games won with 92% while Nadal is just No.3 with 90%. The
two sets of statistics generally agree with

【在 y****2 的大作中提到】
: A lot of Rafa's service games will go to Deuce but not for Roddick and
: Karlovic.

K****D
发帖数: 30533
14
My bad, anything above 90% sound near 100% to me. Note I am
an engineer, hehe.

times
is
you

【在 y****2 的大作中提到】
: I was thinking whether it would be close to 100%. I actually originally
: wrote 99% and above, but remembered sometimes people double fault 3-4 times
: for a three set match. If for each service game, you serve 4 times, that is
: 4*6*3=72 serves (of course only an approximate depend on how many games you
: serve for each set), that is 3/72=4%.

y****2
发帖数: 1601
15
sure, but you are only talking about % here. My point was Rafa need to work
more for his service game, which means you need to count the actual number
of points but not just the percentage.

【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: Let's do some simple maths.
: Nadal has 69% 1st serve in, winning 74% of those.
: For the rest 31% 2ns serves, he won 59% of those.
: Overall: 69%*74% + 31%*59% = 69% of service points won
: Nadal has 70% 1st serve in, winning 79% of those.
: For the rest 30% 2ns serves, he won 57% of those.
: Overall: 70%*79% + 30%*57% = 72% of service points won
: Indeed there is a difference. But Roddick is No.1 in service
: games won with 92% while Nadal is just No.3 with 90%. The
: two sets of statistics generally agree with

y****2
发帖数: 1601
16
haha, you are excused. :P

【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: My bad, anything above 90% sound near 100% to me. Note I am
: an engineer, hehe.
:
: times
: is
: you

K****D
发帖数: 30533
17
It's true but you also need to notice that deuce games will drag
down the percentage.
Winning by 6 points to 4 (two deuces) is 60%.
Winning by 4 points to 2 (no deuces) is 66%.
In another words these two statistics are not necessarily linearly
correlated but they are highly coupled.

work

【在 y****2 的大作中提到】
: sure, but you are only talking about % here. My point was Rafa need to work
: more for his service game, which means you need to count the actual number
: of points but not just the percentage.

y****2
发帖数: 1601
18
I thought about that too but was too lazy to think deeper. After all I am
only a biologist. Maths is not my strong suite. This has been enough
braining storming for me today. bow to you 数据 king.

【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: It's true but you also need to notice that deuce games will drag
: down the percentage.
: Winning by 6 points to 4 (two deuces) is 60%.
: Winning by 4 points to 2 (no deuces) is 66%.
: In another words these two statistics are not necessarily linearly
: correlated but they are highly coupled.
:
: work

h****n
发帖数: 4860
19
#1 in break points saved%
#2 in break points converted%
这两个很牛
K****D
发帖数: 30533
20
hah, I've heard of the author Goodall.

【在 B*X 的大作中提到】
: For more numbers, here is a link for your reading pleasure - in case you
: have not read this.
: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704103904575336984166968328.html?mod=WSJ_LifeStyle_Lifestyle_5

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Li vs Lisicki 开始了!偶还是认为菠萝赢在接发球上
Nadal challenges his own serve?这个双打的BRY也会胯下击球
Nadal's serve wowGo Raonic
K****D
发帖数: 30533
21
I like these two more:
#3 in service games won%
#1 in return games won%
hoho.

【在 h****n 的大作中提到】
: #1 in break points saved%
: #2 in break points converted%
: 这两个很牛

K****D
发帖数: 30533
22
Federer:
#10 in aces
#26 in 1st serve%
#8 in 1st serve points won%
#2 in 2nd serve points won%
#4 in service games won%
#6 in break points saved%
#5 in points won% returning 1st serve
#13 in points won% returning 2nd serve
#40 in break points converted%
#13 in return games won%

【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: Currently:
: Nadal is
: #38 in aces
: #5 in 1st serve%
: #21 in 1st serve points won%
: #1 in 2nd serve points won%
: #3 in service games won%
: #1 in break points saved%
: #7 in points won% returning 1st serve
: #1 in points won% returning 2nd serve

y****2
发帖数: 1601
23
wow

I am surprised that the #1 in break points converted% is Hewitt. I had
thought it would be your Murray.

【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: Federer:
: #10 in aces
: #26 in 1st serve%
: #8 in 1st serve points won%
: #2 in 2nd serve points won%
: #4 in service games won%
: #6 in break points saved%
: #5 in points won% returning 1st serve
: #13 in points won% returning 2nd serve
: #40 in break points converted%

j***b
发帖数: 5901
24
How did Fed win all those slams?

【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: Federer:
: #10 in aces
: #26 in 1st serve%
: #8 in 1st serve points won%
: #2 in 2nd serve points won%
: #4 in service games won%
: #6 in break points saved%
: #5 in points won% returning 1st serve
: #13 in points won% returning 2nd serve
: #40 in break points converted%

a*****3
发帖数: 10373
25
Is this YTD based?

【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: Currently:
: Nadal is
: #38 in aces
: #5 in 1st serve%
: #21 in 1st serve points won%
: #1 in 2nd serve points won%
: #3 in service games won%
: #1 in break points saved%
: #7 in points won% returning 1st serve
: #1 in points won% returning 2nd serve

K****D
发帖数: 30533
26
These are the statistics of 2010.
#4 in service games won%
#13 in return games won%
This is actually a not-bad combination.
Nadal's #3 and #1 is insane.

【在 j***b 的大作中提到】
: How did Fed win all those slams?
K****D
发帖数: 30533
27
Of course ah.

【在 a*****3 的大作中提到】
: Is this YTD based?
j***b
发帖数: 5901
28
Nadal's data may be biased due to the clay season.

【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: These are the statistics of 2010.
: #4 in service games won%
: #13 in return games won%
: This is actually a not-bad combination.
: Nadal's #3 and #1 is insane.

K****D
发帖数: 30533
29
Murray's numbers are horrible now. But with a full half-year of
hard court competition, his numbers are expected to rise.
Nadal's numbers should drop a little, while Federer's should be
stable or rise a little.

【在 y****2 的大作中提到】
: wow
:
: I am surprised that the #1 in break points converted% is Hewitt. I had
: thought it would be your Murray.

a*****3
发帖数: 10373
30
This is YTD based la. So not surprised.

【在 j***b 的大作中提到】
: How did Fed win all those slams?
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W*********l
发帖数: 624
31
his 1st serves are essentially the same as his 2nd serves?

【在 a*****3 的大作中提到】
: 1. what is different between 1st serve% and 1st serve points won%?
: 2. why is there no 2nd serve%?

t****7
发帖数: 11132
32
Rafa indeed needs to serve more Aces if he wants to win more on hard court,
even though it's difficult since he is not a naturally left-hand player. But
since he improved his serve already, let's see what is the outcome in USO.
b*****t
发帖数: 758
33
What AK really meant was "Got you."

【在 y****2 的大作中提到】
: you bet, brother.
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