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y******g
发帖数: 101
1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H62f6Z3-3_o&feature=related
咋觉得跟华人高手差不多呢?可能咱们比较谦虚,高手也就号称个4.5、5.0什么的。呼
唤版上的牛人奔一下。
Y**s
发帖数: 1632
2
I don't think anyone on the board is of these guys level. It's got nothing
to do with 谦虚. The fact is these are ex-collegiate players who will crush
everyone on the board - and this is probably not their prime - both of them
are racket testers for tennis warehouse.
Oh but the black dude foot faults just about every serve :D

【在 y******g 的大作中提到】
: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H62f6Z3-3_o&feature=related
: 咋觉得跟华人高手差不多呢?可能咱们比较谦虚,高手也就号称个4.5、5.0什么的。呼
: 唤版上的牛人奔一下。

w********u
发帖数: 1865
3
版上高手基本没人可以从他们手里拿到一个game,能拿多少point都是看天收。

【在 y******g 的大作中提到】
: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H62f6Z3-3_o&feature=related
: 咋觉得跟华人高手差不多呢?可能咱们比较谦虚,高手也就号称个4.5、5.0什么的。呼
: 唤版上的牛人奔一下。

a*m
发帖数: 6253
4
You are too low key leh.
I remember there is a 5.0 player also saying the same thing to all the
water-ers here... but he put a meal as awards...

【在 w********u 的大作中提到】
: 版上高手基本没人可以从他们手里拿到一个game,能拿多少point都是看天收。
a*m
发帖数: 6253
5
College player at this age is not that scary leh.
5 years later they will be 4.5+/5.0...?
we have plenty of young guns here...
S****u
发帖数: 597
6
华人高手能拿4.5就不错了
没有人家修炼的机会啊

【在 y******g 的大作中提到】
: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H62f6Z3-3_o&feature=related
: 咋觉得跟华人高手差不多呢?可能咱们比较谦虚,高手也就号称个4.5、5.0什么的。呼
: 唤版上的牛人奔一下。

w********u
发帖数: 1865
7
但是他们的consistancy完全不是我们可以比的,我见过几个前college player练球,
他们中速ground stroke连续几十甚至上百都不会失误的,就算他们不进攻,我们也顶
不住的,而且他们的中速球对我们都算有点快了。

【在 a*m 的大作中提到】
: College player at this age is not that scary leh.
: 5 years later they will be 4.5+/5.0...?
: we have plenty of young guns here...

d******t
发帖数: 648
8
发球/接发球不行,都是白谈
g*****y
发帖数: 7271
9
Care to share one video you think is at similar level to these guys?

【在 y******g 的大作中提到】
: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H62f6Z3-3_o&feature=related
: 咋觉得跟华人高手差不多呢?可能咱们比较谦虚,高手也就号称个4.5、5.0什么的。呼
: 唤版上的牛人奔一下。

a*m
发帖数: 6253
10
OK, the first point, consistency:
So you don't really know these guys in the video or on the board...
At their prime time, maybe they are consistent, but after 35...
No footwork, no consistency...
The second, to get a game, no consistency needed... All you need is good
serve...
I know here some one can serve 120mph(measured by laser meter)...
I believe CC can get his serve games from those guys for sure...
I could get 2 or 3 games when my serve was in place from a former pro
(should be younger t

【在 w********u 的大作中提到】
: 但是他们的consistancy完全不是我们可以比的,我见过几个前college player练球,
: 他们中速ground stroke连续几十甚至上百都不会失误的,就算他们不进攻,我们也顶
: 不住的,而且他们的中速球对我们都算有点快了。

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a*****3
发帖数: 10373
11
"...There are couple of young guys growing up here and never ben-ed...
They just don't like to show off or type in chinese..."
Yoss is one of them??

【在 a*m 的大作中提到】
: OK, the first point, consistency:
: So you don't really know these guys in the video or on the board...
: At their prime time, maybe they are consistent, but after 35...
: No footwork, no consistency...
: The second, to get a game, no consistency needed... All you need is good
: serve...
: I know here some one can serve 120mph(measured by laser meter)...
: I believe CC can get his serve games from those guys for sure...
: I could get 2 or 3 games when my serve was in place from a former pro
: (should be younger t

B******a
发帖数: 601
12
the 6.0 player is only 24. Still at his prime tennis age. Honest I don't
even dream to win a game from him. Not low key, it is just mission
impossible. If you can win a couple of games from him, definitely I think
you are the best tennis player from Mainland China and you are my idol
forever.

【在 a*m 的大作中提到】
: College player at this age is not that scary leh.
: 5 years later they will be 4.5+/5.0...?
: we have plenty of young guns here...

a*m
发帖数: 6253
13
Wow, he is really young, but his score in NCAA is not really that
impressive.
And i am obviously not the best player from mainland, not even in my
city...
And the argument is really pointless...

think

【在 B******a 的大作中提到】
: the 6.0 player is only 24. Still at his prime tennis age. Honest I don't
: even dream to win a game from him. Not low key, it is just mission
: impossible. If you can win a couple of games from him, definitely I think
: you are the best tennis player from Mainland China and you are my idol
: forever.

a*m
发帖数: 6253
14
No idea. Hehe, Yoss, are you second gen or come to the states from high
school?
I knew couple of kids got scholarship from tennis... in Ivy...

【在 a*****3 的大作中提到】
: "...There are couple of young guys growing up here and never ben-ed...
: They just don't like to show off or type in chinese..."
: Yoss is one of them??

a*m
发帖数: 6253
15
On the other hand, i believe he is not in active training anymore since he
has graduated. For college player, that means not prime time anymore leh.

think

【在 B******a 的大作中提到】
: the 6.0 player is only 24. Still at his prime tennis age. Honest I don't
: even dream to win a game from him. Not low key, it is just mission
: impossible. If you can win a couple of games from him, definitely I think
: you are the best tennis player from Mainland China and you are my idol
: forever.

a*m
发帖数: 6253
16
Un-official video and real playing is not really positive co-related, maybe
better because more relaxed or way worse cause not serious.
But from the video itself, I don't know why you guys think these two are
super stars not a normal tennis Joe even with college scholar, which is not
a mission impossible but a normal life for tens of kids in the states: there
are more than 30 schools have scholarship for tennis team which will have
about 10~16 kids in each team, which means there are 60~100 kid
Y**s
发帖数: 1632
17
I came to the states when I'm about 11. I'm nowhere near these guy's level.
I have played against division II/III college players since my college team
is division II at the time. If these guys are DII, they would be near the
top DII players. DI school's level is significantly higher than that of II/
III schools imo.
I have played once or twice with OSU players (lower seeded players in a top
ranked D1 school), and it was a joke. There are even some ex-pro here as
well, I actually hit with on

【在 a*m 的大作中提到】
: No idea. Hehe, Yoss, are you second gen or come to the states from high
: school?
: I knew couple of kids got scholarship from tennis... in Ivy...

B******a
发帖数: 601
18
I don't know Wake Forest was Tier2 or Tier3 when this guy played. But
currently Wake Forest tennis is No 22 in NCAA. Definitely not Tier2.
Lot of Tier1 tennis players become semi-pro or pro after they graduate.
Although they can not play at ATP level. They do play lot at local
tournament or satellite tournament. Many are coaches at local club.
I am 4.0(self rating, not official but quite accurate)and I gave quit a few
solid 3.5 players(official)bagels. I really don't know the result of a 6.0
pl

【在 a*m 的大作中提到】
: Un-official video and real playing is not really positive co-related, maybe
: better because more relaxed or way worse cause not serious.
: But from the video itself, I don't know why you guys think these two are
: super stars not a normal tennis Joe even with college scholar, which is not
: a mission impossible but a normal life for tens of kids in the states: there
: are more than 30 schools have scholarship for tennis team which will have
: about 10~16 kids in each team, which means there are 60~100 kid

a*m
发帖数: 6253
19

graduate.
a few
6.0
result.
4.0 bagel 3.5 is normal, and 4.0 bagel 4.5 is also normal.But even the
same player, you think you can guarantee to be able to do it all the
time? Try it next time when you meet them, and tell them you want to
bagel them... Nothing about prime or not.
I bageled 5.0 player in flex league when i was in 4.0 league, but that
does not mean he could not get games from me: that is totally differnet
meaning..

【在 B******a 的大作中提到】
: I don't know Wake Forest was Tier2 or Tier3 when this guy played. But
: currently Wake Forest tennis is No 22 in NCAA. Definitely not Tier2.
: Lot of Tier1 tennis players become semi-pro or pro after they graduate.
: Although they can not play at ATP level. They do play lot at local
: tournament or satellite tournament. Many are coaches at local club.
: I am 4.0(self rating, not official but quite accurate)and I gave quit a few
: solid 3.5 players(official)bagels. I really don't know the result of a 6.0
: pl

a*****3
发帖数: 10373
20
从这帖子可以看出牛人神人讨论的东西跟我们这些凡人的就是不一样。
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Y**s
发帖数: 1632
21
The thing is, ratings are earned over a course of many matches. It's true
that at any given moment, a much lower rated player has a (small) chance of
beating a much higher rated player. Heck maybe Federer suddenly has bad
full body muscle spasms and maybe even I can get a game from him lol
The question isn't "can any players here get a game or two from these guys"
- the answer to that is obviously yes - anything can happen.
But if you ask the question - is any players here at the same level o
B******a
发帖数: 601
22
Although it is quite nonsense to argue something which has not much meaning.
Let me give you something to evaluate the guy level. It is not science
theory but just for fun.
Remember I posted an video of a player who is coaching a 11 year old girl.
The guy who played for Minnesota Univ. He was No 5 single and his record was
35:28. Minnesota currently ranks 35. So my assumption is Minnesota is
similar level as Wake Forest.
The best achievement of Mariusz(the video guy) is "Adamski and Paul upset
u

【在 a*m 的大作中提到】
:
: graduate.
: a few
: 6.0
: result.
: 4.0 bagel 3.5 is normal, and 4.0 bagel 4.5 is also normal.But even the
: same player, you think you can guarantee to be able to do it all the
: time? Try it next time when you meet them, and tell them you want to
: bagel them... Nothing about prime or not.
: I bageled 5.0 player in flex league when i was in 4.0 league, but that

a**s
发帖数: 9606
23
they are indeed high hand

【在 y******g 的大作中提到】
: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H62f6Z3-3_o&feature=related
: 咋觉得跟华人高手差不多呢?可能咱们比较谦虚,高手也就号称个4.5、5.0什么的。呼
: 唤版上的牛人奔一下。

a**s
发帖数: 9606
24
do not know how many games can cc get from them. But we
do have a 5.0 guy. Let cc tell us how many games he can
get from him.

maybe
not
there

【在 a*m 的大作中提到】
: Un-official video and real playing is not really positive co-related, maybe
: better because more relaxed or way worse cause not serious.
: But from the video itself, I don't know why you guys think these two are
: super stars not a normal tennis Joe even with college scholar, which is not
: a mission impossible but a normal life for tens of kids in the states: there
: are more than 30 schools have scholarship for tennis team which will have
: about 10~16 kids in each team, which means there are 60~100 kid

n***o
发帖数: 105
25
他们的发球很好,主要就差在这里
c*********e
发帖数: 1389
26
I do have pretty long history of hitting with two 5.0 guys: G and D.
G, African American and 29 years old, played in DI with limited and ugly win
/loss record but he was so determined after college that he trained himself
seriously and competed in challenge event for 3 years. Of course, his record
was bad. He was hell of an athlete. He skids on hard court as on clay. He
swings the racket so fast that you can hear the wind from your baseline.
My record against G
The first time we played was outdo

【在 a**s 的大作中提到】
: do not know how many games can cc get from them. But we
: do have a 5.0 guy. Let cc tell us how many games he can
: get from him.
:
: maybe
: not
: there

B******a
发帖数: 601
27
Thank you for sharing your experience. You are definitely high hand in this
forum.
aTm claims you can win 2 games from the 6.0 guy. Do you think it is possible
?

win
himself
record


【在 c*********e 的大作中提到】
: I do have pretty long history of hitting with two 5.0 guys: G and D.
: G, African American and 29 years old, played in DI with limited and ugly win
: /loss record but he was so determined after college that he trained himself
: seriously and competed in challenge event for 3 years. Of course, his record
: was bad. He was hell of an athlete. He skids on hard court as on clay. He
: swings the racket so fast that you can hear the wind from your baseline.
: My record against G
: The first time we played was outdo

k****3
发帖数: 2770
28
WOW! Nice experience. Thanks for sharing.

win
himself
record


【在 c*********e 的大作中提到】
: I do have pretty long history of hitting with two 5.0 guys: G and D.
: G, African American and 29 years old, played in DI with limited and ugly win
: /loss record but he was so determined after college that he trained himself
: seriously and competed in challenge event for 3 years. Of course, his record
: was bad. He was hell of an athlete. He skids on hard court as on clay. He
: swings the racket so fast that you can hear the wind from your baseline.
: My record against G
: The first time we played was outdo

S***e
发帖数: 4426
29
顶。这就是我为啥一看版上有人说什么暴力扑s之类的就觉得可笑的原因。
“中速ground stroke连续几十甚至上百都不会失误”就是基本功,没练到这程度,
怎么打也就是个玩意儿,根本谈不上暴力扑s。没这个基本功,说暴力其实就是胡抡,
说扑s其实就是瞎磨。

【在 w********u 的大作中提到】
: 但是他们的consistancy完全不是我们可以比的,我见过几个前college player练球,
: 他们中速ground stroke连续几十甚至上百都不会失误的,就算他们不进攻,我们也顶
: 不住的,而且他们的中速球对我们都算有点快了。

K****D
发帖数: 30533
30
In a certain level of USTA league, there are always pushers
and hard hitters. Be it 瞎磨 or 胡抡, they are still pushers
and hard hitters.
The fact is most tennis players can never achieve “中速ground
stroke连续几十甚至上百都不会失误” in the lifetime.

【在 S***e 的大作中提到】
: 顶。这就是我为啥一看版上有人说什么暴力扑s之类的就觉得可笑的原因。
: “中速ground stroke连续几十甚至上百都不会失误”就是基本功,没练到这程度,
: 怎么打也就是个玩意儿,根本谈不上暴力扑s。没这个基本功,说暴力其实就是胡抡,
: 说扑s其实就是瞎磨。

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S***e
发帖数: 4426
31
我觉得呢,没练到这个程度的就是玩玩儿而已,算不上球员。
其实版上说自己暴力的,和说自己扑s的,我感觉都是基本功不过关,问题都是连续发
几下力就会失误。如果想认真打而不是玩玩儿而已,都应该好好练同样的基本功。
USTA league其实大多也就是老头老太玩玩儿而已,谈什么暴力扑s我一样觉得挺可笑的。

【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: In a certain level of USTA league, there are always pushers
: and hard hitters. Be it 瞎磨 or 胡抡, they are still pushers
: and hard hitters.
: The fact is most tennis players can never achieve “中速ground
: stroke连续几十甚至上百都不会失误” in the lifetime.

a**s
发帖数: 9606
32
zan.. did I meet that G in any party before? Can not remember so

win
himself
record


【在 c*********e 的大作中提到】
: I do have pretty long history of hitting with two 5.0 guys: G and D.
: G, African American and 29 years old, played in DI with limited and ugly win
: /loss record but he was so determined after college that he trained himself
: seriously and competed in challenge event for 3 years. Of course, his record
: was bad. He was hell of an athlete. He skids on hard court as on clay. He
: swings the racket so fast that you can hear the wind from your baseline.
: My record against G
: The first time we played was outdo

s********a
发帖数: 328
33
有什么可笑的呢?这些都是相对的而已。
中速对于不同人有不同的概念,暴力对于不同人也有不同的概念。

【在 S***e 的大作中提到】
: 顶。这就是我为啥一看版上有人说什么暴力扑s之类的就觉得可笑的原因。
: “中速ground stroke连续几十甚至上百都不会失误”就是基本功,没练到这程度,
: 怎么打也就是个玩意儿,根本谈不上暴力扑s。没这个基本功,说暴力其实就是胡抡,
: 说扑s其实就是瞎磨。

a**s
发帖数: 9606
34
FT! 你这句可要得罪无数人了

【在 S***e 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得呢,没练到这个程度的就是玩玩儿而已,算不上球员。
: 其实版上说自己暴力的,和说自己扑s的,我感觉都是基本功不过关,问题都是连续发
: 几下力就会失误。如果想认真打而不是玩玩儿而已,都应该好好练同样的基本功。
: USTA league其实大多也就是老头老太玩玩儿而已,谈什么暴力扑s我一样觉得挺可笑的。

S***e
发帖数: 4426
35
哈哈,我说的是多数,当然还有少数啦。
这个是事实吧?反正我们这儿league里净是老头老太。

【在 a**s 的大作中提到】
: FT! 你这句可要得罪无数人了
a**s
发帖数: 9606
36
not true to my experience in MD and NJ/NY

【在 S***e 的大作中提到】
: 哈哈,我说的是多数,当然还有少数啦。
: 这个是事实吧?反正我们这儿league里净是老头老太。

K****D
发帖数: 30533
37
The dedication of USTA league players can be as serious as a
Div I college player. Although they don't make a living out of
it, the level of competition is no less than in pro level.
Often times you'll meet someone who is at the same level as you,
and you will have to work hard to get a win. Sometimes you may
meet the same opponent year after year, just like pro rivalry.
The seek of competition and sportsmanship is what drives many IDs
on this board active year long. It is not like if you can't

【在 S***e 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得呢,没练到这个程度的就是玩玩儿而已,算不上球员。
: 其实版上说自己暴力的,和说自己扑s的,我感觉都是基本功不过关,问题都是连续发
: 几下力就会失误。如果想认真打而不是玩玩儿而已,都应该好好练同样的基本功。
: USTA league其实大多也就是老头老太玩玩儿而已,谈什么暴力扑s我一样觉得挺可笑的。

S***e
发帖数: 4426
38
因为其实所谓暴力扑s本来是两种比赛战略。比如大家觉得murray是个扑s,但是
他该暴力的时候还是可以暴力的。不过他大多数比赛用扑s的战略更容易赢而已。
可是这个版里说的暴力扑s,大多时候就是怎么打自己比较爽。都是不能连续发力,
有人觉得发一锤子买卖爽了再说,有人觉得一直不发力的磨比较爽。其实对提高比
赛成绩而言,这两种人需要做的都是好好练习ground stroke,能做到连续发力而
少有失误,而不是选择暴力或者扑s的战略。

【在 s********a 的大作中提到】
: 有什么可笑的呢?这些都是相对的而已。
: 中速对于不同人有不同的概念,暴力对于不同人也有不同的概念。

c*********e
发帖数: 1389
39
I believe that I shared my view on a similar topic before, which was about
the highest USTA rating an average Chinese PhD/MS tennis enthusiast could
get. I thought a solid 4.0 would be quite a feat. Some with tennis training
in college or with intensive training in other sports could get to 4.5.
Let me give you guys some background information before I answer Bigmajia’s
question. My friend D, 5.0 in another post, has the strongest serve I have
ever played, way better than mine, and his return is

【在 B******a 的大作中提到】
: Thank you for sharing your experience. You are definitely high hand in this
: forum.
: aTm claims you can win 2 games from the 6.0 guy. Do you think it is possible
: ?
:
: win
: himself
: record
: ’

c*********e
发帖数: 1389
40
no, he left nj two years ago. insideout and acc28 saw me playing him.

【在 a**s 的大作中提到】
: zan.. did I meet that G in any party before? Can not remember so
:
: win
: himself
: record
: ’

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S***e
发帖数: 4426
41
哦?你们那里都是学生为主么?

【在 a**s 的大作中提到】
: not true to my experience in MD and NJ/NY
w********u
发帖数: 1865
42
我说的这个对DivI的college player来说根本不难(不是top的,就是DI里面二三流的
player),我经常看我们学校网球队的比赛,他们赛前热身ground stroke,经常就一
个球一直在打,完全没有失误。直到有人开始发力才会断。

【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: In a certain level of USTA league, there are always pushers
: and hard hitters. Be it 瞎磨 or 胡抡, they are still pushers
: and hard hitters.
: The fact is most tennis players can never achieve “中速ground
: stroke连续几十甚至上百都不会失误” in the lifetime.

c*********e
发帖数: 1389
43
zan, attitude.
USTA is good for amateurs. when you get 5.0 or 5.5, you can not find enough
players to set up league any more.

【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: The dedication of USTA league players can be as serious as a
: Div I college player. Although they don't make a living out of
: it, the level of competition is no less than in pro level.
: Often times you'll meet someone who is at the same level as you,
: and you will have to work hard to get a win. Sometimes you may
: meet the same opponent year after year, just like pro rivalry.
: The seek of competition and sportsmanship is what drives many IDs
: on this board active year long. It is not like if you can't

S****u
发帖数: 597
44
4.0以下吧,都是老头老太
你看看4.5+的,哪个不是猛女猛南

【在 S***e 的大作中提到】
: 哈哈,我说的是多数,当然还有少数啦。
: 这个是事实吧?反正我们这儿league里净是老头老太。

c*********e
发帖数: 1389
45
>50 老套老太太大的是senior, super senior or master usta.

【在 S***e 的大作中提到】
: 哦?你们那里都是学生为主么?
K****D
发帖数: 30533
46
I do not agree with you majorly in two points.
1) Imagine you'll need to play a USTA match tonight. Right now
you can only hit 10 ground strokes without error. What would you
do? To train ground strokes this afternoon? Or to figure out a
game plan? Or maybe just use the match as a ground stroke training
opportunity? It's fine to pick the last option, but people with
this attitude may not show enough quality in putting up against
challenges. In another word, they may never achieve what they
could

【在 S***e 的大作中提到】
: 因为其实所谓暴力扑s本来是两种比赛战略。比如大家觉得murray是个扑s,但是
: 他该暴力的时候还是可以暴力的。不过他大多数比赛用扑s的战略更容易赢而已。
: 可是这个版里说的暴力扑s,大多时候就是怎么打自己比较爽。都是不能连续发力,
: 有人觉得发一锤子买卖爽了再说,有人觉得一直不发力的磨比较爽。其实对提高比
: 赛成绩而言,这两种人需要做的都是好好练习ground stroke,能做到连续发力而
: 少有失误,而不是选择暴力或者扑s的战略。

S****u
发帖数: 597
47
我觉得
snape说的也没错
如果想提高纯靠pusher和自己习惯那一套是不行的
而且岁月不饶人,那些pusher的打法慢慢失效了,跑不动了因为体力变差
所以很多pusher老头两个赛季之后就歇菜了,直接从4.5掉到3.5

【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: I do not agree with you majorly in two points.
: 1) Imagine you'll need to play a USTA match tonight. Right now
: you can only hit 10 ground strokes without error. What would you
: do? To train ground strokes this afternoon? Or to figure out a
: game plan? Or maybe just use the match as a ground stroke training
: opportunity? It's fine to pick the last option, but people with
: this attitude may not show enough quality in putting up against
: challenges. In another word, they may never achieve what they
: could

K****D
发帖数: 30533
48
CC already pointed out that less than 10% players are NTRP 4.5 or
up, leaving the majority 4.0 or below, who cannot do that.

【在 w********u 的大作中提到】
: 我说的这个对DivI的college player来说根本不难(不是top的,就是DI里面二三流的
: player),我经常看我们学校网球队的比赛,他们赛前热身ground stroke,经常就一
: 个球一直在打,完全没有失误。直到有人开始发力才会断。

K****D
发帖数: 30533
49
They will continue to enjoy the competition in USTA 3.5 league.
That's their attitude.
My point is I appreciate this competitive attitude, regardless
of what your skill level is.

【在 S****u 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得
: snape说的也没错
: 如果想提高纯靠pusher和自己习惯那一套是不行的
: 而且岁月不饶人,那些pusher的打法慢慢失效了,跑不动了因为体力变差
: 所以很多pusher老头两个赛季之后就歇菜了,直接从4.5掉到3.5

Y**s
发帖数: 1632
50
pusher or not you are not going to be maintaining 4.5+ level once you are
older. If you cannot run, cannot change direction quickly, and have slower
reflexes, you cannot maintain the same level of game play regardless of how
perfect your technique is.
4.5 level I think is already extremely physically demanding. If you are old
and can still play at that level not only do you have very good technique
but also in EXCELLENT physical shape. To be honest a lot of ex 4.5+ level
players, when they ar

【在 S****u 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得
: snape说的也没错
: 如果想提高纯靠pusher和自己习惯那一套是不行的
: 而且岁月不饶人,那些pusher的打法慢慢失效了,跑不动了因为体力变差
: 所以很多pusher老头两个赛季之后就歇菜了,直接从4.5掉到3.5

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S****2
发帖数: 349
51
This is absolutely not true if your "版上高手" meant both water-ers and
divers. The players in the vedio are good, but not god.

【在 w********u 的大作中提到】
: 版上高手基本没人可以从他们手里拿到一个game,能拿多少point都是看天收。
S****u
发帖数: 597
52
那是赢球的时候啊,输球的时候就不enjoy了

【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: They will continue to enjoy the competition in USTA 3.5 league.
: That's their attitude.
: My point is I appreciate this competitive attitude, regardless
: of what your skill level is.

S***e
发帖数: 4426
53
我的确是不能appreciate 3.5比赛的competitive attitude。。。我面壁。。。
让我想起friends里的ross和monica。真的是特别不能理解。。。

【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: They will continue to enjoy the competition in USTA 3.5 league.
: That's their attitude.
: My point is I appreciate this competitive attitude, regardless
: of what your skill level is.

K****D
发帖数: 30533
54
I think you are still missing my point.
Put it this way:
Imagine Guy A and Guy B have the same style and same skill level.
Guy A plays with near 100% winning ratio in a USTA 3.5 league
and won national championship.
Guy B plays with near 50% winning ratio in a USTA 4.5 league
and never won any championship.
I appreciate guy B more.

【在 S****u 的大作中提到】
: 那是赢球的时候啊,输球的时候就不enjoy了
B******a
发帖数: 601
55
Thank you for your answer. I fully agree with you. For players coming from
mainland China, you are one of the best.
We play tennis for fun and we are amateur although we may be quite serious
about tennis. However we are not pro or semi pro who spend 20 hours every
week on the court.
I am proud of my tennis skill. But there is huge gap between me and the pro
players.

training
’s
have

【在 c*********e 的大作中提到】
: I believe that I shared my view on a similar topic before, which was about
: the highest USTA rating an average Chinese PhD/MS tennis enthusiast could
: get. I thought a solid 4.0 would be quite a feat. Some with tennis training
: in college or with intensive training in other sports could get to 4.5.
: Let me give you guys some background information before I answer Bigmajia’s
: question. My friend D, 5.0 in another post, has the strongest serve I have
: ever played, way better than mine, and his return is

w********u
发帖数: 1865
56
不怕拍的说一句,我真不信版上有人能从他们手里拿一个game。

【在 S****2 的大作中提到】
: This is absolutely not true if your "版上高手" meant both water-ers and
: divers. The players in the vedio are good, but not god.

B******a
发帖数: 601
57
The guy(6.0) was All-American in 2007 in double and went to semi final in
NCAA. In double he upset John Isner(ATP ranking 800s in 2007 and 18
currently) and his partner(ATP rank 1000 2007 and 850s currently) by 7:5 and
7:5.

【在 S****2 的大作中提到】
: This is absolutely not true if your "版上高手" meant both water-ers and
: divers. The players in the vedio are good, but not god.

c*********e
发帖数: 1389
58
Thank you for the compliment. For me, tennis is about social, having fun and
keeping in good shape.
I can share more information on this topic. This year we have another 5.0
player in our 9.0 team. In regional playoff, I watched his game carefully
and was totally amazed by it after losing mine badly:) I googled him. He has
a very interesting resume (beating andy roddick and Tursonov in junior):
http://etcheberryexperience.com/en/certification/profile/138
He is so famous in NJ coaching profession

【在 B******a 的大作中提到】
: Thank you for your answer. I fully agree with you. For players coming from
: mainland China, you are one of the best.
: We play tennis for fun and we are amateur although we may be quite serious
: about tennis. However we are not pro or semi pro who spend 20 hours every
: week on the court.
: I am proud of my tennis skill. But there is huge gap between me and the pro
: players.
:
: training
: ’s

c*********e
发帖数: 1389
59
player distribution according to USTA rating
5.5 (0.046%)
5.0 (0.87%)
4.5 (6.0%)
4.0 (21.4%)
3.5 (38.9%)
3.0 (26.6%)
2.5 (6.2%)
It is quite symetrical from 2.5 to 4.5. If we extrapolate to include 2.0 and
1.5, they will be as rare as 5.0 and 5.5. Is there a 1.5 rating in USTA? If
so, the definition of 1.5 is probably like " someone can hold a racket,
move on court and make a contact between racket and ball from time to time".
It would be many years ago for me when I laid my hands on a wooden rac

【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: CC already pointed out that less than 10% players are NTRP 4.5 or
: up, leaving the majority 4.0 or below, who cannot do that.

B******a
发帖数: 601
60
No any info about 6.0? or because they are not qualified because they are
pros?

and
If

【在 c*********e 的大作中提到】
: player distribution according to USTA rating
: 5.5 (0.046%)
: 5.0 (0.87%)
: 4.5 (6.0%)
: 4.0 (21.4%)
: 3.5 (38.9%)
: 3.0 (26.6%)
: 2.5 (6.2%)
: It is quite symetrical from 2.5 to 4.5. If we extrapolate to include 2.0 and
: 1.5, they will be as rare as 5.0 and 5.5. Is there a 1.5 rating in USTA? If

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K****D
发帖数: 30533
61
Wow, 3.5 is my goal -- extraordinarily ordinary.

and
If

【在 c*********e 的大作中提到】
: player distribution according to USTA rating
: 5.5 (0.046%)
: 5.0 (0.87%)
: 4.5 (6.0%)
: 4.0 (21.4%)
: 3.5 (38.9%)
: 3.0 (26.6%)
: 2.5 (6.2%)
: It is quite symetrical from 2.5 to 4.5. If we extrapolate to include 2.0 and
: 1.5, they will be as rare as 5.0 and 5.5. Is there a 1.5 rating in USTA? If

K****D
发帖数: 30533
62
I think the rating only goes to 5.5 bah. If Federer decides to play
USTA, he has to play in the 5.5 league.

【在 B******a 的大作中提到】
: No any info about 6.0? or because they are not qualified because they are
: pros?
:
: and
: If

a*****3
发帖数: 10373
63
how about my path, which was mentioned long back:
26.6% -> 38.9% -> 21.4% -> 6.2% ---------> 6.0%
K****D
发帖数: 30533
64
你越来越有个性了。

【在 a*****3 的大作中提到】
: how about my path, which was mentioned long back:
: 26.6% -> 38.9% -> 21.4% -> 6.2% ---------> 6.0%

a*****3
发帖数: 10373
65
泪流满面ing....

【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: 你越来越有个性了。
S****2
发帖数: 349
66
That's very impressive achievement.
I actually did not read any other long posts from famous IDs before I
replied, and my opinion won't change afterwards.
I actually thought the guy who lost was a better player in the match, the
winner just lined up 2~3 good serves to win. Oh, well, I just realized the
number after his name meant something, 6.0 vs. 5.5.
I think CC in top condition could make the winner of the tiebreak very
uncomfortable if the black dude were set out to bagel CC, although CC is

【在 B******a 的大作中提到】
: The guy(6.0) was All-American in 2007 in double and went to semi final in
: NCAA. In double he upset John Isner(ATP ranking 800s in 2007 and 18
: currently) and his partner(ATP rank 1000 2007 and 850s currently) by 7:5 and
: 7:5.

s********a
发帖数: 328
67
我觉得很在理
打球最烦不拼的,打得不认真的对手了,比跟自己水平低一些的人打还难受

【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: The dedication of USTA league players can be as serious as a
: Div I college player. Although they don't make a living out of
: it, the level of competition is no less than in pro level.
: Often times you'll meet someone who is at the same level as you,
: and you will have to work hard to get a win. Sometimes you may
: meet the same opponent year after year, just like pro rivalry.
: The seek of competition and sportsmanship is what drives many IDs
: on this board active year long. It is not like if you can't

B*X
发帖数: 92
68
1. You are making a statement without any data to back you up
2. You are making a prediction without proper reasoning
3. You are making a claim that can not be proved
4. You are making a negative comment
5. You are selling yourself short
6. You are selling everyone else short

【在 w********u 的大作中提到】
: 版上高手基本没人可以从他们手里拿到一个game,能拿多少point都是看天收。
b*****t
发帖数: 758
69
There are only 150+ USTA 5.5 in the whole country.
There is no meaning for anyone to register as 6.0 in USTA since there won't
be enough people in the whole country to organize one league or an amature
tournament (with no prize money). 5.5 and up players mostly compete at
profession tournaments with prize money.

【在 B******a 的大作中提到】
: No any info about 6.0? or because they are not qualified because they are
: pros?
:
: and
: If

b*****t
发帖数: 758
70
“中速ground stroke连续几十甚至上百都不会失误”is not that hard to do
depending on how you define 中速. My longest rally in matches has around 40
strokes; most strokes were 70%-80% of my maximum power. The issue is that
for these pros/semi-pros, their normal hits are way beyond the pace that we
amatuers can handle.
Power players and pushers are relative. I am a power player at 3.5, hitting
winners and blowing people off court all the time. At 4.0 leagues, I become
a pusher with little winners: what used to be a wi

【在 S***e 的大作中提到】
: 顶。这就是我为啥一看版上有人说什么暴力扑s之类的就觉得可笑的原因。
: “中速ground stroke连续几十甚至上百都不会失误”就是基本功,没练到这程度,
: 怎么打也就是个玩意儿,根本谈不上暴力扑s。没这个基本功,说暴力其实就是胡抡,
: 说扑s其实就是瞎磨。

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b*****t
发帖数: 758
71
Why is it so hard to face the truth? The gap between amatuers and pros is a
fact: amature 4.5 or below won't get a lot of points from these guys. Anyone
in this board is a 5.0?

【在 B*X 的大作中提到】
: 1. You are making a statement without any data to back you up
: 2. You are making a prediction without proper reasoning
: 3. You are making a claim that can not be proved
: 4. You are making a negative comment
: 5. You are selling yourself short
: 6. You are selling everyone else short

B*X
发帖数: 92
72
If you knew the truth and/or fact, your post would not end with a question.

a
Anyone

【在 b*****t 的大作中提到】
: Why is it so hard to face the truth? The gap between amatuers and pros is a
: fact: amature 4.5 or below won't get a lot of points from these guys. Anyone
: in this board is a 5.0?

J****0
发帖数: 2400
73
我来试着证明一下“版上高手基本没人可以从他们手里拿到一个game,能拿多少point都是看天收”吧。
因为: 和比水平高1.0以上的人打,基本没人可以拿到一个game,能拿多少point都是看天收。这个是3.0以上网球世界里的公理。
又因为: 刨去潜水员,版上最高水平应该是cc和atm,4.5到强4.5,这是版上公认的,也是被当事人认可的。
所以:版上高手对阵5.5-6.0,基本没人可以从他们手里拿到一个game,能拿多少point都是看天收。
证明完毕。
要推翻原命题:
1. "他们" 高估自己,其实不到5.5;
2. cc和atm低估自己,其实是5.0或以上;
3. 卢彦勋在本版潜水。
以上条件满足任意两个即可完全推翻原命题。

【在 B*X 的大作中提到】
: 1. You are making a statement without any data to back you up
: 2. You are making a prediction without proper reasoning
: 3. You are making a claim that can not be proved
: 4. You are making a negative comment
: 5. You are selling yourself short
: 6. You are selling everyone else short

J****0
发帖数: 2400
74
我只记得一个在此版自称5.0的,好像是裸奔版的版主。还奔过几张打球的照片,当时
是好大一个坑。此人在坑里被群殴以后就不来了。从此本版就没有5.0了。

【在 a*m 的大作中提到】
: You are too low key leh.
: I remember there is a 5.0 player also saying the same thing to all the
: water-ers here... but he put a meal as awards...

a*****3
发帖数: 10373
75
嗯,看上去比较靠铺.

point都是看天收”吧。
是看天收。这个是3.0以上网球世界里的公理。
,也是被当事人认可的。
point都是看天收。

【在 J****0 的大作中提到】
: 我来试着证明一下“版上高手基本没人可以从他们手里拿到一个game,能拿多少point都是看天收”吧。
: 因为: 和比水平高1.0以上的人打,基本没人可以拿到一个game,能拿多少point都是看天收。这个是3.0以上网球世界里的公理。
: 又因为: 刨去潜水员,版上最高水平应该是cc和atm,4.5到强4.5,这是版上公认的,也是被当事人认可的。
: 所以:版上高手对阵5.5-6.0,基本没人可以从他们手里拿到一个game,能拿多少point都是看天收。
: 证明完毕。
: 要推翻原命题:
: 1. "他们" 高估自己,其实不到5.5;
: 2. cc和atm低估自己,其实是5.0或以上;
: 3. 卢彦勋在本版潜水。
: 以上条件满足任意两个即可完全推翻原命题。

S****2
发帖数: 349
76
With all due respect, I just think this is very much a loose talk.
For something that as grandeur as " 公理", it can be overthrown by one
exception. And I happened to think not all 3.0 or 3.5 can bagel all 2.0 or 2
.5 all the time. Or, at least, you may be have to add "4. Michael Chang
dives at this board". hehe....
I guess everyone states his/her opinion based on what he/she sees/knows.
Even though something has presented itself clearly to all, there can still
be very different opinions dependin

【在 J****0 的大作中提到】
: 我来试着证明一下“版上高手基本没人可以从他们手里拿到一个game,能拿多少point都是看天收”吧。
: 因为: 和比水平高1.0以上的人打,基本没人可以拿到一个game,能拿多少point都是看天收。这个是3.0以上网球世界里的公理。
: 又因为: 刨去潜水员,版上最高水平应该是cc和atm,4.5到强4.5,这是版上公认的,也是被当事人认可的。
: 所以:版上高手对阵5.5-6.0,基本没人可以从他们手里拿到一个game,能拿多少point都是看天收。
: 证明完毕。
: 要推翻原命题:
: 1. "他们" 高估自己,其实不到5.5;
: 2. cc和atm低估自己,其实是5.0或以上;
: 3. 卢彦勋在本版潜水。
: 以上条件满足任意两个即可完全推翻原命题。

T*******r
发帖数: 196
77
Just say one fact. Do not be surprised. A 4.0 can beat a 5.0 guy sometimes.
The guys in Vedio could lose to many 4.5 guys.
Do not take rating too serious.:)

point都是看天收”吧。
是看天收。这个是3.0以上网球世界里的公理。
,也是被当事人认可的。
point都是看天收。

【在 J****0 的大作中提到】
: 我来试着证明一下“版上高手基本没人可以从他们手里拿到一个game,能拿多少point都是看天收”吧。
: 因为: 和比水平高1.0以上的人打,基本没人可以拿到一个game,能拿多少point都是看天收。这个是3.0以上网球世界里的公理。
: 又因为: 刨去潜水员,版上最高水平应该是cc和atm,4.5到强4.5,这是版上公认的,也是被当事人认可的。
: 所以:版上高手对阵5.5-6.0,基本没人可以从他们手里拿到一个game,能拿多少point都是看天收。
: 证明完毕。
: 要推翻原命题:
: 1. "他们" 高估自己,其实不到5.5;
: 2. cc和atm低估自己,其实是5.0或以上;
: 3. 卢彦勋在本版潜水。
: 以上条件满足任意两个即可完全推翻原命题。

B******a
发帖数: 601
78
CC's detail explanation is more convincing than your one sentence statement.
Base on his extensive usta experience and his tennis skill, I believe what
he said.

sometimes.

【在 T*******r 的大作中提到】
: Just say one fact. Do not be surprised. A 4.0 can beat a 5.0 guy sometimes.
: The guys in Vedio could lose to many 4.5 guys.
: Do not take rating too serious.:)
:
: point都是看天收”吧。
: 是看天收。这个是3.0以上网球世界里的公理。
: ,也是被当事人认可的。
: point都是看天收。

b**k
发帖数: 11850
79
练习时可以上百
比赛中几十(几<5)也是可以达到的,如果对手的pace和你一样。
如果对手变化pace下,仍能够几十恒中速ground stroke回去,这才是专业打下的根基

【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: In a certain level of USTA league, there are always pushers
: and hard hitters. Be it 瞎磨 or 胡抡, they are still pushers
: and hard hitters.
: The fact is most tennis players can never achieve “中速ground
: stroke连续几十甚至上百都不会失误” in the lifetime.

b**k
发帖数: 11850
80
这其实是有原因的:当年米国网球强盛时期培养的一群青少年爱好者,现在就差不多这
岁数了。

【在 a**s 的大作中提到】
: FT! 你这句可要得罪无数人了
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b**k
发帖数: 11850
81
hehe, 别说5.5了,4.5本地已经组不起来两队打了,4.5的人只好可怜兮兮地把8.0
mixed double变成 8.5 none-sanctioned,才好有比赛玩儿
我来举一个例子吧:我没打赢的那位老威,在4.5上都呆了好几年了,4.5还过了州赛去
地区比赛。去年她刚过50岁,终于利用senior把自己降回了4.0,回头输给我们进步神
速原college校队目前3.5美女一次,后又赢了对方一次,据美女说当天她手上泡破了,
且原不是她上但player没来她只好上了。
这次州赛遇到一个大学二年级的女生,就是那种非常稳定的ground stroke,反正正手
比我正手强,反手比我反手强,偶尔反手比我正手强,发球比我强,高压比我强,截击
还行,唯一比我弱的可能就是反手削球了。第一盘被人家打了个1:6,第二盘我终于有
了手感,5:3领先,可惜还是被扳成了5:7。盖她发球实在太强也。。。外加天气暴热,
上午好不容易赢了个pusher,很疲惫,下午晒蔫儿的秧子还没回过劲儿来。。。

t

【在 b*****t 的大作中提到】
: There are only 150+ USTA 5.5 in the whole country.
: There is no meaning for anyone to register as 6.0 in USTA since there won't
: be enough people in the whole country to organize one league or an amature
: tournament (with no prize money). 5.5 and up players mostly compete at
: profession tournaments with prize money.

a*m
发帖数: 6253
82
CC's explanation also mentioned he almost beat his bagol maker couple of
times.I dont know how many times he played the bagel maker, maybe 50 times?
(or way less/more than that?)
Frankly speaking, most of us are not at their level for sure, i guess
everyone knows that. But bagel is not something everyone can guarentee. On
the other side, i believe actually if i can get two games every set, i will
have more than 30% to beat the match partner.
You can see in ATP 1000 event, bagel is very normal. T

【在 B******a 的大作中提到】
: CC's detail explanation is more convincing than your one sentence statement.
: Base on his extensive usta experience and his tennis skill, I believe what
: he said.
:
: sometimes.

s***e
发帖数: 157
83
same feeling here. I didn't see anyone here (bened) who can serve like a '
pro', i mean, even not look like.

level.
team
II/
top

【在 Y**s 的大作中提到】
: I came to the states when I'm about 11. I'm nowhere near these guy's level.
: I have played against division II/III college players since my college team
: is division II at the time. If these guys are DII, they would be near the
: top DII players. DI school's level is significantly higher than that of II/
: III schools imo.
: I have played once or twice with OSU players (lower seeded players in a top
: ranked D1 school), and it was a joke. There are even some ex-pro here as
: well, I actually hit with on

s***e
发帖数: 157
84
I once played on Univ of MD courts where I met two players of UM tennis team
. They claimed themselves to be 4.5/5.0, respectively. I don't think I saw
any video from players on this board could be close to them. Maybe they are
just 'modest'.
S****2
发帖数: 349
85
I read CC's post again, I believe what he said was about helping people to
understand how good those trained and dedicated semi-pros can be ae this
game. I guess this point starts to get into minds of the general populace
of this board, which is good.
On the other hand, not trying to have CC in an awkward position, I think he
didn't say anything about how good he can be if he ever prepares well.
To me, claiming "版上高手基本没人可以从他们手里拿到一个game,能拿多少point都
是看天收" is ignorant at best, if no plainly stupid.

【在 B******a 的大作中提到】
: CC's detail explanation is more convincing than your one sentence statement.
: Base on his extensive usta experience and his tennis skill, I believe what
: he said.
:
: sometimes.

B*X
发帖数: 92
86
I do admire your sense of humor - Lecturing us on 网球世界里的公理 is pure
entertainment.
公认的? == now it is offical, you have made yourself the joke of the day.

point都是看天收”吧。
是看天收。这个是3.0以上网球世界里的公理。
,也是被当事人认可的。
point都是看天收。

【在 J****0 的大作中提到】
: 我来试着证明一下“版上高手基本没人可以从他们手里拿到一个game,能拿多少point都是看天收”吧。
: 因为: 和比水平高1.0以上的人打,基本没人可以拿到一个game,能拿多少point都是看天收。这个是3.0以上网球世界里的公理。
: 又因为: 刨去潜水员,版上最高水平应该是cc和atm,4.5到强4.5,这是版上公认的,也是被当事人认可的。
: 所以:版上高手对阵5.5-6.0,基本没人可以从他们手里拿到一个game,能拿多少point都是看天收。
: 证明完毕。
: 要推翻原命题:
: 1. "他们" 高估自己,其实不到5.5;
: 2. cc和atm低估自己,其实是5.0或以上;
: 3. 卢彦勋在本版潜水。
: 以上条件满足任意两个即可完全推翻原命题。

s*********d
发帖数: 2406
87
我曾经看过我们女队的训练,和比赛,
女队在 Big east 属于中下水平
算是种子对 但是在big east champion中算 8-10的种子队
看她们比赛最大的感觉是,他们的发力,很步伐
4.5/5。0 肯定是有的
给我的感觉的,在奔过的女生中 真的没有可能接近的,
当然,不能说一定 bagal但是机会很大
实际上,楼主的话, maybe 偏激,但是
general 看来,没有错,
b*****t
发帖数: 758
88
Holy. Again? I totally agree with your statement that applies to all human
being. But who cares about anything that applies to all?

he

【在 S****2 的大作中提到】
: I read CC's post again, I believe what he said was about helping people to
: understand how good those trained and dedicated semi-pros can be ae this
: game. I guess this point starts to get into minds of the general populace
: of this board, which is good.
: On the other hand, not trying to have CC in an awkward position, I think he
: didn't say anything about how good he can be if he ever prepares well.
: To me, claiming "版上高手基本没人可以从他们手里拿到一个game,能拿多少point都
: 是看天收" is ignorant at best, if no plainly stupid.

b*****t
发帖数: 758
89
That is hilarious. Thought I have read the joke of the day just now.

【在 B*X 的大作中提到】
: I do admire your sense of humor - Lecturing us on 网球世界里的公理 is pure
: entertainment.
: 公认的? == now it is offical, you have made yourself the joke of the day.
:
: point都是看天收”吧。
: 是看天收。这个是3.0以上网球世界里的公理。
: ,也是被当事人认可的。
: point都是看天收。

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