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K****D
发帖数: 30533
1
想必颇有一批是学偶像发上长大的。这些人中现在居然没有几个有点名的?
//think...
N********d
发帖数: 298
2
这批人中打发上的大概还没出头就在青少年比赛中被淘汰的差不多了。
比桑小五岁左右的那批球员,就是相当于现在Nadal/Joker/Murray这批的,好像没有能
够真正厉害的,能挑战他的?有一个Rios, 一个莫亚,都没有有力的挑战。
最先挑战桑的,居然是菲菲/一休/萨芬等十年后的一代。这也是对那种“菲菲对手不
如桑”论调的一个有趣注脚。

【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: 想必颇有一批是学偶像发上长大的。这些人中现在居然没有几个有点名的?
: //think...

K****D
发帖数: 30533
3
When Sampras was about as old as Federer now, the top 10 ranking
was (08/02/1999):
1 Sampras, Pete (USA) 3,775 1 20
2 Rafter, Patrick (AUS) 3,664 -1 23
3 Agassi, Andre (USA) 3,422 0 17
4 Kafelnikov, Yevgeny (RUS) 3,273 0 29
5 Henman, Tim (GBR) 2,634 0 26
6 Kuerten, Gustavo (BRA) 2,436 0 24
7 Krajicek, Richard (NED) 2,431 0 21
8 Corretja, Alex (ESP) 2,350 0 22
9

【在 N********d 的大作中提到】
: 这批人中打发上的大概还没出头就在青少年比赛中被淘汰的差不多了。
: 比桑小五岁左右的那批球员,就是相当于现在Nadal/Joker/Murray这批的,好像没有能
: 够真正厉害的,能挑战他的?有一个Rios, 一个莫亚,都没有有力的挑战。
: 最先挑战桑的,居然是菲菲/一休/萨芬等十年后的一代。这也是对那种“菲菲对手不
: 如桑”论调的一个有趣注脚。

N********d
发帖数: 298
4
Top 7 are all from the same generation as Pete, except Henman, who never was
a factor in majors anyway.
This list just shows no young guns at 22/23 can challenge Sampras when he's
27/28, or even challenge the top rankings.

【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: When Sampras was about as old as Federer now, the top 10 ranking
: was (08/02/1999):
: 1 Sampras, Pete (USA) 3,775 1 20
: 2 Rafter, Patrick (AUS) 3,664 -1 23
: 3 Agassi, Andre (USA) 3,422 0 17
: 4 Kafelnikov, Yevgeny (RUS) 3,273 0 29
: 5 Henman, Tim (GBR) 2,634 0 26
: 6 Kuerten, Gustavo (BRA) 2,436 0 24
: 7 Krajicek, Richard (NED) 2,431 0 21
: 8 Corretja, Alex (ESP) 2,350 0 22

N********d
发帖数: 298
5
Among them Kuerten did challenge Sampras, just a little late (on hard court
started from 2000/2001, on clay court he didn't need to challenge Pete:-))
And he is the generation 5 years younger than Sampras.

was
s

【在 N********d 的大作中提到】
: Top 7 are all from the same generation as Pete, except Henman, who never was
: a factor in majors anyway.
: This list just shows no young guns at 22/23 can challenge Sampras when he's
: 27/28, or even challenge the top rankings.

K****D
发帖数: 30533
6
Kafelnikov was 25 and Kuerten was 22.

was
s

【在 N********d 的大作中提到】
: Top 7 are all from the same generation as Pete, except Henman, who never was
: a factor in majors anyway.
: This list just shows no young guns at 22/23 can challenge Sampras when he's
: 27/28, or even challenge the top rankings.

N********d
发帖数: 298
7
Unfortunately, these two are mostly good on clay court, especially at the
early stage of their career. There's no challenge to Sampras on clay court
no matter how good you are:-)

【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: Kafelnikov was 25 and Kuerten was 22.
:
: was
: s

N********d
发帖数: 298
8
And we are talking about Federer being challenged by young guns on hard
court/grass court starting in 2006 (Nadal), 2007 (add Joker), 2008 (add
Murray). You just don't see that in Sampras' time.

【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: Kafelnikov was 25 and Kuerten was 22.
:
: was
: s

K****D
发帖数: 30533
9
Ok, if I rewind 3 years, Kafelnikov was No.4 on 8/5/1996.
2 years, then Kafelnikov was No.6 and Moya, Kuerten and Rios was
No. 9-11 on 8/4/1997.
1 year, then Rios was No.2, Moya No.4 and Kafelnikov No.8 on
8/3/1998.
It is true that most of them are clay players but Sampras did have
threat on hard court from players of his own age. It just happened
to be the young guns are clay instead of grass/hard court players,
while the old guns are the opposite.

【在 N********d 的大作中提到】
: And we are talking about Federer being challenged by young guns on hard
: court/grass court starting in 2006 (Nadal), 2007 (add Joker), 2008 (add
: Murray). You just don't see that in Sampras' time.

f**d
发帖数: 2494
10
经过你这么一找资料,果然桑普拉斯没怎么被下一代挑战啊。

【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: Ok, if I rewind 3 years, Kafelnikov was No.4 on 8/5/1996.
: 2 years, then Kafelnikov was No.6 and Moya, Kuerten and Rios was
: No. 9-11 on 8/4/1997.
: 1 year, then Rios was No.2, Moya No.4 and Kafelnikov No.8 on
: 8/3/1998.
: It is true that most of them are clay players but Sampras did have
: threat on hard court from players of his own age. It just happened
: to be the young guns are clay instead of grass/hard court players,
: while the old guns are the opposite.

f**d
发帖数: 2494
11
狒狒算是学桑长大的吧。从发上改综合了,这个也说明发上过时了。

【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: 想必颇有一批是学偶像发上长大的。这些人中现在居然没有几个有点名的?
: //think...

K****D
发帖数: 30533
12
Yup. His major rivals (Agassi, Rafter, Ivanesevic, Becker, Courier
etc.) are all as old or older than him.

【在 f**d 的大作中提到】
: 经过你这么一找资料,果然桑普拉斯没怎么被下一代挑战啊。
B*********s
发帖数: 4158
13
卡费尔尼科夫

【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: When Sampras was about as old as Federer now, the top 10 ranking
: was (08/02/1999):
: 1 Sampras, Pete (USA) 3,775 1 20
: 2 Rafter, Patrick (AUS) 3,664 -1 23
: 3 Agassi, Andre (USA) 3,422 0 17
: 4 Kafelnikov, Yevgeny (RUS) 3,273 0 29
: 5 Henman, Tim (GBR) 2,634 0 26
: 6 Kuerten, Gustavo (BRA) 2,436 0 24
: 7 Krajicek, Richard (NED) 2,431 0 21
: 8 Corretja, Alex (ESP) 2,350 0 22

N********d
发帖数: 298
14
That was my point. When you are 27, just started to decline, being
challenged by a bunch of 27-29 year-old guys is nothing like being
challenged by some 23/23 year-old guys.
If there are one or two guys over 27 are still at the top of the game, you
can say he's a genius, like Sampras, Agassi, Federer, or Connors. If the
majority of top 10 are guys over 27, you can only say the next generation (5
years younger, 22/23 years of age) is weak.

【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: Yup. His major rivals (Agassi, Rafter, Ivanesevic, Becker, Courier
: etc.) are all as old or older than him.

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