s****t
发帖数: 17096 | 1 为什么我现在发完球老是被人打死
-_-
对方接发质量高的时候，
感觉发完球之后刚站稳，就要往边线移动
总是打得我一愣一楞的 | d******e
发帖数: 2541 | 2 我个人经验：假如你花超过练抽球的时间于发球上，我相信你就没这个问题了。
我当初学球独练了近半年的发球，几倍于练正反手的时间，结果是，和别人对打比
赛无论单双打，发球不是命门而是杀器。
即使现今和4。0-4。5对打比赛，技不如人，被打得满地找牙，可在发球上并不吃亏。
我觉得发球弱是初学者(3。0-3。5)普遍的现象，可都知道又都不去下大力气练。
奈何？ | d******e
发帖数: 2541 | 3 那你应该请教练指导了。肯定你的动作不正确。
盲目狠练下去，肯定伤肘和臂，若伤了腕骨，那就彻底玩完了。
我若找不到对手打，单独练的内容：
我练第一发球时，一筐75个，每次手里拿3个球不停顿快速发，发完还会把下网滚到
跟前的再捡起发掉，所以一次不少于80个球。每2-3筐休息一次，正手位4筐，反手
位1-3筐，一发和二发为2：1，再加两筐正手，一筐反手，一筐高吊后场球。
除了整体体力疲劳，不存在你说的肘痛问题。可能我很幸运，自己盲目练但动作模
仿得对路，用力也符合要求。当然，我自己是医生也懂得运动创伤的预防和及早发
现。 | n***e
发帖数: 461 | 4 100mph＋发球过去就被人打死－你的对手也忒强了些，怎么听上去象职业的。
增加落点和旋转的变化。还有就是anticipate对手的回球。
偶的建议有些象T-mac. | c*********e
发帖数: 1389 | 5 i remember doc used to play volleyball, so tennis serve is very natural to
him.
acturally, if your serve motion is correct, you can serve at least 3 baskets
without feeling fatigue of arm. you need relax. your goal should be to find
your natural serve motion rather than improve the speed.
recommend you to toss half basket of balls into the sky before you practice
serve everytime. | d******e
发帖数: 2541 | 6 well, I'm sure that many 3.0-3.5 players have the same ideas as you did and
that's why many of them cann't get into real games.
I played many guys who played 10-20 more years than me but without
improvement of their serve and thus were eaisly beaten by me in the game,
although I just played 5 years tennis starting 0.
Without strong and accurate serve, you can hit the ball pretty well in the
practice, but you can never ever win the game.
That's my experience.
【在 s****t 的大作中提到】
: 为什么我现在发完球老是被人打死
: -_-
: 对方接发质量高的时候，
: 感觉发完球之后刚站稳，就要往边线移动
: 总是打得我一愣一楞的
| s****t
发帖数: 17096 | 7 o no, my 2nd serve is much lower
but for players like nadal, even with low speed serve
he can still use his energy and skill to catch balls, stiking
i dont think it's problem of serving
i just feel maybe the problem is with me catching when running..
or maybe you right, for serving, mine almost no spin.
so easy for opponent to receive while holding a sharp angle. | s****t
发帖数: 17096 | 8 anyway, i dont see a player with only good serving can win a game
if you play 3.0 players, you can still win with weak serving
you gotta win when you gotta win
but for higher level players, they can still receive well and kill you
with winner shots.
i think serving just should be fine at a level of other skills
or strong rally/receiver can protect you at least from losing a game.
my 0.02$
and
【在 d******e 的大作中提到】
: well, I'm sure that many 3.0-3.5 players have the same ideas as you did and
: that's why many of them cann't get into real games.
: I played many guys who played 10-20 more years than me but without
: improvement of their serve and thus were eaisly beaten by me in the game,
: although I just played 5 years tennis starting 0.
: Without strong and accurate serve, you can hit the ball pretty well in the
: practice, but you can never ever win the game.
: That's my experience.
| d******e
发帖数: 2541 | 9 一点不错。连开线的楼主本身在谈自己发球问题，可竟然能认为：
“anyway, i dont see a player with only good serving can win a game
if you play 3.0 players, you can still win with weak serving
you gotta win when you gotta win。
but for higher level players, they can still receive well and kill you
with winner shots.”
楼主说“我的一发时速是120+”，若仍被人打死，那对手可能是职业水平至少5。0以
上了。能跟5。0以上的对打，那您再说什么发球没别的技术重要，俺也无话可说。
可我认为发球是网球所有技术里最复杂和最难掌握的，又是最直接影响比赛和战术
应用的招数。
看看所有世界级高手，从伦德尔、老桑、贝克尔、伊万尼舍维奇、阿加西、到现在
的小费，没有一个不是以其杰出超人的发球控制对手结合其特长战术或底线或杀上
网取胜的。
可以说，没有发球，别想打 | n***e
发帖数: 461 | 10 don't think it needs that high percentage dok said in service games to win.
most recreational players (<4.5) don't have a powerful serve. and they
usually better at receiving serve and rallies. so they don't depend too much
on serve to win games anyway. think of most of WTA pros - their weapons are
groundies. As long as you don't serve too badly, (like dementiava's double
fault) or too weakly to get killed right away and you have ok groundies then
you are ok. only when you are facing a real good | | | N******y
发帖数: 71 | 11 My 2 cents:
In terms of importance in tennis:
1. 2nd Serve
1.5. 1 st serve
2. Return
3. Rally
4. Volley
5. Overhead
For non-professional players, the first serve % is about 50%. We can not win
by serving aces. Serve is used to set up points. However, if you have a
weak 2nd serve, you will be killed more often than not.
I do not beleive any one, in the world, have 120 mph 2nd serve.
When playing with a stronger player, your weakness will be exploited. If you
have good serves but weeks groundies,
【在 d******e 的大作中提到】
: 一点不错。连开线的楼主本身在谈自己发球问题，可竟然能认为：
: “anyway, i dont see a player with only good serving can win a game
: if you play 3.0 players, you can still win with weak serving
: you gotta win when you gotta win。
: but for higher level players, they can still receive well and kill you
: with winner shots.”
: 楼主说“我的一发时速是120+”，若仍被人打死，那对手可能是职业水平至少5。0以
: 上了。能跟5。0以上的对打，那您再说什么发球没别的技术重要，俺也无话可说。
: 可我认为发球是网球所有技术里最复杂和最难掌握的，又是最直接影响比赛和战术
: 应用的招数。
| A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 12 有道理
i guess OP's opponent got very good serve-return. and even OP used all his
power to serve, if the opponent return it well, he could win the point right
away. we saw alot of those in pro game. when one pro served well, big
powerful, sometimes, they got killed by even better return, because 1. the
return was using the strength of the serve, the harder the serve, the
quicker it got return. 2. the server used all his strength, put himself in a
off-balance position, he need longer time to recover
【在 n***e 的大作中提到】
: don't think it needs that high percentage dok said in service games to win.
: most recreational players (<4.5) don't have a powerful serve. and they
: usually better at receiving serve and rallies. so they don't depend too much
: on serve to win games anyway. think of most of WTA pros - their weapons are
: groundies. As long as you don't serve too badly, (like dementiava's double
: fault) or too weakly to get killed right away and you have ok groundies then
: you are ok. only when you are facing a real good
| s****t
发帖数: 17096 | 13 I agree with you here
Serving is a weapon but not a must
because you can never expect the opponent will miss your serve because you
are
too good at it.
and yeah, in playing doubles, serving will make it more interesting
for returing serve/reciever, I am not sure aobut that. at least for me
receive is not that good, i miss the spot often if the other serve has good
angle and I sometimes make mistakes with backhand receiver because i was
afraid the ball will not return right in court..
agassi was
【在 n***e 的大作中提到】
: don't think it needs that high percentage dok said in service games to win.
: most recreational players (<4.5) don't have a powerful serve. and they
: usually better at receiving serve and rallies. so they don't depend too much
: on serve to win games anyway. think of most of WTA pros - their weapons are
: groundies. As long as you don't serve too badly, (like dementiava's double
: fault) or too weakly to get killed right away and you have ok groundies then
: you are ok. only when you are facing a real good
| w***m
发帖数: 15 | 14 A 4.5+ player should definitely be able to handle a 100 mph 1st serve
without much angle or spin. So you can practice serving with angles. Since
it seems like you got pretty good serve, at least very good pace, try to
focus on angle when you practice your serve. Try to serve with less power so
that you can control the angle better. Do not try to use 100% of your power
when serving, otherwise you will often lose your balance and cannot move
well if your opponent returns it well.
100+ mph serve is
【在 s****t 的大作中提到】
: I agree with you here
: Serving is a weapon but not a must
: because you can never expect the opponent will miss your serve because you
: are
: too good at it.
: and yeah, in playing doubles, serving will make it more interesting
: for returing serve/reciever, I am not sure aobut that. at least for me
: receive is not that good, i miss the spot often if the other serve has good
: angle and I sometimes make mistakes with backhand receiver because i was
: afraid the ball will not return right in court..
| N******y
发帖数: 71 | 15 Agree!
Placement is more important than speed.
Besides, if you have a predictable patern, try to mix it up. If you always
serve fast, try some off pace serve for a change.
so
power
good
【在 w***m 的大作中提到】
: A 4.5+ player should definitely be able to handle a 100 mph 1st serve
: without much angle or spin. So you can practice serving with angles. Since
: it seems like you got pretty good serve, at least very good pace, try to
: focus on angle when you practice your serve. Try to serve with less power so
: that you can control the angle better. Do not try to use 100% of your power
: when serving, otherwise you will often lose your balance and cannot move
: well if your opponent returns it well.
: 100+ mph serve is
| N******y
发帖数: 71 | 16 Serve is my favorite shot in Tennis. Nowhere else you can serve to attack.
There is a lot to learn in serving. Spin, location, speed, disguise, serve
and volley, serve to your opp's weakness. Just lot of fun.
Besides, you can practive serve alone. So no complain about hitting partner.
PS: I can not serve 120. Maybe 100. All my aces are angle serves. And I am
aced by angle serves too.
【在 s****t 的大作中提到】
: I agree with you here
: Serving is a weapon but not a must
: because you can never expect the opponent will miss your serve because you
: are
: too good at it.
: and yeah, in playing doubles, serving will make it more interesting
: for returing serve/reciever, I am not sure aobut that. at least for me
: receive is not that good, i miss the spot often if the other serve has good
: angle and I sometimes make mistakes with backhand receiver because i was
: afraid the ball will not return right in court..
| d******e
发帖数: 2541 | 17 yeah, coz one serve, one shot--win or die in table tennis,but you have 2
chance to shot or to die in tennis. tat's the reason of difference between T
and TT as you mentioned.
我想无论如何强调发球在比赛中的重要性都不过分。还是那句话：没有发球，别想赢
比赛。
哪怕世界职业高手，绝对要保证自己发球局不被破，然后争取破对方，谁丢自己的
发球局就立即落入后手被动。
若说阿加西发球速度力度不及拉迪克或其它高人，我同意，但绝对不意味他发球不
好，其实认真看他的比赛，他发球的控制极好才保证了他底线强有力攻击的杀伤力。
认为他发球不好，速度不够的是不全面的。也反映出说这话的只看重速度和力量，
对发球没有全面认识：速度力度大如拉迪克的只能说是匹夫之蛮力。这样的选手可
以一时称雄，但待不长。看看老桑、阿加西、伦德尔、小费等长期统治网坛的高手，
其发球都是他们控制比赛对手，制胜的法宝。
如这里一位网友所言，真正能体会到发球乐趣和重要性 | c*********e
发帖数: 1389 | 18 that's interesting point. although i am noy sure "from fast to slow" is
referring to just service or point construction and whether it is correct
for either tennis or tabletennis, if you are speaking of serve, it is one of
the approaches neglected by tennis amateurs in developing their serves.
both pace and spin need racket speed. when you can not improve the racket
speed anymore, you have to mix pace and spin, disguise and place the ball
well. some friends always want to improve the pace and se | s****t
发帖数: 17096 | 19 alrite enough joking
agassi is my idol, nothing to offense, but let's say if zhangguoliang's
serve in pingpang, an amateur cant even take a receiver? maybe not.. coz of
the spin
but in tennis, agassi's serve is nothing particular than his receiver and
backhand. i assume if you are decent in receiving , you should be able to
get the chances. that's what was in my head when i watched agassi's present
game from behind view
all i meant was agassi's serving cant compare to fedler or roddick. i just
d | d******e
发帖数: 2541 | 20 well, xxshas,
thanx for your advice.
that's the difference between individuals:
I'm kind of a guy taking every thing seriously, no matter on the internet or
real life, pro job or sparetime activities.
I am not a easily dealing-with guy but I do easily find many good iron-
brothers or sisters in the bbs and enjoy the real life with these good net-
friends.
I do greatly appreciate this forum which let me find many good players and
share the experience in tennis court since I found this forum. This | | | c*********e
发帖数: 1389 | 21 got a story about pros' serve to share with you guys:
i have a friend who is helping nick's academy explore chinese market.
newyorker64, you should know who i am talking about. he traveled back to
china with a trainer who used to be agassi's server because he had very good
kick wide serve on ad side. one chinese province professional men's team
asked him to show some muscle. their top players could hardly touch his kick
serve. after he trained them for a while, they still could not return the
ba
【在 s****t 的大作中提到】
: alrite enough joking
: agassi is my idol, nothing to offense, but let's say if zhangguoliang's
: serve in pingpang, an amateur cant even take a receiver? maybe not.. coz of
: the spin
: but in tennis, agassi's serve is nothing particular than his receiver and
: backhand. i assume if you are decent in receiving , you should be able to
: get the chances. that's what was in my head when i watched agassi's present
: game from behind view
: all i meant was agassi's serving cant compare to fedler or roddick. i just
: d
| A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 22 you guys are way too serious about post on bbs.
i tend to agree with xxshas about the degree and seriousness of posting here
.
dont get me wrong. it is not a bad thing to keep every post serious. but he
was apparently joking about his serving speed and his return of andre's
serve.
back to our topic, how well andre's serve? well, at pro level, if you try to
rank his serve among all best players. where do you put his serve? there
are just too many good servers ahead of him on the list. no doubt, h
【在 c*********e 的大作中提到】
: got a story about pros' serve to share with you guys:
: i have a friend who is helping nick's academy explore chinese market.
: newyorker64, you should know who i am talking about. he traveled back to
: china with a trainer who used to be agassi's server because he had very good
: kick wide serve on ad side. one chinese province professional men's team
: asked him to show some muscle. their top players could hardly touch his kick
: serve. after he trained them for a while, they still could not return the
: ba
| c*********e
发帖数: 1389 | 23 i don't care whether LZ was joking or not, forum always welcome everyone to
express his thoughts. so i didn't reply his comments on serve and agassi for days.
but i really don't like his last post ----"i just dont like someone here
worship pro as god while thinking everyone else is idiot. -_-"
this is not true. there were ppl who didn't agree his arguements but nobody
thought he was an idiot. i think most ppl believe he can serve and return
well.
however, if he says someone here worship pro as g
【在 A*f 的大作中提到】
: you guys are way too serious about post on bbs.
: i tend to agree with xxshas about the degree and seriousness of posting here
: .
: dont get me wrong. it is not a bad thing to keep every post serious. but he
: was apparently joking about his serving speed and his return of andre's
: serve.
: back to our topic, how well andre's serve? well, at pro level, if you try to
: rank his serve among all best players. where do you put his serve? there
: are just too many good servers ahead of him on the list. no doubt, h
| l******n
发帖数: 641 | 24 i do not like LZ's joking on serve and return of serve.
it's like a lot people blaming Yaoming for his slow, for his turnover,
but on the court, you are nothing close to him.
without gift and training in early ages,
us chinese studnets need a lot practice and love and effort to even
maintain 4.0 or + levels, depending on their gifts.
that's the reason we respect the others with more gift and trained from age
of 4.
tennis is a personal game, compared to bball, a less mind game, compared
with
tabl
【在 c*********e 的大作中提到】
: i don't care whether LZ was joking or not, forum always welcome everyone to
: express his thoughts. so i didn't reply his comments on serve and agassi for days.
: but i really don't like his last post ----"i just dont like someone here
: worship pro as god while thinking everyone else is idiot. -_-"
: this is not true. there were ppl who didn't agree his arguements but nobody
: thought he was an idiot. i think most ppl believe he can serve and return
: well.
: however, if he says someone here worship pro as g
| n***e
发帖数: 461 | 25 think of china's soccer fan. of course if you put them on soccer field, they
can't outperform our national team. but how can you shut their mouth for
commenting the team on their poor performance? you ask me to respect them
unconditionally just because I can't shoot or dribble a ball? come on.
everybody is entitled of his opinion at least. but not everybody is entitled
respect, just because of his position. your "respect" because someone is
more gifted/suited to play some sport may be misplaced. | c*********e
发帖数: 1389 | 26 we have different understanding of the word "respect". when i said i
respected professional athletes, i meant i appreciated their common trait
which was their ability of tennis, not the personality and behavior of them
as a person individually. i agree with you that amateurs could criticize
pros on or off the court which is the most job every tennis fan does. but
that is only talking and judging not acting. if a fan wants to take care of
pros' business, especially world top players', it doesn't
【在 n***e 的大作中提到】
: think of china's soccer fan. of course if you put them on soccer field, they
: can't outperform our national team. but how can you shut their mouth for
: commenting the team on their poor performance? you ask me to respect them
: unconditionally just because I can't shoot or dribble a ball? come on.
: everybody is entitled of his opinion at least. but not everybody is entitled
: respect, just because of his position. your "respect" because someone is
: more gifted/suited to play some sport may be misplaced.
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