e*******e
发帖数: 9616 | 1 蝶泳stroke间的休息phase问题
现在是瓶颈，５０－７５y/m就不想／不能继续游了。自我诊断了一下，还是手臂的力
量不足，划水后速度上不来／出不了水面／太低了。
仔细研究了一些专业运动员的tape，他们都说前臂throw forward的时候有个短暂的休
息期，我没感觉出来哪里是可以休息的，估计这里出了问题？
大家谁给说说？小孩子的肌肉肯定没发育好，蝶２００照样没问题，所以我问题可能出
在endurance上，其中一个问题就是stroke recover的时候不懂得relax/rest一下？ |
x********n
发帖数: 1188 | 2 该找个教练指导几次。我觉得小孩的优势就是轻，这样做动作容易
【在 e*******e 的大作中提到】
: 蝶泳stroke间的休息phase问题
: 现在是瓶颈，５０－７５y/m就不想／不能继续游了。自我诊断了一下，还是手臂的力
: 量不足，划水后速度上不来／出不了水面／太低了。
: 仔细研究了一些专业运动员的tape，他们都说前臂throw forward的时候有个短暂的休
: 息期，我没感觉出来哪里是可以休息的，估计这里出了问题？
: 大家谁给说说？小孩子的肌肉肯定没发育好，蝶２００照样没问题，所以我问题可能出
: 在endurance上，其中一个问题就是stroke recover的时候不懂得relax/rest一下？
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e*******e
发帖数: 9616 | 3 前段时间我参加了master swimming,结果大家都是埋头游，教练都不说，最后才发现大
部分人都是triathlon/open water为主攻方向的。IM每周只练一次，而且不硬性规定蝶
泳的里程，现在只好自己加灶练了。
要不请我儿子的教练给我和儿子一起上private lesson算了，正好。
【在 x********n 的大作中提到】
: 该找个教练指导几次。我觉得小孩的优势就是轻，这样做动作容易
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hs
发帖数: 1549 | 4 我双手甩到前面的时候会顿一下，漂一点，主要是这个节奏自己习惯了
【在 e*******e 的大作中提到】
: 蝶泳stroke间的休息phase问题
: 现在是瓶颈，５０－７５y/m就不想／不能继续游了。自我诊断了一下，还是手臂的力
: 量不足，划水后速度上不来／出不了水面／太低了。
: 仔细研究了一些专业运动员的tape，他们都说前臂throw forward的时候有个短暂的休
: 息期，我没感觉出来哪里是可以休息的，估计这里出了问题？
: 大家谁给说说？小孩子的肌肉肯定没发育好，蝶２００照样没问题，所以我问题可能出
: 在endurance上，其中一个问题就是stroke recover的时候不懂得relax/rest一下？
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s*******w
发帖数: 126 | 5 nod，我也是漂一下来休息~~~
我猜专业运动员是因为蝶泳腿很强大，他们主要不是靠划手来维持动量，所以他们可以
在甩臂以前休息？
【在 hs 的大作中提到】
: 我双手甩到前面的时候会顿一下，漂一点，主要是这个节奏自己习惯了
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a***c
发帖数: 2443 | 6 same here, I don't last very long when swimming fly, ~150m tops, then
my form goes down hill very quickly.
Regarding 出水, a lot of people say it's really the kick that helps you
break out of water more than the pull (think of it as jumping). The
kids at my local pool who are on swim teams don't look like they have
crazy strong arms and shoulders, yet they can swim fly all day long, so
it's gotta be their core strength and their legs.
【在 e*******e 的大作中提到】
: 蝶泳stroke间的休息phase问题
: 现在是瓶颈，５０－７５y/m就不想／不能继续游了。自我诊断了一下，还是手臂的力
: 量不足，划水后速度上不来／出不了水面／太低了。
: 仔细研究了一些专业运动员的tape，他们都说前臂throw forward的时候有个短暂的休
: 息期，我没感觉出来哪里是可以休息的，估计这里出了问题？
: 大家谁给说说？小孩子的肌肉肯定没发育好，蝶２００照样没问题，所以我问题可能出
: 在endurance上，其中一个问题就是stroke recover的时候不懂得relax/rest一下？
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p*5
发帖数: 16204 | 7 我觉得你不会手臂力量不足
你还要在找全身的节奏上下功夫
你找一种感觉，就是累了以后，手臂划不动了，划不满了，但是你一样能出水，只是节
奏变慢，速度变慢。
【在 e*******e 的大作中提到】
: 蝶泳stroke间的休息phase问题
: 现在是瓶颈，５０－７５y/m就不想／不能继续游了。自我诊断了一下，还是手臂的力
: 量不足，划水后速度上不来／出不了水面／太低了。
: 仔细研究了一些专业运动员的tape，他们都说前臂throw forward的时候有个短暂的休
: 息期，我没感觉出来哪里是可以休息的，估计这里出了问题？
: 大家谁给说说？小孩子的肌肉肯定没发育好，蝶２００照样没问题，所以我问题可能出
: 在endurance上，其中一个问题就是stroke recover的时候不懂得relax/rest一下？
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p*5
发帖数: 16204 | 8 我们一周也就是一天IM啊
【在 e*******e 的大作中提到】
: 前段时间我参加了master swimming,结果大家都是埋头游，教练都不说，最后才发现大
: 部分人都是triathlon/open water为主攻方向的。IM每周只练一次，而且不硬性规定蝶
: 泳的里程，现在只好自己加灶练了。
: 要不请我儿子的教练给我和儿子一起上private lesson算了，正好。
|
p*5
发帖数: 16204 | 9 恩。。。想快蝶就不停顿，长距离的蝶就票一会儿。
【在 hs 的大作中提到】
: 我双手甩到前面的时候会顿一下，漂一点，主要是这个节奏自己习惯了
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p*5
发帖数: 16204 | 10 你好好想一下，你推水和二次打水是不是同时。
【在 e*******e 的大作中提到】
: 蝶泳stroke间的休息phase问题
: 现在是瓶颈，５０－７５y/m就不想／不能继续游了。自我诊断了一下，还是手臂的力
: 量不足，划水后速度上不来／出不了水面／太低了。
: 仔细研究了一些专业运动员的tape，他们都说前臂throw forward的时候有个短暂的休
: 息期，我没感觉出来哪里是可以休息的，估计这里出了问题？
: 大家谁给说说？小孩子的肌肉肯定没发育好，蝶２００照样没问题，所以我问题可能出
: 在endurance上，其中一个问题就是stroke recover的时候不懂得relax/rest一下？
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m****c
发帖数: 244 | 11 pay attention to the 2nd kick when you dive in your head,
right after that you should have a moment of glide.
【在 e*******e 的大作中提到】
: 蝶泳stroke间的休息phase问题
: 现在是瓶颈，５０－７５y/m就不想／不能继续游了。自我诊断了一下，还是手臂的力
: 量不足，划水后速度上不来／出不了水面／太低了。
: 仔细研究了一些专业运动员的tape，他们都说前臂throw forward的时候有个短暂的休
: 息期，我没感觉出来哪里是可以休息的，估计这里出了问题？
: 大家谁给说说？小孩子的肌肉肯定没发育好，蝶２００照样没问题，所以我问题可能出
: 在endurance上，其中一个问题就是stroke recover的时候不懂得relax/rest一下？
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e*******e
发帖数: 9616 | 12 今天重点试验了一下手划水和body dolphin分开
就是手臂尽管划／休息过渡，
抬头用first kick的余速和second kick的下压来抬头
两者互不干扰，结果好一点了。 |
g*z
发帖数: 3227 | 13 划完水胳膊在水面上往前甩的时候是可以“休息“的，往前扑也是靠送肩。有个前提是
肩部柔韧性得好，要不然会很费力，小孩子用力/放松的协调性好，柔韧性也好些。
【在 e*******e 的大作中提到】
: 蝶泳stroke间的休息phase问题
: 现在是瓶颈，５０－７５y/m就不想／不能继续游了。自我诊断了一下，还是手臂的力
: 量不足，划水后速度上不来／出不了水面／太低了。
: 仔细研究了一些专业运动员的tape，他们都说前臂throw forward的时候有个短暂的休
: 息期，我没感觉出来哪里是可以休息的，估计这里出了问题？
: 大家谁给说说？小孩子的肌肉肯定没发育好，蝶２００照样没问题，所以我问题可能出
: 在endurance上，其中一个问题就是stroke recover的时候不懂得relax/rest一下？
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e*******e
发帖数: 9616 | 14 哎
【在 g*z 的大作中提到】
: 划完水胳膊在水面上往前甩的时候是可以“休息“的，往前扑也是靠送肩。有个前提是
: 肩部柔韧性得好，要不然会很费力，小孩子用力/放松的协调性好，柔韧性也好些。
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e*******e
发帖数: 9616 | |
e*******e
发帖数: 9616 | 16 http://www.ywca.org/atf/cf/%7B09E41378-901D-47D3-91DE-C700B1371B1F%7D/Flexibility%20for%20Swimmers.htm
Flexibility for Swimmers
The best swimmers incorporate flexibility training into their regimen for
two main reasons. First, as muscles are stretched, the individual fibers
lengthen. A longer muscle fiber can create more force when it contracts. So
flexibility training helps to increase the muscle's ability to pull you
through the water. One of the causes of poor performance in swimming is
often due to lack of flexibility, the limitation of range of movement in the
joints, in particular the shoulder and ankle joints. It restricts the
extent to which a limb can be placed in the water to give maximum effect for
efficient stroke technique, hence the speed and endurance of a swimmer will
suffer. Where there is stiffness in a joint the muscles have to work harder
to overcome this stiffness and the body is using up valuable energy which
could otherwise be used to swim faster. By increasing the range of movement
in the shoulder, spine and ankle joints, vital energy is saved, technique
improves and the swimmer is able to swim faster, harder and longer. It also
prevents injury like torn muscles and aching shoulder joints, which is very
common amongst swimmers with poor flexibility.
Second, the less turbulence you create as you move through the water, the
faster you will go. One of the biggest causes of turbulence is moving your
body from side to side as you swim. Flexibility training will increase the
range of motion of your joints, which allows you to move the joint instead
of your whole body. This creates a more fluid motion in the water and less
turbulence. Allysa Lutz, a collegiate swimmer and multiple triathlon winner,
believes that, flexibility can make the difference between someone swimming
smoothly and efficiently, and someone splashing and making more waves than
progress.
As one gets older, flexibility becomes less, even with regular training in
the water. It is therefore important that swimmers do flexing and stretching
exercises regularly. For young swimmers, especially those who are just
starting to train, it is even more important to exercise because a marked
loss of flexibility occurs between the ages of 11 and 13 years, to maintain
their natural flexibility throughout their swimming life.
Every swimmer can find time to exercise once or twice every day for 15
minutes. The exercises are simple, require no equipment, no special rooms
and can be done anywhere, whilst watching T.V., for example. Some exercises
can even be done in the back of a car on the way to the pool, whilst waiting
for the bus or when walking home from school.
All swimmers should also do some flexing and stretching before getting in
the water to prepare the muscles to do work and after training to prevent
stiffening up. Those who do weight training, flexing and stretching is
important before and after the weight work.
In general, simple mobility exercises, stretching the spine, shoulder, hip
and ankle joints are all that is basically required. However, a swimmer who
has a particular weakness should consult the coach who may then design a
special program to overcome this problem.
Any flexing exercise which involves bouncing and jerking movements should
not be used as this could cause painful damage to the muscle and the joint.
Forced stretch where another person is attempting to force the joint that
little bit further, should be avoided unless that person is experienced and
qualified. Remember, the other person cannot feel what the swimmer feels. By
the time the swimmer tells him ‘it hurts”, it may be too late; the damage
is done and that could mean the swimmer is a long time out of the water
waiting for the damage to heal up.
A complete stretching program will include the following components:
1. Proper warm-up: Muscles and tendons stretch easier and stretch farther
when they are warmed up. Think of your muscles and tendons as pieces of gum
; when gum is cold and you try to bend it, it breaks in half, but if it is
warm, it just bends and stretches. So before you start stretching, play
around in the water, moving all your muscles, get your heart rate up a
little by swimming a few easy laps at an easy pace.
2. Stretch all the muscles you will use: We tend to think that we will
only be using our shoulders and glutes/quads during swimming because those
are the muscles that usually get sore after a good swim workout. In truth,
you use almost every muscle in your body! Depending on which stroke you swim
(freestyle, breast-stroke, back-stroke, or butterfly), you will use some
muscles more than others, but they should all be stretched.
3. Length of stretch: It's real easy to rush through our stretching
program to get to the fun part of the workout; but then we wonder why we don
't get more flexible. Each stretch should be held for 20 - 30 seconds to
increase flexibility. A shorter stretch may feel like plenty, but it's not.
This is |
p*5
发帖数: 16204 | 17 The overhead and cross-chest are among the streches I do every time before
and after swimming.
Is there a complete set to stretch everything?
Are adults still able to make ankles more flexible?
No wonder my coach said yoga is the best dryland training for swimmers.
So
the
for
【在 e*******e 的大作中提到】
: http://www.ywca.org/atf/cf/%7B09E41378-901D-47D3-91DE-C700B1371B1F%7D/Flexibility%20for%20Swimmers.htm
: Flexibility for Swimmers
: The best swimmers incorporate flexibility training into their regimen for
: two main reasons. First, as muscles are stretched, the individual fibers
: lengthen. A longer muscle fiber can create more force when it contracts. So
: flexibility training helps to increase the muscle's ability to pull you
: through the water. One of the causes of poor performance in swimming is
: often due to lack of flexibility, the limitation of range of movement in the
: joints, in particular the shoulder and ankle joints. It restricts the
: extent to which a limb can be placed in the water to give maximum effect for
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s*******w
发帖数: 126 | 18 这个韧带真强大~~~
【在 e*******e 的大作中提到】
: 哎
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e*******e
发帖数: 9616 | 19 今晚试验了一下蝶泳，手掌心朝天出水／掠水recover／soft catch/stretch,感觉相当
舒服，真有点mood拍个视频了。
【在 e*******e 的大作中提到】
: 哎
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g****l
发帖数: 644 | 20 支持拍
【在 e*******e 的大作中提到】
: 今晚试验了一下蝶泳，手掌心朝天出水／掠水recover／soft catch/stretch,感觉相当
: 舒服，真有点mood拍个视频了。
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e*******e
发帖数: 9616 | 21 尽量，尽量... ...
话说出口了就收不回来了。。。。。。
【在 g****l 的大作中提到】
: 支持拍
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e*******e
发帖数: 9616 | 22 今天早起送孩子上学，顺便和退休老人家一起游了１mile.
感觉蝶泳还是靠头／肩膀／上身插进水去，象海豚入水那样。
头砸进去了出来呼吸反而容易=舒服
蝶泳是上半身带动的泳式，虽然踢水也很重要。 |
