p***e
发帖数: 472 | 1 想在Delaware注册个LLC，请问state tax 怎么算？没有profit的话，也要交么？谢谢
。 |
s**********a
发帖数: 3273 | 2 如果你 operating 不在 delaware，你不需要交 delaware 的州税。
但是你需要在本州注册 foreign company ，然后交你本州的州税。
【在 p***e 的大作中提到】
: 想在Delaware注册个LLC，请问state tax 怎么算？没有profit的话，也要交么？谢谢
: 。
|
p***e
发帖数: 472 | 3 如果在delaware operate，怎么交州税呢？谢谢。
【在 s**********a 的大作中提到】
: 如果你 operating 不在 delaware，你不需要交 delaware 的州税。
: 但是你需要在本州注册 foreign company ，然后交你本州的州税。
|
s**********a
发帖数: 3273 | 4 那就该怎么报怎么报啊。Delaware 的州税还是蛮高的。
【在 p***e 的大作中提到】
: 如果在delaware operate，怎么交州税呢？谢谢。
|
p***e
发帖数: 472 | 5 sorry, 问个弱问题，什么判断在哪个州 operate?是看人在哪么？
【在 s**********a 的大作中提到】
: 那就该怎么报怎么报啊。Delaware 的州税还是蛮高的。
|
s**********a
发帖数: 3273 | 6 你得先说清楚了是哪种类型的 business.
【在 p***e 的大作中提到】
: sorry, 问个弱问题，什么判断在哪个州 operate?是看人在哪么？
|
p***e
发帖数: 472 | 7 industrial control.
More specifically, I want to know if I still need to pay state tax when the
LLC doesn't have any profit.
【在 s**********a 的大作中提到】
: 你得先说清楚了是哪种类型的 business.
|
o*******g
发帖数: 1300 | 8 You are in TX. What is wrong to register in TX?
you pay $0 in texas unless your profit and revenue reaches a certain amount. it is not like CA, you have to $800 to maintain an LLC.
the
【在 p***e 的大作中提到】
: industrial control.
: More specifically, I want to know if I still need to pay state tax when the
: LLC doesn't have any profit.
|
a**e
发帖数: 5794 | 9 在Delaware注册以后好上市啊。
amount. it is not like CA, you have to $800 to maintain an LLC.
【在 o*******g 的大作中提到】
: You are in TX. What is wrong to register in TX?
: you pay $0 in texas unless your profit and revenue reaches a certain amount. it is not like CA, you have to $800 to maintain an LLC.
:
: the
|
o*******g
发帖数: 1300 | 10 Totally nonsense.
You are ready to go ipo and you ask people om mitbbs how to register a
company?
心存高远应该，但不应是好高骛远。
【在 a**e 的大作中提到】
: 在Delaware注册以后好上市啊。
:
: amount. it is not like CA, you have to $800 to maintain an LLC.
|
|
|
n**q
发帖数: 1147 | 11 加州 s-corp, llc, c-corp每年至少800美金费用给州？
amount. it is not like CA, you have to $800 to maintain an LLC.
【在 o*******g 的大作中提到】
: You are in TX. What is wrong to register in TX?
: you pay $0 in texas unless your profit and revenue reaches a certain amount. it is not like CA, you have to $800 to maintain an LLC.
:
: the
|
o*******g
发帖数: 1300 | 12 LLC $800 minimum
#
# The LLC will be taxed at the corporate tax rate of 8.84 percent and will
be subject to a minimum tax of $800.
http://www.ftb.ca.gov/businesses/bus_structures/llcompany.shtml
I don't know about other forms.
【在 n**q 的大作中提到】
: 加州 s-corp, llc, c-corp每年至少800美金费用给州？
:
: amount. it is not like CA, you have to $800 to maintain an LLC.
|
b*******e
发帖数: 6389 | 13 加州人都去隔壁州开公司。
【在 o*******g 的大作中提到】
: LLC $800 minimum
: #
: # The LLC will be taxed at the corporate tax rate of 8.84 percent and will
: be subject to a minimum tax of $800.
: http://www.ftb.ca.gov/businesses/bus_structures/llcompany.shtml
: I don't know about other forms.
|
o*******g
发帖数: 1300 | 14 there are legal consequences unless you can justify that your business has
truly nothing to do with your state.
According to all state laws, you have to pay applicable tax to that state if
income is generated from the activity from that state, even your company is
not registered in that state.
If the income is generated from many different states, there is something in
accounting called "apportionment factors"
Being a CA resident, it is not easy to claim your business is 100% outside
CA, when being audited.
I am no tax law expert, I just want to remind some people here that
1) Respect the laws and the consequences
2) There are loopholes, but you need to know what you are doing.
3) Focus on your business rather than tax. You can always restructure when
tax really becomes an issue.
Last I agree CA is a sucker state. Why the hell does it still go bankruptcy
after collecting so much tax?
【在 b*******e 的大作中提到】
: 加州人都去隔壁州开公司。
|
e******0
发帖数: 104 | 15 这话讲得实在!但请给个建议，
我是加州RESIDENT，但主要长住在VEGAS，展会上找客户，客户可能来自全美各地，你
说公司注册在CA还是NV呢？
if
is
in
【在 o*******g 的大作中提到】
: there are legal consequences unless you can justify that your business has
: truly nothing to do with your state.
: According to all state laws, you have to pay applicable tax to that state if
: income is generated from the activity from that state, even your company is
: not registered in that state.
: If the income is generated from many different states, there is something in
: accounting called "apportionment factors"
: Being a CA resident, it is not easy to claim your business is 100% outside
: CA, when being audited.
: I am no tax law expert, I just want to remind some people here that
|
p*******1
发帖数: 333 | 16 你这个说的不全面，LLC 可做C-CORP或PARTNERSHIP 或SOLE PROPERISHIP来报税。
自己看不懂，最好找专业人员。
没有其它意思，不想误导大众。
【在 o*******g 的大作中提到】
: LLC $800 minimum
: #
: # The LLC will be taxed at the corporate tax rate of 8.84 percent and will
: be subject to a minimum tax of $800.
: http://www.ftb.ca.gov/businesses/bus_structures/llcompany.shtml
: I don't know about other forms.
|
o*******g
发帖数: 1300 | 17 partnership:
http://www.ftb.ca.gov/businesses/bus_structures/partner.shtml
The partnership does not pay income tax. However, a limited partnership must
pay an annual tax of $800. The items of income, deductions, and credits "
flow down" from the partnership to the individual partners through the
California Schedule K-1, Partner’s Share of Income, Deductions, Credits,
etc. Each partner is responsible for paying taxes on their distributive
share.
c-corp:
http://www.ftb.ca.gov/businesses/bus_structures/cCorp.shtml
# A C corporation is taxed on its net income at a rate of 8.84 percent.
Entities formed as corporations under civil law and LLCs that elect to be
taxable as a C corporation are subject to a minimum tax of $800.
# The minimum franchise tax ($800) is due the first quarter of each
accounting period and must be paid whether the corporation is active,
inactive, operates at a loss, or files a return for a short period of less
than 12 months. The minimum tax is waived on newly formed or qualified
corporations filing an initial return for their first taxable year.
【在 p*******1 的大作中提到】
: 你这个说的不全面，LLC 可做C-CORP或PARTNERSHIP 或SOLE PROPERISHIP来报税。
: 自己看不懂，最好找专业人员。
: 没有其它意思，不想误导大众。
|
p*******1
发帖数: 333 | 18 A single-member LLC as disregarded from its owner,
and treat it as a sole proprietorship。
An LLC with more than one member as a partnership.
An LLC that files an election to classify as an "association,"
for federal tax purposes, as a corporation.
must
【在 o*******g 的大作中提到】
: partnership:
: http://www.ftb.ca.gov/businesses/bus_structures/partner.shtml
: The partnership does not pay income tax. However, a limited partnership must
: pay an annual tax of $800. The items of income, deductions, and credits "
: flow down" from the partnership to the individual partners through the
: California Schedule K-1, Partner’s Share of Income, Deductions, Credits,
: etc. Each partner is responsible for paying taxes on their distributive
: share.
: c-corp:
: http://www.ftb.ca.gov/businesses/bus_structures/cCorp.shtml
|
o*******g
发帖数: 1300 | 19 I was talking about California franchise tax and showed official government
website.
please show reference of authority if you think I was wrong.
【在 p*******1 的大作中提到】
: A single-member LLC as disregarded from its owner,
: and treat it as a sole proprietorship。
: An LLC with more than one member as a partnership.
: An LLC that files an election to classify as an "association,"
: for federal tax purposes, as a corporation.
:
: must
|
p*******1
发帖数: 333 | 20 The LLC will be taxed at the corporate tax rate of 8.84 percent--------
这个是你的原话，我说的是你这个不完整。LLC可以不交corporate tax。
You asked for official website, it is the website you posted which from franchise tax board, just you donot understand it.
【在 o*******g 的大作中提到】
: LLC $800 minimum
: #
: # The LLC will be taxed at the corporate tax rate of 8.84 percent and will
: be subject to a minimum tax of $800.
: http://www.ftb.ca.gov/businesses/bus_structures/llcompany.shtml
: I don't know about other forms.
|
|
|
o*******g
发帖数: 1300 | 21 That 8.84 line was directly quoted from ca government website and the link
was posted with that quote.
I still cannot find anywhere showing that the $800 franchise tax could be
exempted.
You said llc can file as c or partnership. I showed you links that both c
and partnership require minimum $800 tax.
Please show solid proof such as a website to support your claim first. I don
't know much ca tax law but what you have
posted so far are pretty much groundless.
franchise tax board, just you donot understand
it.
【在 p*******1 的大作中提到】
: The LLC will be taxed at the corporate tax rate of 8.84 percent--------
: 这个是你的原话，我说的是你这个不完整。LLC可以不交corporate tax。
: You asked for official website, it is the website you posted which from franchise tax board, just you donot understand it.
|
p*******1
发帖数: 333 | 22 你有完没完？我没有说你错了，只是说你不全面，不完整。
800 是所有的ENTITY都必须的，LLC还有ANNUAL FEE你知不知道？
LLC 在不选作C CORP 时，是不用交INCOME税的。
看书要看全部，不要只看一部分。
我不需要向你SHOW OFF，只是看到太多的人认为LLC要交CORPORATE TAX才指出这一点。
An LLC that is taxable as a partnership can achieve both conduit tax treatment and limited liability protection under civil law, similar to an entity taxable as an S corporation. However, an LLC taxable as a partnership does not have the ownership restrictions that apply to entities taxable as S corporations.
If the LLC has a single member, it will be disregarded as separate from its owner, and will be treated as a sole proprietorship or a division of its owner, unless it elects to be taxable as a corporation.
这段话，就在你POST的网上，你看到没？
All LLCs classified as corporations that organize in California--
这句话的意思是当LLC选作corporations时---
不是说所有的LLC必须当作corporations对待。
你对这句话理解错了。 不是你的错，你又不是本行，看个医书或法律书的就能成医生或律师？
don
【在 o*******g 的大作中提到】
: That 8.84 line was directly quoted from ca government website and the link
: was posted with that quote.
: I still cannot find anywhere showing that the $800 franchise tax could be
: exempted.
: You said llc can file as c or partnership. I showed you links that both c
: and partnership require minimum $800 tax.
: Please show solid proof such as a website to support your claim first. I don
: 't know much ca tax law but what you have
: posted so far are pretty much groundless.
:
|
o*******g
发帖数: 1300 | 23 From beginning to end, I was talking about $800 minimum tax of CA LLC.
I used it compare with other states such as TX, which is virtually 0 tax for small companies without meaningful income.
I quoted one line of LLC as an example. You say I am 不全面，不完整, but now you say 800 是所有的ENTITY都必须的.
So please
1) be patient and understand other people's post before posting your comments.
2) provide more meaningful explanation. If you say 800 是所有的ENTITY都必须的. I don't know what we are arguing about.
treatment and limited liability protection under civil law, similar to an
entity taxable as an S corporation. However, an LLC taxable as a partnership
does not have the ownership restrictions that apply to entities taxable as
S corporations.
its owner, and will be treated as a sole proprietorship or a division of its
owner, unless it elects to be taxable as a corporation.
【在 p*******1 的大作中提到】
: 你有完没完？我没有说你错了，只是说你不全面，不完整。
: 800 是所有的ENTITY都必须的，LLC还有ANNUAL FEE你知不知道？
: LLC 在不选作C CORP 时，是不用交INCOME税的。
: 看书要看全部，不要只看一部分。
: 我不需要向你SHOW OFF，只是看到太多的人认为LLC要交CORPORATE TAX才指出这一点。
: An LLC that is taxable as a partnership can achieve both conduit tax treatment and limited liability protection under civil law, similar to an entity taxable as an S corporation. However, an LLC taxable as a partnership does not have the ownership restrictions that apply to entities taxable as S corporations.
: If the LLC has a single member, it will be disregarded as separate from its owner, and will be treated as a sole proprietorship or a division of its owner, unless it elects to be taxable as a corporation.
: 这段话，就在你POST的网上，你看到没？
: All LLCs classified as corporations that organize in California--
: 这句话的意思是当LLC选作corporations时---
|
o*******g
发帖数: 1300 | 24 We are here on this board for discussion, for knowledge sharing.
It is good that we can learn from experts.
However, to achieve positive discussion, the following is needed:
1) understand what other people are discussing before jumping in with
senseless attacks
2) be logically in your own posts
3) hold strong words
4) If you are an expert, show your expertise, not snobbishness.
I feel it was a total waste of time having a meaningless argument above. I
do not see anyone benefit from it.
I am not a tax expert. I just happen to know CA LLC requires minimum $800
annual tax. If this is not correct, please point it out. If it is correct, I
am happy I did not mislead anyone. |
p*******1
发帖数: 333 | 25 我不需要向你证明什么专家。我也不是专家，
你的引用，没有上下文，看起来就是这种感觉。
That 8.84 line was directly quoted from ca government website and the link
was posted with that quote。
这是你说的，你还是认为这个就是全部，现在又转为MINIMUM TAX ISSUE，
我从来就没有说过MINIMUM TAX不用交，也没有谈到这个话题。
【在 o*******g 的大作中提到】
: We are here on this board for discussion, for knowledge sharing.
: It is good that we can learn from experts.
: However, to achieve positive discussion, the following is needed:
: 1) understand what other people are discussing before jumping in with
: senseless attacks
: 2) be logically in your own posts
: 3) hold strong words
: 4) If you are an expert, show your expertise, not snobbishness.
: I feel it was a total waste of time having a meaningless argument above. I
: do not see anyone benefit from it.
|
o*******g
发帖数: 1300 | 26 To help you understand the full context. |
p*******1
发帖数: 333 | 27 明白了
【在 o*******g 的大作中提到】
: To help you understand the full context.
|
s******g
发帖数: 654 | 28 Sorry to interupt you two. However, in California, no need to pay minimum
tax $800 for general partnership. Thanks. |
o*******g
发帖数: 1300 | 29 Thanks for the addition.
I was specifically talking about LLC, then extend to S and C and LP.
Is GP a useful form of company, considering it does not provide limited
liability protection?
【在 s******g 的大作中提到】
: Sorry to interupt you two. However, in California, no need to pay minimum
: tax $800 for general partnership. Thanks.
|
s******g
发帖数: 654 | 30 If the business will be with no liabilities and no debt, it should be good
to go for the GP. Considering $800/year for savings, ten years could save
you $8,000.
====================================
Advantages - General Partnership
•Simple and inexpensive to create and operate
•One big advantage of a general partnership is that you don't have to
register with your state and pay a fee, as you do to establish a corporation
or limited liability company. And because a general partnership is normally
a " pass through" tax entity (the partners, not the partnership, are taxed
unless you specifically elect to be taxed like a corporation) filing income
tax returns is easy.
Disadvantages - General Partnership
•Disadvantage of doing business as a general partnership is that all
partners are personally liable for business debts and liabilities (for
example, a judgment in a lawsuit).
【在 o*******g 的大作中提到】
: Thanks for the addition.
: I was specifically talking about LLC, then extend to S and C and LP.
: Is GP a useful form of company, considering it does not provide limited
: liability protection?
|
|
|
o*******g
发帖数: 1300 | 31 what kind of business has no liability?
to
corporation
normally
taxed
【在 s******g 的大作中提到】
: If the business will be with no liabilities and no debt, it should be good
: to go for the GP. Considering $800/year for savings, ten years could save
: you $8,000.
: ====================================
: Advantages - General Partnership
: •Simple and inexpensive to create and operate
: •One big advantage of a general partnership is that you don't have to
: register with your state and pay a fee, as you do to establish a corporation
: or limited liability company. And because a general partnership is normally
: a " pass through" tax entity (the partners, not the partnership, are taxed
|
s******g
发帖数: 654 | 32 I will recommend you to attend some seminars like this:
This two-day training course is designed to provide a comprehensive
understanding of the taxation of partnerships, limited liability companies
and limited liability partnerships and their owners. You will build your
understanding and expertise through the integration of the most recent tax
laws and theories to real-world case scenarios via the preparation or review
of IRS tax forms and practice aids
http://www.calcpa.org/Public/Catalog/CourseDetails.aspx?courseID=104102128A
Date: Monday, November 08, 2010 - Tuesday, November 09, 2010
Time: 8:30 AM - 4:00 PM (Registration at 7:30 AM)
Facility: South San Francisco Conference Center, South San Francisco
Area: San Francisco Airport
CPE Credit: 16.0 CPE (Continuing Professional Education)
16.0 CTEC Federal Hours
16.0 Enrolled Agents
Instructor: Mark Vanden Berge
Developer: Garverick CPE LLC
NASBA Subject Area: Taxes
Delivery: Group Live
Course Level: Beginning
Fee: $630 CalCPA Members, $830 Nonmembers
Coupon Fee: $0
VP Fee: $0
You should be able to understand the details about partnership.
It only costs you $830 and 16 hours.
Thanks.
【在 o*******g 的大作中提到】
: what kind of business has no liability?
:
: to
: corporation
: normally
: taxed
|
o*******g
发帖数: 1300 | 33 I do not plan to register a company in CA. I was just curious.
I feel lucky that I don't need to pay $800 for nothing as I own several
entities outside CA and at least one of them is pretty dormant.
Thank you for your information.
review
【在 s******g 的大作中提到】
: I will recommend you to attend some seminars like this:
: This two-day training course is designed to provide a comprehensive
: understanding of the taxation of partnerships, limited liability companies
: and limited liability partnerships and their owners. You will build your
: understanding and expertise through the integration of the most recent tax
: laws and theories to real-world case scenarios via the preparation or review
: of IRS tax forms and practice aids
: http://www.calcpa.org/Public/Catalog/CourseDetails.aspx?courseID=104102128A
: Date: Monday, November 08, 2010 - Tuesday, November 09, 2010
: Time: 8:30 AM - 4:00 PM (Registration at 7:30 AM)
|
s**********a
发帖数: 3273 | 34 The whole idea of incorporate is to take personal liability off the table.
Tax issues are usually only taken into account after that.
There is no such business with no liability.
to
corporation
normally
taxed
【在 s******g 的大作中提到】
: If the business will be with no liabilities and no debt, it should be good
: to go for the GP. Considering $800/year for savings, ten years could save
: you $8,000.
: ====================================
: Advantages - General Partnership
: •Simple and inexpensive to create and operate
: •One big advantage of a general partnership is that you don't have to
: register with your state and pay a fee, as you do to establish a corporation
: or limited liability company. And because a general partnership is normally
: a " pass through" tax entity (the partners, not the partnership, are taxed
|
