a**u
发帖数: 8107 | 1 大家再怎么吵，喜欢还是不喜欢，当今足坛，鸟仍然是绝大多数俱乐部老板们愿意花钱
请的教练，梅西也仍然是绝大多数教练想买的球员。 | P******t
发帖数: 1717 | 2 Indeed, I highly evaluate Niao, and think he has time and chance to achieve
more important champions, and to surpass other great coaches decisively.
Even now, if somebody insists to say Niao's achievement is greater than
Capello, I wouldn't object the statement, since people are different to
compare and Niao does have better aspects than Capello. But some people
insist to describe Capello as a piece of crap, which is really brassy,
biased, amnesic, idiotic, and shameless.
Btw, IMHO, Niao well deserves his credits from peers, but Messi is
definitely over-evaluated except in his club fans' eyes.
【在 a**u 的大作中提到】
: 大家再怎么吵，喜欢还是不喜欢，当今足坛，鸟仍然是绝大多数俱乐部老板们愿意花钱
: 请的教练，梅西也仍然是绝大多数教练想买的球员。
| A**d
发帖数: 13310 | 3 恰恰相反，我看梅西的带球频率和射门传球的结合能力非常恐怖，天赋
显而易见。倒是卡佩罗只是在正确的时间出现在正确地点而已，要说他的
能力，确实比温格之流强，属于心理素质很好，关键时候不会出大昏招
拉稀的——这最后一点很多教练都做不到——但也仅此而已，培养球员
和技战术思想都没啥独到之处。
achieve
【在 P******t 的大作中提到】
: Indeed, I highly evaluate Niao, and think he has time and chance to achieve
: more important champions, and to surpass other great coaches decisively.
: Even now, if somebody insists to say Niao's achievement is greater than
: Capello, I wouldn't object the statement, since people are different to
: compare and Niao does have better aspects than Capello. But some people
: insist to describe Capello as a piece of crap, which is really brassy,
: biased, amnesic, idiotic, and shameless.
: Btw, IMHO, Niao well deserves his credits from peers, but Messi is
: definitely over-evaluated except in his club fans' eyes.
| P******t
发帖数: 1717 | 4 I agree 梅西 is a good player with some great 天赋, especially in La Liga.
But people not just praise him as a good player with great 天赋, instead,
some people are trying to describe him as a soccer God or Soccer King, which
I believe such credits have gone too far for him. Maybe I watched more
games of him in Argentina than in Barca. At least in those Argentina games
that I watched, his performance was speechless horrible if not like an idiot
, possessing the ball into defender crowd and losing the ball again and
again...However, fans keep blaming that's his teamates' problem/fault but
not his. Btw, it's also difficult for me to understand what credit/
performance made him FIFA player of the year in 2010, so I cannot agree that
he deserves the received credits even if I agree he has excellent 天赋 and
an excellent player in Barca.
【在 A**d 的大作中提到】
: 恰恰相反，我看梅西的带球频率和射门传球的结合能力非常恐怖，天赋
: 显而易见。倒是卡佩罗只是在正确的时间出现在正确地点而已，要说他的
: 能力，确实比温格之流强，属于心理素质很好，关键时候不会出大昏招
: 拉稀的——这最后一点很多教练都做不到——但也仅此而已，培养球员
: 和技战术思想都没啥独到之处。
:
: achieve
| D****o
发帖数: 12808 | 5 大多数情况下，叫他球王都有贬义在里面
你看哪个忠实的梅西粉叫过他球王？
which
games
idiot
that
【在 P******t 的大作中提到】
: I agree 梅西 is a good player with some great 天赋, especially in La Liga.
: But people not just praise him as a good player with great 天赋, instead,
: some people are trying to describe him as a soccer God or Soccer King, which
: I believe such credits have gone too far for him. Maybe I watched more
: games of him in Argentina than in Barca. At least in those Argentina games
: that I watched, his performance was speechless horrible if not like an idiot
: , possessing the ball into defender crowd and losing the ball again and
: again...However, fans keep blaming that's his teamates' problem/fault but
: not his. Btw, it's also difficult for me to understand what credit/
: performance made him FIFA player of the year in 2010, so I cannot agree that
| g***j
发帖数: 40861 | | P******t
发帖数: 1717 | 7 I did see posts maybe 1-2 years ago on this forum calling him God,
describing his every muscle move incredible, like describing an alien.
Those posts didn't mean 贬义 at all for sure. I think it was since that,
folks here started to call him 梅神, and also 梅球王, although much were
for making fun of him. But you can also see serious discussion whether
Messi is deserved 球王 title here from time to time, like similar discussion
about Zidane before. Some people think he is already better than Ronaldo
seriously. I don't think he has reached the same height as Ronaldo. Even
Ronaldo can only be called the best or one of the best strikers in last 20
years, not 球王, how would a reasonable person agree that Messi deserves the
title?
Back to your question, maybe 忠实的梅西粉 haven't 叫他球王formally, but I do
see 忠实的梅西粉 are trying to sell the idea that 他 deserves to be
considered a new 球王.
【在 D****o 的大作中提到】
: 大多数情况下，叫他球王都有贬义在里面
: 你看哪个忠实的梅西粉叫过他球王？
:
:
: which
: games
: idiot
: that
| a**u
发帖数: 8107 | 8 我只是觉得，很容易可以看得出来哪些id是可以讨论的对象啊，不一定非要和行为艺术
家们吵吧。当然，想无视那些自己不喜欢的帖子确实比较难了
achieve
花钱
【在 P******t 的大作中提到】
: Indeed, I highly evaluate Niao, and think he has time and chance to achieve
: more important champions, and to surpass other great coaches decisively.
: Even now, if somebody insists to say Niao's achievement is greater than
: Capello, I wouldn't object the statement, since people are different to
: compare and Niao does have better aspects than Capello. But some people
: insist to describe Capello as a piece of crap, which is really brassy,
: biased, amnesic, idiotic, and shameless.
: Btw, IMHO, Niao well deserves his credits from peers, but Messi is
: definitely over-evaluated except in his club fans' eyes.
|
| D****o
发帖数: 12808 | 9 我觉得吧（作为粉丝），球王不球王有啥
成绩好就行，成绩不好踢球帅就行，（底线一再被挑战:p）
starting叫他球王大概是因为老马说梅西是他心中的老马
早在N年前，他好像也是这么说艾马尔的
阿根廷好不容易有了个可能靠谱的，粉丝都憋坏了吧。。。
discussion
the
【在 P******t 的大作中提到】
: I did see posts maybe 1-2 years ago on this forum calling him God,
: describing his every muscle move incredible, like describing an alien.
: Those posts didn't mean 贬义 at all for sure. I think it was since that,
: folks here started to call him 梅神, and also 梅球王, although much were
: for making fun of him. But you can also see serious discussion whether
: Messi is deserved 球王 title here from time to time, like similar discussion
: about Zidane before. Some people think he is already better than Ronaldo
: seriously. I don't think he has reached the same height as Ronaldo. Even
: Ronaldo can only be called the best or one of the best strikers in last 20
: years, not 球王, how would a reasonable person agree that Messi deserves the
| g***j
发帖数: 40861 | 10 恩，很多人是急着给老马找接班人呢
【在 D****o 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得吧（作为粉丝），球王不球王有啥
: 成绩好就行，成绩不好踢球帅就行，（底线一再被挑战:p）
: starting叫他球王大概是因为老马说梅西是他心中的老马
: 早在N年前，他好像也是这么说艾马尔的
: 阿根廷好不容易有了个可能靠谱的，粉丝都憋坏了吧。。。
:
: discussion
: the
| | | P******t
发帖数: 1717 | 11 Maybe it's my bad and similar folks' bad, should have let 行为艺术家们
stalking on the forum freely, let their bizarre posts dominate most
discussion threads here if not all.
【在 a**u 的大作中提到】
: 我只是觉得，很容易可以看得出来哪些id是可以讨论的对象啊，不一定非要和行为艺术
: 家们吵吧。当然，想无视那些自己不喜欢的帖子确实比较难了
:
: achieve
: 花钱
| a**u
发帖数: 8107 | 12 我估计叫梅西球王的年轻人很多，其中看过马拉多纳比赛（不是高光集锦）的可能不太多
were
Ronaldo
Even
20
【在 D****o 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得吧（作为粉丝），球王不球王有啥
: 成绩好就行，成绩不好踢球帅就行，（底线一再被挑战:p）
: starting叫他球王大概是因为老马说梅西是他心中的老马
: 早在N年前，他好像也是这么说艾马尔的
: 阿根廷好不容易有了个可能靠谱的，粉丝都憋坏了吧。。。
:
: discussion
: the
| D****o
发帖数: 12808 | 13 真没看过老马的比赛
太多
【在 a**u 的大作中提到】
: 我估计叫梅西球王的年轻人很多，其中看过马拉多纳比赛（不是高光集锦）的可能不太多
:
: were
: Ronaldo
: Even
: 20
| a**u
发帖数: 8107 | 14 我肯定不能和本版一些资深球迷比了。86年世界杯的时候还不喜欢看足球，88年才开始
看意甲，90年世界杯到是看全了，所以对老马以一人之力把阿根廷带到决赛印象太深刻了
【在 D****o 的大作中提到】
: 真没看过老马的比赛
:
: 太多
| D****o
发帖数: 12808 | 15 我就不说我啥时候正儿八经开始看球了。。。
刻了
【在 a**u 的大作中提到】
: 我肯定不能和本版一些资深球迷比了。86年世界杯的时候还不喜欢看足球，88年才开始
: 看意甲，90年世界杯到是看全了，所以对老马以一人之力把阿根廷带到决赛印象太深刻了
| A*******e
发帖数: 12486 | 16 一棍子老剑客对球王的评价很客观
.
【在 A**d 的大作中提到】
: 恰恰相反，我看梅西的带球频率和射门传球的结合能力非常恐怖，天赋
: 显而易见。倒是卡佩罗只是在正确的时间出现在正确地点而已，要说他的
: 能力，确实比温格之流强，属于心理素质很好，关键时候不会出大昏招
: 拉稀的——这最后一点很多教练都做不到——但也仅此而已，培养球员
: 和技战术思想都没啥独到之处。
:
: achieve
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