a**i
发帖数: 87 | 1 email 或写信给council, 人多力量大。
看这篇今年一月份关于tent city 在Sammamish 的文章， 就知道坚决不能让他们来的
这么
容易。
http://www.issaquahreporter.com/news/240345511.html
The Sammamish City Council put a six-month moratorium on homeless
encampments Tuesday night to give the council, city staff and the community
time to develop permanent regulations.
Tent City 4's permit expires this weekend, but the newly-adopted moratorium
means they will not be able to come back to Sammamish until specific
guidelines regarding homeless encampments are decided upon.
The decision came as police and sheriff’s deputies arrested a Tent City
resident Jan. 9 for felony possession of narcotics. The 38-year-old man was
found carrying a pipe used to smoke methamphetamine. A small amount of
methamphetamine was found in the pipe.
After his arrest, police say the man claimed to have sold methamphetamine to
12 residents of Tent City 4 earlier that day. A search of his tent turned
up no additional drugs.
Another man, age 22, will also be charged with felony narcotics possession.
He was arrested on Dec. 18 when he stopped by the Sammamish Police station
to obtain previously confiscated items upon being kicked out of Tent City 4.
He had small baggie of methamphetamine in his jacket pocket.
“Our officers have been monitoring Tent City 4 from the beginning,”
Sammamish Police Chief Nate Elledge told the council Jan. 14. “Up until
recently, most of the incidents we followed up on were relatively minor. But
here at the end of their stay, we encountered some serious issues.”
Elledge said the department responded to 30 calls during the three months,
with 15 calls in the first two months and 15 more calls in the last month.
Elledge said calls did increase when the 30-day extension was granted, but
they are unsure as to why.
The 30 instances included five disturbance calls, a missing person call, a
warrant arrest and a narcotic investigation. The city said that while
following up on reports that drugs were being used and sold inside Tent City
4, Sammamish police, with the help of detectives from the Sheriff’s Office
, conducted an investigation that resulted in the arrests of the two men.
City manager Ben Yazici said it’s unfortunate that some residents decided
to break Tent City 4’s internal code of conduct, but that he was proud of
the results the Sammamish police produced. City officials wanted to make it
clear that although there were various issues that evolved with Tent City 4,
the overall experience was a positive one.
Tent City 4 set up camp at Mary Queen of Peace Church on Oct. 19, and after
60-days, received a 30-day extension so it could remain during the holiday
season.
While there was legitimate talk of Good Samaritan Episcopal Church hosting
Tent City 4 following their departure from Mary Queen of Peace, Good
Samaritan backed out suddenly for unknown reasons.
Good Samaritan had held an emergency meeting on Jan. 9 and Rev. Suzi
Robertson said that church leadership voted unanimously to host Tent City 4,
stating, “Good Samaritan is making plans with city officials, and a wealth
of support from the broader community to be Tent City 4’s next host.”
However, four days later the request was pulled off the table. Rev.
Robertson said she couldn’t comment on the matter.
“The difficulty and challenge as we go forward is that we haven’t engaged
the community in the regulations,” Yazici said. “I think the church, our
community and the City Council deserve credit for their generous spirit. We
took our turn and handled it as well as we could.”
Yazici said he hopes the problems discovered at the Sammamish encampment won
’t keep Tent City from finding another location.
“Although the leadership of Tent City 4 clearly has some work to do, I
trust that everyone’s good efforts will lead to better days ahead,” Yazici
said.
Other council members spoke up about the positivity that Tent City 4 had
brought to the community.
“Tent City has been a wonderful experience for the city,” deputy mayor
Kathy Huckabay said. “The concern I’m sure the community has is where Tent
City is going to go and whether we are forcing them out.”
Huckabay also said that she thinks taking the six-month moratorium will give
the city some much-needed time to organize.
“I look forward to getting through that process and having the opportunity
to have you back,” Huckabay said, speaking to the Tent City members.
Council member Nancy Whitten echoed that view, stating that the city needs
to make room for more affordable housing options, but in a way that is
equitable to all parties.
“I wanted to say thank you for coming. You have contributed a lot to the
community,” Whitten said. “We do need to get our ducks in order and make
it fair to the neighbors and figure out what’s best for the community.”
In a vote of 5-2, the moratorium passed with most council members agreeing
that they'd like to complete the process as soon as possible. Council member
Whitten and council member Ramiro Valderrama voted against the proposal.
“We do need to give our residents the opportunity to weigh in,” council
member Tom Odell said. “We need to give some thought as to how we deal with
all of this. But I would be in favor of trying to get this thing done as
soon as possible.”
Members of Tent City 4 spoke at the meeting, thanking the city and community
for being welcoming and supportive. They said that they wish Issaquah,
Woodinville or Redmond would invite them to stay, but they have not. They
are unsure where they will be going next, but they assured the council that
they will be out of Sammamish by Jan. 18. |
C**********0
发帖数: 84 | 2 参加过一次homeless shelter 的听证会。会上一女的痛心急首地痛斥反对者No heart
。然后一个男的站起来简单地说＂我反对，因为我不愿意我女儿有safety的concern＂
。这个男的是这个区的居民，而这个女的只是在一个公司工作，而她的公司距planned
shelter 很远。
用道德去评判他人总是很容易，尤其无关自身利益的时候。当然，如果还有利可图，那
所谓的道德就成了谋利的武器了。 |
f********m
发帖数: 8405 | 3 没有关系切身利益的时候，要做慈善确实容易的多。
美国还是比温哥华好多了。温哥华还搞安全注射屋，给瘾君子提供免费毒品。 |
I********e
发帖数: 6130 | 4 Well said.
I am not against helping the homeless at all. But I am against helping one
group of people by harming a much larger group of people.
And yes, I seriously suspect that some of the Sammamish city council members
were pro this because it looks good on their resume.
heart
planned
【在 C**********0 的大作中提到】
: 参加过一次homeless shelter 的听证会。会上一女的痛心急首地痛斥反对者No heart
: 。然后一个男的站起来简单地说＂我反对，因为我不愿意我女儿有safety的concern＂
: 。这个男的是这个区的居民，而这个女的只是在一个公司工作，而她的公司距planned
: shelter 很远。
: 用道德去评判他人总是很容易，尤其无关自身利益的时候。当然，如果还有利可图，那
: 所谓的道德就成了谋利的武器了。
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q*c
发帖数: 9453 | 5 把垃圾处理场健在你家门口好不好？ 既不方便垃圾处理也不方便你的生活。 你觉得好
不好？
左派最大的特点就是不就事论事， 而是举例进行忽悠 －－ 因为例子和实际事情总有
出入， 那就是做文章的地方了。
这里根本没人认为不该帮助 homeless， 而是怎么帮助？ 是花钱养人而且养在不合适
的地方， 还是花钱帮助他们自立？ 打个离婚官司就要破产， 这种疯狂的社会制度是
不是该花钱改改？
“得饶人处且饶人，中国人如是说；” －－ 结果现在中国人是挣钱最狠毒的， 当然
这样符合人性， 所以经济发展快。
“以集体的力量保障弱势群体，社会主义如是说；” － 结果社会主意害死的人各种暴
君都是瞠乎其后
“别拿砖头砸我，我如是说。” －－ 你不是个忽悠就是和糊涂虫， 嘿嘿。 |
q*c
发帖数: 9453 | 6 "没有关系切身利益的时候，要做慈善确实容易的多。"
这种慈善大多数都成了伪善。 一定要有切身利益， 人才会去想办法彻底解决问题而不
是表面文章。
这是人的自私本性。
【在 f********m 的大作中提到】
: 没有关系切身利益的时候，要做慈善确实容易的多。
: 美国还是比温哥华好多了。温哥华还搞安全注射屋，给瘾君子提供免费毒品。
|
C******r
发帖数: 76 | 7 说的好，不能同意更多。
heart
planned
【在 C**********0 的大作中提到】
: 参加过一次homeless shelter 的听证会。会上一女的痛心急首地痛斥反对者No heart
: 。然后一个男的站起来简单地说＂我反对，因为我不愿意我女儿有safety的concern＂
: 。这个男的是这个区的居民，而这个女的只是在一个公司工作，而她的公司距planned
: shelter 很远。
: 用道德去评判他人总是很容易，尤其无关自身利益的时候。当然，如果还有利可图，那
: 所谓的道德就成了谋利的武器了。
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C******r
发帖数: 76 | 8 不否认需要帮助的人里有很多好人，也值得大家去帮助。所以我们才要求加强监管和控
制，否则那几颗老鼠屎坏了满锅汤。好人也得不到帮助，就是慈善的悲哀了。 |
q*c
发帖数: 9453 | 9 说的好 － 可是再好的东西白痴化的后代不会听。
白痴化的人群只能被皮鞭抽醒 － 比如当年的中国义和团。 这个国家好生活过了几十
年， 现在大批白痴化的人群出现， 非人力可以挽回。
这只能说是上帝为了平衡， 而给人类设置的自毁基因在起作用。 当年勇武智慧无敌的
美帝白人先辈， 赤手空拳在荒芜的北美大陆上四处征战， 建立了这样强大民主的帝国
。 子孙败起来真是眼睛都不眨一下。
heart
planned
【在 C**********0 的大作中提到】
: 参加过一次homeless shelter 的听证会。会上一女的痛心急首地痛斥反对者No heart
: 。然后一个男的站起来简单地说＂我反对，因为我不愿意我女儿有safety的concern＂
: 。这个男的是这个区的居民，而这个女的只是在一个公司工作，而她的公司距planned
: shelter 很远。
: 用道德去评判他人总是很容易，尤其无关自身利益的时候。当然，如果还有利可图，那
: 所谓的道德就成了谋利的武器了。
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f********m
发帖数: 8405 | 10 问题现在投票权在谁手里？确实是制度问题，制度是谁制定的？想起那个有名的改变制
度减少海运黑奴死亡率的故事了。
逼到家门口了，才能让华人关心政治多生娃。。。
【在 q*c 的大作中提到】
: "没有关系切身利益的时候，要做慈善确实容易的多。"
: 这种慈善大多数都成了伪善。 一定要有切身利益， 人才会去想办法彻底解决问题而不
: 是表面文章。
: 这是人的自私本性。
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r**********g
发帖数: 22734 | 11 这也不对。我嚼着咱们也是外来的，其实是我们逼到人家家门口。
【在 f********m 的大作中提到】
: 问题现在投票权在谁手里？确实是制度问题，制度是谁制定的？想起那个有名的改变制
: 度减少海运黑奴死亡率的故事了。
: 逼到家门口了，才能让华人关心政治多生娃。。。
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f********m
发帖数: 8405 | 12 大家都是外来的，早晚而已。物竞天择。今天不争，祸延n代。。。
【在 r**********g 的大作中提到】
: 这也不对。我嚼着咱们也是外来的，其实是我们逼到人家家门口。
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k****i
发帖数: 21 | 13 I know some of school kids will do Tent City 工作 in summer. Their parents
are friendly and open mind to teach kids what they should do to help others.
The risk of safety is manageable to most of Sammamish family. I believe the
risk is not more than you walk to downtown Seattle at summer night. :) I
meant let those people have a place to stay will be better than let them
walk around on street which you and I will go.
Tent City is only 90 days in Sammamish. I guess I am ok with that. |
r**********g
发帖数: 22734 | 14 第一：Tent City必然不好，否则直接邀请常住就好了嘛，为什么限制12-18个月不准回
到原地？
第二：既然是不好的，要大家牺牲点帮助他们，那么就要公平，你比别的城市宽松就是
欢迎他们，我倒是代表贝勒府谢谢您了。
最后送你一个视频 |
a********e
发帖数: 5779 | 15 应该让tent city的人vote他们愿意住哪里，肯定是seattle, bellevue downtown了。
【在 r**********g 的大作中提到】
: 第一：Tent City必然不好，否则直接邀请常住就好了嘛，为什么限制12-18个月不准回
: 到原地？
: 第二：既然是不好的，要大家牺牲点帮助他们，那么就要公平，你比别的城市宽松就是
: 欢迎他们，我倒是代表贝勒府谢谢您了。
: 最后送你一个视频
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r**********g
发帖数: 22734 | 16 是吗？看看petition写的是啥。不给活路？立个靶子来攻击有意思？ |
r**********g
发帖数: 22734 | 17 车轱辘话有意思吗？反对的不就是放宽限制？你连petition都不看就来咋唬是什么情况？ |
m*******n
发帖数: 5103 | 18 我可能用词不当，对不起。但大家保持个良好太度，不用出言讥讽说什么立靶子什么的
，好不好？
和气点，悠着点，好不好？
【在 r**********g 的大作中提到】
: 是吗？看看petition写的是啥。不给活路？立个靶子来攻击有意思？
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r**********g
发帖数: 22734 | 19 你这是态度问题。上来咋呼前先看看谈的是啥，好不？
【在 m*******n 的大作中提到】
: 我可能用词不当，对不起。但大家保持个良好太度，不用出言讥讽说什么立靶子什么的
: ，好不好？
: 和气点，悠着点，好不好？
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r**********g
发帖数: 22734 | 20 贝勒府叫严，色迷迷叫宽，需要判断个球。贝勒府六十天，色迷迷有人提议要一百二十
天。
你还是早点歇了吧。
了。
【在 m*******n 的大作中提到】
: 我可能用词不当，对不起。但大家保持个良好太度，不用出言讥讽说什么立靶子什么的
: ，好不好？
: 和气点，悠着点，好不好？
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r**********g
发帖数: 22734 | 21 好的。我给了数据你自己看。什么叫宽什么叫严。Bellevue的Ordinance在网上都有，
没有调查没有发言权。
请吧。
【在 m*******n 的大作中提到】
: 我可能用词不当，对不起。但大家保持个良好太度，不用出言讥讽说什么立靶子什么的
: ，好不好？
: 和气点，悠着点，好不好？
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m*******n
发帖数: 5103 | 22 我全删了，甘我毛关系？呵呵。看来是个很敏感的问题，这楼里的人火气挺大的，酸奶
被动到了？不知道。 |
r**********g
发帖数: 22734 | 23 跟我也没关系。但是人说话要靠谱，正反观点都可以，就是不能胡扯。
【在 m*******n 的大作中提到】
: 我全删了，甘我毛关系？呵呵。看来是个很敏感的问题，这楼里的人火气挺大的，酸奶
: 被动到了？不知道。
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m*******n
发帖数: 5103 | 24 你要诬我胡扯，我又要开始打字了，是不是？何必？我闭嘴了你也就闭嘴，行不行？要
不然真是树欲静而风不止？
【在 r**********g 的大作中提到】
: 跟我也没关系。但是人说话要靠谱，正反观点都可以，就是不能胡扯。
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r**********g
发帖数: 22734 | 25 我这个人好抬杠。必须你先停。或者给我5个包子。
【在 m*******n 的大作中提到】
: 你要诬我胡扯，我又要开始打字了，是不是？何必？我闭嘴了你也就闭嘴，行不行？要
: 不然真是树欲静而风不止？
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m*******n
发帖数: 5103 | 26 什么都好说，你要扯包子那我就非抢最后一帖。
【在 r**********g 的大作中提到】
: 我这个人好抬杠。必须你先停。或者给我5个包子。
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r**********g
发帖数: 22734 | 27 继续，哥跟你耗上了
【在 m*******n 的大作中提到】
: 什么都好说，你要扯包子那我就非抢最后一帖。
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b**a
发帖数: 1118 | 28 Let me guess, you do not live in Sammamish.
【在 m*******n 的大作中提到】
: 我可能用词不当，对不起。但大家保持个良好太度，不用出言讥讽说什么立靶子什么的
: ，好不好？
: 和气点，悠着点，好不好？
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b********7
发帖数: 12906 | 29 这还用guess吗？
【在 b**a 的大作中提到】
: Let me guess, you do not live in Sammamish.
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I********e
发帖数: 6130 | 30 I posted this in my neighborhood's facebook group. So far about 30 people
have read it (out of ~150 people in the group) and only 2 people responded (
they both signed the petition) whereas I've seen much more positive reaction
from this BBS board. I am sure the percentage of voters in the FB group is
lot higher than on this board which makes me sad about my neighborhood.
【在 f********m 的大作中提到】
: 问题现在投票权在谁手里？确实是制度问题，制度是谁制定的？想起那个有名的改变制
: 度减少海运黑奴死亡率的故事了。
: 逼到家门口了，才能让华人关心政治多生娃。。。
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R*******z
发帖数: 44 | |
c********n
发帖数: 2166 | 32 在互相认识的群里发言要照顾形象，支持tent city的占了道德高位，人们不敢在别人
面前表露自己没道德，所以你的邻居们不愿公开支持你。
在BBS彼此不认识，人人都可以撕下伪善面具， 啥都可以喷。
(
reaction
is
【在 I********e 的大作中提到】
: I posted this in my neighborhood's facebook group. So far about 30 people
: have read it (out of ~150 people in the group) and only 2 people responded (
: they both signed the petition) whereas I've seen much more positive reaction
: from this BBS board. I am sure the percentage of voters in the FB group is
: lot higher than on this board which makes me sad about my neighborhood.
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I********e
发帖数: 6130 | 33 Actually I don't know any of them :P I get the feeling my neighbors in
general are just interested in their own little worlds (based on posts I've
seen so far) - as long as our little neighborhood isn't affected by it they
are fine.... I really hope I am wrong...
【在 c********n 的大作中提到】
: 在互相认识的群里发言要照顾形象，支持tent city的占了道德高位，人们不敢在别人
: 面前表露自己没道德，所以你的邻居们不愿公开支持你。
: 在BBS彼此不认识，人人都可以撕下伪善面具， 啥都可以喷。
:
: (
: reaction
: is
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H*****e
发帖数: 192 | 34 就是90天就有那么多吸毒，贩毒，甚至强奸的案件，现在市政厅的官员们还要延长到
120天，还要放松管理，这不是自己招豺狼吗？
坚决要求市政厅更改现在的条款加强管理！
others.
the
【在 k****i 的大作中提到】
: I know some of school kids will do Tent City 工作 in summer. Their parents
: are friendly and open mind to teach kids what they should do to help others.
: The risk of safety is manageable to most of Sammamish family. I believe the
: risk is not more than you walk to downtown Seattle at summer night. :) I
: meant let those people have a place to stay will be better than let them
: walk around on street which you and I will go.
: Tent City is only 90 days in Sammamish. I guess I am ok with that.
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