s******v
发帖数: 4495 | 1 【 以下文字转载自 Seattle 讨论区 】
发信人: superdmv (你想咋的), 信区: Seattle
标 题: 说句实话，我对MS's SB的愚蠢是估计不足
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Apr 1 01:06:41 2011, 美东)
几年前，MS给使用BING购物的用户cash，尽管很crazy，但是结果还是不错。bing的
market
share上了一个台阶。
现在mobile计算如此红火，我们看看MS在做啥。
1. 好不容易把NOK骗上了船，可是要收NOK license fee!!! 又怕NOK不干，就先pay
NOK
1B+，等于NOK前面10M的手机不交费。我靠，这个是他妈的apartment manager干的事。
给你
1个月free rent，等于到期后期自动涨价。大家都知道，MS怕这次free，以后没法从其
他厂商
要license了
2. 告HTC, MOTO, NOOK，这些Andorid终端厂商，还说什么，Android不是free的，因为你
们没有考虑到我们告你们的费用？！你为啥不搞Google？！这些都是你未来可能的客户
啊。手机厂
商不愿意和Intel/MS合作的一个原因就是，PC时代Wintel实在是太霸道。你现在这么做
，是不
是嫌自己死的慢啊？
我们看看Google/apple，都在拼命夸大自己的customer base，ecosystem，增加
service。例如这个mobile payment，如果加上location, advertisement, search,
如果再加上对客户购物习惯的data mining, profiling, 简直就是无敌。
有一天，当你走进best buy, 你的手机会detect到你走进了best buy，知道你是nerd，
会买
2000快的电脑，买鞋不超过30，知道你有个小孩，因为买过5岁男孩的衣服；还知道你
刚刚买了
iPad X，现在popup出来一个coupon，现在bestbuy有一个小孩的教育软件best seller
，
30% off, 你买不买？
到那时候，google和apple想怎么赚钱就怎么赚钱，想赚多少钱就赚多少钱！！而MS还
在计算如
何从自己的partner手里去榨取10快 license fee.
明显MS的头脑还停留在收取license的PC时代. 而且好像没有认清自己是落后！应该象
当年Bing
那样，做一个WP手机，就给vender 10块！
真的难以相信，就在15年前，同样一家公司的推出的产品，会让消费者熬夜排队。现在
却只能靠这
种下三滥的手段。 | w*********m
发帖数: 4740 | 2 没关系，流水的营盘铁打的兵
营盘垮了咱兵换一个就得
【在 s******v 的大作中提到】
: 【 以下文字转载自 Seattle 讨论区 】
: 发信人: superdmv (你想咋的), 信区: Seattle
: 标 题: 说句实话，我对MS's SB的愚蠢是估计不足
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Apr 1 01:06:41 2011, 美东)
: 几年前，MS给使用BING购物的用户cash，尽管很crazy，但是结果还是不错。bing的
: market
: share上了一个台阶。
: 现在mobile计算如此红火，我们看看MS在做啥。
: 1. 好不容易把NOK骗上了船，可是要收NOK license fee!!! 又怕NOK不干，就先pay
: NOK
| g*********s
发帖数: 1782 | 3 老兵如果只想做普通一兵，迟早被年轻力壮的新兵踢出营盘。
【在 w*********m 的大作中提到】
: 没关系，流水的营盘铁打的兵
: 营盘垮了咱兵换一个就得
| z***d
发帖数: 350 | 4 nod nod，最郁闷的是我这样的铁杆.net fan，看人折腾iphone app的大把捞钱，流口
水啊，windows phone的app hub也要收99刀年费，可我都怀疑做windows phone开发的
要多久能收回这个成本，实在很打击大家都积极性。 | P**********c
发帖数: 3417 | 5 I believe license fee is the way to go. Free operating system doesn't go
very far. There is no living proof that it can be easily monetized. Yes it
can make Bing as the default search engine and collect advertisement revenue from that etc, but most likely the consumer would still have other choices and they don't necessarily use the default. MS and Google are not the same with Apple because Apple has the whole product and it can organize the cost structure internally.
As for your example, I believe even for now, a site like Amazon has all that
kind of data in hand already and more, better because Amazon itself owns the right products to recommend and sell and earn money for itself, not relying on some third party retailer like Best Buy. But has amazon grown past MS? Nope. Your example doesn't even provide any advantage to Amazon and companies would have to divide the money earned in your case.
As an engineer, I believe google is now the right place to go to because it
has overall the better pay, but company future wise, it is really difficult to say at this point.
【在 s******v 的大作中提到】
: 【 以下文字转载自 Seattle 讨论区 】
: 发信人: superdmv (你想咋的), 信区: Seattle
: 标 题: 说句实话，我对MS's SB的愚蠢是估计不足
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Apr 1 01:06:41 2011, 美东)
: 几年前，MS给使用BING购物的用户cash，尽管很crazy，但是结果还是不错。bing的
: market
: share上了一个台阶。
: 现在mobile计算如此红火，我们看看MS在做啥。
: 1. 好不容易把NOK骗上了船，可是要收NOK license fee!!! 又怕NOK不干，就先pay
: NOK
| s******v
发帖数: 4495 | 6 啊！我靠，做windows phone app还有叫年费？！SB的愚蠢再次震惊了我！
【在 z***d 的大作中提到】
: nod nod，最郁闷的是我这样的铁杆.net fan，看人折腾iphone app的大把捞钱，流口
: 水啊，windows phone的app hub也要收99刀年费，可我都怀疑做windows phone开发的
: 要多久能收回这个成本，实在很打击大家都积极性。
| s******v
发帖数: 4495 | 7 你再仔细读读我的post，没有那么难理解的。
doesn't go
Yes it
revenue from that etc, but most likely the consumer would still have
other choices and they don't necessarily use the default. MS and
Google are not the same with Apple because Apple has the whole product
and it can organize the cost structure internally.
all that
owns the right products to recommend and sell and earn money for
itself, not relying on some third party retailer like Best Buy. But
has amazon grown past MS? Nope. Your example doesn't even provide any
advantage to Amazon and companies would have to divide the money
earned in your case.
because it
difficult to say at this point.
【在 P**********c 的大作中提到】
: I believe license fee is the way to go. Free operating system doesn't go
: very far. There is no living proof that it can be easily monetized. Yes it
: can make Bing as the default search engine and collect advertisement revenue from that etc, but most likely the consumer would still have other choices and they don't necessarily use the default. MS and Google are not the same with Apple because Apple has the whole product and it can organize the cost structure internally.
: As for your example, I believe even for now, a site like Amazon has all that
: kind of data in hand already and more, better because Amazon itself owns the right products to recommend and sell and earn money for itself, not relying on some third party retailer like Best Buy. But has amazon grown past MS? Nope. Your example doesn't even provide any advantage to Amazon and companies would have to divide the money earned in your case.
: As an engineer, I believe google is now the right place to go to because it
: has overall the better pay, but company future wise, it is really difficult to say at this point.
| z***d
发帖数: 350 | 8 要在app hub上卖就要交年费的，这个apple 的app store也是要收的。
不过人apple的market多大，windows phone要免收第一年年费还差不多
【在 s******v 的大作中提到】
: 啊！我靠，做windows phone app还有叫年费？！SB的愚蠢再次震惊了我！
| s******v
发帖数: 4495 | 9 对啊，msft应该给你们钱，头3个app，每个发100. msft到底知道不知道自己的market
share
啊。
【在 z***d 的大作中提到】
: 要在app hub上卖就要交年费的，这个apple 的app store也是要收的。
: 不过人apple的market多大，windows phone要免收第一年年费还差不多
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