M********8
发帖数: 3837 | 1 http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=26&
我摘录两段跟我们比较有贴身关系的
“Yet statistics suggest that students from one of the most academically
successful ethnic groups, East Asians, are being admitted to US universities
at surprisingly low rates. Although they comprise less than 4 per cent of
the US population as a whole, East Asians make up 24 per cent of students at
elite universities. But they would probably comprise an even larger share
if some were not being kept out by seemingly lopsided admissions
requirements.
Universities deny that they have quotas to keep East Asian students out.
Statistics show, however, that only one in 15 East Asian applicants is
admitted to Ivy League universities, compared with one of every 10
applicants of other racial groups.
Thomas Espenshade, a professor of sociology at Princeton University,
calculated that East Asians needed perfect scores of 1,600 on the principal
university entrance examination, the SAT Reasoning Test, to have the same
chance of being accepted at a top private university as whites who scored 1,
460 and blacks who scored 1,150. He found that whites were three times,
blacks five times and Hispanics twice as likely to be accepted at a US
university as East Asians.”
“As in Texas, public university admissions policies in California have been
affected by politics and court rulings. In 1996, California voters banned
the use of affirmative-action policies by public agencies, including
universities, and that ban was upheld by a court as recently as December. (
Voters have adopted similar bans on racial preferences in Arizona, Michigan,
Nebraska and Washington State.) Without such racial filters, the percentage
of East Asian students at the University of California at Irvine shot up to
61 per cent, Berkeley 42 per cent and University of California, Los Angeles
38 per cent, in a state where East Asians comprise just 13 per cent of the
population.
This indicates that universities in other states are handicapping East Asian
applicants, Hsu says.
"It's all hush-hush, but it's pretty clear from the data," he alleges. "You
get some schools that don't disclose they're doing it. They just all sort of
magically end up with under 20 per cent Asian students."
Hsu says universities do this partly to ensure diversity that might be
crowded out by large numbers of East Asians, and partly to avoid alienating
their alumni.
"The motivation for, say, Harvard (whose undergraduate population is 16 per
cent East Asian) wanting to cap its Asian admissions is that they may lose
some alumni support, if they have some rich alumni whose kids might not want
to work too hard (to compete with the East Asian students)."” |
M********8
发帖数: 3837 | 2 其中这段说明了为什么虎妈对于我们亚裔的孩子不是一个正面的代表
The debate has at its heart the received idea that East Asians work harder
or are innately smarter than non-Asians - or, as Hsu puts it, "a pushy group
of people making life too hard" - just as Jews were once portrayed.
But while "it's certainly a stereotype, it might have some statistical basis
", Hsu says. "You're talking about a recent immigrant population. It
probably was true that the average Jewish kid admitted to the Ivy League in
the early 1900s worked harder than other kids."
Today, he adds, "it's a not-so-well-kept secret in the Asian community that
you have to work that much harder when you're Asian." |
d**n
发帖数: 3172 | 3 为什么呢？ 再说虎妈就一本个人回忆录，卖钱。而且很多人曲解她的本意。亚裔被歧
视是肯定的，白人也有非我族类，其心必异。 |
M*****R
发帖数: 650 | 4 I guess working too hard, or being too smart, is politically
incorrect. It's particularly against the interest of
the entitlement group.
harder
group
basis
in
that
【在 M********8 的大作中提到】
: 其中这段说明了为什么虎妈对于我们亚裔的孩子不是一个正面的代表
: The debate has at its heart the received idea that East Asians work harder
: or are innately smarter than non-Asians - or, as Hsu puts it, "a pushy group
: of people making life too hard" - just as Jews were once portrayed.
: But while "it's certainly a stereotype, it might have some statistical basis
: ", Hsu says. "You're talking about a recent immigrant population. It
: probably was true that the average Jewish kid admitted to the Ivy League in
: the early 1900s worked harder than other kids."
: Today, he adds, "it's a not-so-well-kept secret in the Asian community that
: you have to work that much harder when you're Asian."
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b*******r
发帖数: 6655 | 5 如果美国高校完全按照分数线录取，这些统计具有最强的说服力，
可惜谁都知道SAT仅仅是一个因素，对于ivy league甚至不是一个主要因素 |
s*******e
发帖数: 4188 | 6 统计数据只能反映可以量化的规律，但是admission criteria不能全部量化。 |
M********8
发帖数: 3837 | 7 既然知道SAT, 以及所有量化的不是唯一的标准，而且还不是一个主要的标准，干吗亚
裔找学区就斤斤计较那点API？还有神经病家长为了从930 API的小学去980 API的小学
搬家？ |
M********8
发帖数: 3837 | 8 不能量化就是增加黑箱作业。
【在 s*******e 的大作中提到】
: 统计数据只能反映可以量化的规律，但是admission criteria不能全部量化。
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i**p
发帖数: 940 | 9 exactly. 这些玩艺以前是对付犹太人的。
【在 M********8 的大作中提到】
: 不能量化就是增加黑箱作业。
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s*******e
发帖数: 4188 | 10 那也没办法，公校私校录取，政府私企招人，都是human decision。
美国大学录取的process，很多都有学生参与。亚裔学生入校后，也应积极参加这些
process，虽然不用偏袒亚裔申请人，但至少可以维护这个process的公正性。
【在 M********8 的大作中提到】
: 不能量化就是增加黑箱作业。
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s*******e
发帖数: 4188 | 11 that's exactly the problem.
很多亚裔家长过于重视可以量化的标准，这一方面让小孩SAT考高分，钢琴n级，GPA 4+
，另一方面又从量化标准来判断，觉得录取不公。
【在 M********8 的大作中提到】
: 既然知道SAT, 以及所有量化的不是唯一的标准，而且还不是一个主要的标准，干吗亚
: 裔找学区就斤斤计较那点API？还有神经病家长为了从930 API的小学去980 API的小学
: 搬家？
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c****a
发帖数: 546 | 12 说实在的，东亚裔移民被种族歧视政策逼得不得不work harder and harder
来获得升学的机会。
我觉得种族歧视政策万恶之源。如果想念大学的学生都能舒舒服服地去到
想去的大学，谁还那么活受罪呢？
你看台湾，大学学额严重过剩。高考平均每门不及格都能上大学（新闻说
平均不到10分得都能拿到几份录取）。除非要上台大之类的，谁还费那劲儿
死拼？？ |
M********8
发帖数: 3837 | 13 最可怕的是，这种种族歧视是隐形的，都隐藏在一些“非量性”的标准下面。
【在 c****a 的大作中提到】
: 说实在的，东亚裔移民被种族歧视政策逼得不得不work harder and harder
: 来获得升学的机会。
: 我觉得种族歧视政策万恶之源。如果想念大学的学生都能舒舒服服地去到
: 想去的大学，谁还那么活受罪呢？
: 你看台湾，大学学额严重过剩。高考平均每门不及格都能上大学（新闻说
: 平均不到10分得都能拿到几份录取）。除非要上台大之类的，谁还费那劲儿
: 死拼？？
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e**o
发帖数: 5509 | 14 另一方面也好吧。
其实从小到大，很多学习不好的都是父母有能力的，能拼爹的。
学习好的都是不能拼爹的，最后的发展来说还是学习好的好些吧。
虽然那些能拼爹的过的很舒服，安逸。
【在 M********8 的大作中提到】
: 最可怕的是，这种种族歧视是隐形的，都隐藏在一些“非量性”的标准下面。
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M*******c
发帖数: 4371 | 15 I agree with you too.
Most people could not tell the difference between cause and effect.
Or people just use whatever convenient evidence to justify AA -- which is
exactly the cause.
【在 c****a 的大作中提到】
: 说实在的，东亚裔移民被种族歧视政策逼得不得不work harder and harder
: 来获得升学的机会。
: 我觉得种族歧视政策万恶之源。如果想念大学的学生都能舒舒服服地去到
: 想去的大学，谁还那么活受罪呢？
: 你看台湾，大学学额严重过剩。高考平均每门不及格都能上大学（新闻说
: 平均不到10分得都能拿到几份录取）。除非要上台大之类的，谁还费那劲儿
: 死拼？？
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x***m
发帖数: 1733 | 16 is indian counted as east asian?
universities
at
【在 M********8 的大作中提到】
: http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=26&
: 我摘录两段跟我们比较有贴身关系的
: “Yet statistics suggest that students from one of the most academically
: successful ethnic groups, East Asians, are being admitted to US universities
: at surprisingly low rates. Although they comprise less than 4 per cent of
: the US population as a whole, East Asians make up 24 per cent of students at
: elite universities. But they would probably comprise an even larger share
: if some were not being kept out by seemingly lopsided admissions
: requirements.
: Universities deny that they have quotas to keep East Asian students out.
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