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H*********r
发帖数: 210
1
堅決要求林博道歉
Demanding Rush Limbaugh Apologize
尊敬的各大媒體、企業、團體及各界人士:
如果大家不願意看到包括華裔的少數族裔在美國受到污辱,要求維持人的尊嚴;尤
其是華人不願被人指著背脊說一盤散沙,歡迎採取聯合行動。
1.請把此中英文電郵全文,或者堅決要求林博道歉
Demanding Rush Limbaugh Apologize
電郵至:E-mail:e******[email protected]
2.E-mail:d*******[email protected],加入「堅決要求林博道歉聯盟」,請林博為他污
辱華人的言論公開道歉。
3.上網發表意見,請點擊──
http://www.cashfa.org/?q=Insist_on_Limbaugh_to_Apologize
據「灣區城市新聞社19日電」報導, 知名脫口秀主持人林博(Rush Limbaugh)周三
在他節目中嘲弄中國國家主席胡錦濤。代表舊金山的民主籍州參議員余胤良( Leland
Yee)得知後,立刻要求林博為他失的「失格行為」( classsless act)向華人社區道歉。
林博在節目中抱怨fox新聞電台在播放胡錦濤演講片段時,有段話漏譯,結果長達
18秒鐘只聽到胡主席講中文。林博說:「……我們只聽到胡錦濤 chin chong, chin
chong cha……(chin chong是早期美國人開玩笑模仿中國移民說中文但無實際意義的詞
。現被視為嘲笑華人和亞裔口音,並有侮辱性的貶義詞)」,接著林博又謾罵了35秒。
兼任加州參議會亞太裔事務委員會主席余胤良表示,林博的言論既可悲又偏執,「
這是在污辱三千多年的文化歷史,等於是在向美國奮鬥的數以百計華人打耳光。他的言
論貶低華人社區的貢獻。林博先生因為他毫無意義、醜陋的冒犯行為(pointless and
ugly offense)欠華人社區一個道歉。
林博污辱華人的言論很快引起引起很多華裔民選官員的斥責和要求道歉。華人社區
也迅速作出反應,要求林博道歉
林博卻於20日在他的電台節目上反擊余胤良,並指責余胤良在加州州議會提出種
種保護亞裔的法案。
林博是知名的公眾人物,他利用他的名氣和電台節目公然污辱華人,他把污辱性的
言詞當作言論自由,而言論自由是美國民主重要的標之一,這就是林博的民主和人權嗎?
林博還攻擊余胤良議員提出種種保護亞裔的法案。──有林博所謂的「種種保亞裔
的法案」,林博還敢公然污辱華人,如果沒有一些保護法案,包括華人的亞裔還不知會
受多少各種各樣的岐視和污辱!──難道林博要弱勢的亞裔沒有一點保護而任林博污辱
嗎?
請包括共和黨和民主黨的美國社會各界評一評:林博如此的污辱少數族裔和狂妄態
度對不對?他這樣是不是在開民主和人權的倒車?他是否應該向包括華人的美國和中國
人民道歉?
從林博目前的態度來看,要他道歉不是一件容易的事。所以我們要組成「堅決要求
林博道歉聯盟」,維護包括華人的所有人的尊嚴和人權。我們希望林博迷途知返,為他
污辱華人向包括他的聽眾和華人的廣大民眾道歉,為美國人民作出正面的示範。
我們的工作將是:向各大媒體,各民選官員、各大公司(尤其是林博節目贊助的公
司)、包括民主黨和共和黨的各個政黨、各個社團及各界人士發出呼籲,要求林博道歉。
歡迎一切不願讓包括華人的少數裔再受污辱的團體、企業、個人參加。參加者不分
先後、不設發起單位,一律中文按筆劃、英文按字母順序排列。
歡迎參加者提出建議,參加義工的隊伍,協助發電郵、聯絡等工作。
和我們絡,E-mail:d*******[email protected]
上網發表意見請點擊:
http://www.cashfa.org/?q=Insist_on_Limbaugh_to_Apologize
「堅決要求林博道歉聯盟」敬啟
Limbaugh owes the Chinese community an apology
for his pointless, ugly and offensive behavior
Respected major media, businesses, groups and friends:
If you don’t want to see ethnic minorities in the United States, including
the Chinese, being discriminated; and you demand the maintenance of human
dignity, welcome to the "Insist on Limbaugh to Apologize Union", demanding
Limbaugh to make his public apology for his insulting words to the Chinese.
As reported by: "The Bay Area City News Agency, dated Jan.19, 2010", the
well-known radio talk show host, Rush Limbaugh on his Wednesday show
ridiculed Chinese President Hu Jintao. After getting to know this,
Democratic State Senator Leland Lee, who represents San Francisco,
immediately called for Limbaugh to apologize to the Chinese community for
his classless act.
Limbaugh complained that Fox News radio program missed some translation
during its broadcasting of Hu Jintao's speech, resulting in him only hearing
President Hu Jintao speak Chinese for up to 18 seconds. Limbaugh said: "...
we only hear Hu Jintao ching chong, ching chong cha ... ...” (Ching chong
is a phrase Americans use to make fun by imitating early Chinese immigrants,
but there is no practical meaning in the word. Now the word is interpreted
as an insulting word to ridicule Chinese and Asians with accents). Limbaugh
continued his abusive words for 35 seconds.
State Senator Leland Yee of San Francisco, who also serves as Chairman of
the Asian and Pacific Islander Legislative Caucus, said Limbaugh's remarks
are both sad and paranoid. "This is an insult to three thousand years of
cultural history. This is like slapping hundreds of Chinese who are striving
to succeed here in the U.S. His remarks belittle the contribution of the
Chinese community. Limbaugh owes the Chinese community an apology for his
pointless, ugly and offensive behavior”.
Limbaugh’s insulting words to the Chinese community quickly caused many
Chinese elected representatives and officials to demand an apology from
Limbaugh. The Chinese community also responded quickly, demanding Limbaugh
apology.
Limbaugh, on the 20th of January, in his radio program fought back Leland
Yee, accusing Leland Yee of proposing various bills to protect Asians in the
California State Assembly.
Limbaugh is a well-known public figure, and he used his fame and radio
program to insult the Chinese publicly. He treated his insulting words as
freedom of speech. While freedom of speech is an important landmark in
American democracy, is this Limbaugh’s version of democracy and human
rights?
Limbaugh also attacked Mr. Yee for proposing various bills to protect Asians
, stating that he is proposing: “all sorts of Asian protection Bills”, so
called by Limbaugh. Limbaugh still dared to openly insult the Chinese
community. “Without these protection bills, we don’t know how the Asian
community, including the Chinese, will endure how many and what kinds of
discrimination and insults! Does Limbaugh want the Asian minority community
having no protection at all, and continue being insulted by Limbaugh?
All groups of American society, both Republican and Democratic - please do a
community assessment: Is it right for Limbaugh to invoke such insults
towards ethnic minorities and allow his arrogant attitude toward this issue?
Is he revering the intent of democracy and human rights? Should he not
apologize to the American people, including the Chinese community and to the
people in China?
From Limbaugh’s current attitude, demanding him to apologize will not be an
easy task. Therefore, we must form the “Insist on Limbaugh to Apologize
Union” to safeguard the dignity and human rights of all people, including
the Chinese. We hope that Limbaugh will recognize his wrong-doing and
mistake, and apologize for his insulting words aim at Chinese people, to the
public, including his audience, as well as the Chinese community, and make
a positive demonstration to the American people.
Our work will be to appeal to the major media, all elected officials, large
companies (especially the companies sponsoring Limbaugh’s programs), and
political parties including both the Democratic and Republican, and to
various organizations and communities, demanding Limbaugh’s apology.
Welcome to all groups, enterprises, and individuals who would like to see
that ethnic minorities, including Chinese people, are not being insulted, to
join us.
Chinese participates will be listed in the order of Chinese character stroke
and English participants will be listed in alphabetical order.
We welcome proposals and volunteers from any participant.
E-mail: d*******[email protected]
Internet comments:http://www.cashfa.org/?q=Insist_on_Limbaugh_to_Apologize
H*********r
发帖数: 210
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Please join us in demanding Rush Limbaugh the jerk to apologize. Please do
this for yourself, for your fellow Chinese, and for the future of your
children. Also, I will consider this a personal favor.
For those who don't know what "Ching Chong" means, here it is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ching_chong
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ching_chong#Controversies
On a separate note, an eatery in Tucson, Arizona had to cancel its plans to
offer lion tacos after receiving angry protests, including death threats:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20029791-504083.html
I firmly believe, the Chinese community, along with its language and
traditions, deserve far more respect than African lions. In a country where
it is not so, it's time to stand up and make things right.
y****t
发帖数: 10233
3
能不能顺道让saturday night live也道歉一下?
http://dailybail.com/home/snl-presidential-mockery-hu-jintao-as

【在 H*********r 的大作中提到】
: 堅決要求林博道歉
: Demanding Rush Limbaugh Apologize
: 尊敬的各大媒體、企業、團體及各界人士:
: 如果大家不願意看到包括華裔的少數族裔在美國受到污辱,要求維持人的尊嚴;尤
: 其是華人不願被人指著背脊說一盤散沙,歡迎採取聯合行動。
: 1.請把此中英文電郵全文,或者堅決要求林博道歉
: Demanding Rush Limbaugh Apologize
: 電郵至:E-mail:e******[email protected]
: 2.E-mail:d*******[email protected],加入「堅決要求林博道歉聯盟」,請林博為他污
: 辱華人的言論公開道歉。

H*********r
发帖数: 210
4
如何行动,细则如下:
(A) Boycott ProFlowers and Sleep Train, who are key advertiser on Limbaugh's
show.
(B) Send protest emails with boycotting information, and keep doing so every
day (or at least a few times per week, whenever you have free time), until
Limbaugh apologizes:
To:
"Dan Metter at Premiere Radio (Limbaugh's advertising manager)" premiereradio.com>
CC:
"Rush Limbaugh"
"ProFlowers"
"Sleep Train"
(C) Print a copy of your protest email, and fax it to Limbaugh at 212-445-
3963. Keep doing this every day (or at least a few times per week, whenever
you have free time), until Limbaugh apologizes.
(D) Urge and encourage all your friends and family to do items (A), (B), and
(C), as frequently as possible.
信息来源 Sources of information:
(i) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ching_chong#Controversies
"Yee demanded an apology from Limbaugh for what he and others view as racist
and derogatory remarks. He also organized with civil rights groups—
including Chinese for Affirmative Action, Japanese American Citizens League
and the California National Organization for Women—to boycott companies
like ProFlowers, Sleep Train and Domino's Pizza that advertise on Limbaugh's
talk show."
(ii) http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/about_the_show.guest.html
This web page contains Dan Metter's email address and Limbaugh's fax number.
(iii) Email from Domino's Pizza (and why we do NOT want to boycott Domino's):
"We appreciate your concern and want you to know Domino's does not support
this show. For the first time ever, we purchased national radio to promote
our lunch business. We buy advertising on networks, not specific shows. We
are investigating the source of this information to determine how an ad ran
by mistake, but we can assure you that Domino's does not advertise on this
show.
Thank you.
Domino's Pizza"
H*********r
发帖数: 210
5
多谢支持. 说句实话,光一个Limbaugh就够我们忙的了. 我想,要先攻首恶,其他的慢慢
来. 打垮一个是一个.
再谢!

【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: 能不能顺道让saturday night live也道歉一下?
: http://dailybail.com/home/snl-presidential-mockery-hu-jintao-as

y****t
发帖数: 10233
6
SNL污蔑华人比limbaugh早的多,程度深的多,次数多的多.
你们Y当初都死哪里去了?

【在 H*********r 的大作中提到】
: 多谢支持. 说句实话,光一个Limbaugh就够我们忙的了. 我想,要先攻首恶,其他的慢慢
: 来. 打垮一个是一个.
: 再谢!

H*********r
发帖数: 210
7
你Y当初在哪里吃屎啊? 你别不识好歹.

【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: SNL污蔑华人比limbaugh早的多,程度深的多,次数多的多.
: 你们Y当初都死哪里去了?

y****t
发帖数: 10233
8
lol..
急了...
告诉你,我老人家就是个打酱油的.

【在 H*********r 的大作中提到】
: 你Y当初在哪里吃屎啊? 你别不识好歹.
y****t
发帖数: 10233
9
horn blower,
what a perfect name...
lol...

【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: SNL污蔑华人比limbaugh早的多,程度深的多,次数多的多.
: 你们Y当初都死哪里去了?

H*********r
发帖数: 210
10
大家在 LinkedIn, Facebook, Twitter 的各个帐号, 都可以用上了. 星星之火, 可以
燎原.
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S****s
发帖数: 235
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What about Limbaugh's First Amendment right?
H*********r
发帖数: 210
12
Good point, which is precisely why his action was legal (otherwise we would
have sued him already).
Still, even legal behavior may offend people, and the offended party
deserves an apology.
No offense, but here is an example. It is certainly my First Amendment
right (and thus, completely legal) to call you a long list of nasty names (
all the F words you can think of), and/or to compare your mother to all the
filthy female animals on the planet. (In reality, I swear I would never do
that.) In this hypothetical scenario though, had I done that, and deeply
offended and infuriated you, would you at least demand an apology? My point
precisely. Thanks.

【在 S****s 的大作中提到】
: What about Limbaugh's First Amendment right?
H*********r
发帖数: 210
13
请大家帮忙,把这一帖顶上十大. 谢谢!
俺先不说咱们这一辈的. 谁不希望自己的孩子将来能在这个国家享受自由和平等,而不
是遭遇偏见和歧视?!
就这一件力所能及的小事,不比成千上万的口水帖有意义?!
顶吧! 再谢!
R********n
发帖数: 3601
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老中就是这样。还没形成一致意见,就打起来了。

【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: SNL污蔑华人比limbaugh早的多,程度深的多,次数多的多.
: 你们Y当初都死哪里去了?

G****s
发帖数: 3523
15
FQ only cares about their face.
they never bothered when chinese were killed in oakland
y****t
发帖数: 10233
16
我告诉你什么是有意义的事.
当edwin lee被liberal chris daly四人帮搞的连三番代理市长都快当不成的时候,
这是要你们发声的时候.
当华裔edmund jew被liberal chris daly四人帮搞的下台,还要坐牢的时候,
这是要你们发声的时候.
再不济,当Jinghong Kang在oakland街头无辜被老黑暴头的时候.
这是要你们发声的时候.
你们Y的那些时候都死哪里去了?
现在liberal要打种族牌了,你们Y一个个都跳出来了,
有意义?
有意义个P!

【在 H*********r 的大作中提到】
: 请大家帮忙,把这一帖顶上十大. 谢谢!
: 俺先不说咱们这一辈的. 谁不希望自己的孩子将来能在这个国家享受自由和平等,而不
: 是遭遇偏见和歧视?!
: 就这一件力所能及的小事,不比成千上万的口水帖有意义?!
: 顶吧! 再谢!

w**********p
发帖数: 559
17
你这么愤慨,你做了什么?
人家想做什么有他自己选择的权利,你凭什么指手画脚啊?

【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: 我告诉你什么是有意义的事.
: 当edwin lee被liberal chris daly四人帮搞的连三番代理市长都快当不成的时候,
: 这是要你们发声的时候.
: 当华裔edmund jew被liberal chris daly四人帮搞的下台,还要坐牢的时候,
: 这是要你们发声的时候.
: 再不济,当Jinghong Kang在oakland街头无辜被老黑暴头的时候.
: 这是要你们发声的时候.
: 你们Y的那些时候都死哪里去了?
: 现在liberal要打种族牌了,你们Y一个个都跳出来了,
: 有意义?

s******2
发帖数: 96
18
每当我们需要一致对外的时候,总有人毫不犹豫地调转枪口。古往今来,从不例外。某
些中国人大概是改不了内斗的悠久传统了,但请窝里斗高手们学着挑选一下时机,尽量
在外战结束后再开练,您获得的乐趣是一样的,这应该不难吧。
S***l
发帖数: 320
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如果Rush Limbaugh会道歉,他也就不是Rush Limbaugh了。美国保守派的教父,连
Obama都常给他骂,指望他道歉就做梦去吧。
真有种的,就应该自己或者找人把Rush Limbaugh做了,发这种帖子有个鸟用啊?
y****t
发帖数: 10233
20
老子看透了.
老子不愿意再跟在diang后面当useful idiots了.
谁愿意当谁就去当,但你没法堵住我的嘴.

【在 w**********p 的大作中提到】
: 你这么愤慨,你做了什么?
: 人家想做什么有他自己选择的权利,你凭什么指手画脚啊?

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p**m
发帖数: 3876
21
ding, down with 林博
y****t
发帖数: 10233
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and keep f*cking us chinese, Saturday Night Live liberals.
lol...
The truth is not that you guys dont like to be f*cked, but f*cked by
liberals ONLY.

【在 p**m 的大作中提到】
: ding, down with 林博
H*********r
发帖数: 210
23
yourtt你Y, 我说几点.
1. 这件事情是民间自发,和中国政府无关. 你自己去看看林博用的那破词,骂的是在美
华裔,不是政府. 我们也都是业余志愿者,为华人争口气,不是专业搞运动的.
3. 过去有的事情我们没做,或者做得不到位,不等于说从今往后就什么事情都不用做了.
哪象你Y,阳萎一次,丢了套套,就自愿当了太监,起个网名还叫"你的套套". 大爷我告诉
你,就你这微软鸟样,惦记着别人的套套有他妈个屁用!
H*********r
发帖数: 210
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感谢各位朋友支持. 包子都已发出. 祝大家兔年幸福,快乐美满!
H*********r
发帖数: 210
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还有,多谢版主关照,感激不尽.
祝本版兔年吉祥,万事兴隆!
y****t
发帖数: 10233
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你不用对我人身攻击,
说句老实话,你们就是一张民主diang招之既来,挥之既去的种族牌.
以后,liberal再怎么耻笑歧视,政治斗争搞华人,你们一样屁都不敢放一个.

了.

【在 H*********r 的大作中提到】
: yourtt你Y, 我说几点.
: 1. 这件事情是民间自发,和中国政府无关. 你自己去看看林博用的那破词,骂的是在美
: 华裔,不是政府. 我们也都是业余志愿者,为华人争口气,不是专业搞运动的.
: 3. 过去有的事情我们没做,或者做得不到位,不等于说从今往后就什么事情都不用做了.
: 哪象你Y,阳萎一次,丢了套套,就自愿当了太监,起个网名还叫"你的套套". 大爷我告诉
: 你,就你这微软鸟样,惦记着别人的套套有他妈个屁用!

H*********r
发帖数: 210
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怎么,人身攻击什么时候成了你Y的专利啦?! 只许"套套"放火,不许大家点灯啊?
我们和"民主diang"无关,但你倒是和共和DANG保守派一条裤子穿得欢啊. 就因为这个上
这儿来捣乱? 你也忒不要脸了...
y****t
发帖数: 10233
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我骂你什么了?
lol
useful idiots?

【在 H*********r 的大作中提到】
: 怎么,人身攻击什么时候成了你Y的专利啦?! 只许"套套"放火,不许大家点灯啊?
: 我们和"民主diang"无关,但你倒是和共和DANG保守派一条裤子穿得欢啊. 就因为这个上
: 这儿来捣乱? 你也忒不要脸了...

y****t
发帖数: 10233
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你们这"民间组织"也太不专业了吧?
好歹也是宝山去常委接见过的.
我老人家才是真正网上打酱油的,有一句说一句.

【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: 我骂你什么了?
: lol
: useful idiots?

y****t
发帖数: 10233
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对了,你们有没有三个律师要告我呀.
我好怕怕哦...

【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: 你们这"民间组织"也太不专业了吧?
: 好歹也是宝山去常委接见过的.
: 我老人家才是真正网上打酱油的,有一句说一句.

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G****s
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a guy who never showed up in sf board wants to unite everybody and fight?
with nothing but your words? what's your name? Mr. Ma Jia?
show up what you got.
show us you care about bay area chinese, not just you dirty little political
secret.
show us you cared about the chinese killed in oakland just because he only
carried $17 cash.
otherwise, just shut up and leave.
o**o
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ching chong chang
H*********r
发帖数: 210
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yourtt,你认错人了. "宝山区常委"和"三个律师",都闻所未闻.
Grapes,做人做事凭良心,和本版资历无关. 我不泡坛,是因为不想再浪费时间. 君子坦
荡荡,信不信由你.
跟你们吵也没用. 志同道合的,可以一起做点事情. 志不同道不合的,大家各玩各的,都
节省点时间精力,行不?
祝各位兔年快乐,也包括yourtt,Grapes,oiio三个.
y****t
发帖数: 10233
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我叉,不要告诉我,你连你家主子是干什么的你都不知道.
http://www.cashfa.org/?q=20101020_news
应上海市宝山区侨联的邀请,成员包括戴铭康、查建渝、宋晓诚、盛敏磊、蒋见黎、戴
泾等一行的美中上海友好协会代表团於2010年10月20日前往访问和交流。受到宝山区常
委、区统战部部长、区政协副主席周德勋,宝山区统战部副部长、区台湾事务办公室主
任、区侨办主任黄忠华,宝山区侨联主席曹晋和、宝山区统战部的吴克海科长、侨联俞
华斌秘书长、侨办陈雷科长、宝山区大场镇王佩桦书记等热情接待。

【在 H*********r 的大作中提到】
: yourtt,你认错人了. "宝山区常委"和"三个律师",都闻所未闻.
: Grapes,做人做事凭良心,和本版资历无关. 我不泡坛,是因为不想再浪费时间. 君子坦
: 荡荡,信不信由你.
: 跟你们吵也没用. 志同道合的,可以一起做点事情. 志不同道不合的,大家各玩各的,都
: 节省点时间精力,行不?
: 祝各位兔年快乐,也包括yourtt,Grapes,oiio三个.

y****t
发帖数: 10233
35
你说你要搞政治秀,捞政治资本,其实也是件挺美好的事.
可是能不能下点功夫,干些对华人真正有意义的事情?
不比跟在种族牌党后面吹喇叭强?

【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: 我叉,不要告诉我,你连你家主子是干什么的你都不知道.
: http://www.cashfa.org/?q=20101020_news
: 应上海市宝山区侨联的邀请,成员包括戴铭康、查建渝、宋晓诚、盛敏磊、蒋见黎、戴
: 泾等一行的美中上海友好协会代表团於2010年10月20日前往访问和交流。受到宝山区常
: 委、区统战部部长、区政协副主席周德勋,宝山区统战部副部长、区台湾事务办公室主
: 任、区侨办主任黄忠华,宝山区侨联主席曹晋和、宝山区统战部的吴克海科长、侨联俞
: 华斌秘书长、侨办陈雷科长、宝山区大场镇王佩桦书记等热情接待。

H*********r
发帖数: 210
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祝大家兔年吉祥,心想事成!
P*O
发帖数: 4324
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俺不相信 Rush Limbaugh 有这闲工夫想着和华人作对.
H*********r
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请大家"LIKE"这个FACEBOOK页面, 并且广而告之:
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d**n
发帖数: 3172
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看完了这个串,想骂人。yourtt你这个煞笔整天在这搞来稿去有每有完啊?你他吗的这
个号称保守派真他吗是对保守派的侮辱啊。你整天举的那些个狗屁不通的例子,每人愿
根你计较,你以为你还真牛比了,是不是?
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