m******1
发帖数: 19713 | 1 Maryland Senate to Debate Marriage Bill
By Julie Bolcer
MARYLAND MARRIAGE WATCH X390 (SCOTT MCPHERSON/PHOTOS.COM) | ADVOCATE.COM
The Maryland Senate is expected to begin debate on the marriage equality
bill Thursday as opponents plan amendments intended to derail the
proposal
that narrowly passed the House of Delegates last week.
The Associated Press reports that Senate President Thomas V. Mike
Miller,
who postponed the debate from Wednesday upon request of Republican
leaders,
said that discussion could continue into Friday before a final vote is
taken
. A Senate panel advanced the measure in a 7-4 party line vote on
Tuesday.
The bill passed the House last Friday in a 72-67 vote, including
amendments
that would delay its effective date from October 2012 to January 2013
and
keep the law from taking effect until any litigation related to a
potential
referendum is processed. According to the AP, opponents of the bill
asked
Attorney General Doug Gansler for feedback on the constitutionality of
the
amendments, and his office sent letters that confirmed their soundness.
Any
changes in the Senate version would force the bill back to the House,
where
approval for a second time would not be guaranteed.
Reuters reports that opponents in the Senate are considering amendments
that
would change the effective date of the law back to October 2012 and
broaden
its religious liberty protections. Still, Senate leaders expect to pass
the
bill, which passed for the first time last year in a 25-21 bipartisan
vote.
Governor Martin O’Malley has vowed to sign the bill, but opponents plan
to
push for a referendum. According to Reuters, some 56,000 signatures
would be
needed to put the measure on the ballot this November, one-third of
which
would have to be submitted by May 31 and the remainder by June 30.
美国的马里兰州有望同性婚姻合法，参议院当地时间2月23日投票25-22通过了同性婚姻法案，法案
上周已由众议院通过，州长O'Malley本人是法案发起者，可能很快签署。法案定于2013年1月生
效，但反同性婚姻团体可能发起全民公投试图推翻法案。华盛顿州最近有类似状况。 |
D**S
发帖数: 24887 | 2 应该没有悬念吧
去年（还是前年）不是轻松通过的么． |
g********d
发帖数: 4174 | |
m******8
发帖数: 2153 | 4 Alright, that may sound rather horrific, but the Maryland State Senate has
now approved same-sex marriage. Once governor Martin O’Malley signs the law
, Maryland will be the eighth state to enact same-sex marriage. Attempts by
marriage bigots to kill the bill were defeated.
O’Malley thanked Senate President Mike Miller for his efforts to get the
bill passed saying “All children deserve the opportunity to live in a
loving, caring committed, and stable home, protected equally by the law.”
Marriage bigots now have to gather a minimum of 55,726 signatures to put
this on the ballot in November in order to veto this measure. Polls show
Marylanders are evenly split on the issue. Maryland follows Washington State
in approving same-sex marriage. Washington faces the same issues with a
referendum as Maryland.
New Jersey’s legislature passed same-sex marriage as well, but it was
vetoed by Governor Chris Christie.
Via MSNBC
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m******1
发帖数: 19713 | 5 确实是太恐怖了，这2月还没过完，就已经第三个州的议会通过同性婚姻了。
law
by
State
【在 m******8 的大作中提到】
: Alright, that may sound rather horrific, but the Maryland State Senate has
: now approved same-sex marriage. Once governor Martin O’Malley signs the law
: , Maryland will be the eighth state to enact same-sex marriage. Attempts by
: marriage bigots to kill the bill were defeated.
: O’Malley thanked Senate President Mike Miller for his efforts to get the
: bill passed saying “All children deserve the opportunity to live in a
: loving, caring committed, and stable home, protected equally by the law.”
: Marriage bigots now have to gather a minimum of 55,726 signatures to put
: this on the ballot in November in order to veto this measure. Polls show
: Marylanders are evenly split on the issue. Maryland follows Washington State
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Z****r
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f********g
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z**********2
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l**h
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D**S
发帖数: 24887 | 10 老实说，还真没想到过马里兰能在同婚议题上走在前列．一直以来，都觉得这个州也是广义的南方州，所以．．．．
鼓掌！ |
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m******1
发帖数: 19713 | 11 马里兰就是黑人多
【在 D**S 的大作中提到】
: 老实说，还真没想到过马里兰能在同婚议题上走在前列．一直以来，都觉得这个州也是广义的南方州，所以．．．．
: 鼓掌！
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D**S
发帖数: 24887 | 12 小声说下，这也是令人担心一旦公投的原因啊．
话说南北战争时期，马里兰虽然是蓄奴合法州，但是一直没有脱离联邦．类似的还有特
拉华，密苏里，肯塔基和另外一个什么州．
【在 m******1 的大作中提到】
: 马里兰就是黑人多
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g********d
发帖数: 4174 | 13 今年１１月ME，WA和MD有一个州公投能赢，就是胜利。
【在 D**S 的大作中提到】
: 小声说下，这也是令人担心一旦公投的原因啊．
: 话说南北战争时期，马里兰虽然是蓄奴合法州，但是一直没有脱离联邦．类似的还有特
: 拉华，密苏里，肯塔基和另外一个什么州．
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m******1
发帖数: 19713 | 14 True. But still, Maryland is not that conservative.
【在 D**S 的大作中提到】
: 小声说下，这也是令人担心一旦公投的原因啊．
: 话说南北战争时期，马里兰虽然是蓄奴合法州，但是一直没有脱离联邦．类似的还有特
: 拉华，密苏里，肯塔基和另外一个什么州．
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D**S
发帖数: 24887 | 15 Of course.
【在 m******1 的大作中提到】
: True. But still, Maryland is not that conservative.
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R****y
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r****a
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m***n
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c******d
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k*****e
发帖数: 22013 | 20 不了解，我印象中的马里兰就是DC附近的那一圈，感觉和DC差不多。哈哈
是广义的南方州，所以．．．．
【在 D**S 的大作中提到】
: 老实说，还真没想到过马里兰能在同婚议题上走在前列．一直以来，都觉得这个州也是广义的南方州，所以．．．．
: 鼓掌！
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D**S
发帖数: 24887 | 21 是围着DC的半圈，另外半圈是北弗吉尼亚（所谓的NOVA）．
【在 k*****e 的大作中提到】
: 不了解，我印象中的马里兰就是DC附近的那一圈，感觉和DC差不多。哈哈
:
: 是广义的南方州，所以．．．．
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e*******e
发帖数: 6165 | |
D**S
发帖数: 24887 | 23 现在希望NJ能通过公投解决这个事情．要是DE也能步后尘，新英格兰最好都解决掉也还
是有希望的．这样整个东北部到中大西洋地区除开宾西法尼亚和弗吉尼亚，就基本连片
了．
【在 e*******e 的大作中提到】
: 太好了！ 其他州赶紧的。
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k*****e
发帖数: 22013 | 24 什么时候 星星之火成燎原之势，烧到我们南方红脖州。
【在 D**S 的大作中提到】
: 现在希望NJ能通过公投解决这个事情．要是DE也能步后尘，新英格兰最好都解决掉也还
: 是有希望的．这样整个东北部到中大西洋地区除开宾西法尼亚和弗吉尼亚，就基本连片
: 了．
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D**S
发帖数: 24887 | 25 个人感觉春风难度处女之州啊．北面的都还希望的有．
【在 k*****e 的大作中提到】
: 什么时候 星星之火成燎原之势，烧到我们南方红脖州。
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m******8
发帖数: 2153 | |
m******8
发帖数: 2153 | 27 华盛顿州民调支持同性婚姻合法 50%顶vs.46%踩;
78% (46%支持同婚+32%支持同志伴侣）vs. 20% 反对
59% 共和党们也至少支持同志伴侣法
Plurality Of Washington Voters Support State's Gay Marriage Law
A plurality of Washington state voters would vote to keep the state's
recently approved gay marriage law.
Governor Chris Gregoire earlier this month signed into law a gay marriage
bill approved by lawmakers. Gay and lesbian couples may wed in the state
starting on June 7.
That is, provided opponents do not gather sufficient signatures to put the
law up for a vote. In which case marriage equality would be put on hold
pending the outcome of a November election.
Referendum 74 supporters insist the public will vote to end gay marriage in
the state. But in 2009, voters rejected an effort to repeal a domestic
partnership law dubbed “everything but marriage” which gave gay couples
all the protections of married heterosexual couples.
According to a Public Policy Polling survey of 1,264 Washington voters
released Wednesday, supporters of the marriage law outnumber opponents.
Fifty percent of voters say they'll vote to uphold the law, while 46 percent
say they would vote to repeal it.
A large majority of voters (78%) also support either marriage (46%) or civil
unions (32%) for gay couples. Only 20 percent of respondents said there
should be no legal recognition of a gay couple's relationship.
“Even 59% of Republicans at least support civil unions,” the survey's
authors noted in announcing their results. “That may bode well if there's a
repeal vote this fall – almost all voters in the state are at least
somewhat accepting of same-sex relationships.” |
m******8
发帖数: 2153 | 28 Keep religion out of government
I went to Gov. Chris Christie’s official website to write a note about gay
rights and was dismayed to not find a relevant topic selection under which
to submit my comments. Gay rights is central to any discussion about
equality today and deserves a place to comment.
For whom is Christie putting up a roadblock against gay equality? Clearly
not for those who seek the fairness and equality that are the cornerstones
of our Constitution. Being governor is a difficult job, but equality is not
a tough position to take.
In law school, students study the Constitution and learn about civil rights
and justice. The governor, a lawyer, took an oath to support and defend the
Constitution. He has every right to follow his private, personal religious
beliefs. But putting his private, personal beliefs above the duty he has to
all the people he governs is a violation of that oath.
Governor, religion belongs in your church with your god, not in the halls of
public governance, where the rules have been established by the people, for
the people. It appears you are using religion as a political tool. Shame on
you — you should know better.
Leslie Duval, West Orange
http://blog.nj.com/ledgerletters/2012/02/readers_share_views_on |
m******8
发帖数: 2153 | 29 NYC的同婚给市政婚姻处贡献10%的收入，同志被压抑的结婚意愿超强力呀。
Gay marriage has been good for the city’s bottom line.
Total revenue to the city’s marriage bureau jumped from $2.07 million from
August through December 2010, to $2.26 million in the same period last year,
after same-sex nuptials went into effect, according the City Clerk’s
Office.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/gay_nups_boo_city_bKXbmXbSmk |
m******8
发帖数: 2153 | 30 MD Sen. Allan Kittleman, the only Senate Republican to vote in favor of the
legislation, said he is proud of his decision and not concerned about
political consequences down the road.
"You don't worry about politics when you're dealing with the civil rights
issue of your generation," said Kittleman, R-Howard, the son of the late Sen
. Robert Kittleman, who was known for civil rights advocacy.
http://news.yahoo.com/gay-marriage-close-legal-maryland-2340064 |
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u*********1
发帖数: 2518 | 31 弱问下：
华盛顿，新泽西，马里兰，这一下子3个州都通过了？
不是说新泽西的州长是要反对的么？
另外还会有很多opponents要联署名反对的么？
,
taken
【在 m******1 的大作中提到】
: Maryland Senate to Debate Marriage Bill
: By Julie Bolcer
: MARYLAND MARRIAGE WATCH X390 (SCOTT MCPHERSON/PHOTOS.COM) | ADVOCATE.COM
: The Maryland Senate is expected to begin debate on the marriage equality
: bill Thursday as opponents plan amendments intended to derail the
: proposal
: that narrowly passed the House of Delegates last week.
: The Associated Press reports that Senate President Thomas V. Mike
: Miller,
: who postponed the debate from Wednesday upon request of Republican
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L*******e
发帖数: 2202 | 32 美国的马里兰州有望同性婚姻合法，参议院当地时间2月23日投票25-22通过了同性婚姻
法案，法案上周已由众议院通过，州长O'Malley本人是法案发起者，可能很快签署。法
案定于2013年1月生效，但反同性婚姻团体可能发起全民公投试图推翻法案。华盛顿州
最近有类似状况。
【在 u*********1 的大作中提到】
: 弱问下：
: 华盛顿，新泽西，马里兰，这一下子3个州都通过了？
: 不是说新泽西的州长是要反对的么？
: 另外还会有很多opponents要联署名反对的么？
:
: ,
: taken
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m******1
发帖数: 19713 | 33 是的，这3个州的议会都通过了，但是NJ的州长veto了。WA和MD的州长支持，opponents
联署名反对也没有用了，只能收集到几万的老百姓签名以后公投了。
【在 u*********1 的大作中提到】
: 弱问下：
: 华盛顿，新泽西，马里兰，这一下子3个州都通过了？
: 不是说新泽西的州长是要反对的么？
: 另外还会有很多opponents要联署名反对的么？
:
: ,
: taken
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m******u
发帖数: 372 | |
p****u
发帖数: 2596 | 35 ME 肯定会赢，WA 很有可能赢，MD很有可能输。
【在 g********d 的大作中提到】
: 今年１１月ME，WA和MD有一个州公投能赢，就是胜利。
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C*********a
发帖数: 3743 | |
y*e
发帖数: 9799 | 37 MD is a borderline state :)
是广义的南方州，所以．．．．
【在 D**S 的大作中提到】
: 老实说，还真没想到过马里兰能在同婚议题上走在前列．一直以来，都觉得这个州也是广义的南方州，所以．．．．
: 鼓掌！
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y*e
发帖数: 9799 | |
m******1
发帖数: 19713 | 39 议会已经通过了
【在 y*e 的大作中提到】
: 庆祝还过早~~~
: 现在还是努力争取阶段啊~~
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y*e
发帖数: 9799 | 40 Passed by the House of Delegates, so it's time to write to Senate to
persuade them to pass as well
【在 m******1 的大作中提到】
: 议会已经通过了
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m******1
发帖数: 19713 | 41 Senate passed it yesterday. Pls see the post on the 3rd floor.
【在 y*e 的大作中提到】
: Passed by the House of Delegates, so it's time to write to Senate to
: persuade them to pass as well
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o****g
发帖数: 657 | 42 对于居住在这些州当中的同性恋公民来说，还是有些太晚了，毕竟人生蜉蝣，如果全部
用来等待同侪施舍给自己平等的权利，是很浪费的一件事。
【在 m******1 的大作中提到】
: 确实是太恐怖了，这2月还没过完，就已经第三个州的议会通过同性婚姻了。
:
: law
: by
: State
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m******1
发帖数: 19713 | 43 同意。但是又有别的什么办法呢？
【在 o****g 的大作中提到】
: 对于居住在这些州当中的同性恋公民来说，还是有些太晚了，毕竟人生蜉蝣，如果全部
: 用来等待同侪施舍给自己平等的权利，是很浪费的一件事。
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a******c
发帖数: 291 | 44 马里兰的黑人都集中在Prince George Town，其实那里也算是黑人的富裕区，不像华盛
顿特区的东南部，乃是黑人贫民窟。但Prince George Town里选出的黑人民主党众议员
是反对同性婚姻的，这也是选民结构决定，我不同意但理解其原因。
目前马里兰的民调是50%支持同性婚姻，44%反映。假如考虑进3%的统计误差，选民公决
的结果应该会支持同性婚姻，但这是在未考虑到有关集团的公众游说投入。比如加州的
全民公决前，天主教会和摩门教会投入大量广告，影响到一定数量的选民。我认识的一
位中国同志朋友在某实验室做博士后，身边的其他中国博士后居然会相信教会所言的“
救救孩子”的所谓呼吁，实乃“有文凭，没文化”。
所以教会这回是否会在马里兰投入巨资做反对同性婚姻的广告，以及这种广告的效果如
何，我不得知。 |
k*****e
发帖数: 22013 | 45 孩子是中国父母的软肋。宣传支持同婚必须有针对性地宣传。
【在 a******c 的大作中提到】
: 马里兰的黑人都集中在Prince George Town，其实那里也算是黑人的富裕区，不像华盛
: 顿特区的东南部，乃是黑人贫民窟。但Prince George Town里选出的黑人民主党众议员
: 是反对同性婚姻的，这也是选民结构决定，我不同意但理解其原因。
: 目前马里兰的民调是50%支持同性婚姻，44%反映。假如考虑进3%的统计误差，选民公决
: 的结果应该会支持同性婚姻，但这是在未考虑到有关集团的公众游说投入。比如加州的
: 全民公决前，天主教会和摩门教会投入大量广告，影响到一定数量的选民。我认识的一
: 位中国同志朋友在某实验室做博士后，身边的其他中国博士后居然会相信教会所言的“
: 救救孩子”的所谓呼吁，实乃“有文凭，没文化”。
: 所以教会这回是否会在马里兰投入巨资做反对同性婚姻的广告，以及这种广告的效果如
: 何，我不得知。
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p****u
发帖数: 2596 | 46 你的poll数字不对。MD的poll基本是half 对half。 考虑到公投支持同婚 的向来低于
poll，我觉得MD基本上回输掉的。
【在 a******c 的大作中提到】
: 马里兰的黑人都集中在Prince George Town，其实那里也算是黑人的富裕区，不像华盛
: 顿特区的东南部，乃是黑人贫民窟。但Prince George Town里选出的黑人民主党众议员
: 是反对同性婚姻的，这也是选民结构决定，我不同意但理解其原因。
: 目前马里兰的民调是50%支持同性婚姻，44%反映。假如考虑进3%的统计误差，选民公决
: 的结果应该会支持同性婚姻，但这是在未考虑到有关集团的公众游说投入。比如加州的
: 全民公决前，天主教会和摩门教会投入大量广告，影响到一定数量的选民。我认识的一
: 位中国同志朋友在某实验室做博士后，身边的其他中国博士后居然会相信教会所言的“
: 救救孩子”的所谓呼吁，实乃“有文凭，没文化”。
: 所以教会这回是否会在马里兰投入巨资做反对同性婚姻的广告，以及这种广告的效果如
: 何，我不得知。
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m******1
发帖数: 19713 | 47 POLL的数字对不对我不知道，但是我也感觉MD会输，但是MAINE会赢
【在 p****u 的大作中提到】
: 你的poll数字不对。MD的poll基本是half 对half。 考虑到公投支持同婚 的向来低于
: poll，我觉得MD基本上回输掉的。
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D**S
发帖数: 24887 | 48 I, too, predict that outcome.
Just not sure that time is already here for a place like MD to ratify same-
sex marriage. MD has a wonderful governor for LGBT community but the
governor, unfortunately, does not represent well the reality of the wider
state.
【在 m******1 的大作中提到】
: POLL的数字对不对我不知道，但是我也感觉MD会输，但是MAINE会赢
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a******c
发帖数: 291 | 49 My data are from the following coverage in Washington Post:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/half-of-marylan
To quote the poll: "Overall, the Post poll found that 50 percent of
Marylanders support allowing gay and lesbian couples to marry while 44
percent are opposed."
That leaves 6% undecided.
The reason I am less optimistic about the referendum is that gay-marriage
opponents are more motivated to vote than supporters. Some people will voice
their support for gay marriage when interviewed over the phone, but feel
reluctant or too lazy to go to the voting booth on the election day. "What
has it got to do with me?" they might ask themselves.
I live in Maryland. The atmosphere here is quite accepting in general to
gay people. But again almost all my neighbors are white-collar and seem
quite educated and open-minded. A retired engineer living next door has
volunteered to repair our lawn mower several times and always invites us to
his family party. His wife loves the Thai noodle we made.
【在 p****u 的大作中提到】
: 你的poll数字不对。MD的poll基本是half 对half。 考虑到公投支持同婚 的向来低于
: poll，我觉得MD基本上回输掉的。
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