p****u
发帖数: 2596 | 1 【 以下文字转载自 Notice 讨论区 】
发信人: deliver (自动发信系统), 信区:
标 题: pipinu 封 fantong 在 Quant 版
发信站: BBS 未名空间站自动发信系统 (Thu Jul 7 12:38:56 2011)
【此篇文章是由自动发信系统所张贴】
由于 fantong 在 Quant 版的 人身攻击。 行为，
被暂时取消在本版的发文权力 7 天。
版主:pipinu
Thu Jul 7 12:38:55 2011 |
a***x
发帖数: 26368 | 2 唉，fun没了。
【在 p****u 的大作中提到】
: 【 以下文字转载自 Notice 讨论区 】
: 发信人: deliver (自动发信系统), 信区:
: 标 题: pipinu 封 fantong 在 Quant 版
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站自动发信系统 (Thu Jul 7 12:38:56 2011)
: 【此篇文章是由自动发信系统所张贴】
: 由于 fantong 在 Quant 版的 人身攻击。 行为，
: 被暂时取消在本版的发文权力 7 天。
: 版主:pipinu
: Thu Jul 7 12:38:55 2011
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p****u
发帖数: 2596 | 3 不着急，估计一会会有马甲出来。。。。
【在 a***x 的大作中提到】
: 唉，fun没了。
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l*******n
发帖数: 206 | 4 Just to be fair, I learned a lot more information on trading from fantong's
post than nycplayer's post. Of course fantong's temper can be improved.
working for a larger institution not necesarily means you are more sucessful
as a trader who are judged only by their pnl. If you are a flow trader,
that is totally different career. You might be trading 1 billiion a day,
that means nothing.
From my judgement, fantong's post is sincere and information are authentic.
On the other hand, most ppl attacking him disclose no relevant information
whatsoever on what they do, where they work, etc. They just imply they are
more succesful and work for larger corporations.
If you trade for a living, I would n't be surprised by the success of a shop
like fantong's company.
discalimer: don't know fantong or his majia :-)
【在 p****u 的大作中提到】
: 不着急，估计一会会有马甲出来。。。。
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S*********g
发帖数: 5298 | 5 fantong他们这种骗钱的公司满大街都是。。。。。
另外展开讲讲，你都从fantong的帖子里学到了什么
s
sucessful
.
【在 l*******n 的大作中提到】
: Just to be fair, I learned a lot more information on trading from fantong's
: post than nycplayer's post. Of course fantong's temper can be improved.
: working for a larger institution not necesarily means you are more sucessful
: as a trader who are judged only by their pnl. If you are a flow trader,
: that is totally different career. You might be trading 1 billiion a day,
: that means nothing.
: From my judgement, fantong's post is sincere and information are authentic.
: On the other hand, most ppl attacking him disclose no relevant information
: whatsoever on what they do, where they work, etc. They just imply they are
: more succesful and work for larger corporations.
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l*******n
发帖数: 206 | 6 Do you know madoff is a fraud before everybody knows? we probably would
think he is a genius.
the point is there is cheat everywhere... but that doesn't mean everybody is
cheat.
question is, what if fantong happen to be not the bad apple, are all these
attacks fair?
【在 S*********g 的大作中提到】
: fantong他们这种骗钱的公司满大街都是。。。。。
: 另外展开讲讲，你都从fantong的帖子里学到了什么
:
: s
: sucessful
: .
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p****u
发帖数: 2596 | 7 请看封人理由是人身攻击，与他其他信息对不对没有关系。。
s
sucessful
.
【在 l*******n 的大作中提到】
: Just to be fair, I learned a lot more information on trading from fantong's
: post than nycplayer's post. Of course fantong's temper can be improved.
: working for a larger institution not necesarily means you are more sucessful
: as a trader who are judged only by their pnl. If you are a flow trader,
: that is totally different career. You might be trading 1 billiion a day,
: that means nothing.
: From my judgement, fantong's post is sincere and information are authentic.
: On the other hand, most ppl attacking him disclose no relevant information
: whatsoever on what they do, where they work, etc. They just imply they are
: more succesful and work for larger corporations.
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S*********g
发帖数: 5298 | 8 哈哈。
太搞笑了，在这里搞攻击的明明是fantong，好不好。
大家对他的是质疑，不叫攻击。
反而他自己，被别人质疑之后，就直接跳脚，开始人身攻击了。
建议你真的好好去研究一下，fantong那样的公司。
是很典型很典型的骗钱的公司，满世界都是
is
【在 l*******n 的大作中提到】
: Do you know madoff is a fraud before everybody knows? we probably would
: think he is a genius.
: the point is there is cheat everywhere... but that doesn't mean everybody is
: cheat.
: question is, what if fantong happen to be not the bad apple, are all these
: attacks fair?
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l*******n
发帖数: 206 | 9 can you tell me what you know from nycplayer's post? other than he worked
for cme a long time ago and now trading billions everyday?
at least the phone number given in fantong's post is authentic.
and I learned more info about trading from his defense againt all those doubts
【在 S*********g 的大作中提到】
: fantong他们这种骗钱的公司满大街都是。。。。。
: 另外展开讲讲，你都从fantong的帖子里学到了什么
:
: s
: sucessful
: .
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l*******n
发帖数: 206 | 10 you are bz, you do what you do. not trying to argue against.
but a lot of ppl need to admit they have a strong bias against fantong's
type of companies to start with....
do we know so much that we not only know how sucessful we are and how big a
cheat other ppl(who we never met or know) is?
【在 p****u 的大作中提到】
: 请看封人理由是人身攻击，与他其他信息对不对没有关系。。
:
: s
: sucessful
: .
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l*******n
发帖数: 206 | 11 I know there are bad day trading companies.
but I doubt all of them are bad. I have friends who are successful and make
decent living as day traders.
【在 S*********g 的大作中提到】
: 哈哈。
: 太搞笑了，在这里搞攻击的明明是fantong，好不好。
: 大家对他的是质疑，不叫攻击。
: 反而他自己，被别人质疑之后，就直接跳脚，开始人身攻击了。
: 建议你真的好好去研究一下，fantong那样的公司。
: 是很典型很典型的骗钱的公司，满世界都是
:
: is
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S*********g
发帖数: 5298 | 12 你又转移话题了。你的逻辑真的很有问题
1.即使nycplayer的帖子全是狗屎，也不妨碍fantong的公司是骗子公司。
2.将就你一下，转过头来说nycplayer的帖子，里边有很重要的信息。
他第一个质疑fantong的帖子里列的疑问，那些就是有用的信息。
可以帮助很多人不上当受骗的信息。
【在 l*******n 的大作中提到】
: can you tell me what you know from nycplayer's post? other than he worked
: for cme a long time ago and now trading billions everyday?
: at least the phone number given in fantong's post is authentic.
: and I learned more info about trading from his defense againt all those doubts
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S*********g
发帖数: 5298 | 13 1.传销也有致富的，老鼠会也有致富的，
但是这不妨碍他们是骗子公司，不妨碍大家要远离骗子公司
2. 你的朋友干的越好，越被他们占便宜。
3. 你干的不好，更被他们白占便宜。
make
【在 l*******n 的大作中提到】
: I know there are bad day trading companies.
: but I doubt all of them are bad. I have friends who are successful and make
: decent living as day traders.
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l*******n
发帖数: 206 | 14 similarly, your logic too..
即使nycplayer的帖子not全是狗屎, 也不妨碍fantong的公司是ok公司
【在 S*********g 的大作中提到】
: 你又转移话题了。你的逻辑真的很有问题
: 1.即使nycplayer的帖子全是狗屎，也不妨碍fantong的公司是骗子公司。
: 2.将就你一下，转过头来说nycplayer的帖子，里边有很重要的信息。
: 他第一个质疑fantong的帖子里列的疑问，那些就是有用的信息。
: 可以帮助很多人不上当受骗的信息。
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l*******n
发帖数: 206 | 15 who are you? god of law/moral?
there are ppl arguing against the whole social security system and claim it is a ponzi scheme. so should we refuse to pay ss tax too?
point is, we are not anthority even we pretend we are
【在 S*********g 的大作中提到】
: 1.传销也有致富的，老鼠会也有致富的，
: 但是这不妨碍他们是骗子公司，不妨碍大家要远离骗子公司
: 2. 你的朋友干的越好，越被他们占便宜。
: 3. 你干的不好，更被他们白占便宜。
:
: make
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S*********g
发帖数: 5298 | 16 我自己也面试过这种公司培训出来的人
实在是替他们惋惜，扔了钱进去，浪费了时间和机会
却真的是没学到什么东西。
有那个时间和精力，自己去买些最畅销，公认是精华的书来看，都比他们这种公司的那
些培训要强。
make
【在 l*******n 的大作中提到】
: I know there are bad day trading companies.
: but I doubt all of them are bad. I have friends who are successful and make
: decent living as day traders.
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S*********g
发帖数: 5298 | 17 你好，fantong，又理屈词穷了。
换个马甲吧
【在 l*******n 的大作中提到】
: who are you? god of law/moral?
: there are ppl arguing against the whole social security system and claim it is a ponzi scheme. so should we refuse to pay ss tax too?
: point is, we are not anthority even we pretend we are
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S*********g
发帖数: 5298 | 18 哈哈，你再次证明了你的逻辑完全混乱
【在 l*******n 的大作中提到】
: similarly, your logic too..
: 即使nycplayer的帖子not全是狗屎, 也不妨碍fantong的公司是ok公司
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l*******n
发帖数: 206 | 19 haha..
you don't even know me.... or maybe you do
【在 S*********g 的大作中提到】
: 你好，fantong，又理屈词穷了。
: 换个马甲吧
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h*****6
发帖数: 866 | |
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n*******r
发帖数: 117 | 21 你要不是majia的话我老人家再提醒你一句
他的post里关于market, trading的信息基本都是错的，无数的常识性错误
你要有问题的话可以站内问我
退一万步说你真的学到了东西，thats good。但是那是illegal的，加入要小心
s
sucessful
.
【在 l*******n 的大作中提到】
: Just to be fair, I learned a lot more information on trading from fantong's
: post than nycplayer's post. Of course fantong's temper can be improved.
: working for a larger institution not necesarily means you are more sucessful
: as a trader who are judged only by their pnl. If you are a flow trader,
: that is totally different career. You might be trading 1 billiion a day,
: that means nothing.
: From my judgement, fantong's post is sincere and information are authentic.
: On the other hand, most ppl attacking him disclose no relevant information
: whatsoever on what they do, where they work, etc. They just imply they are
: more succesful and work for larger corporations.
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n*******r
发帖数: 117 | 22 too be fair,我也有认识朋友作day trading company的，但是人家公司有base salary
, 有benefit, 不需要交押金， 至少是一个正经的工作。
不是说day trading 不能做，虽然turn over rate 很高，但是至少要找一个正规的，
没有illegal practice的公司。
【在 S*********g 的大作中提到】
: 我自己也面试过这种公司培训出来的人
: 实在是替他们惋惜，扔了钱进去，浪费了时间和机会
: 却真的是没学到什么东西。
: 有那个时间和精力，自己去买些最畅销，公认是精华的书来看，都比他们这种公司的那
: 些培训要强。
:
: make
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S*********g
发帖数: 5298 | 23 同意
salary
【在 n*******r 的大作中提到】
: too be fair,我也有认识朋友作day trading company的，但是人家公司有base salary
: , 有benefit, 不需要交押金， 至少是一个正经的工作。
: 不是说day trading 不能做，虽然turn over rate 很高，但是至少要找一个正规的，
: 没有illegal practice的公司。
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G*****3
发帖数: 71 | 24 Dont think the trading arcades are illegal. They are more like faciliator
than trading company. If you are really good, you can make a lot of money
for yourself there. I know a few people trading for themselves in those
places.
Their whole business model base on bring on as many people as possible. Put
them through a training course, and let them trade their own money. If they
make it then it is good for everyone. Otherwise the company profits from the
clearing and margin fees. It is almost like a casino.
If you are serious about going into trading, dont even think about this kind
of places. |
n*******r
发帖数: 117 | 25 It is clearly illegal as
NASD Regulation took the position that any associated
person who makes trading decisions that place a firm’s capital
at risk needs to be registered under Series 55
这种垃圾公司给你钱trade会sponsor series 55么？ 没有就是illegal.
而且输钱的so-called trader工作了，没有工资，不能满足minimum wage requirement.
illegal大了去了，大家懒得去管而已
Put
they
the
kind
【在 G*****3 的大作中提到】
: Dont think the trading arcades are illegal. They are more like faciliator
: than trading company. If you are really good, you can make a lot of money
: for yourself there. I know a few people trading for themselves in those
: places.
: Their whole business model base on bring on as many people as possible. Put
: them through a training course, and let them trade their own money. If they
: make it then it is good for everyone. Otherwise the company profits from the
: clearing and margin fees. It is almost like a casino.
: If you are serious about going into trading, dont even think about this kind
: of places.
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G*****3
发帖数: 71 | 26 Not too sure about NASQ in the states. In the future market it is a lot less
regulated. No one care if you are licensed or not. Plus, a lot of these
company get away with it by registering their trader as self employed, so
legally they are not betting the company's money. |
a***r
发帖数: 594 | 27 同意。
没工资，收押金，押金完了就走人，还收交易费。
这种地方，避之不及啊。
salary
【在 n*******r 的大作中提到】
: too be fair,我也有认识朋友作day trading company的，但是人家公司有base salary
: , 有benefit, 不需要交押金， 至少是一个正经的工作。
: 不是说day trading 不能做，虽然turn over rate 很高，但是至少要找一个正规的，
: 没有illegal practice的公司。
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k*****a
发帖数: 7389 | 28 的确是这样。
板上几个土老冒天天盲人摸象，碰到自己没听过的事就迫不及待跳出来胡乱辱骂他人。
这才是本版对大部分网友最大的危害。
less
【在 G*****3 的大作中提到】
: Not too sure about NASQ in the states. In the future market it is a lot less
: regulated. No one care if you are licensed or not. Plus, a lot of these
: company get away with it by registering their trader as self employed, so
: legally they are not betting the company's money.
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j******3
发帖数: 18319 | 29 不得不说，您看问题看得比较深了。
哈哈，这里还是有高人啊。佩服。:)
is
【在 l*******n 的大作中提到】
: Do you know madoff is a fraud before everybody knows? we probably would
: think he is a genius.
: the point is there is cheat everywhere... but that doesn't mean everybody is
: cheat.
: question is, what if fantong happen to be not the bad apple, are all these
: attacks fair?
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k*****a
发帖数: 7389 | 30 其实金融就是赌博骗子行业，都是骗子，没资格指责他人的。大西洋城的荷官才有资格
上来指责。
那几个自称每天管理上百亿资金的，其实赚的钱未必就比饭桶多。尽管我也觉得饭桶是
野鸡公司，不过他的表现还算有理有节，和子清一样，算个爷们。
安利是骗子公司吧？人在大陆搞得风生水起，组织凯子团台湾、欧洲、美国满世界炫耀
，起码拉动了经济，比在这里满嘴几十亿天天运筹帷幄的路蛇们强。
【在 j******3 的大作中提到】
: 不得不说，您看问题看得比较深了。
: 哈哈，这里还是有高人啊。佩服。:)
:
: is
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y*******r
发帖数: 8 | 31 呼唤逻辑啊， 金融公司骗的是投资者，自己家trader叫好可以理解
骗子公司骗的是自己的employee啊， 是饭桶的战友们，被骗的还为骗子叫好，现在流
行晒智商么？
【在 k*****a 的大作中提到】
: 其实金融就是赌博骗子行业，都是骗子，没资格指责他人的。大西洋城的荷官才有资格
: 上来指责。
: 那几个自称每天管理上百亿资金的，其实赚的钱未必就比饭桶多。尽管我也觉得饭桶是
: 野鸡公司，不过他的表现还算有理有节，和子清一样，算个爷们。
: 安利是骗子公司吧？人在大陆搞得风生水起，组织凯子团台湾、欧洲、美国满世界炫耀
: ，起码拉动了经济，比在这里满嘴几十亿天天运筹帷幄的路蛇们强。
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k*****a
发帖数: 7389 | 32 骗谁不是骗呀？就你这种的，一个骗字还会分出四种不同骗法，真是天下奇才！
【在 y*******r 的大作中提到】
: 呼唤逻辑啊， 金融公司骗的是投资者，自己家trader叫好可以理解
: 骗子公司骗的是自己的employee啊， 是饭桶的战友们，被骗的还为骗子叫好，现在流
: 行晒智商么？
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