D******8
发帖数: 114 | 1 Hi, I am currently a senior software engineer with about 10 years experience.
My question is how I can break into the finance field. Is getting an MBA
degree from a top school a guaranteed way? My only experience related to
finance is working at the IT department of a finance company.
Your advice is much appreciated. |
s*******s
发帖数: 1568 | 2 finance is a board filed, which part do you want to get in?
experience
【在 D******8 的大作中提到】
: Hi, I am currently a senior software engineer with about 10 years experience.
: My question is how I can break into the finance field. Is getting an MBA
: degree from a top school a guaranteed way? My only experience related to
: finance is working at the IT department of a finance company.
: Your advice is much appreciated.
|
D******8
发帖数: 114 | 3 Thank you for the response. I am not very familiar with all the fields in
Finance. Which field do you suggest? :) |
s*******s
发帖数: 1568 | 4 a track I recommend is ---- jump to or start a high-tech start-up as
cofounder, ----vc/pe
【在 D******8 的大作中提到】
: Thank you for the response. I am not very familiar with all the fields in
: Finance. Which field do you suggest? :)
|
D******8
发帖数: 114 | 5 Thanks again.
I always think about that route. It is a rewarding but also a very
challenging route for sure. With my personality and background, it seems a better choice to stay as an employee instead.
I have the career change idea because I have reached the end of my current career path. I am not management material so I am going nowhere now. |
h**b
发帖数: 406 | 6 那么多投行招IT和quant,你就经常投投简历看看效果。 |
D******8
发帖数: 114 | 7 Thanks for the input. I am trying to switch to quant too. However, if I
switch to quant, it will still be difficult for me to switch to the non-IT
areas of finance. So my lack of education and experience will still be an
issue at that time. That is why I am thinking of MBA. |
V**0
发帖数: 889 | 8 读一个top business school的MBA可以帮助你转行
but nothing is guaranteed
【在 D******8 的大作中提到】
: Thanks for the input. I am trying to switch to quant too. However, if I
: switch to quant, it will still be difficult for me to switch to the non-IT
: areas of finance. So my lack of education and experience will still be an
: issue at that time. That is why I am thinking of MBA.
|
C*******h
发帖数: 60 | 9 和你背景类似，在读一个Fiancial Mathematics的MS(明年春天应该读完，同时大致那
个时候能拿到绿卡），不知道是不是现在就该试着找找Quant的工作还是等到绿卡到手
再说？
谢谢！
experience.
【在 D******8 的大作中提到】
: Hi, I am currently a senior software engineer with about 10 years experience.
: My question is how I can break into the finance field. Is getting an MBA
: degree from a top school a guaranteed way? My only experience related to
: finance is working at the IT department of a finance company.
: Your advice is much appreciated.
|
i****y
发帖数: 82 | 10 go to high frequency trading company. Your programming skills will be very
useful.
【在 D******8 的大作中提到】
: Thanks for the input. I am trying to switch to quant too. However, if I
: switch to quant, it will still be difficult for me to switch to the non-IT
: areas of finance. So my lack of education and experience will still be an
: issue at that time. That is why I am thinking of MBA.
|
|
|
f********r
发帖数: 3155 | 11 very low success rate, very high risk for a family man
【在 s*******s 的大作中提到】
: a track I recommend is ---- jump to or start a high-tech start-up as
: cofounder, ----vc/pe
|
t********s
发帖数: 54 | 12 你把quant看作IT，也不怕被唾沫星子淹死？。。。
【在 D******8 的大作中提到】
: Thanks for the input. I am trying to switch to quant too. However, if I
: switch to quant, it will still be difficult for me to switch to the non-IT
: areas of finance. So my lack of education and experience will still be an
: issue at that time. That is why I am thinking of MBA.
|
D******8
发帖数: 114 | 13 Sorry, I misspoke. That was probably due to my ignorance of the financial industry. What I meant by non-IT areas are the areas not involving any programming in the financial industry.
【在 t********s 的大作中提到】
: 你把quant看作IT，也不怕被唾沫星子淹死？。。。
|
t********a
发帖数: 810 | 14
industry. What I meant by non-IT areas are the areas not involving any
programming in the financial industry.
I think you are too old. 这辈子就这么招了吧. finance是年轻人的世界. 还不如去
bloomberg找个一般的IT工作, 再找个聪明点的女人生个娃, 如果下一辈争气的话或许
有机会.
【在 D******8 的大作中提到】
: Sorry, I misspoke. That was probably due to my ignorance of the financial industry. What I meant by non-IT areas are the areas not involving any programming in the financial industry.
|
D******8
发帖数: 114 | 15 Thanks for the input. I am just stubborn and never believe one could be too
old unless it is something related to sports or some special fields. :) I
wasted the last several years by getting a JD.
【在 t********a 的大作中提到】
:
: industry. What I meant by non-IT areas are the areas not involving any
: programming in the financial industry.
: I think you are too old. 这辈子就这么招了吧. finance是年轻人的世界. 还不如去
: bloomberg找个一般的IT工作, 再找个聪明点的女人生个娃, 如果下一辈争气的话或许
: 有机会.
|
t********a
发帖数: 810 | 16
too
I
you can always try, but it could be painful experience. some parts of your
brain decay faster than your body.
its always good to compete with your edge and not your weakness.
【在 D******8 的大作中提到】
: Thanks for the input. I am just stubborn and never believe one could be too
: old unless it is something related to sports or some special fields. :) I
: wasted the last several years by getting a JD.
|
D******8
发帖数: 114 | 17 Sure, that is definitely possible. On the other hand, it could be very
painful too if I stayed as a senior software engineer until I retired.
【在 t********a 的大作中提到】
:
: too
: I
: you can always try, but it could be painful experience. some parts of your
: brain decay faster than your body.
: its always good to compete with your edge and not your weakness.
|
t********a
发帖数: 810 | 18
Also, even if you try, it is up to the employer to decide whether or not to
give you an opportunity. Maybe you are truly exceptional, but it is hard for
others to perceive so since the talent pool is so large. Without other
evidence (like IMO gold medals), most employer won't take the risk of hiring
an old guy. People can always guess how old you are by seeing when u
graudated from college, But of course they wont say they dont hire you
because you are old.
It would be a big struggle for you to
【在 D******8 的大作中提到】
: Sure, that is definitely possible. On the other hand, it could be very
: painful too if I stayed as a senior software engineer until I retired.
|
D******8
发帖数: 114 | 19 By the time I finished MBA, I would be 38 if I start next year. Any way to
work around this age barrier? Can I start lower and work my way up?
to
for
hiring
【在 t********a 的大作中提到】
:
: Also, even if you try, it is up to the employer to decide whether or not to
: give you an opportunity. Maybe you are truly exceptional, but it is hard for
: others to perceive so since the talent pool is so large. Without other
: evidence (like IMO gold medals), most employer won't take the risk of hiring
: an old guy. People can always guess how old you are by seeing when u
: graudated from college, But of course they wont say they dont hire you
: because you are old.
: It would be a big struggle for you to
|
t********a
发帖数: 810 | 20
to
you could be the next lottery winner, but the probability matters.
all im saying is that its very hard. you have a better shot starting your
own technology company if you really want to do something. finance world is
full of shit, and even if you are lucky, you could be spending lots of money
getting an MBA, years doing junior job, and by the time you are 40
something, you feel you sit in a shit hole doing some shit job and being
abused by some shitty trader everyday.
【在 D******8 的大作中提到】
: By the time I finished MBA, I would be 38 if I start next year. Any way to
: work around this age barrier? Can I start lower and work my way up?
:
: to
: for
: hiring
|
|
|
D******8
发帖数: 114 | 21 I am just thinking at least I try if I fail. When I become older, then it
becomes even later. I can imagine it that I, being a fifty-years-old or
sixty-years-old senior software engineer, work for a shitty manager in the
future. It looks like a wrong career choice really hurts.
your
is
money
【在 t********a 的大作中提到】
:
: to
: you could be the next lottery winner, but the probability matters.
: all im saying is that its very hard. you have a better shot starting your
: own technology company if you really want to do something. finance world is
: full of shit, and even if you are lucky, you could be spending lots of money
: getting an MBA, years doing junior job, and by the time you are 40
: something, you feel you sit in a shit hole doing some shit job and being
: abused by some shitty trader everyday.
|
x****w
发帖数: 119 | 22 I second this. 38 is indeed late and unworthy to start as a jounor in
finance. The path suggested by previous post, start-up -> vc/pe can be a
reasonalbe one, if you really want to jump into business world.
is
money
【在 t********a 的大作中提到】
:
: to
: you could be the next lottery winner, but the probability matters.
: all im saying is that its very hard. you have a better shot starting your
: own technology company if you really want to do something. finance world is
: full of shit, and even if you are lucky, you could be spending lots of money
: getting an MBA, years doing junior job, and by the time you are 40
: something, you feel you sit in a shit hole doing some shit job and being
: abused by some shitty trader everyday.
|
x****w
发帖数: 119 | 23 Oh man, i admire your courage and yes you are absolutely right - I also thou
ght like that, but in my 20s...
Don't you have family, children? When I was young, i thought job/money matte
r at most for so-called "life value". But when I came to 30s, get married, b
ecome a father, i feel family is more important. And for average people, ind
ustry you are working in doesn't make big difference.
In IT world, you absolutely can live wonderful, own your business, and earni
ng good money, only if you ar
【在 D******8 的大作中提到】
: I am just thinking at least I try if I fail. When I become older, then it
: becomes even later. I can imagine it that I, being a fifty-years-old or
: sixty-years-old senior software engineer, work for a shitty manager in the
: future. It looks like a wrong career choice really hurts.
:
: your
: is
: money
|
D******8
发帖数: 114 | 24 I am totally unfamiliar with this path. I will look into that. Thanks.
【在 x****w 的大作中提到】
: I second this. 38 is indeed late and unworthy to start as a jounor in
: finance. The path suggested by previous post, start-up -> vc/pe can be a
: reasonalbe one, if you really want to jump into business world.
:
: is
: money
|
D******8
发帖数: 114 | 25 I do not have a family/children. Maybe I am still thinking in the 20s'
way. :(
You brought up a good point. If I cannot go up in one industry, how can
I think I can go up in another? At the end, the skills taken to go up
are similar among different industry. My rationale is that I think I
know my edges and weakness. I think I am not management material so I
am at a dead end as an employee in the IT industry. Of course, starting
my own company will be a breakthrough way. However, starting
【在 x****w 的大作中提到】
: Oh man, i admire your courage and yes you are absolutely right - I also thou
: ght like that, but in my 20s...
: Don't you have family, children? When I was young, i thought job/money matte
: r at most for so-called "life value". But when I came to 30s, get married, b
: ecome a father, i feel family is more important. And for average people, ind
: ustry you are working in doesn't make big difference.
: In IT world, you absolutely can live wonderful, own your business, and earni
: ng good money, only if you ar
|
F******0
发帖数: 194 | 26 Dennis98, I am about in the similar situations like you, looking for a
career change from IT field.
Shall we exchange contact and have a chat? If you are closer to New York, we
can meet and talk.
【在 D******8 的大作中提到】
: I do not have a family/children. Maybe I am still thinking in the 20s'
: way. :(
: You brought up a good point. If I cannot go up in one industry, how can
: I think I can go up in another? At the end, the skills taken to go up
: are similar among different industry. My rationale is that I think I
: know my edges and weakness. I think I am not management material so I
: am at a dead end as an employee in the IT industry. Of course, starting
: my own company will be a breakthrough way. However, starting
|
o******s
发帖数: 416 | 27 这个比较中肯。
个人觉得你应该算是在IT行业里没有成功转型的那种。这样会比较尴尬。
现在你想changeup了，但是像之前的人说的，去做IT的business绝对比去break into
finance来的要容易并且risk小些。
因为你索性要改变了，为何不增加以下自己的manage的能力而去学finance呢？毕竟你
有10年的经验了，把心思花在如何抓住市场然后根据自己的idea去做公司显得更实际些
。每门有每门的学问，也需要积累，如果你现在去改去做quant,不仅要把数学捡起来，
还要不断的更新自己的金融知识，而这些那些从本科就学习、关注这个行业的人绝对比
你有更大的竞争力，他们而且还年轻。
你可以去读MBA，但是你会发现里面分组做项目，做报告等都是根据自己的之前在某个
领域的经验的，到时候你会自然而然的去走IT startup的path了。MBA对你最大的收获
应该是培养你的biz sense,如果你没family不差钱，去读个转换一下自己也无妨，但是
没必要aim at finance world only.
thou
matte
b
ind
earni
senior
man
【在 x****w 的大作中提到】
: Oh man, i admire your courage and yes you are absolutely right - I also thou
: ght like that, but in my 20s...
: Don't you have family, children? When I was young, i thought job/money matte
: r at most for so-called "life value". But when I came to 30s, get married, b
: ecome a father, i feel family is more important. And for average people, ind
: ustry you are working in doesn't make big difference.
: In IT world, you absolutely can live wonderful, own your business, and earni
: ng good money, only if you ar
|
l*********o
发帖数: 3091 | 28 why don't you start day trading first |
D******8
发帖数: 114 | 29 Sure. I will send you my contact info or you can send me yours.
we
【在 F******0 的大作中提到】
: Dennis98, I am about in the similar situations like you, looking for a
: career change from IT field.
: Shall we exchange contact and have a chat? If you are closer to New York, we
: can meet and talk.
|
D******8
发帖数: 114 | 30 Thank you for the detailed reply. It would have taken me hours for typing
so much in Chinese.
What I also heard is that MBA education does not change one as a person.
Most people come out almost the same as they were when they started the
program. I treat it as a step to get me into the door. Not sure if this is
correct. So I am not planning to take MBA to make myself better. I just
finished a JD last year and have enough with schools. If an MBA degree can
get me into another field, then
【在 o******s 的大作中提到】
: 这个比较中肯。
: 个人觉得你应该算是在IT行业里没有成功转型的那种。这样会比较尴尬。
: 现在你想changeup了，但是像之前的人说的，去做IT的business绝对比去break into
: finance来的要容易并且risk小些。
: 因为你索性要改变了，为何不增加以下自己的manage的能力而去学finance呢？毕竟你
: 有10年的经验了，把心思花在如何抓住市场然后根据自己的idea去做公司显得更实际些
: 。每门有每门的学问，也需要积累，如果你现在去改去做quant,不仅要把数学捡起来，
: 还要不断的更新自己的金融知识，而这些那些从本科就学习、关注这个行业的人绝对比
: 你有更大的竞争力，他们而且还年轻。
: 你可以去读MBA，但是你会发现里面分组做项目，做报告等都是根据自己的之前在某个
|
|
|
D******8
发帖数: 114 | 31 Thanks for the idea. Can you give more details? Day trading as an
individual or in banks/funds?
【在 l*********o 的大作中提到】
: why don't you start day trading first
|
o******s
发帖数: 416 | 32 恩，MBA入场券的作用是肯定的。不过只有这个文凭是不够的，去年前年据我所知哥大
的MBA找工作都不怎么容易，很多还是走了老路，变化不大。其实MBA就是逼你进入一个
club, networking什么的是很重要的，很多时候那些好的offer其实都是朋友介绍，内
部推荐的。
我不知道为什么你觉得你管理方面不成，如果是因为交流能力不成的话，去读MBA肯定
也是不会利用的很好的。
is
can
low-
【在 D******8 的大作中提到】
: Thank you for the detailed reply. It would have taken me hours for typing
: so much in Chinese.
: What I also heard is that MBA education does not change one as a person.
: Most people come out almost the same as they were when they started the
: program. I treat it as a step to get me into the door. Not sure if this is
: correct. So I am not planning to take MBA to make myself better. I just
: finished a JD last year and have enough with schools. If an MBA degree can
: get me into another field, then
|
D******8
发帖数: 114 | 33 I think the problem is more with the language and cultural background.
Words and ways of saying them have lots of subtle meanings. Lots of info is
not conveyed by spoken words either. If you do not grow up here, there are
just things you cannot understand very well.
How about an MBA from Stanford or UC Berkeley? I am dreaming so allow me to
dream big.
【在 o******s 的大作中提到】
: 恩，MBA入场券的作用是肯定的。不过只有这个文凭是不够的，去年前年据我所知哥大
: 的MBA找工作都不怎么容易，很多还是走了老路，变化不大。其实MBA就是逼你进入一个
: club, networking什么的是很重要的，很多时候那些好的offer其实都是朋友介绍，内
: 部推荐的。
: 我不知道为什么你觉得你管理方面不成，如果是因为交流能力不成的话，去读MBA肯定
: 也是不会利用的很好的。
:
: is
: can
: low-
|
c*******9
发帖数: 6411 | 34 If you can get in Stanford, I think it is definitely worth it... nothing is
impossible... |
t********a
发帖数: 810 | |
b********n
发帖数: 609 | 36 你也就能要个饭。
【在 t********a 的大作中提到】
: 这哥们儿有点愣. 我老肯定不会要.
|
t********a
发帖数: 810 | 37
关你屁眼事.
【在 b********n 的大作中提到】
: 你也就能要个饭。
|
D******8
发帖数: 114 | 38 Going back to my original topic, any other suggestions? |
t********a
发帖数: 810 | 39
if you feel strongly about it, give it a try, and keep everybody updated of
your progress.
【在 D******8 的大作中提到】
: Going back to my original topic, any other suggestions?
|
b********n
发帖数: 609 | 40 你果然很在意你没有的东西，可怜。
【在 t********a 的大作中提到】
:
: if you feel strongly about it, give it a try, and keep everybody updated of
: your progress.
|
|
|
b********n
发帖数: 609 | 41 折腾呗，不然活着多没劲。
【在 D******8 的大作中提到】
: Going back to my original topic, any other suggestions?
|
D******8
发帖数: 114 | 42 I kind of think in the same way too. I do not mind working hard but just
hate getting bored.
【在 b********n 的大作中提到】
: 折腾呗，不然活着多没劲。
|
l**********r
发帖数: 40 | 43 What is the difference you will make? If you just want to experience the
quantlife, go for it.But I think you are more concerned with the future of
career.You've thought of your later time being an old senior software
engineer, have you ever thought of your future in quant when you are old? As
far as I know, it is not so delightful either. Quant is not the only to
make fortune, chances are in your current career too, or even in your
current life out of work.
In a word, if you want to have lif
【在 D******8 的大作中提到】
: I kind of think in the same way too. I do not mind working hard but just
: hate getting bored.
|
t********a
发帖数: 810 | 44
这东西还就你多, 全身都是, 每个上面插一marker, 还流淌着五颜六色的DNA.
【在 b********n 的大作中提到】
: 你果然很在意你没有的东西，可怜。
|
D******8
发帖数: 114 | 45 Thanks for the input. How about being a trader? Will it make difference?
Or any other choices in the financial industry?
As
if
【在 l**********r 的大作中提到】
: What is the difference you will make? If you just want to experience the
: quantlife, go for it.But I think you are more concerned with the future of
: career.You've thought of your later time being an old senior software
: engineer, have you ever thought of your future in quant when you are old? As
: far as I know, it is not so delightful either. Quant is not the only to
: make fortune, chances are in your current career too, or even in your
: current life out of work.
: In a word, if you want to have lif
|
D******8
发帖数: 114 | 46 OK, how about the roles other than quants and traders?
Btw, will I qualify for quant jobs now?
to
【在 x****w 的大作中提到】
: Oh man, i admire your courage and yes you are absolutely right - I also thou
: ght like that, but in my 20s...
: Don't you have family, children? When I was young, i thought job/money matte
: r at most for so-called "life value". But when I came to 30s, get married, b
: ecome a father, i feel family is more important. And for average people, ind
: ustry you are working in doesn't make big difference.
: In IT world, you absolutely can live wonderful, own your business, and earni
: ng good money, only if you ar
|
x****w
发帖数: 119 | 47 Forget it... Look in this board how many ppl are trying to transfer to
being a trader? It's already not easy to get a quant postion if you want to
jump, not to mention trader.
and btw, you mentioned you are not good/interesting in management. I doubt h
ow you think about your career in finance without good people skills. Oh may
be you can consider De&Show/Ren Tech who employ lots of CS PhDs and operate
like a tech company.
ps2: what i said for start-up doesn't mean you have to own a company, but
【在 D******8 的大作中提到】
: Thanks for the input. How about being a trader? Will it make difference?
: Or any other choices in the financial industry?
:
: As
: if
|
D******8
发帖数: 114 | 48 Lifeexplorer:
You mentioned that there are also opportunities in my current career. I
only see getting into management and staring my own company. Do you see
anything else?
Thanks.
As
if
【在 l**********r 的大作中提到】
: What is the difference you will make? If you just want to experience the
: quantlife, go for it.But I think you are more concerned with the future of
: career.You've thought of your later time being an old senior software
: engineer, have you ever thought of your future in quant when you are old? As
: far as I know, it is not so delightful either. Quant is not the only to
: make fortune, chances are in your current career too, or even in your
: current life out of work.
: In a word, if you want to have lif
|
D******8
发帖数: 114 | 49 Not a problem. I am here because I need different opinions.
I have been considering the start-up path. Getting a website up is really
easy. I can start a one-man-show start-up company in several months. The
key is to survive and to succeed. I do not have real numbers. My guess is
hundreds of them started each day, less than 10% are able to survive and
about 1-2% succeed. I could work days and nights for a new startup for
several years and the end is -- it disappears.
to
h
may
operate
if
【在 x****w 的大作中提到】
: Forget it... Look in this board how many ppl are trying to transfer to
: being a trader? It's already not easy to get a quant postion if you want to
: jump, not to mention trader.
: and btw, you mentioned you are not good/interesting in management. I doubt h
: ow you think about your career in finance without good people skills. Oh may
: be you can consider De&Show/Ren Tech who employ lots of CS PhDs and operate
: like a tech company.
: ps2: what i said for start-up doesn't mean you have to own a company, but
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b********n
发帖数: 609 | 50
你怎么描述自己描述的这么精确啊，一张你的照片跃然纸上，佩服。
【在 t********a 的大作中提到】
:
: 这东西还就你多, 全身都是, 每个上面插一marker, 还流淌着五颜六色的DNA.
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s*****l
发帖数: 1844 | 51 Why don't you do law work since you get a JD? confused....
too
I
【在 D******8 的大作中提到】
: Thanks for the input. How about being a trader? Will it make difference?
: Or any other choices in the financial industry?
:
: As
: if
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t********a
发帖数: 810 | 52 呵呵, 这个六角亭出来的大妈, 对我老攻击得很执着. 天天PMS不是你的错, 生一群住
短合子的出来骚扰人就是你不对料.
【在 b********n 的大作中提到】
:
: 你怎么描述自己描述的这么精确啊，一张你的照片跃然纸上，佩服。
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s*****l
发帖数: 1844 | 53 holly cow, why do you get a JD and treat it like a garbage?
is
can
low-
【在 D******8 的大作中提到】
: Thank you for the detailed reply. It would have taken me hours for typing
: so much in Chinese.
: What I also heard is that MBA education does not change one as a person.
: Most people come out almost the same as they were when they started the
: program. I treat it as a step to get me into the door. Not sure if this is
: correct. So I am not planning to take MBA to make myself better. I just
: finished a JD last year and have enough with schools. If an MBA degree can
: get me into another field, then
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D******8
发帖数: 114 | 54 I did not obtain a JD for the purpose of becoming a lawyer, although I can be if there is a right opportunity. A JD can also help in other fields and in daily life. The reason I mentioned that I wasted the time is because the benefits I gained are not sufficient compared with the time it took.
【在 s*****l 的大作中提到】
: holly cow, why do you get a JD and treat it like a garbage?
:
: is
: can
: low-
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t********a
发帖数: 810 | 55 didnt realize this guy has a JD.
but if he has a JD and cannot make good use of it then its even less likely
he will be successful with a career change.
【在 s*****l 的大作中提到】
: holly cow, why do you get a JD and treat it like a garbage?
:
: is
: can
: low-
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D******8
发帖数: 114 | 56 It is only a part-time JD from a tier3 school. With the current market for
legal jobs, even some tier1 graduates have problems. Many of my classmates
are making < $50,000 per year after graduation. I guess I am not convinced
to switch from IT to law.
likely
【在 t********a 的大作中提到】
: didnt realize this guy has a JD.
: but if he has a JD and cannot make good use of it then its even less likely
: he will be successful with a career change.
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v**m
发帖数: 706 | 57 读MBA,不是quant career. 读MFE吧。
书读多了其实没用，大部份是loser. |
D******8
发帖数: 114 | 58
Thanks for the input. I do not specifically want to be a quant. Is MBA
still a good choice?
I do not want to get back to school either. But if it is necessary, I have
no choice. :(
【在 v**m 的大作中提到】
: 读MBA,不是quant career. 读MFE吧。
: 书读多了其实没用，大部份是loser.
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t********a
发帖数: 810 | 59 well, if I interview somebody with this resume, I would have this question:
if this guy were seriously thinking of career change, why did he go to tier
3 school? Was it the best he could get (which means he's background is not
strong), or he did not have good judgment?
Either way, it seems to work against you.
for
classmates
convinced
【在 D******8 的大作中提到】
: It is only a part-time JD from a tier3 school. With the current market for
: legal jobs, even some tier1 graduates have problems. Many of my classmates
: are making < $50,000 per year after graduation. I guess I am not convinced
: to switch from IT to law.
:
: likely
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D******8
发帖数: 114 | 60 I admit it is a problem.
I only applied to one law school, the one I graduated from. I should have a
chance with schools ranking around Top20 with my LSAT score. Why did I not
apply to better schools? Because I was in my EB2 green card process.
Local and part-time were the two must factors for my choice, which left me
one choice.
Not sure if my JD will help with my application to good MBA program or help
me get into the financial industry. Any idea?
tier
【在 t********a 的大作中提到】
: well, if I interview somebody with this resume, I would have this question:
: if this guy were seriously thinking of career change, why did he go to tier
: 3 school? Was it the best he could get (which means he's background is not
: strong), or he did not have good judgment?
: Either way, it seems to work against you.
:
: for
: classmates
: convinced
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C**C
发帖数: 1553 | 61 Just my 2 cents. Take it with a grain of salt.
You need to know why you need an MBA before you invest your time and money.
At your age, your time is probably more valuable than your money. :-)
So ask yourself, what you can do after getting an MBA? Or maybe you can
start to do those things right now before you even get into a business
school. If you don't know the answer yourself, nobody can find the answer
for you. That is, you should know yourself better than anybody else.
If you don't know the |
C**C
发帖数: 1553 | 62 So ask yourself
1. in your career development, what you want to do in 3-5 years and what's
your goal in 10 years?
2. For the positions you want to do in 3-5 years, makes friends with those
people who are in those positions now, get their feedback on pros and cons,
how they get there and what takes to get there. They can give better
perception than those people who have never been in those positions.
3. what kind of technical skills and soft skills are needed for those
positions? then you know th |
D******8
发帖数: 114 | 63 Thanks a lot for the advices.
,
out
【在 C**C 的大作中提到】
: So ask yourself
: 1. in your career development, what you want to do in 3-5 years and what's
: your goal in 10 years?
: 2. For the positions you want to do in 3-5 years, makes friends with those
: people who are in those positions now, get their feedback on pros and cons,
: how they get there and what takes to get there. They can give better
: perception than those people who have never been in those positions.
: 3. what kind of technical skills and soft skills are needed for those
: positions? then you know th
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D******8
发帖数: 114 | 64
.
Thanks for the input. I guess my idea about what I can do after an MBA is
still not clear. What I have in my mind is that supposed I can get admitted
into a top MBA program, I will try to get into an investment bank or fund
after graduation. I am not necessarily aiming at quants. Other analyst/
associate positions are fine too if I can get it. Then I will work my way
up from there. I know the above may sound premature or too abstract. That
is why I am trying to get some advices from in
【在 C**C 的大作中提到】
: Just my 2 cents. Take it with a grain of salt.
: You need to know why you need an MBA before you invest your time and money.
: At your age, your time is probably more valuable than your money. :-)
: So ask yourself, what you can do after getting an MBA? Or maybe you can
: start to do those things right now before you even get into a business
: school. If you don't know the answer yourself, nobody can find the answer
: for you. That is, you should know yourself better than anybody else.
: If you don't know the
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D******8
发帖数: 114 | 65
How about being a trader in 3-5 years? Or do they have associate trader or
assistant trader positions? If an MBA is not required for those positions,
I am happy to skip it. But I do not see why they would hire me instead of
someone else if I do not have something different. Pardon me if this sounds
ignorance. I know little about finance now.
This is definitely a good idea. I will see what I can do. I am in IT field
now and do not know anyone working in the financial industry. This BBS
b
【在 C**C 的大作中提到】
: So ask yourself
: 1. in your career development, what you want to do in 3-5 years and what's
: your goal in 10 years?
: 2. For the positions you want to do in 3-5 years, makes friends with those
: people who are in those positions now, get their feedback on pros and cons,
: how they get there and what takes to get there. They can give better
: perception than those people who have never been in those positions.
: 3. what kind of technical skills and soft skills are needed for those
: positions? then you know th
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C**C
发帖数: 1553 | 66 You need to redo your homework on question #1.
When you say "how about", it indicates that you are not clear about what you
want to do in 3-5 years. You just choose any random title in your minds.
Actually, before you try to find an answer for Q#1, you need to know why you
want that position in 3-5 years. Or be more clear, what you are pursuing
for after this career change - money-wise, better job security, more
technical challenge or better fit of your personality etc.. That's why I say
you are
【在 D******8 的大作中提到】
:
: How about being a trader in 3-5 years? Or do they have associate trader or
: assistant trader positions? If an MBA is not required for those positions,
: I am happy to skip it. But I do not see why they would hire me instead of
: someone else if I do not have something different. Pardon me if this sounds
: ignorance. I know little about finance now.
: This is definitely a good idea. I will see what I can do. I am in IT field
: now and do not know anyone working in the financial industry. This BBS
: b
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C**C
发帖数: 1553 | 67 I'm an engineer in a traditional industry, not in finance field at all. I'm
not the one who can answer your MBA or finance questions.
The only suggestion I can give you is trying to utilize your past 10 years
experience and your JD education to find the niche for you to shine (make
yourself marketable and unique). Try not just to compete with a fresh
college graduate. If you have to do so, that means you do waste your past 10
years + time and money invested to a JD degree.
Good luck.
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D******8
发帖数: 114 | 68 Thank you.
I'm
years
(make
past 10
【在 C**C 的大作中提到】
: I'm an engineer in a traditional industry, not in finance field at all. I'm
: not the one who can answer your MBA or finance questions.
: The only suggestion I can give you is trying to utilize your past 10 years
: experience and your JD education to find the niche for you to shine (make
: yourself marketable and unique). Try not just to compete with a fresh
: college graduate. If you have to do so, that means you do waste your past 10
: years + time and money invested to a JD degree.
: Good luck.
: ******
: End
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l****c
发帖数: 782 | 69 楼主没有想过试试patent lawyer？ 十年engineer+JD，市场前景应该很好啊。 |
D******8
发帖数: 114 | 70 Thanks for the idea. I took Patent Law and am not interested in it.
Patent docs can be very lengthy, dry and boring. I would rather stay in
IT.
【在 l****c 的大作中提到】
: 楼主没有想过试试patent lawyer？ 十年engineer+JD，市场前景应该很好啊。
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p***t
发帖数: 33 | 71 昨天敲的丢了，今天就又看到不错的回文。我也说说，不对的请别介意。
我觉得COSC说的诚恳而且说到点子上。我的感觉楼主其实很大的感觉是人云亦云，盲目
跟风，只是听说中国人说哪个圈子好就往哪里去
TOP MBA不是想象中那么难但关键你具体要做什么，其实中国人中白手起家的富豪级人
物大部分都是做技术的，不过不是每个人都可以的
不论哪个行业，不论什么学位，SOFT SKILL 都很重要，在某个岗位上为什么别人可以
被提升作管理，这些其实都是需要想想的，同样的你已经有了JD 为什么英文的写作看
来不够一定的LEVEL，把这些都抓起来，对你未来的工作或者学习都是真正的提升，否
则即便从一个TOPMBA 出来，也将会有新的困境在工作岗位上。这些只需要平时的积累
就可以，
似乎你提到你是单身，我个人觉得其实一切都是过眼云烟，只有幸福的家庭和可爱的孩
子才是你真正的幸福和一生最大的成就，不要错过了你人生中真正重要的东西！
再拖就晚了
如果我记错了，你有家，那就多花点时间陪陪她们，你前面的学位已经花了满多时间了
最后，祝广大求变的同胞梦想成真 |
D******8
发帖数: 114 | 72 Thanks a lot for the good advice. Sorry I am responding in English
again. I can only type in Chinese very slowly. I used to be able to
input 50-60 characters per minute but that was 12 years ago.
I received lots of sincere advice from many kind people here. I am
really glad that I had this discussion before I jump to any conclusion.
Btw, it looks like everyone prefers family over career, which I do not
quite understand. :( :)
【在 p***t 的大作中提到】
: 昨天敲的丢了，今天就又看到不错的回文。我也说说，不对的请别介意。
: 我觉得COSC说的诚恳而且说到点子上。我的感觉楼主其实很大的感觉是人云亦云，盲目
: 跟风，只是听说中国人说哪个圈子好就往哪里去
: TOP MBA不是想象中那么难但关键你具体要做什么，其实中国人中白手起家的富豪级人
: 物大部分都是做技术的，不过不是每个人都可以的
: 不论哪个行业，不论什么学位，SOFT SKILL 都很重要，在某个岗位上为什么别人可以
: 被提升作管理，这些其实都是需要想想的，同样的你已经有了JD 为什么英文的写作看
: 来不够一定的LEVEL，把这些都抓起来，对你未来的工作或者学习都是真正的提升，否
: 则即便从一个TOPMBA 出来，也将会有新的困境在工作岗位上。这些只需要平时的积累
: 就可以，
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s******3
发帖数: 28 | 73 我很少在MITBBS上发言，但我看得出楼主是真心希望得到ADVICE，而且也很open-
minded。不象不少人，其实自己希望得到某个答案，看到了不同的意见，就很不爱听。
我不是quant, 也不在financial industry，我只是想给你一些比较recent的MBA就
业数据。我对这个方面多少有些了解，因为我妹妹今年才从一个top 5 MBA program毕
业。
她和你的背景还是很象的，不过我们家移民美国很早，她是在美国上的小学，中文是半
文盲。她也是大学读ＩＴ，毕业后做了６－７年IT consulting。她很能干，也算是很
成功，６年就升到了senior manager， 在她那个行业应该是很快的。她后来也是干烦
了，就去了一个名校念了ＭＢＡ，今年刚刚毕业。
现在的ＭＢＡ job market非常不好。她们学校尽管是名校，３０％的毕业生在毕
业的时候都没有找到工作。辞了本来很好的工作，花了二年时间和十几万的学费，毕业
后居然找不到工作，你想这样的人压力有多大？而这样人能进ＭＢＡ名校，background
都是很强的。找到工作的人，工作一般也是和他们念ＭＢＡ前的工作有 |
D******8
发帖数: 114 | 74 Thank you very much for the info. I do not have any Top MBA graduates
in my friend circle so this is really valuable information. I
appreciate it. I am sure your sister is very smart.
If someone working in the non-quant/non-IT areas of the financial
industry
can speak up, I will appreciate it too.
【在 s******3 的大作中提到】
: 我很少在MITBBS上发言，但我看得出楼主是真心希望得到ADVICE，而且也很open-
: minded。不象不少人，其实自己希望得到某个答案，看到了不同的意见，就很不爱听。
: 我不是quant, 也不在financial industry，我只是想给你一些比较recent的MBA就
: 业数据。我对这个方面多少有些了解，因为我妹妹今年才从一个top 5 MBA program毕
: 业。
: 她和你的背景还是很象的，不过我们家移民美国很早，她是在美国上的小学，中文是半
: 文盲。她也是大学读ＩＴ，毕业后做了６－７年IT consulting。她很能干，也算是很
: 成功，６年就升到了senior manager， 在她那个行业应该是很快的。她后来也是干烦
: 了，就去了一个名校念了ＭＢＡ，今年刚刚毕业。
: 现在的ＭＢＡ job market非常不好。她们学校尽管是名校，３０％的毕业生在毕
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x****w
发帖数: 119 | 75 不错，既有道理又有实例，建议版主m之~
background
for
career
IT background, 我想她也不会有这样的offer. 她７月份已经开始上班了，她还是满喜
欢的。其实工资（base salary）和她去念ＭＢＡ前几乎是一样的，只是有股票和
potentially higher advancement opp:
东西是不是现实，有梦有追求当然是好事，但一样要grounded in reality，毕竟生活
不是小说，而其一个人的机遇是可遇而不可求的. 你只能进自己最大努力，be the
best you can be. 而你现在缺少的不
【在 s******3 的大作中提到】
: 我很少在MITBBS上发言，但我看得出楼主是真心希望得到ADVICE，而且也很open-
: minded。不象不少人，其实自己希望得到某个答案，看到了不同的意见，就很不爱听。
: 我不是quant, 也不在financial industry，我只是想给你一些比较recent的MBA就
: 业数据。我对这个方面多少有些了解，因为我妹妹今年才从一个top 5 MBA program毕
: 业。
: 她和你的背景还是很象的，不过我们家移民美国很早，她是在美国上的小学，中文是半
: 文盲。她也是大学读ＩＴ，毕业后做了６－７年IT consulting。她很能干，也算是很
: 成功，６年就升到了senior manager， 在她那个行业应该是很快的。她后来也是干烦
: 了，就去了一个名校念了ＭＢＡ，今年刚刚毕业。
: 现在的ＭＢＡ job market非常不好。她们学校尽管是名校，３０％的毕业生在毕
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x****w
发帖数: 119 | 76 另外补充一下，我认识的一哥们，CS的phd，在通信行业干了5年多，然后到Chicago念
MBA，期间大概是兼职在一个公司做trading quant，以及期货交易所做经济方面的实习
。最近刚毕业回国去了一个二档的也不错的基金吧。我觉得他的背景很不错，不知道回
国是不是因为个人偏好或者有更好的待遇/发展。
不错，既有道理又有实例，建议版主m之~
background
for
career
IT background, 我想她也不会有这样的offer. 她７月份已经开始上班了，她还是满喜
欢的。其实工资（base salary）和她去念ＭＢＡ前几乎是一样的，只是有股票和
potentially higher advancement opp:
东西是不是现实，有梦有追求当然是好事，但一样要grounded in reality，毕竟生活
不是小说，而其一个人的机遇是可遇而不可求的. 你只能进自己最大努力，be the
best you can be. 而你现在缺少的不
【在 x****w 的大作中提到】
: 不错，既有道理又有实例，建议版主m之~
:
: background
: for
: career
: IT background, 我想她也不会有这样的offer. 她７月份已经开始上班了，她还是满喜
: 欢的。其实工资（base salary）和她去念ＭＢＡ前几乎是一样的，只是有股票和
: potentially higher advancement opp:
: 东西是不是现实，有梦有追求当然是好事，但一样要grounded in reality，毕竟生活
: 不是小说，而其一个人的机遇是可遇而不可求的. 你只能进自己最大努力，be the
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b********n
发帖数: 609 | 77 very well said, MBA is loser's game.
【在 s******3 的大作中提到】
: 我很少在MITBBS上发言，但我看得出楼主是真心希望得到ADVICE，而且也很open-
: minded。不象不少人，其实自己希望得到某个答案，看到了不同的意见，就很不爱听。
: 我不是quant, 也不在financial industry，我只是想给你一些比较recent的MBA就
: 业数据。我对这个方面多少有些了解，因为我妹妹今年才从一个top 5 MBA program毕
: 业。
: 她和你的背景还是很象的，不过我们家移民美国很早，她是在美国上的小学，中文是半
: 文盲。她也是大学读ＩＴ，毕业后做了６－７年IT consulting。她很能干，也算是很
: 成功，６年就升到了senior manager， 在她那个行业应该是很快的。她后来也是干烦
: 了，就去了一个名校念了ＭＢＡ，今年刚刚毕业。
: 现在的ＭＢＡ job market非常不好。她们学校尽管是名校，３０％的毕业生在毕
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