i*****a
发帖数: 7272 | 1 have been in the non-working mood for almost half a year, a lot of anxieties
now (at my dissertation phase)
spent a lot of time on the internet
sleep has been worse, cannot fall asleep till 3am
too much online shopping
still no doctor, no medicine
still dream of overcoming this by myself
Is it possible? |
c**r
发帖数: 10001 | 2 why not go to see a doctor? He may help you out of your current difficulty
earlier. Procrastination or minor depression mood themselves can recover
through self-help, but not severe depression, in which case you are not
yourself any more, so there's no one to depend on when you wish you can
depend yourself only.
anxieties
【在 i*****a 的大作中提到】
: have been in the non-working mood for almost half a year, a lot of anxieties
: now (at my dissertation phase)
: spent a lot of time on the internet
: sleep has been worse, cannot fall asleep till 3am
: too much online shopping
: still no doctor, no medicine
: still dream of overcoming this by myself
: Is it possible?
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i*****a
发帖数: 7272 | 3 Thanks for your quick response...
I may be too skeptical about seeing a shrink. I have no clue of how they can
be of any help with my real-world problems. I mean, my friends can play a
role of listener if communication is what a shrink does most of the time.
correct me if i am wrong
【在 c**r 的大作中提到】
: why not go to see a doctor? He may help you out of your current difficulty
: earlier. Procrastination or minor depression mood themselves can recover
: through self-help, but not severe depression, in which case you are not
: yourself any more, so there's no one to depend on when you wish you can
: depend yourself only.
:
: anxieties
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c**r
发帖数: 10001 | 4 a good psychologist can probably provide you more than what your friend
can do, helping you to gain more insight of yourself and the problems you
are facing. If you really find the current situation very difficult, why
not just give it a try?
can
【在 i*****a 的大作中提到】
: Thanks for your quick response...
: I may be too skeptical about seeing a shrink. I have no clue of how they can
: be of any help with my real-world problems. I mean, my friends can play a
: role of listener if communication is what a shrink does most of the time.
: correct me if i am wrong
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i*****a
发帖数: 7272 | 5 i may need to seriously think about this...it is just frustrating to admit
that slef control or self help didnt work....
anyway, i will keep updated here to see how bad things will get
【在 c**r 的大作中提到】
: a good psychologist can probably provide you more than what your friend
: can do, helping you to gain more insight of yourself and the problems you
: are facing. If you really find the current situation very difficult, why
: not just give it a try?
:
: can
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c**r
发帖数: 10001 | 6 you will still need to work hard on your own, even with professional help.
It's just that self-help may not be sufficient when a person turns into
major depression stage. Your own self-control and self-caring are still the
most importantt things, just consider therapist as a tool, which makes you
finish your work faster and easier, :)
【在 i*****a 的大作中提到】
: i may need to seriously think about this...it is just frustrating to admit
: that slef control or self help didnt work....
: anyway, i will keep updated here to see how bad things will get
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i*****a
发帖数: 7272 | 7 i think i will
thanks...
the
【在 c**r 的大作中提到】
: you will still need to work hard on your own, even with professional help.
: It's just that self-help may not be sufficient when a person turns into
: major depression stage. Your own self-control and self-caring are still the
: most importantt things, just consider therapist as a tool, which makes you
: finish your work faster and easier, :)
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t*******n
发帖数: 4445 | 8 Considering your dissertation etc., some of your experiences are
understandable.
To decide whether to get professional help or not, you'll have to do some
assessment:
1. Are these seriously interfering with your school work (remember that
nobody can focus 100% all the time) or sense of well-being?
2. How much external support do you have (family, relationships &
friendships that are helpful and nurturing to you)? The more you have, the
more likely & sooner you can pull through on your own.
3. M
【在 i*****a 的大作中提到】
: have been in the non-working mood for almost half a year, a lot of anxieties
: now (at my dissertation phase)
: spent a lot of time on the internet
: sleep has been worse, cannot fall asleep till 3am
: too much online shopping
: still no doctor, no medicine
: still dream of overcoming this by myself
: Is it possible?
|
i*****a
发帖数: 7272 | 9 Thanks for pushing
I just walked across the hall and made an appointment for next Monday..will
update here |
i*****a
发帖数: 7272 | 10 1. Are these seriously interfering with your school work (remember that
nobody can focus 100% all the time) or sense of well-being? |
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t*******n
发帖数: 4445 | 11 Try not to do too much at a time. Just one thing here and another thing
there, when you feel like trying something new. Talking a walk on a sunny
afternoon is more feasible than resolving to doing 2 hrs of cardio everyday.
On wasting time hanging out: you may consider setting aside certain time
under certain conditions (e.g. 30 minutes online shopping, after
proofreading Chapter X).
Keep talking to other dissertation writers -- at least to remind yourself
that you are not alone in this. I wen
【在 i*****a 的大作中提到】
: 1. Are these seriously interfering with your school work (remember that
: nobody can focus 100% all the time) or sense of well-being?
|
i*****a
发帖数: 7272 | 12 my advisor said the same thing yesterday "you cannnt expect yourself to work
18 hours a day"...hell no! i had no guts to tell him my shameful working
hours
interestingly, another girl who seemed more procrasnating based on the
progress of work, said proudly in the meeting that she had been working hard
....OMG, maybe i should be more positive
didnt sleep until 6am last nite...
everyday.
【在 t*******n 的大作中提到】
: Try not to do too much at a time. Just one thing here and another thing
: there, when you feel like trying something new. Talking a walk on a sunny
: afternoon is more feasible than resolving to doing 2 hrs of cardio everyday.
: On wasting time hanging out: you may consider setting aside certain time
: under certain conditions (e.g. 30 minutes online shopping, after
: proofreading Chapter X).
: Keep talking to other dissertation writers -- at least to remind yourself
: that you are not alone in this. I wen
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t*******n
发帖数: 4445 | 13 He said "EXPECT".
If one has an unrealistic expectation, probably he/she will fail to meet it,
then feel upset/depressed/guilty. The negative emotional state will cause
this person to be even less productive. Sometimes instead of readjusting
the expectation, the person sets the standard even higher, and starts a
vicious cycle.
When working on stuff that really requires a lot of focus, I'd say 3-4 hrs a
day is very good (not counting busy work like backup and reference checking
). In the case
【在 i*****a 的大作中提到】
: my advisor said the same thing yesterday "you cannnt expect yourself to work
: 18 hours a day"...hell no! i had no guts to tell him my shameful working
: hours
: interestingly, another girl who seemed more procrasnating based on the
: progress of work, said proudly in the meeting that she had been working hard
: ....OMG, maybe i should be more positive
: didnt sleep until 6am last nite...
:
: everyday.
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i*****a
发帖数: 7272 | 14 good....find the little monster "expectation"....hopefully, the shrink i
will see next week can help me identify other monsters
it,
cause
a
checking
【在 t*******n 的大作中提到】
: He said "EXPECT".
: If one has an unrealistic expectation, probably he/she will fail to meet it,
: then feel upset/depressed/guilty. The negative emotional state will cause
: this person to be even less productive. Sometimes instead of readjusting
: the expectation, the person sets the standard even higher, and starts a
: vicious cycle.
: When working on stuff that really requires a lot of focus, I'd say 3-4 hrs a
: day is very good (not counting busy work like backup and reference checking
: ). In the case
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T*******x
发帖数: 8565 | 15
a
checking
我同意。一天能够集中注意力3，4个小时，那无事不办。
大多数人做不到。所以不要要求太高。
【在 t*******n 的大作中提到】
: He said "EXPECT".
: If one has an unrealistic expectation, probably he/she will fail to meet it,
: then feel upset/depressed/guilty. The negative emotional state will cause
: this person to be even less productive. Sometimes instead of readjusting
: the expectation, the person sets the standard even higher, and starts a
: vicious cycle.
: When working on stuff that really requires a lot of focus, I'd say 3-4 hrs a
: day is very good (not counting busy work like backup and reference checking
: ). In the case
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s****y
发帖数: 1574 | 16 I'm in the dissertation phase, but I am NOT writing my dissertation at all.
I know how busy life would be after graduation. So I just want to enjoy this
special period when I can enjoy most freedom.
Does my procrastination worry me? Oh yea, but not that much. |
i*****a
发帖数: 7272 | 17 happy to hear that not everyone suffers as much as i do
.
this
【在 s****y 的大作中提到】
: I'm in the dissertation phase, but I am NOT writing my dissertation at all.
: I know how busy life would be after graduation. So I just want to enjoy this
: special period when I can enjoy most freedom.
: Does my procrastination worry me? Oh yea, but not that much.
|
i*****a
发帖数: 7272 | 18 Thanks! at this point I can only manage less than 2 hours...
【在 T*******x 的大作中提到】
:
: a
: checking
: 我同意。一天能够集中注意力3，4个小时，那无事不办。
: 大多数人做不到。所以不要要求太高。
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i*****a
发帖数: 7272 | 19 I went to see the psychologist this afternoon. We spent an hour together....
most of time, i was talking...and a little bit emotional (blush)
i told him that i hope the sessions will help me get things done instead of
only finding reasons why i cannot work efficiently....cause i basically know
why....
anyway, he asked me to meet him again on friday. although i kinda wonder
what makes him to think i need seeing a shrink twice a week (is this normal?)
, i said yes.
will keep updated here |
T*******x
发帖数: 8565 | 20
..
of
know
normal?)
Your updates will be really helpful for others.
I'm interested in what a "shrink" can do for you.
Thanks.
【在 i*****a 的大作中提到】
: I went to see the psychologist this afternoon. We spent an hour together....
: most of time, i was talking...and a little bit emotional (blush)
: i told him that i hope the sessions will help me get things done instead of
: only finding reasons why i cannot work efficiently....cause i basically know
: why....
: anyway, he asked me to meet him again on friday. although i kinda wonder
: what makes him to think i need seeing a shrink twice a week (is this normal?)
: , i said yes.
: will keep updated here
|
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i*****a
发帖数: 7272 | 21 today.
basically the shrink told me that my depression is pretty severe and he
suggested me to take medication
i said no.
my life has been through quite a lot emotional and mental ups and downs....
almost everytime I got out of the unhappy situation by working on myself. I
told him that if I have to use some medicine to see the world and face
myself, i would rather get stuck in depression, at least that is my true
feeling
i know i sound silly here...but that is me...i just want to accept who i a |
p***l
发帖数: 196 | 22 am.
Hey, don't think like this!!! I was like this for almost two years if not
more than that...
我实际上从２００６年就开始不干活，大片大片的浪费时间，拖拉拖拉拖拉，玩，我特
别会自己跟自己玩，有很多爱好，面对老板和学业充满了惭愧，觉得自己如烂泥一样（
事实上也是如此），最近我集中了大量的火力来思考自己，自己的过去，特别是童年和
大学这两个阶段，找自己的长处和真正的自己，自己的愿望，理想，能力，不足。也读
了一些书，还有本版上的一些文章，我不得不说是有帮助的。我改变了一个重要的想法
就是我再不认为自己是无法改变的，再也不认为我自己是救治不了自己的了。关键是自
己的想法，学会愚蠢的听从简单的指令而不去深入思考太多（这不意味着放弃思考自己
的经历并发现原因），procastination都是有原因的，我不相信你从幼年就是这样的。
我深深理解你的痛苦，我本人也在二月份看了医生，开始了ADHD的治疗，还没有到药物
那一步，只是刚确诊而已。不过我已经不想去了，我觉得我自己能行，我开始慢慢的变
得对自己有 |
t*******g
发帖数: 1301 | 23 good!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
2007年11月到12月----偶也基本如此，但是当时我更痛苦的是，有爱好但是没法去做
能自娱自乐----独立自主多好。。。不必看别人的脸色形式
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
在lab/工作中是不是只有变得愚蠢，才能混得下去？？不想变成机器人啊
。。。
【在 p***l 的大作中提到】
: am.
: Hey, don't think like this!!! I was like this for almost two years if not
: more than that...
: 我实际上从２００６年就开始不干活，大片大片的浪费时间，拖拉拖拉拖拉，玩，我特
: 别会自己跟自己玩，有很多爱好，面对老板和学业充满了惭愧，觉得自己如烂泥一样（
: 事实上也是如此），最近我集中了大量的火力来思考自己，自己的过去，特别是童年和
: 大学这两个阶段，找自己的长处和真正的自己，自己的愿望，理想，能力，不足。也读
: 了一些书，还有本版上的一些文章，我不得不说是有帮助的。我改变了一个重要的想法
: 就是我再不认为自己是无法改变的，再也不认为我自己是救治不了自己的了。关键是自
: 己的想法，学会愚蠢的听从简单的指令而不去深入思考太多（这不意味着放弃思考自己
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t*******n
发帖数: 4445 | 24 Antidepressant is kind of like painkiller, making one feel less terrible for
a short term in order to facilitate the normal adjustment process. It's
not meant to be used for long term maintenance. Some choose to take it and
some don't. Nothing is wrong with either choice.
Just curious, what is the credential of this shrink? It seems that those
are licensed to give prescriptions (M.D., psychiatrist) recommend medication
more readily than those who aren't (psychologist, social worker).
I
am.
【在 i*****a 的大作中提到】
: today.
: basically the shrink told me that my depression is pretty severe and he
: suggested me to take medication
: i said no.
: my life has been through quite a lot emotional and mental ups and downs....
: almost everytime I got out of the unhappy situation by working on myself. I
: told him that if I have to use some medicine to see the world and face
: myself, i would rather get stuck in depression, at least that is my true
: feeling
: i know i sound silly here...but that is me...i just want to accept who i a
|
i*****a
发帖数: 7272 | 25 He is a psychologist. He was trying to refer me to a psychatrist to get
medication.
I am kinda disappointed by him....maybe it is too early to say so after only
seeing him twice....but i dont think he's trying to solve this problem by
doing therapies alone...he jumped to the solution of medication, i think,
too quick without making enough efforts to help me find my innner strength
to deal with depression
for
and
medication
【在 t*******n 的大作中提到】
: Antidepressant is kind of like painkiller, making one feel less terrible for
: a short term in order to facilitate the normal adjustment process. It's
: not meant to be used for long term maintenance. Some choose to take it and
: some don't. Nothing is wrong with either choice.
: Just curious, what is the credential of this shrink? It seems that those
: are licensed to give prescriptions (M.D., psychiatrist) recommend medication
: more readily than those who aren't (psychologist, social worker).
:
: I
: am.
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i*****a
发帖数: 7272 | 26 i think we are kinda on the same page:
1. still trust our own ability to get through this
2. used to be OK in self discipline or self control
3. trying to solve the current problem by examining the past and gaining the
innner strength
4. very (maybe over) confident that depression can be overcome without
exactly following doctor's suggestions
what i am doing now:
1. will still see the psychologist once a week...question his approach so
that i can gain more understanding on how he is trying to he
【在 p***l 的大作中提到】
: am.
: Hey, don't think like this!!! I was like this for almost two years if not
: more than that...
: 我实际上从２００６年就开始不干活，大片大片的浪费时间，拖拉拖拉拖拉，玩，我特
: 别会自己跟自己玩，有很多爱好，面对老板和学业充满了惭愧，觉得自己如烂泥一样（
: 事实上也是如此），最近我集中了大量的火力来思考自己，自己的过去，特别是童年和
: 大学这两个阶段，找自己的长处和真正的自己，自己的愿望，理想，能力，不足。也读
: 了一些书，还有本版上的一些文章，我不得不说是有帮助的。我改变了一个重要的想法
: 就是我再不认为自己是无法改变的，再也不认为我自己是救治不了自己的了。关键是自
: 己的想法，学会愚蠢的听从简单的指令而不去深入思考太多（这不意味着放弃思考自己
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t*******g
发帖数: 1301 | 27 天助自助者
only
【在 i*****a 的大作中提到】
: He is a psychologist. He was trying to refer me to a psychatrist to get
: medication.
: I am kinda disappointed by him....maybe it is too early to say so after only
: seeing him twice....but i dont think he's trying to solve this problem by
: doing therapies alone...he jumped to the solution of medication, i think,
: too quick without making enough efforts to help me find my innner strength
: to deal with depression
:
: for
: and
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T*******x
发帖数: 8565 | 28
the
我觉得你的见解很成熟，目标很明确。
你肯定能克服你遇到的困难。
【在 i*****a 的大作中提到】
: i think we are kinda on the same page:
: 1. still trust our own ability to get through this
: 2. used to be OK in self discipline or self control
: 3. trying to solve the current problem by examining the past and gaining the
: innner strength
: 4. very (maybe over) confident that depression can be overcome without
: exactly following doctor's suggestions
: what i am doing now:
: 1. will still see the psychologist once a week...question his approach so
: that i can gain more understanding on how he is trying to he
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i*****a
发帖数: 7272 | 29 did we ever have such a conversation?....hmm, i guess it was somebody
else |
d***y
发帖数: 263 | 30 sorry, my mistake. several folks on SF board asked me before, and I don't
remember them clearly.
【在 i*****a 的大作中提到】
: did we ever have such a conversation?....hmm, i guess it was somebody
: else
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i*****a
发帖数: 7272 | |
p***l
发帖数: 196 | 32 嘿嘿。不变机器人的唯一的道路就是主观能动性，但是产生这个需要更加强大原始的力
量，我是不具备这种原始的力量的，因为最开始接触自己的subject的时候自己长歪了
。要想纠正这个（先不说为什么我们要纠正这个）实在不是容易的。
如果能变成一个机器人，在我的case,也是最好的solution了，可惜，我tmd（sorry)有
太多自己的爱好，跟小孩一样顽劣，每天来到实验室装成一个大人，然后----做伟大的
实验研究。
我还特别讨厌看别人脸色干活，因为我从小到大，妈妈爸爸就没有管教过我，所以我生
性顽劣，我不习惯听从指令。可惜，我发现成人的世界是一个指令的世界，不仅要听从
协调别人的，还要听从协调来源于自己的少数的可执行指令。
我下辈子一定不做人了，我的梦想是到花果山做个代王(dai字怎么写的？)
~~
【在 t*******g 的大作中提到】
: good!
:
: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: ~~
: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: 2007年11月到12月----偶也基本如此，但是当时我更痛苦的是，有爱好但是没法去做
: 能自娱自乐----独立自主多好。。。不必看别人的脸色形式
: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
: 在lab/工作中是不是只有变得愚蠢，才能混得下去？？不想变成机器人啊
: 。。。
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i*****a
发帖数: 7272 | |
i*****a
发帖数: 7272 | 34 Third session
we were talking about what i did last week...and i told the psychologist i
was kinda back on track last week and didnt know how long this was gonna
last...
he said he respected my decision on focusing on the work i need do instead
of dealing with my many personal problems at once
i asked the question i ve had in mind for a while: how a psychologist or a
psychiatrist is supposed to help people like me?...i didnt get a very clear
clue...will keep trying next time
【在 i*****a 的大作中提到】
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