E*n
发帖数: 351 | 1 倪湛舸在芝加哥大学学习神学，以前只读过她的短文（出版过合集《黑暗中相逢》），偶
尔见到这首诗，一直想与人分享。希望她不会介意我转载在这里吧。
玫瑰是玫瑰是玫瑰是玫瑰
倪湛舸
A rose is a rose is a rose is a rose.
You can love a name and if you love a name then saying that name any
number of times only makes you love it more, more violently more persistently
more tormentedly.
—Gertrude Stein
白马非马，玫瑰是玫瑰
难道只是诡辩？我们注定与身外的世界对立
为建筑藏匿之巢而滥伐词语的丛林
风雨于四十九年后停息，幸存者无力直腰
却有箭矢从亡祖处射来，遍地挺立起玫瑰
如同火柴和磷擦肩而过，又一个名字灼痛手指：
“玫瑰”。它与现实平行，却无需空气、阳光、或水
有这样的情人存在：早夭被打制成秘密容器 | p*******r
发帖数: 4048 | 2 I really enjoyed the poem. The torment of name, the torment of the word.
Maybe that's the torment of western culture and Christianity? In the beginning
, there is the word, but where is the world?! Is the world not yet created,
still in the breeding womb of the artist? Then what is that strange thing out
there, beyond the windows...
Would love cure it?
偶
persistently
【在 E*n 的大作中提到】
: 倪湛舸在芝加哥大学学习神学，以前只读过她的短文（出版过合集《黑暗中相逢》），偶
: 尔见到这首诗，一直想与人分享。希望她不会介意我转载在这里吧。
: 玫瑰是玫瑰是玫瑰是玫瑰
: 倪湛舸
: A rose is a rose is a rose is a rose.
: You can love a name and if you love a name then saying that name any
: number of times only makes you love it more, more violently more persistently
: more tormentedly.
: —Gertrude Stein
: 白马非马，玫瑰是玫瑰
| E*n
发帖数: 351 | 3 No, the worldly love would only wear off the poetry in you. :)
This is from Nietzsche, speaks my sentiments.
People as bad poets . Just as bad poets, in the second half of a line, look
for a thought to fit their rhyme, so people in the second half of their lives,
having become more anxious, look for the actions, attitudes, relationships
that suit those of their earlier life, so that everything will harmonize
outwardly. But then they no longer have any powerful thought to rule their
life and dete
【在 p*******r 的大作中提到】
: I really enjoyed the poem. The torment of name, the torment of the word.
: Maybe that's the torment of western culture and Christianity? In the beginning
: , there is the word, but where is the world?! Is the world not yet created,
: still in the breeding womb of the artist? Then what is that strange thing out
: there, beyond the windows...
: Would love cure it?
:
: 偶
: persistently
| p*******r
发帖数: 4048 | 4 Sorry to be inquisitive on the poetry board here, but these lines escape me.
What is meant by worldly love? Why would it wear off the poetry in me?
What is meant by poetry in me? You mean, in me, as a container, there is
actually poetry? Doesn't poetry actually happen by occasions. Maybe some spark
, then something in me reacted, then there is poetry. Before that, there is no
poetry, right? Or do you mean the powerful Dyonisian impulse when you say
poetry? When, why cannot we take on the worldly | E*n
发帖数: 351 | 5 hehe, you are thinking too much into this... Don't you believe that there's
poetry in you, as in everyone else?
Maybe it's not just worldly love, but time itself, that wears it off. You'll
certainly experience this when you get older. :)
When I looked back at me being young, and being able to react with words,
spontaneously, to just about every stupid moment in life, I call that the
poetry within.
I don't believe you can take the worldly love with so much power, there's just
too much condescendi
【在 p*******r 的大作中提到】
: Sorry to be inquisitive on the poetry board here, but these lines escape me.
: What is meant by worldly love? Why would it wear off the poetry in me?
: What is meant by poetry in me? You mean, in me, as a container, there is
: actually poetry? Doesn't poetry actually happen by occasions. Maybe some spark
: , then something in me reacted, then there is poetry. Before that, there is no
: poetry, right? Or do you mean the powerful Dyonisian impulse when you say
: poetry? When, why cannot we take on the worldly
| p*******r
发帖数: 4048 | 6
That's just because there is less pressure and worry about survival so we
could afford to live more in a world of imagination I think. Also, you had
more curiosity and energy, so you actually reacted to every moment in life
with more zeal and attention. I belive that when you achieve real
understanding of this world, you can still have that energy and curiosity, but
since you have no illusions, your poetry will be not just a random montage of
images but something that really reflects the truth
【在 E*n 的大作中提到】
: hehe, you are thinking too much into this... Don't you believe that there's
: poetry in you, as in everyone else?
: Maybe it's not just worldly love, but time itself, that wears it off. You'll
: certainly experience this when you get older. :)
: When I looked back at me being young, and being able to react with words,
: spontaneously, to just about every stupid moment in life, I call that the
: poetry within.
: I don't believe you can take the worldly love with so much power, there's just
: too much condescendi
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