n******r
发帖数: 9146 | 1 婚礼上听来的。不探讨前提假设逻辑的，妈的俺这么知书达理儿的文化人咂就说不出这
种话捏。。。 |
l**h
发帖数: 809 | 2 老强的话说的总是在理儿
【在 n******r 的大作中提到】
: 婚礼上听来的。不探讨前提假设逻辑的，妈的俺这么知书达理儿的文化人咂就说不出这
: 种话捏。。。
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A*****t
发帖数: 1594 | 3 你是应该好好学习。 知道这句话以后就不要和biaohanMM讲理，将逻辑了，要讲爱。
【在 n******r 的大作中提到】
: 婚礼上听来的。不探讨前提假设逻辑的，妈的俺这么知书达理儿的文化人咂就说不出这
: 种话捏。。。
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f**********8
发帖数: 1204 | 4 我考 老强进步了
【在 n******r 的大作中提到】
: 婚礼上听来的。不探讨前提假设逻辑的，妈的俺这么知书达理儿的文化人咂就说不出这
: 种话捏。。。
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A*****t
发帖数: 1594 | 5 你也得进步
【在 f**********8 的大作中提到】
: 我考 老强进步了
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m********n
发帖数: 3558 | 6 support
我之前去一个大妈家里做客，大妈跟一个侄子说，找老婆关键是要找讲理的，别的都
不要紧。这位大妈觉悟就很低嘛；家事哪里是讲理讲的清的，真碰到个能讲理的老婆，
老公一定被烦死了。
【在 n******r 的大作中提到】
: 婚礼上听来的。不探讨前提假设逻辑的，妈的俺这么知书达理儿的文化人咂就说不出这
: 种话捏。。。
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z*******g
发帖数: 416 | 7 She meant "a gal being reasonable". It is not an easy endeavor as we all see
that such kind of ladies is endangered species probably due to the loss of
traditional Chinese virtues in current generations of female of materialism
and self-centerness.
【在 m********n 的大作中提到】
: support
: 我之前去一个大妈家里做客，大妈跟一个侄子说，找老婆关键是要找讲理的，别的都
: 不要紧。这位大妈觉悟就很低嘛；家事哪里是讲理讲的清的，真碰到个能讲理的老婆，
: 老公一定被烦死了。
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b*******M
发帖数: 2389 | 8 得了吧。你所谓的传统美德不过是指女人要服从男人，要以男人为中心。现在女性不以
男人为中心了你就觉得是女人自私了。那男人呢？男人也不以女人为中心啊，你怎么不
说男人自私？
see
of
materialism
【在 z*******g 的大作中提到】
: She meant "a gal being reasonable". It is not an easy endeavor as we all see
: that such kind of ladies is endangered species probably due to the loss of
: traditional Chinese virtues in current generations of female of materialism
: and self-centerness.
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A*********r
发帖数: 8271 | |
t****8
发帖数: 178 | 10 没法讲理，爱会慢慢淡化，男人大度点，女人别胡搅蛮缠，家务活抢着干，都别耍小孩
子脾气。
【在 A*********r 的大作中提到】
: 要讲理也要讲爱。
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m********n
发帖数: 3558 | 11 只是一方面是这个意思，你不在场。她当时illustrate 了很多应该如何在家里讲理的
细节，我才觉得她讲的没道理。
I think it is unfair to Chinese women when you say that this kind of ladies
are an endangered species. I would challenge you by asking how many women
have you/any man made an effort to really get to know to make such a
generalization?
I knew plenty of women who are reasonable but are otherwise ignored by men.
自我中心和物质的女人，当然是有的，男人也有. 如果你觉得碰到的大多是那样的女
人，而讲理的女人很少，那也要考虑一下是不是自己眼睛睁得不够大，眼光不够好。过
去所谓的 traditional virtue, 有时候会要求女性失去自我，单纯满足男性的需求，
但是不
【在 z*******g 的大作中提到】
: She meant "a gal being reasonable". It is not an easy endeavor as we all see
: that such kind of ladies is endangered species probably due to the loss of
: traditional Chinese virtues in current generations of female of materialism
: and self-centerness.
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t****8
发帖数: 178 | 12 Now you see how difficult it is to 讲理 with a female?
ladies
men.
【在 m********n 的大作中提到】
: 只是一方面是这个意思，你不在场。她当时illustrate 了很多应该如何在家里讲理的
: 细节，我才觉得她讲的没道理。
: I think it is unfair to Chinese women when you say that this kind of ladies
: are an endangered species. I would challenge you by asking how many women
: have you/any man made an effort to really get to know to make such a
: generalization?
: I knew plenty of women who are reasonable but are otherwise ignored by men.
: 自我中心和物质的女人，当然是有的，男人也有. 如果你觉得碰到的大多是那样的女
: 人，而讲理的女人很少，那也要考虑一下是不是自己眼睛睁得不够大，眼光不够好。过
: 去所谓的 traditional virtue, 有时候会要求女性失去自我，单纯满足男性的需求，
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m********n
发帖数: 3558 | 13 我写了一长段才发现你发了这个。。。。。。你够狠
【在 b*******M 的大作中提到】
: 得了吧。你所谓的传统美德不过是指女人要服从男人，要以男人为中心。现在女性不以
: 男人为中心了你就觉得是女人自私了。那男人呢？男人也不以女人为中心啊，你怎么不
: 说男人自私？
:
: see
: of
: materialism
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t****8
发帖数: 178 | 14 rather than going through all the details and sort out all the logic,
it is much easier to say -> 'yes, babe, you are right, now what do we do?'
ladies
men.
【在 m********n 的大作中提到】
: 我写了一长段才发现你发了这个。。。。。。你够狠
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d********g
发帖数: 7458 | 15 三讲教育还差一讲
【在 A*********r 的大作中提到】
: 要讲理也要讲爱。
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m********n
发帖数: 3558 | 16 我这不是正在讲理吗？我讲的没有任何一个地方是 unreasonable, 不讲道理刁蛮任性
撒娇耍泼的吧。
I think I demonstrated that women can be perfectly reasonable, but men
often don't like that, 'cause often times their reasons are not better than
women's (half of the times at least), but they are reluctant to admit that.
一个女人要讲理，首先就要有independent thinking. 不然的话连自己的“理” 都没
有，都不会想，那就不是讲理，就只会听别人的，像猫猫狗狗的一样，怎么reasonable
? 这个不是virtue.
到此就说明了家事没必要这样讲去讲去的，到最后都是公说公有理，婆说婆有理，没
完没了也不有助于感情。家里事还是大家互相谦让的好。女人顺应丈夫是“传统”，丈
夫顺应老婆是美德。
【在 t****8 的大作中提到】
: Now you see how difficult it is to 讲理 with a female?
:
: ladies
: men.
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m********n
发帖数: 3558 | 17 Yes yes that is true!
Fortunately this bbs is not a family household, so saying things out loud
here wouldn't get me into too much trouble. When a man/woman has too much
independent thinking, it's sort of difficult to withhold, HAHA
【在 t****8 的大作中提到】
: rather than going through all the details and sort out all the logic,
: it is much easier to say -> 'yes, babe, you are right, now what do we do?'
:
: ladies
: men.
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b*******M
发帖数: 2389 | 18 是啊。还是你最reasonable. 这才叫通情达理！
than
reasonable
【在 m********n 的大作中提到】
: Yes yes that is true!
: Fortunately this bbs is not a family household, so saying things out loud
: here wouldn't get me into too much trouble. When a man/woman has too much
: independent thinking, it's sort of difficult to withhold, HAHA
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A*****t
发帖数: 1594 | 19 这位汤圆就是民族虚无主义者，要好好补补历史课。 传统价值是普世的，并不是老祖
宗一拍脑袋想出来的， 下面这一段是我以前和TB讨论时看到的anglo-saxon的"
traditional value",你看和中国人的value一不一样 ？ 你也可以找找穆斯林，爱斯基
摩，非洲人的"传统"，肯定是“有过之而无不及”。
Normative Ideals
“Real” men were “self-made men” in the “good provider role” of
breadwinners (Kimmel, Manhood in America—”the making of the self-made man
” 1776-1865)
“Real” women were saintly mothers and good housekeepers, always happy and
managing family emotions by creating culture of harmony and care (Cott,
Bonds of Womanhood—”cult of
【在 m********n 的大作中提到】
: Yes yes that is true!
: Fortunately this bbs is not a family household, so saying things out loud
: here wouldn't get me into too much trouble. When a man/woman has too much
: independent thinking, it's sort of difficult to withhold, HAHA
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m********n
发帖数: 3558 | 20 Is there anything in history that says "traditions" equal "virtues"?
我嚼着你说的跟我说的都没有关系。。。。就算traditional value 都一样, 也不说
明这些value 就是virtue 啊。
俺没仔细看，怕晕。就看到那一句"good provider role", why not ask how many
Chinese men now are perfectly willing to accept this 'traditional virtue"
asked of them? 如果男人们都能欣然接受继续维持这一点，恐怕就不会指责女生们物
质主义了吧。 -- 男人要是good provider,那女人物质主义，或者以能提供给自己更好
的物质生活为择偶标准，那恐怕无可非议吧。可是不是很多男人对此很不满吗。
不过你讲的道理太多了，我有点吃不消，还是闪了。。。。。。
man
and
【在 A*****t 的大作中提到】
: 这位汤圆就是民族虚无主义者，要好好补补历史课。 传统价值是普世的，并不是老祖
: 宗一拍脑袋想出来的， 下面这一段是我以前和TB讨论时看到的anglo-saxon的"
: traditional value",你看和中国人的value一不一样 ？ 你也可以找找穆斯林，爱斯基
: 摩，非洲人的"传统"，肯定是“有过之而无不及”。
: Normative Ideals
: “Real” men were “self-made men” in the “good provider role” of
: breadwinners (Kimmel, Manhood in America—”the making of the self-made man
: ” 1776-1865)
: “Real” women were saintly mothers and good housekeepers, always happy and
: managing family emotions by creating culture of harmony and care (Cott,
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b*******M
发帖数: 2389 | 21 She didn't say this kind of tradition is unique to China ba?
man
and
【在 A*****t 的大作中提到】
: 这位汤圆就是民族虚无主义者，要好好补补历史课。 传统价值是普世的，并不是老祖
: 宗一拍脑袋想出来的， 下面这一段是我以前和TB讨论时看到的anglo-saxon的"
: traditional value",你看和中国人的value一不一样 ？ 你也可以找找穆斯林，爱斯基
: 摩，非洲人的"传统"，肯定是“有过之而无不及”。
: Normative Ideals
: “Real” men were “self-made men” in the “good provider role” of
: breadwinners (Kimmel, Manhood in America—”the making of the self-made man
: ” 1776-1865)
: “Real” women were saintly mothers and good housekeepers, always happy and
: managing family emotions by creating culture of harmony and care (Cott,
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A*****t
发帖数: 1594 | 22 我引用一下汤圆说的啊：
“What kind of "traditional virtue" or "new generation
virtue" can Chinese men proudly show to the world? If Chinese men do not
necessarily have "virtues" unpossessed by other ethnicities, why should we
ask Chinese women to possess some so-called virtues that are only asked of
Chinese women? ”
【在 b*******M 的大作中提到】
: She didn't say this kind of tradition is unique to China ba?
:
: man
: and
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b*******M
发帖数: 2389 | 23 对啊，她没说外国人没有这个传统啊
【在 A*****t 的大作中提到】
: 我引用一下汤圆说的啊：
: “What kind of "traditional virtue" or "new generation
: virtue" can Chinese men proudly show to the world? If Chinese men do not
: necessarily have "virtues" unpossessed by other ethnicities, why should we
: ask Chinese women to possess some so-called virtues that are only asked of
: Chinese women? ”
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m****k
发帖数: 286 | 24 “家是。。的地方”这话感觉就是在“讲理”
【在 n******r 的大作中提到】
: 婚礼上听来的。不探讨前提假设逻辑的，妈的俺这么知书达理儿的文化人咂就说不出这
: 种话捏。。。
|
A*****t
发帖数: 1594 | 25 那麻烦您给翻译一下，我看不懂女id写的e 文。 我还真有点儿被绕进去了。
What kind of "traditional virtue" or "new generation” can Chinese men
proudly show to the world? If Chinese men do not necessarily have "virtues"
unpossessed by other ethnicities, why should we ask Chinese women to possess
some so-called virtues that are only asked of
Chinese women?
【在 b*******M 的大作中提到】
: 对啊，她没说外国人没有这个传统啊
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b*******M
发帖数: 2389 | 26 英文我都不怎么看，不管是男的还是女的写的。
现在仔细看了看，才明白她在说啥。
不过这个不是重点了，人类所有主要文明都是经过母系社会以后进入了父系社会。男尊
女卑的思想在哪里都是传统思想。
"
possess
【在 A*****t 的大作中提到】
: 那麻烦您给翻译一下，我看不懂女id写的e 文。 我还真有点儿被绕进去了。
: What kind of "traditional virtue" or "new generation” can Chinese men
: proudly show to the world? If Chinese men do not necessarily have "virtues"
: unpossessed by other ethnicities, why should we ask Chinese women to possess
: some so-called virtues that are only asked of
: Chinese women?
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l****t
发帖数: 36289 | 27 哈哈，好。给找个不讲理的
【在 m********n 的大作中提到】
: Is there anything in history that says "traditions" equal "virtues"?
: 我嚼着你说的跟我说的都没有关系。。。。就算traditional value 都一样, 也不说
: 明这些value 就是virtue 啊。
: 俺没仔细看，怕晕。就看到那一句"good provider role", why not ask how many
: Chinese men now are perfectly willing to accept this 'traditional virtue"
: asked of them? 如果男人们都能欣然接受继续维持这一点，恐怕就不会指责女生们物
: 质主义了吧。 -- 男人要是good provider,那女人物质主义，或者以能提供给自己更好
: 的物质生活为择偶标准，那恐怕无可非议吧。可是不是很多男人对此很不满吗。
:
: 不过你讲的道理太多了，我有点吃不消，还是闪了。。。。。。
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A*****t
发帖数: 1594 | 28 1. dsb上回说说所谓“母系社会”啊，就是个杜撰！ 只有咱们用的教科书上这么写的；反正我想不出来这个所谓“母系”社会 怎样work. 男的听女的？ 男的家看孩子？女的打猎？
2. 汤圆那段话说的是 “国人在（男女定位）这个问题上有什么virtue可以show的”， 然后接着问“ 为什么对国女要有这些要求？外国女的没这些要求？” 我就引用给伊看至少100年前盎格鲁-撒克逊的传统和中国封建传统大同小异。
【在 b*******M 的大作中提到】
: 英文我都不怎么看，不管是男的还是女的写的。
: 现在仔细看了看，才明白她在说啥。
: 不过这个不是重点了，人类所有主要文明都是经过母系社会以后进入了父系社会。男尊
: 女卑的思想在哪里都是传统思想。
:
: "
: possess
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