w********2
发帖数: 632 | 1 ONCE IN A LIFETIME (hopefully, you can own 1 of these in your life)
. Coastal Optics 60mm Macro f4 (the reference lens according to DigLloyd)
. Leica 50mm APO f2 (the new one - my hope he comes in 2nd place Smiley)
. Zeiss UP 55mm f1.4 (as per photos seen at Photokina)
. Leica 180mm APO f2.8
THE LOVE OF YOUR LIFE (expensive, but so good, so irresistable)
. Leica M 90mm APO f2 / R 100mm Macro / R 60mm f 2.8
. Nikon 200mm f2 II / Canon 200mm f2 II
. Zeiss 100mm f2 Macro
. Zeiss 50mm f2 Macro
. Zeiss 21mm / 28mm f2.8
. Leica 28mm f2 Asph.
. Canon 135mm L f2 / Zeiss 135mm APO f2
A FRIEND FOREVER (loyal and never disappointing)
. Nikon 14-24mm f2.8
. Canon 24-70mm L f2.8 II
. Nikon 24mm f1.4 / Sigma 35mm HSM A f1.4 / Zeiss 35mm f1.4
. Nikon 60mm Macro / Canon 100mm L Macro
. Nikon 85mm f1.4 / Sigma 85mm f1.4
. Nikkor Micro 200mm f4
. Canon 24mm 3.5 L II / Canon 90mm L TS-E f2.8
. Fujinon 35mm f1.4 (X-Pro)
. Sony Alfa CZ 135mm f 1.8
. Voigtlander APO Lanthar 90mm f2.8 |
z********i
发帖数: 629 | 2 不要鼓吹徕卡，Leica的镜头是稀有是贵，但是不代表就锐。
主观太多，不客观。
无忌上有评测表明，徕卡的50标准镜头远不如Otus 55锐。
【在 w********2 的大作中提到】
: ONCE IN A LIFETIME (hopefully, you can own 1 of these in your life)
: . Coastal Optics 60mm Macro f4 (the reference lens according to DigLloyd)
: . Leica 50mm APO f2 (the new one - my hope he comes in 2nd place Smiley)
: . Zeiss UP 55mm f1.4 (as per photos seen at Photokina)
: . Leica 180mm APO f2.8
: THE LOVE OF YOUR LIFE (expensive, but so good, so irresistable)
: . Leica M 90mm APO f2 / R 100mm Macro / R 60mm f 2.8
: . Nikon 200mm f2 II / Canon 200mm f2 II
: . Zeiss 100mm f2 Macro
: . Zeiss 50mm f2 Macro
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w********2
发帖数: 632 | 3 leica is famous for being sharp but friendly to people. it is not my opinion
. it is a general consensus.:) |
J********o
发帖数: 17447 | 4 http://forum.xitek.com/thread-1256089-1-1-2.html
这帖子? 这帖子也是50 summilux中心锐啊.. 而且没有测50 apo summicron啊..
50 summicron asph也有20年去了...
【在 z********i 的大作中提到】
: 不要鼓吹徕卡，Leica的镜头是稀有是贵，但是不代表就锐。
: 主观太多，不客观。
: 无忌上有评测表明，徕卡的50标准镜头远不如Otus 55锐。
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w********2
发帖数: 632 | |
g****t
发帖数: 2751 | 6 大哥， 给个中文翻译
opinion
【在 w********2 的大作中提到】
: leica is famous for being sharp but friendly to people. it is not my opinion
: . it is a general consensus.:)
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z********i
发帖数: 629 | 7 真要说锐，我觉得
观音的328L II和Zeiss 135/2是第一档，top；
Zeiss Otus 55和 CN 两家的220、428 II是第二档；
接下来就是Sigma最近搞得一些黑科技S50A、S35A之流以及CN两家的一些远程大炮 540
640之类；
再接下来就是XXZP、XB2、S120-300/2.8、DZP。 |
z********i
发帖数: 629 | 8 The 50 mm. APO Summicron ASPH is a new benchmark in optical performance,
design and mechanical excellence TILL 2013.
2013年后，世界变了。
【在 w********2 的大作中提到】
: http://www.luminous-landscape.com/essays/lenses/a_new_benchmark
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z********i
发帖数: 629 | 9 f/2.0
中心：Otus和Summilux锐度与反差有提高，Otus反差好一点点，Summilux锐度貌似好一
点点。50/1.4G和50/1.2有类似提升，但属于稍低一层次。其下是Noctinux和Summicron。
边缘：Otus无疑再次胜出，其次Summicron（全开边缘与中心锐度竟然一样），接下来
是50/1.4G、Noctinux、Summilux、50/1.2。Summicron是唯一全开边缘可以接近Otus的
标头
——没看边缘 Summilux连50 1.4g都不如？
【在 J********o 的大作中提到】
: http://forum.xitek.com/thread-1256089-1-1-2.html
: 这帖子? 这帖子也是50 summilux中心锐啊.. 而且没有测50 apo summicron啊..
: 50 summicron asph也有20年去了...
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J********o
发帖数: 17447 | 10 不是说sharpness么? 都在关注最锐的part, 而且我感觉中心锐度决定一个镜头的光学
设计水准, 不然leica也可以做58mm compromise边角, 再来summilux也设计很久了也不
是给现在的微单设计的, 边角问题不只是旁轴广角才有的, 这点都有人测过了, M9
M240上50头的边角都好过转接
第二他测的这支是50 summicron asph, 20年前的东西了, 不是最新的apo summicron
11826和11141
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/86059-USA/Leica_11826_50m
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/860529-REG/Leica_11141_AP
Summicron。
【在 z********i 的大作中提到】
: f/2.0
: 中心：Otus和Summilux锐度与反差有提高，Otus反差好一点点，Summilux锐度貌似好一
: 点点。50/1.4G和50/1.2有类似提升，但属于稍低一层次。其下是Noctinux和Summicron。
: 边缘：Otus无疑再次胜出，其次Summicron（全开边缘与中心锐度竟然一样），接下来
: 是50/1.4G、Noctinux、Summilux、50/1.2。Summicron是唯一全开边缘可以接近Otus的
: 标头
: ——没看边缘 Summilux连50 1.4g都不如？
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z********i
发帖数: 629 | 11 只关心最锐的part而不是整个像场的话，很多小像场镜头要上榜了。
有几个镜头中心比 Sigma 50-150mm f/2.8 EX DC APO OS HSM或者Sigma 18-35mm f/1.
8还锐的？
【在 J********o 的大作中提到】
: 不是说sharpness么? 都在关注最锐的part, 而且我感觉中心锐度决定一个镜头的光学
: 设计水准, 不然leica也可以做58mm compromise边角, 再来summilux也设计很久了也不
: 是给现在的微单设计的, 边角问题不只是旁轴广角才有的, 这点都有人测过了, M9
: M240上50头的边角都好过转接
: 第二他测的这支是50 summicron asph, 20年前的东西了, 不是最新的apo summicron
: 11826和11141
: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/86059-USA/Leica_11826_50m
: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/860529-REG/Leica_11141_AP
:
: Summicron。
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w********2
发帖数: 632 | 12 this list is till 200mm. tele is easier to design to be sharp. |
w********2
发帖数: 632 | 13 i doubt about your deduction.
even otus 55 1.4 may have other issues, even though resolution is good
enough. the hype sigma 18-35 1.8 has a lot of issues actually.
"A few years back we used to *sigh* when a Sigma lens found its way into our
labs. However, these days are gone really. Nowadays we are usually
wondering in how far Sigma is going to embarrass the competition once more
and the Sigma 18-35mm f/1.8 DC HSM | A ("Art" Series) was no exception here.
Given its specs it was undoubtedly one of the few surprising releases
lately. The primary value prop is, of course, the ultra large aperture.
However, not only that - it also manages to deliver a very high performance
even at fully open aperture and downright excellent results at medium
aperture settings. Combined with low CAs, the quality perception is superb
and easily as good as the very best prime lenses in this category. However,
there're also downsides. The vignetting is very high at f/1.8 for instance.
And while the general bokeh blur is smooth, out-of-focus highlights aren't
quite as impressive with a rather nervous rendition. There's also some
visible bokeh fringing at large aperture although this is a rather common
behavior at such settings. The distortion characteristic is about average.
Coming back to some positive aspects, we have nothing but praise regarding
the mechanical quality of the lens. Everything is tightly assembled using
high quality materials. The non-extending zoom mechaism is certainly a
highlight. Event the AF is very snappy. "
【在 z********i 的大作中提到】
: The 50 mm. APO Summicron ASPH is a new benchmark in optical performance,
: design and mechanical excellence TILL 2013.
: 2013年后，世界变了。
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a*****t
发帖数: 1596 | |
w********2
发帖数: 632 | 15 good for portrait
【在 g****t 的大作中提到】
: 大哥， 给个中文翻译
:
: opinion
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w********2
发帖数: 632 | 16 no, to my opinion. this is other's list.
【在 a*****t 的大作中提到】
: 135L能和135APO并列? LOL
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z********i
发帖数: 629 | 17 你就好比TG，
人跟你讲道理
你对人耍流氓
人对你耍流氓
你同人谈法律
人和你讲法律
你同人谈政治
人和你讲政治
你同人谈国情
人和你讲国情
你同人谈接轨
人和你讲接轨
你同人谈文化
人和你讲文化
你同人谈孔子
人和你讲孔子
你同人谈老子
人和你讲老子
你同人装孙子
人对你装孙子
你说人是疯子
等人真的变疯子
你再同人讲道理
our
here.
performance
【在 w********2 的大作中提到】
: i doubt about your deduction.
: even otus 55 1.4 may have other issues, even though resolution is good
: enough. the hype sigma 18-35 1.8 has a lot of issues actually.
: "A few years back we used to *sigh* when a Sigma lens found its way into our
: labs. However, these days are gone really. Nowadays we are usually
: wondering in how far Sigma is going to embarrass the competition once more
: and the Sigma 18-35mm f/1.8 DC HSM | A ("Art" Series) was no exception here.
: Given its specs it was undoubtedly one of the few surprising releases
: lately. The primary value prop is, of course, the ultra large aperture.
: However, not only that - it also manages to deliver a very high performance
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w********2
发帖数: 632 | 18 haha.tg is really bad.
【在 z********i 的大作中提到】
: 你就好比TG，
: 人跟你讲道理
: 你对人耍流氓
: 人对你耍流氓
: 你同人谈法律
: 人和你讲法律
: 你同人谈政治
: 人和你讲政治
: 你同人谈国情
: 人和你讲国情
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w********2
发帖数: 632 | 19 seriously, sharpness is not only about resolution, chromatic aberration,
lightoff, distortion, saturation, contrast, all count in. |
