S******6
发帖数: 3138 | 1 孩子要上kindergarten, 正申请课后班，需要签署好几个弃权协议，包括孩子参加活动
受伤不能追究老师责任，学校可以使用孩子照片，可以与某些部门分享孩子个人信息，
读起来非常霸道，和daycare 很不一样，这个正常吗，学校都是这样吗?
如果孩子在活动中真的由于老师的责任受伤，按照这个免责 协议，家长是不是没有任
何办法了？ |
w**d
发帖数: 2334 | 2 都这样。不过不认为他们的过失不能告。你仔细读读，那些措辞很小心的。
我的理解是如果野外的camp，孩子被一只独行的蜜蜂叮了不能怪他们，
但他们带你孩子去捅马蜂窝被叮了那还是要告的。
美国诉棍不少，那样也是没办法的事。 |
k**n
发帖数: 6198 | 3 其实一定要担心，也一定有办法，不去玩呗，家里呆着呗
我家的上一年级了，领导发现一年级教室里没有厕所了，孩子们要出去上更大的公用厕
所，他很紧张，唠叨着说，这美国很乱的哈。 俺说，好办哪，第一，每天你早上起来
逼着她一定把一天的都拉完，要不第二，你天天带着去你的办公室，同时自带一个小便
池................... |
S******6
发帖数: 3138 | 4 谢谢，但是为什么肖像权，隐私权的保护也没有了 ？ 在 Daycare 时候，老师特别强
调孩子有这些权利。
【在 w**d 的大作中提到】
: 都这样。不过不认为他们的过失不能告。你仔细读读，那些措辞很小心的。
: 我的理解是如果野外的camp，孩子被一只独行的蜜蜂叮了不能怪他们，
: 但他们带你孩子去捅马蜂窝被叮了那还是要告的。
: 美国诉棍不少，那样也是没办法的事。
|
S******6
发帖数: 3138 | 5 不是玩儿，是不得已没有办法，双职工家里没有老人。学校三点多下课，没有任何选择
，只能上课后班。
【在 k**n 的大作中提到】
: 其实一定要担心，也一定有办法，不去玩呗，家里呆着呗
: 我家的上一年级了，领导发现一年级教室里没有厕所了，孩子们要出去上更大的公用厕
: 所，他很紧张，唠叨着说，这美国很乱的哈。 俺说，好办哪，第一，每天你早上起来
: 逼着她一定把一天的都拉完，要不第二，你天天带着去你的办公室，同时自带一个小便
: 池...................
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k**n
发帖数: 6198 | 6 问这里还不如问那些领导。
人力资源太少，管理方便而已。
【在 S******6 的大作中提到】
: 谢谢，但是为什么肖像权，隐私权的保护也没有了 ？ 在 Daycare 时候，老师特别强
: 调孩子有这些权利。
|
w**d
发帖数: 2334 | 7 不好意思，漏了肖像权啥的。那个在我的印象里是可以回绝的。实在不行可以单独跟他们
讨论一下。学校，daycare 算regulated？怀疑有人闹的话，以后camp也可以那样？
估计成本会上升
【在 S******6 的大作中提到】
: 谢谢，但是为什么肖像权，隐私权的保护也没有了 ？ 在 Daycare 时候，老师特别强
: 调孩子有这些权利。
|
S******6
发帖数: 3138 | 8 (以下转些网上搜到的知识）
SCHOOL LAW
School Activities and Permission Slips
In practically every school in the US, school activities and permission
slips go together like the peanut butter and jelly sandwich in a lunchbox.
They come in variety of forms and with a lot of different language. As a
general rule, though, when you sign it, you're agreeing not to hold the
school responsible if your child gets hurt during the school activity.
What Are They?
Your child almost always needs your written permission to go on field trips.
This is when she and her classmates plan to leave the school's grounds for
part or all of the regular school day. A trip to a zoo or museum are good
examples. A trip may involve an overnight stay in another city, too. A
permission slip may also be required before your child can participate in
after-school activities, especially sports.
The idea is simple: If your child is hurt during the school activity, the
school wants to avoid being sued by you to pay for your child's injury and
medical care.
Types
Permission slips generally come in one of two ways:
Blanket or general form
Informed consent form
Both types usually explain the activity you're giving your child permission
to do, as well as the date and time of the activity. Other than that, they
often work very differently.
Blanket or general permission forms usually include a complete "waiver of
liability." This is where you agree not to hold the school responsible for
any injury to your child, no matter who or what caused the accident or
injury. Even if the school, teacher, or staff member was negligent - meaning
a teacher, for example, did something she wasn't supposed to do, or didn't
do something she was supposed to do, and your child was hurt because of it.
For example, if your child was hurt at the zoo because she wasn't properly
supervised by a teacher or chaperon (negligence), the school may not be
liable for your child's injury if the permission slip you signed included a
general waiver of liability.
We say the school may not be liable because general waivers of liability
aren't liked by the courts in many states, and so the waiver may not be
enforceable. Courts don't like these waivers because they ask the parents
and the students to waive important legal rights and let schools avoid
liability for preventable injuries.
Nonetheless, the vast majority of permission slips include a general
liability waiver.
Informed consent permission slips are a bit different. Typically, they
explain the school activity and any natural or inherent risks that go along
with the activity. By signing it, you agree not to hold the school
responsible if your child is injured because of an inherent risk of the
activity. The school, however, remains liable if your child's injury was
caused by the school's negligence.
Have a school law question?
Get answers from local attorneys.
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For example, say your child's class is taking a field trip to a natural
history museum. The permission slip explains that there are caves for the
students to climb through and play in and the natural risks involved with
climbing and playing in them. If you sign the slip and your child is hurt
when:
She falls while trying to climb into a cave, and she's properly supervised,
the school likely can't be held responsible
A teacher or chaperon wasn't in the area to make sure she and the other
children were following the rules and using the caves safely and properly,
the school may be liable for her injuries if she falls and is hurt
Of course, in both examples, the zoo or museum as businesses may be liable
for your child's injury if they were negligent. For instance, if your child
fell through a deteriorated and unsafe cave floor, the museum may be
responsible for her injuries.
Longer, More Difficult Slips
It's not uncommon for permission slips to require:
Your agreement to let the school to get emergency medical treatment for your
child in case of an accident. Usually the form asks for the name and
telephone of your child's doctor and any medical conditions or allergies
your child has and any medication she's taking
Notarization, where you have to prove you're your child's parent or legal
guardian and sign your name under oath in front of a notary public. Although
a school may require a notarized signature on any permission form, it's
usually required when your child's field trip involves travel to another
city, state, or foreign country and/or includes an overnight stay or longer
Take Action and Know What You're Signing
First, when it comes time for a field trip, take the time to explain or
reinforce what you and your child have already talked about. Behave, follow
your teacher's directions, and be safe. That's usually all it takes. Most of
the time field trips go off without a hitch.
But you're busy. There's work, errands, dinner to cook, and the list goes on
. It's easy to simply sign a permission slip without reading it. After all,
you want your child to have fun with the rest of the class, right? Take the
time and read the slip. If you don't like what you see, don't sign it.
It seems odd to say, "Call your attorney," but it's not so strange. Most
schools use the same permission slip or form for every field trip or
activity. So, the one you sign when your student's in first grade may the
same when she's in the eighth grade. When you get one with a liability
waiver, ask your attorney to look at it. She can tell you how the laws in
your state treat permission slips and waivers of liability before anything
happens.
If there is an accident and your child is hurt, call your attorney no matter
kind of permission slip or waiver you signed. If your child has medical
bills or is seriously injured, the person responsible should be - and very
well could be - held accountable.
Questions for Your Attorney
I just found out my child's class has been walking several blocks to the
local public library each week. I was never asked for permission. Isn't the
school breaking some sort of law?
What might happen if a student forges a parent's name on a permission slip
and the student is hurt on the field trip?
If I write special directions or conditions on a permission slip (like "My
child has permission to go to the zoo but not to the petting zoo area"), and
my child gets hurt inside the petting zoo, is the school liable? |
S******6
发帖数: 3138 | 9 法律文本，签了就等于放弃了家长的追诉权力，只有相信学校了。
问学校领导没有意义，他们嘴巴说的话不是法律。
【在 k**n 的大作中提到】
: 问这里还不如问那些领导。
: 人力资源太少，管理方便而已。
|
S******6
发帖数: 3138 | 10 多谢，我准备至少这些应该回绝，我试试看吧。
他们
【在 w**d 的大作中提到】
: 不好意思，漏了肖像权啥的。那个在我的印象里是可以回绝的。实在不行可以单独跟他们
: 讨论一下。学校，daycare 算regulated？怀疑有人闹的话，以后camp也可以那样？
: 估计成本会上升
|
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k**n
发帖数: 6198 | 11 公立学校得经历多少风雨，才能见彩虹？你说动不动这个那个就告学区的，换成谁是校
长，最好都把丑话说在前头。只怕丑话想不全，不怕丑话说不出口
相对来说，私校也有liability，不过毕竟不是public premises,关起门来好说话。
高院打过多少官司，都是和学区有关的。去公立公校租场地的，还有比如最近上厕所的
，在我看来，公立学校一般都是被告方，而且被告理由可以层出不穷。
他们
【在 w**d 的大作中提到】
: 不好意思，漏了肖像权啥的。那个在我的印象里是可以回绝的。实在不行可以单独跟他们
: 讨论一下。学校，daycare 算regulated？怀疑有人闹的话，以后camp也可以那样？
: 估计成本会上升
|
w**d
发帖数: 2334 | 12 规矩越多，就需要政府及相关部门雇员越多，成本就越高。如果隐私真是你们很大的顾
虑，
可以和camp的人好好谈谈，建议态度柔和
【在 S******6 的大作中提到】
: 多谢，我准备至少这些应该回绝，我试试看吧。
:
: 他们
|
k**n
发帖数: 6198 | 13 俺的意思就是，签。 问领导不是问签的条款是什么，条款是自己读的。
就问一下你们为什么要签这个？这是谁起草的？问题还挺有深度的，貌似关心学区/
camp大动向和政策制定，多高大上阿。
反正基本不会改变任何现状。
照片的事，一般会同意。不过想想，如果我是老师，贴个照片上脸书给大家家长看，你
娃脸上还要遮朵花，我是老师，也会觉得不方便。 我们这得camp都是大学生看着的，
和学区还不是一起的，估计付的都是最低工薪，更没人来海选照片防止肖像权了
【在 S******6 的大作中提到】
: 法律文本，签了就等于放弃了家长的追诉权力，只有相信学校了。
: 问学校领导没有意义，他们嘴巴说的话不是法律。
|
S******6
发帖数: 3138 | 14 不是 camp, 只是学校内部的 after-school。 看来没有太多选择，都是网上注册形式
，要么你答应，要么别参加那种。刚问了一些老生家长，人家都签了 yes 了事。
【在 w**d 的大作中提到】
: 规矩越多，就需要政府及相关部门雇员越多，成本就越高。如果隐私真是你们很大的顾
: 虑，
: 可以和camp的人好好谈谈，建议态度柔和
|
S******6
发帖数: 3138 | 15 是的，问也不会改变现状。。。。。
【在 k**n 的大作中提到】
: 俺的意思就是，签。 问领导不是问签的条款是什么，条款是自己读的。
: 就问一下你们为什么要签这个？这是谁起草的？问题还挺有深度的，貌似关心学区/
: camp大动向和政策制定，多高大上阿。
: 反正基本不会改变任何现状。
: 照片的事，一般会同意。不过想想，如果我是老师，贴个照片上脸书给大家家长看，你
: 娃脸上还要遮朵花，我是老师，也会觉得不方便。 我们这得camp都是大学生看着的，
: 和学区还不是一起的，估计付的都是最低工薪，更没人来海选照片防止肖像权了
|
M********s
发帖数: 24729 | 16 正常，要不你跟学校提意见？
【在 S******6 的大作中提到】
: 孩子要上kindergarten, 正申请课后班，需要签署好几个弃权协议，包括孩子参加活动
: 受伤不能追究老师责任，学校可以使用孩子照片，可以与某些部门分享孩子个人信息，
: 读起来非常霸道，和daycare 很不一样，这个正常吗，学校都是这样吗?
: 如果孩子在活动中真的由于老师的责任受伤，按照这个免责 协议，家长是不是没有任
: 何办法了？
|
w**d
发帖数: 2334 | 17 我们这的after school program跟 学校没关系，是镇里另外一个部门负责，
trips.
【在 S******6 的大作中提到】
: (以下转些网上搜到的知识）
: SCHOOL LAW
: School Activities and Permission Slips
: In practically every school in the US, school activities and permission
: slips go together like the peanut butter and jelly sandwich in a lunchbox.
: They come in variety of forms and with a lot of different language. As a
: general rule, though, when you sign it, you're agreeing not to hold the
: school responsible if your child gets hurt during the school activity.
: What Are They?
: Your child almost always needs your written permission to go on field trips.
|
n****f
发帖数: 3580 | 18 不觉得肖像权有那么重要。又不是啥名人。 ‘和某些部门分享信息’估计也就是会向
你家发点广告。 |
n****f
发帖数: 3580 | 19 主要还是受伤。
不过一般受了伤自己的医疗保险是会管的。可能就是一些deductible.
【在 n****f 的大作中提到】
: 不觉得肖像权有那么重要。又不是啥名人。 ‘和某些部门分享信息’估计也就是会向
: 你家发点广告。
|
a*****g
发帖数: 19398 | 20 老师没责任，可以起诉学校
反正都是诉棍律师占便宜
【在 S******6 的大作中提到】
: 孩子要上kindergarten, 正申请课后班，需要签署好几个弃权协议，包括孩子参加活动
: 受伤不能追究老师责任，学校可以使用孩子照片，可以与某些部门分享孩子个人信息，
: 读起来非常霸道，和daycare 很不一样，这个正常吗，学校都是这样吗?
: 如果孩子在活动中真的由于老师的责任受伤，按照这个免责 协议，家长是不是没有任
: 何办法了？
|
a*****g
发帖数: 19398 | 21 其实要搞清楚“肖像权，隐私权”是什么
学校对照片的使用，主要是学校website, newsletter之类的发布学校活动
就是因为家长乱谈各种权，导致学校请律师堵各种口子
学校和家长一起到酱缸里面去了
【在 S******6 的大作中提到】
: 谢谢，但是为什么肖像权，隐私权的保护也没有了 ？ 在 Daycare 时候，老师特别强
: 调孩子有这些权利。
|
w**d
发帖数: 2334 | 22 就是诉棍太多。前段时间看新闻，麻州一哥们在craiglist上卖了个打印机，然后就生
不如死
【在 a*****g 的大作中提到】
: 其实要搞清楚“肖像权，隐私权”是什么
: 学校对照片的使用，主要是学校website, newsletter之类的发布学校活动
: 就是因为家长乱谈各种权，导致学校请律师堵各种口子
: 学校和家长一起到酱缸里面去了
|
