u*****a
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u*****a
发帖数: 6276 | 2 Steph F on Apr 3, 3:47 PM said:
I appreciate seeing Gunn and Palo Alto High on the list but I think what's
more newsworthy is that this ranking pays a dear price. There have been
numerous suicides at these schools in recent years and it's now an epidemic.
Since Jan 2015 we've had about a suicide a week, most often with teenagers
throwing themselves in front of the train. The community has even had to
hire a security guard who stands post 24/7 to save people from killing
themselves. What I want to see is a ranking of schools that are helping
students be mentally healthy, academically strong and emotionally sound.
That's what counts... not an AP score!!! |
i*****t
发帖数: 9074 | 3 这个排名有些奇怪，有的考试进去的学校排在里面，有的考试进去的学校又不在里面。
anyway，参考价值一般 |
w********e
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u*****a
发帖数: 6276 | 5 有道理。比如亨特学院高中就没入榜，让很多人不服。
【在 i*****t 的大作中提到】
: 这个排名有些奇怪，有的考试进去的学校排在里面，有的考试进去的学校又不在里面。
: anyway，参考价值一般
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s******8
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h*****1
发帖数: 16 | 7 Thomas Jefferson High School is a very good high school. |
p**s
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u*****a
发帖数: 6276 | 9 同意。但即使是这个学校，学生压力也很大。和加州 Palo Alto High 和 Gun High 不
同的是，Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology 的学生没有在
高中阶段去寻短见，但在大学中自杀的，也不少。随便搜了一下，就发现下面几个：
Zchary Brunt:TJHSSC Class of 2011; went to Yale; passed away in 2012.
http://yaledailynews.com/blog/2012/04/19/friends-remember-brunt
Jodan Basl: TJHSSC Class of 2011; went to University of South Carolina;
passed away in 2015.
http://www.tjtoday.org/14225/news/class-of-2011-alumnus-passes-
Lisa Yang: TJHSSC Class of 2011; went to Notre Dame; passed away in 2015.
http://www.tjtoday.org/14037/news/class-of-2011-graduate-passes
An Ton: TJHSSC Class of 2013; went to Wellesley College; passed away in 2015.
http://www.tjtoday.org/13831/news/class-of-2013-alumna-passes-a
【在 h*****1 的大作中提到】
: Thomas Jefferson High School is a very good high school.
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u*****a
发帖数: 6276 | 10 还是拿这个最聪明的高中来讨论一个问题：让孩子进这个如此高压力的高中，到底值不
值？网上的家长已经问过这个问题了，我摘几个不错的回答在下面供你参考。简单点儿
就是说：父母推不行；孩子自推的话（又热爱科学技术的），行！而且，进这种高中的
目的，不是为了爬藤，而是为了应对更高的自我挑战。
Question: How hard is it to get my son into Thomas Jefferson High School for
Science and Technology, and is it worth it?
Comment 1:
[–]PandaMomentum 14 points 5 months ago
My daughter spent a year and half at TJ before transferring back to her base
school, where she is the top student and on path to a top selective college
. So that's the basis for what I'm going to say here.
First, socially, it's fine, because everyone there is a geeky misfit and
they all know what that's like.
But second, look, if your child is not deeply fascinated by engineering,
then don't go to TJ. If your child has not already demonstrated exceptional
math abilities (which typically show by age 10) then don't go to TJ (how
many digits of pi does he have memorized? can he factor large numbers? does
he understand concepts like how the distance between prime numbers varies?
modular arithmetic? basic number theory? these should all be expressed by
middle school). If your child is not highly self motivated (again, you
should know this by now, because he will be practicing a musical instrument
more hours than you ask him to, or doing odd projects that seem to engross
him for hours, days on end) then don't go to TJ.
Because: Students learn more in the first year biology course than most
colleges teach in their first year course. Students do higher math at TJ
than almost any college undergraduate in any major, including math. The
winners of the robotics competition will match up against undergrads at
Purdue, MIT and Cal Tech. TJ music students write and arrange complex
compositions for performance.
You have never seen competition like this. Look, I went to Harvard for my
undergrad and Michigan for my grad work, as did my wife. We never saw peer
competition anything like what we saw among my daughter's peers at TJ.
Let me put it another way: you will know if you have a TJ kid because all
your kid's elementary school teachers will tell you. Your friends will know.
You will know.
Comment 2:
[–]berkeleykey 17 points 5 months ago
TJ Grad here, '07. I loved my experience at TJ. Getting in was mostly my
doing, coming from Arlington my math teachers said I should apply and with a
few of my close yet nerdy friends I did. Only about a tenth of the kids I
knew to apply were accepted.
The opportunities are one of a kind. From working on our own supercomputer
to scoring incredible internships in one of the most tech and PHD rich areas
of the country. I choose to focus my extra curricular time on sports, as it
happens we have excellent rowing, tennis, soccer, and cross country teams.
By the time I finished at TJ my love of math and science had gotten beaten/
pressured out of me, but I did find college classes spectacularly easy (UC
Berkeley '11 Political Science). Still to this day the smartest people I
know are those that went to TJ with me. I'm 25 and my high school friends
are mostly doctors, lawyers, PHD candidates, investment bankers, and Rhode
Scholars.
Kids I knew who stayed at their "base" high schools certainly did succeed,
but at a much smaller percentage.
More so than a love of math and science, your kid needs to have a strong
desire to be challenged. Good luck!
EDIT: People got along for the most part. Loners (and there are many) stuck
to themselves but kids there are too busy to bother with petty class/racial
social distinctions in any serious way.
Comment 3:
[–]AllAroundPerson 1 point 5 months ago
I am a current student at Thomas Jefferson High School. Personally, I say
that my school is the absolute best thing that has ever happened for me. I
have friends in base schools and, while we were at the same place when we
left middle school, I am light years ahead of them now and I love it. There'
s so much learning going on in the school. Vandalism is of math equations.
Students actually write out entire mulitvariable calculus problems on the
drywall(that is up for construction) I have not met a single student who I
do not enjoy talking to or that is rude. We're not a perfect school by any
means, but for a student coming into TJ, its really the best you can hope
for. My parents put forward the idea for me to apply when I was in 6th grade
, for me to mull and chew over, and I don't regret my decision. There are
groups of people all over the school willing to help you if you're having
academic issues or have an intrest in something. They'll take you under
their wing and teach and help, if you're bold enough to ask. Before TJ I had
absolutely no idea how to program, but now I attend hackathons and other
such computer related events. All because of people I met, who were willing
to teach me anything. TJ isnt for the faint of heart, though. TL;DR: If your
son is interested, do it! I live two hours away from school but I wouldnt
change for anything.
Comment 4:
[–]mmmtoastmmm 1 point 1 month ago
Yes, it's worth it.
The opportunities I got from going to TJ were amazing. Classes, extra-
curriculars, great teachers, etc. I can't speak with full confidence on what
my experience would have been if I hadn't gone, but at my base school the
only science/math/tech related clubs were robotics team and the math team.
Arguing over whether you're more likely to get into X or Y school if you
went to TJ or not is ridiculous, in my opinion. Any disadvantage that you
might incur by having to compete against your classmates (which I would
argue is close to zero) is nullified by the fact that you have more
opportunities to make yourself a more admissible candidate by being at the
school. If I hadn't gone to TJ I would not have had the same experiences
that made me a strong candidate for college admission.
But you shouldn't go to TJ because it will help you get into college. The
real value is in everything else. It was an amazing social environment.
Because we all knew we had some kind of commonality, everyone got along
amazingly (and no, non-Asian kids were not excluded socially. We were all
friends). Being around other kids who are as smart or smarter than you just
challenges you to be better.
I feel that too many people think the point of TJ is to get their child into
college/make them a "successful" person, when the school's real value is
just providing an enriching educational experience. If you are wondering
whether a 3.0 at TJ looks better or worse than a 4.0 at your base school,
you're asking the wrong question. If you think going to TJ will give your
child a great education and enable them to pursue learning in subjects that
interest them, they should go.
I will include this caveat: it's not worth it if you have no inclination or
aptitude for math, science or technology. If your son says "I hate math,"
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v********y
发帖数: 822 | 11 我儿子马上要上TJ了，
看得出来，
他很期待那里的生活。
也有几个朋友劝我说，
如果让他在本地的学校
上好大学的机会大些
我愿意他上这个学校的原因：
第一，我财迷
都是交一样的税
这个学校的学生享用
更好的设施
更优秀的老师
学到更多的东西
第二，我省心
黑帮、毒品、自杀等
概率要少
老师和同学
对自己的要求
都比别的学校高些
不管是自推还是他推
反正不用我推
跟聪明人在一起
正面的影响肯定必负面多
包括认识的女孩子
应该也主要是自推型的
第三，儿子的本质
儿子得过且过
小爱面子
凡事从不争第一
也不好意思落到后面
在哪里都是个中上水平
那么在压力大的地方
自然就效率高一点
回本地学校
就像现在一样
一天打3－4小时游戏 |
u*****a
发帖数: 6276 | 12 祝贺！
如果以后时不时给俺们讲讲你孩子在高中的经历，会帮助很多家长应对自己孩子类似的
问题：如何对待竞争？如何与人相处？如何对待来自聪明人的压力？等等。
【在 v********y 的大作中提到】
: 我儿子马上要上TJ了，
: 看得出来，
: 他很期待那里的生活。
: 也有几个朋友劝我说，
: 如果让他在本地的学校
: 上好大学的机会大些
: 我愿意他上这个学校的原因：
: 第一，我财迷
: 都是交一样的税
: 这个学校的学生享用
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t*******r
发帖数: 22634 | 13 赞！牛蛙就应该是这样的牛鼻心态。
【在 v********y 的大作中提到】
: 我儿子马上要上TJ了，
: 看得出来，
: 他很期待那里的生活。
: 也有几个朋友劝我说，
: 如果让他在本地的学校
: 上好大学的机会大些
: 我愿意他上这个学校的原因：
: 第一，我财迷
: 都是交一样的税
: 这个学校的学生享用
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t*******r
发帖数: 22634 | 14 同期待后续。。。
【在 u*****a 的大作中提到】
: 祝贺！
: 如果以后时不时给俺们讲讲你孩子在高中的经历，会帮助很多家长应对自己孩子类似的
: 问题：如何对待竞争？如何与人相处？如何对待来自聪明人的压力？等等。
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G**T
发帖数: 2610 | 15 大概扫了一遍 －－ 加州的学校（尤其是湾区），好多啊！
不是说加州公立教育远落后于东部某些州吗？ 好奇ing。
有没有人统计一下（基本数据greatschool上就有），这些超一流学校的demographics
？ 华裔的比例大概占多少？ （如果更甚，可以对比一下大学in general/藤校 in
particular 录取的demographics, 尤其是华裔比例，结果有没有可能会出乎意料？）
－ 纯好奇ing。 |
t*******r
发帖数: 22634 | 16 加州教育烂，是指平均，不是指湾区的好学区。。。小学老师都直接这么说了。。。
demographics
）
【在 G**T 的大作中提到】
: 大概扫了一遍 －－ 加州的学校（尤其是湾区），好多啊！
: 不是说加州公立教育远落后于东部某些州吗？ 好奇ing。
: 有没有人统计一下（基本数据greatschool上就有），这些超一流学校的demographics
: ？ 华裔的比例大概占多少？ （如果更甚，可以对比一下大学in general/藤校 in
: particular 录取的demographics, 尤其是华裔比例，结果有没有可能会出乎意料？）
: － 纯好奇ing。
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i*****t
发帖数: 9074 | 17 加州教育是烂，包括湾区，但架不住华人家长补习，把分数拉上去。就像老中SAT考
2400跟学校根本无关，全是补习的结果。。。。
【在 t*******r 的大作中提到】
: 加州教育烂，是指平均，不是指湾区的好学区。。。小学老师都直接这么说了。。。
:
: demographics
: ）
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t*******r
发帖数: 22634 | 18 补习班的老师比公校老师水平差远了。。。也就补补小学低年级算术计算，或者 SAT
数学这种不动脑子但求正确率的，或者补后进差生。。。
【在 i*****t 的大作中提到】
: 加州教育是烂，包括湾区，但架不住华人家长补习，把分数拉上去。就像老中SAT考
: 2400跟学校根本无关，全是补习的结果。。。。
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G**T
发帖数: 2610 | 19 Thanks! both are interesting points!
but still ... 我数了一下， 加州17个，东部教育名州马里兰1个，麻省1个，纽约有6
个，康州1个。。。。完全是超出预料的数字。。。 I guess it is good to know the
facts, no matter what the reasons may be :)
发信人: ironcat (I shall be your eyes!), 信区: Parenting
标 题: Re: 美国最聪明的公立高中排名
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Apr 21 11:36:50 2015, 美东)
加州教育是烂，包括湾区，但架不住华人家长补习，把分数拉上去。就像老中SAT考
2400跟学校根本无关，全是补习的结果。。。。
【在 t*******r 的大作中提到】
: 加州教育烂，是指平均，不是指湾区的好学区。。。小学老师都直接这么说了。。。
:
: demographics
: ）
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u*****a
发帖数: 6276 | 20 这个最聪明的学校好像很破旧，直到最近的扩建。那个 dome 很牛，的确像杰弗逊的最
爱。
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-8znozF4nfRc/VGbzGPj1_AI/AAAAAAAASns/WzuSSf7IMys/s1600/TJ%2BNov14.jpg
ALEXANDRIA, Va. (AP) - Fairfax County's prestigious Thomas Jefferson High
School for Science and Technology is planning a $90 million renovation and
expansion of its building.
The Washington Examiner reports the project will add a two-story research
wing that will house laboratories, a wave take for oceanography studies and
an optics lab with lasers. Grants and private donations are funding the
technology.
The school was built in 1964 and was last renovated in 1989. In recent years
, it had to add 25 trailers to accommodate students.
Principal Evan Glazer says new common areas with computers between
classrooms will replace hallways and computer labs. The idea is to maximize
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v********y
发帖数: 822 | 21 这所学校建在相对差一些的学区
从房地产地图上看
马路对面的小学是个3分校
我还没去过
后天是新生注册
过去看看
【在 u*****a 的大作中提到】
: 这个最聪明的学校好像很破旧，直到最近的扩建。那个 dome 很牛，的确像杰弗逊的最
: 爱。
: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-8znozF4nfRc/VGbzGPj1_AI/AAAAAAAASns/WzuSSf7IMys/s1600/TJ%2BNov14.jpg
: ALEXANDRIA, Va. (AP) - Fairfax County's prestigious Thomas Jefferson High
: School for Science and Technology is planning a $90 million renovation and
: expansion of its building.
: The Washington Examiner reports the project will add a two-story research
: wing that will house laboratories, a wave take for oceanography studies and
: an optics lab with lasers. Grants and private donations are funding the
: technology.
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z*h
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u*****a
发帖数: 6276 | 23 Cong
【在 z*h 的大作中提到】
: 我大德州奥村有两所进前10，可喜可贺！
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