w*******g
发帖数: 9932 | 1 I started to get worried about discrimination of Chinese children in school.
My 6 year old felt terrible when bullies in school and summer camp started
to use derogatory terms to call him because he is a Chinese. Do your
children have the same problem?
I think this is a very hard problem to address. Individually I try to talk
about the Chinese heritage to my son and help son develop a stronger sense
of belonging. At the same time, we need to change the overall culture that
is hostile to us.
I usually just delete messages from 80/20 but the following email's title
caught my eye. I don't really like what 80/20 advocate most of the time but
I think even individually, we need to do something.
One kid in summer camp told my son that he doesn't like Chinese and my son
got upset. I don't know how to help him. What is there anything to do? 6
year old children are already racists against Chinese and in US, this is
considered OK. Similar things happen in school as well.
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Q & A: Collectively, we failed Our children on Beckel
Q: Why is 80-20 harking back to Beckel again? This is old news.
A: Beckel demonized us, without repercussion. It set an extremely DAN-
GEROUS precedent against us. It will be an albatross around our
collective
neck FOREVER, until we've righted the wrong! The timid ones in our
community have become quiet. NOT 80-20. We'll persist.
Q: Beckel has apologized. He said he was aiming at the Chinese government.
Isn't that enough?
A: No, he lied. Beckel said, " . . the Chinese .. biggest threat ...
they have been,
and they will be, .. we bring them over here, a bunch of Chinamen, ..
billions of
them ..." Are these words applicable to a government? Can a
government be brought "over here"? Is the word "billions"
applicable to a government? Don't
engage in COWARDLY self-deception.
Q: A lot of Chinese Ams are AFRAID. Don't you think that our continued
protest could be viewed as siding with the Chinese government?
A: No! If ALL a racists who demonized us in a public broadcast needed to do
was to say that the attack was meant for the Chinese government, then
we'd be scared and back off, then we are cowards indeed! We are
condemning ourselves and our children to be constantly attacked by
racists
with a free pass - a retrospective statement that the attack was meant
for
the Chinese government. We must speak up. We must nip in the bud
this kind of demonization against us.
Q: Still why is 80-20 so worked up by Beckel's statement?
A: Beckel said,
"As usual, we bring them over here and we teach a
bunch of Chinamen -- er, Chinese people -- how to do
computers and then they go back to China and hack
into us. . . . Billions of us. . . . They kill kids. "
Beckel, without proof, questions the loyalty of CHINESE AMERICANS to
the USA. A huge proportion of Chinese Ams, myself included, came
initially as students to study science and technology in the US and then
stayed. Many stayed and served the nation earnestly. Yes, most of us do
visit
China often, just like Caucasian-Ams visit Europe often, although
we don't "go back to China and hack into" America. Beckel's statement, if
unchecked, could endanger the lives and liberty of all Chinese Americans.
Remember the Jews in Nazi Germany, who didn't speak up till too late.
Fortunately, the U.S. is not Nazi Germany.
Q: OK then. You realize that America is NOT Nazi Germany. So why worry?
A: If we don't speak up, things will almost certainly get much worse. The
US is
not a shining example in its treatment of minorities. Look at the
history:
(1) The US abolished slavery 32 year after England had done so in 1833,
(2) The US practically wiped out the Native Indian population,
(3) The US adopted the Chinese-Exclusion act in 1882, not because Ch-Ams
were
bad. It's because the locals in SF felt we were beginning to compete
for jobs,
(4) Japanese Ams. were interned during WWII - a much kinder act than the
killing
of Jews in Nazi Germany. However, German- and Italian-Americans were
not
interned. Ironically, Japanese Ams in Hawaii, though a large security
risk than
Japanese Ams in the mainland, were NOT interned, because the Hawaii
economy would collapse without them. (Note: Not a single Japanese-
Am. was accused as a spy during WWII.)
Retrospectively, our own historian and scholars concluded that the
above acts were driven by selfish interest of the majority at the expense of
the minorities.
Could such unjust acts occur again? Can we be so sure that the past
generations of Americans were so much worse than our compatriots of today?
Q: Hymmm. I'm beginning to see 80-20's point of view. What happens to
all those politicians and orgs. which jump in early, demanding Beckel's
resignation or firing?
A: You need to ask them. I hope that they are still working at it.
SB Woo, a volunteer
President of 80-20 Initiative |
n****m
发帖数: 1283 | 2 I think you fail your son to some extent if you has not yet report this to
the school.
If a student dare to make such a bold discrimination statement, you should
report that to the superintendent directly. |
u*****a
发帖数: 6276 | 3 给个中文摘要吧。本版上恨白人、黑人、墨西哥人、日本人、韩国人、印度人、有同性
恋倾向的人、共和党人、民主党人、共产党人、嫁给非亚裔的人等等的多了去了。直说
就是了。
最近还有人恨生了三个孩子的父母的！还有恨美国自由不是自由但上海户口不是户口的
！大千世界，无奇不有嘛。 |
w*******g
发帖数: 9932 | 4 If only I knew who the bully is.
It took me and my wife several attempts just to figure out why my son was
very upset. He couldn't tell me the name of the bully or what he looked like
. He is a bigger kid from different grade.
The same thing happens in camp. It is very hard to avoid this kind of
discrimination. Talking to teacher and camp councilor help to resolve
fighting but when other kid calls your son with terms like "Hey Chinese Boy"
or " I don't like Chinese ", there is not much you can do.
My son even started to say that he doesn't like to be Chinese. I spent quite
a bit of time to help him develop a sense of identity and hope he can be
strong internally first but I think the bigger issue is that we need a
stronger community to prevent this kind of discrimination in general.
【在 n****m 的大作中提到】
: I think you fail your son to some extent if you has not yet report this to
: the school.
: If a student dare to make such a bold discrimination statement, you should
: report that to the superintendent directly.
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t*c
发帖数: 8291 | 5 如果搬到中国人多的社区，就没这个事情了。
华人孩子们个个多才多艺，品学兼优，家庭条件好，父母又疼爱，底气足。
如果不能搬，那父母就要努力了。一方面加强孩子的表达能力，让他
在外面受了气能够有勇气有能力申诉，不管是直接告诉老师，要求处理，
还是告诉父母，然后去找老师，总之要有应对措施，维护自己的权益。
其次是父母努力帮助孩子多交朋友。 朋友多的孩子不容易被bully.
bully最喜欢挑那些沉默的，没多少朋友的，又不爱反抗的人下手。
school.
started
but
【在 w*******g 的大作中提到】
: I started to get worried about discrimination of Chinese children in school.
: My 6 year old felt terrible when bullies in school and summer camp started
: to use derogatory terms to call him because he is a Chinese. Do your
: children have the same problem?
: I think this is a very hard problem to address. Individually I try to talk
: about the Chinese heritage to my son and help son develop a stronger sense
: of belonging. At the same time, we need to change the overall culture that
: is hostile to us.
: I usually just delete messages from 80/20 but the following email's title
: caught my eye. I don't really like what 80/20 advocate most of the time but
|
w*******g
发帖数: 9932 | 6 华人多的社区难找啊。 而且搬家不是说搬就搬的。 光让小孩自己去争取也不够。 大
人是不是也要做点什么呢？
【在 t*c 的大作中提到】
: 如果搬到中国人多的社区，就没这个事情了。
: 华人孩子们个个多才多艺，品学兼优，家庭条件好，父母又疼爱，底气足。
: 如果不能搬，那父母就要努力了。一方面加强孩子的表达能力，让他
: 在外面受了气能够有勇气有能力申诉，不管是直接告诉老师，要求处理，
: 还是告诉父母，然后去找老师，总之要有应对措施，维护自己的权益。
: 其次是父母努力帮助孩子多交朋友。 朋友多的孩子不容易被bully.
: bully最喜欢挑那些沉默的，没多少朋友的，又不爱反抗的人下手。
:
: school.
: started
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t*c
发帖数: 8291 | 7 参与政治是一方面啦。
但是要让你的孩子不被bully, 我说的那几条不都是父母可以努力的？
还有一个，就是你可以创造机会去展示华人的新形象，或者说华人背后
的祖国的新形象。比如你是教授吧，你可以去local school做out reach.
名义上是介绍你的专业，什么物理啦什么电子啦，然后顺带介绍一下中国
有美国无的东西。自然就把中国的形象给托上去了。
举个例子吧，小学都很欢迎science outreach的。你带点液氮去学校给孩子们
做做磁悬浮的演示， 然后乘机说说磁悬浮火车。可以达到比amtrak快多少倍
的速度。然后给几张上海磁悬浮火车的照片，说一下这个例子是全世界最快
的高速铁路，中国上海照的照片。
只要你有热情去参与，夹带私货的机会非常多的。
【在 w*******g 的大作中提到】
: 华人多的社区难找啊。 而且搬家不是说搬就搬的。 光让小孩自己去争取也不够。 大
: 人是不是也要做点什么呢？
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w*******g
发帖数: 9932 | 8 这是个好主意。 下次他们有这个活动， 我要去参加。
不过难道你们小孩没有碰到这些问题吗？
【在 t*c 的大作中提到】
: 参与政治是一方面啦。
: 但是要让你的孩子不被bully, 我说的那几条不都是父母可以努力的？
: 还有一个，就是你可以创造机会去展示华人的新形象，或者说华人背后
: 的祖国的新形象。比如你是教授吧，你可以去local school做out reach.
: 名义上是介绍你的专业，什么物理啦什么电子啦，然后顺带介绍一下中国
: 有美国无的东西。自然就把中国的形象给托上去了。
: 举个例子吧，小学都很欢迎science outreach的。你带点液氮去学校给孩子们
: 做做磁悬浮的演示， 然后乘机说说磁悬浮火车。可以达到比amtrak快多少倍
: 的速度。然后给几张上海磁悬浮火车的照片，说一下这个例子是全世界最快
: 的高速铁路，中国上海照的照片。
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k******e
发帖数: 8870 | 9 我觉得娃的学校还好办一点，毕竟老师学生都是长期在那儿的。搞活动不需要等机会，
可以自己和教师说看教师能不能找一时间让家长去普及一下某方面的东西。比如，我们
前段时间就和娃她们年级的两班主任说能不能让我们中国家长在中秋节的时间去弄个活
动，老师点头后，昨天我们就去了，老师和娃们都很喜欢。俺觉得多几个中国的家长时
不时的到学校义务活动一下，有利于拉近老师和其他娃对咱中国娃的关系。 但是对于
CAMP里发生的就比较难，因为不知道谁是BULLY，很多CAMP的老师也只是高中生或者大
学生的VOLUNTEERS，没有经验。俺对这感觉很无力，尤其是对于小娃娃来说。俺也希望
能从这版上学学怎么HANDLE这些问题。
【在 w*******g 的大作中提到】
: 这是个好主意。 下次他们有这个活动， 我要去参加。
: 不过难道你们小孩没有碰到这些问题吗？
|
t*c
发帖数: 8291 | 10 不是他们有活动，你才去参加。 你可以联系校长办公室，主动offer
这个活动。很多学校要花钱才能请到magic science的去讲课。
你可以用大学 free out reach 名义。会受欢迎的。
而且，你以后申请nsf的时候也有优势，可以写进去你去了哪里哪里
作out reach.
【在 w*******g 的大作中提到】
: 这是个好主意。 下次他们有这个活动， 我要去参加。
: 不过难道你们小孩没有碰到这些问题吗？
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u*****a
发帖数: 6276 | 11 好像叫 outreach，没空格。
【在 t*c 的大作中提到】
: 不是他们有活动，你才去参加。 你可以联系校长办公室，主动offer
: 这个活动。很多学校要花钱才能请到magic science的去讲课。
: 你可以用大学 free out reach 名义。会受欢迎的。
: 而且，你以后申请nsf的时候也有优势，可以写进去你去了哪里哪里
: 作out reach.
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t*c
发帖数: 8291 | 12 对了，低年级的老师极其欢迎家长去介绍自己的国家的heritage.
到时候去幻灯片秀秀中国的传统和现代，秀秀古居民宅和现代化都市，
秀秀独木舟和高铁体系， 再告诉他们修一条1000 mile的高速铁路
只需要三年时间，小脑袋里就会有印象了。以后他们知道他们local
的公路修了十年还没修好，想起来中国1000英里的高速只要三年，
就觉得中国好了。
【在 k******e 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得娃的学校还好办一点，毕竟老师学生都是长期在那儿的。搞活动不需要等机会，
: 可以自己和教师说看教师能不能找一时间让家长去普及一下某方面的东西。比如，我们
: 前段时间就和娃她们年级的两班主任说能不能让我们中国家长在中秋节的时间去弄个活
: 动，老师点头后，昨天我们就去了，老师和娃们都很喜欢。俺觉得多几个中国的家长时
: 不时的到学校义务活动一下，有利于拉近老师和其他娃对咱中国娃的关系。 但是对于
: CAMP里发生的就比较难，因为不知道谁是BULLY，很多CAMP的老师也只是高中生或者大
: 学生的VOLUNTEERS，没有经验。俺对这感觉很无力，尤其是对于小娃娃来说。俺也希望
: 能从这版上学学怎么HANDLE这些问题。
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t*c
发帖数: 8291 | 13 我家小孩纠结的事情也有，但是不是华人身份被歧视的问题。
至少没有提到过。她对华人身份是非常自豪，非常有底气的。
【在 w*******g 的大作中提到】
: 这是个好主意。 下次他们有这个活动， 我要去参加。
: 不过难道你们小孩没有碰到这些问题吗？
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t*c
发帖数: 8291 | 14 I don't care.
【在 u*****a 的大作中提到】
: 好像叫 outreach，没空格。
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u*****a
发帖数: 6276 | 15 咂咂咂 . . .
为人师表？
【在 t*c 的大作中提到】
: I don't care.
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A***u
发帖数: 3714 | 16 看了半天，是不是就是小孩子verbal bully?
关于race discrimination, 我觉得多关注实际利益有无受损比较有意义，人家嘴巴怎
么mean, 自己也有嘴巴回过去呗，mentally strong , 以牙还牙。
school.
started
but
【在 w*******g 的大作中提到】
: I started to get worried about discrimination of Chinese children in school.
: My 6 year old felt terrible when bullies in school and summer camp started
: to use derogatory terms to call him because he is a Chinese. Do your
: children have the same problem?
: I think this is a very hard problem to address. Individually I try to talk
: about the Chinese heritage to my son and help son develop a stronger sense
: of belonging. At the same time, we need to change the overall culture that
: is hostile to us.
: I usually just delete messages from 80/20 but the following email's title
: caught my eye. I don't really like what 80/20 advocate most of the time but
|
u*****a
发帖数: 6276 | 17 这就是80-20 的一个广告贴。无具体人名地名学校名。三无贴。 |
w*******g
发帖数: 9932 | 18 verbal abuse from this early is appalling
can't imagine what happens as they grow older
need a plan I guess
or start a discussion at least
【在 A***u 的大作中提到】
: 看了半天，是不是就是小孩子verbal bully?
: 关于race discrimination, 我觉得多关注实际利益有无受损比较有意义，人家嘴巴怎
: 么mean, 自己也有嘴巴回过去呗，mentally strong , 以牙还牙。
:
: school.
: started
: but
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l******2
发帖数: 542 | 19 上次virginia tech 的大屠杀没有得到充分反省
应该由各位着手，彻底搞清楚究竟是什么而引起？
亚裔在美国受到的歧视 是不是原因之一？
你们家小孩只是受到广泛歧视当中的一个而已
为什么受到歧视？你想从美国总统到国务卿，到诸媒体成天讲中国的坏话
作为中国人的小孩就不会受到影响么？那是不可能的
不单单只是中国人的小孩，还包括其它亚裔的小孩
白人谁没事闲的去弄清楚哪些中国人，哪些日本人韩国人？统统一起歧视
从美国历史看，美国历史就是一部美国屠杀史和歧视史，美国人曾杀死过几乎所有的
native americans，曾歧视过法国人、德国人、意大利人、爱尔兰人、东欧人、所有亚
洲人、特别是日本人、中国人、多了去了
这些人的小孩也都跟你的小孩一样长大的
老实说，我在国内也是被歧视大的
如果没受到人身侵害还算是好的了
school.
started
but
【在 w*******g 的大作中提到】
: I started to get worried about discrimination of Chinese children in school.
: My 6 year old felt terrible when bullies in school and summer camp started
: to use derogatory terms to call him because he is a Chinese. Do your
: children have the same problem?
: I think this is a very hard problem to address. Individually I try to talk
: about the Chinese heritage to my son and help son develop a stronger sense
: of belonging. At the same time, we need to change the overall culture that
: is hostile to us.
: I usually just delete messages from 80/20 but the following email's title
: caught my eye. I don't really like what 80/20 advocate most of the time but
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T*******i
发帖数: 4442 | 20 谁他妈让咱生活在美国呢? 在中国六岁小孩仇恨日本人也会被认为是正常的。 美国电
视整天骂中国，把中国当假想敌。。。你能指望白人有几个会独立思考。我认识的去过
中国的白人对我都是很不错的。倒是有些整天看新闻听广播号称有点小文化的小资白人
对中国印象就很坏。 再往下红波 粗人 黑哥根本不care
所以我觉得再美国要么住在移民多的区域。要么混到真正的上层。中间是最残酷的 |
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m*****i
发帖数: 1829 | 21 can you talk more on this 做磁悬浮的演示?
This is a great way to get involved in school!
【在 t*c 的大作中提到】
: 参与政治是一方面啦。
: 但是要让你的孩子不被bully, 我说的那几条不都是父母可以努力的？
: 还有一个，就是你可以创造机会去展示华人的新形象，或者说华人背后
: 的祖国的新形象。比如你是教授吧，你可以去local school做out reach.
: 名义上是介绍你的专业，什么物理啦什么电子啦，然后顺带介绍一下中国
: 有美国无的东西。自然就把中国的形象给托上去了。
: 举个例子吧，小学都很欢迎science outreach的。你带点液氮去学校给孩子们
: 做做磁悬浮的演示， 然后乘机说说磁悬浮火车。可以达到比amtrak快多少倍
: 的速度。然后给几张上海磁悬浮火车的照片，说一下这个例子是全世界最快
: 的高速铁路，中国上海照的照片。
|
t*c
发帖数: 8291 | 22 google磁悬浮实验，有很多视频和原理可以看。
【在 m*****i 的大作中提到】
: can you talk more on this 做磁悬浮的演示?
: This is a great way to get involved in school!
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g********g
发帖数: 766 | 23 我也想说，多交朋友。还有就是淡化感觉，不要被对方摆布，比如对方说不喜欢
chinaman，就说我也不喜欢不喜欢中国人的，或者我也不喜欢连chinese这个词都不知
道的，或者干脆就说you？i don‘t care。父母自己要自信淡定从容，要教孩子优越感
，而不是自卑感，和他说说身边中国人的成就，比如妈妈爸爸，隔壁中国人叔叔阿姨，
都是做什么的，对各自行业有啥影响，公司找不到更合适的人做这些，等等。说孩子你
长大了有丰富的背景和阅历，有开阔的眼界，会比这种孩子有成就，等等。
另外不管自己怎么应对，教孩子记住是谁说的，不认识的可以当面问whats your name?
说一次书面告一次principal。
其实话说回来，种族歧视只是一小类，比如taylor swift也被bully的，要教会孩子有
自信有朋友，能应对任何类型的攻击
【在 t*c 的大作中提到】
: 如果搬到中国人多的社区，就没这个事情了。
: 华人孩子们个个多才多艺，品学兼优，家庭条件好，父母又疼爱，底气足。
: 如果不能搬，那父母就要努力了。一方面加强孩子的表达能力，让他
: 在外面受了气能够有勇气有能力申诉，不管是直接告诉老师，要求处理，
: 还是告诉父母，然后去找老师，总之要有应对措施，维护自己的权益。
: 其次是父母努力帮助孩子多交朋友。 朋友多的孩子不容易被bully.
: bully最喜欢挑那些沉默的，没多少朋友的，又不爱反抗的人下手。
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: school.
: started
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