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a********k
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希望能帮助提高亚裔高校录取率的“法律之友”文书已经正式递交最高法院了。文书的
具体内容请见:
http://www.80-20educationalfoundation.org/pdf/amicus-brief.pdf
主要发起组织80-20亚裔教育基金会向大家介绍了这篇文书的起草和递交的一些具体情
况:
“二月时,美国最高法院同意受理Fisher vs. University of Texas (德州大学) 关于
高校录取学生时把“族裔”作为考量之一这种做法是否违宪。事实上,因为亚裔家庭一
般很重视孩子的教育,所以亚裔孩子普遍比较优秀。于是许多名校一看考生是亚裔就人
为地增高了录取门槛。例如要入同一所名校,亚裔录取生的SAT要比西裔和非裔高三,
四百分。
“80-20基金会今年三月时组织了一个美籍亚裔的民调来考量亚裔是否支持法院来取消
这对亚裔实则有反向歧视的‘族裔优先’的高校录取政策。在一个月左右的时间,我们
争取到了五万签名。其中四万七千有效的美籍亚裔签名里,支持和反对高校取消“族裔
考量”录取政策的比例高达52.4比1。这个数据清清楚楚地表达了亚裔的民意。
“在美国,很多组织都会通过递交‘法律之友’的文件来影响法院在案件上的裁决。在
民调结果的基础上,我们雇了一位和最高法院有过多次成功办案经验的宪法专家犹太律
师来帮我们起草和递交了这份‘法律之友’的文书, 并与Fisher 的律师团合作将亚裔
学生的处境做为推翻2003 Grutter 案例的主要证据之一。这篇‘法律之友’用数据说
明了亚裔学生进入名校的高门槛,也类比了百年前藤校对犹太学生的录取限制和今天名
校对亚裔的限制实际上是如出一辙。我们也找到了三个全美最大的美籍印度裔组织和一
个知名的犹太人权组织来和我们联合递交这份文书。(我们希望这个类比能帮助最高法
院九名大法官中的两位犹太法官更好地理解到我们亚裔考生现在的处境。)
“通过这个案子,我们有可能性限制或推翻高校录取的种族考量政策,不过要取得胜利
是很困难的:德州大学已经花了近百万元聘请了一个很大的 (2000人)律师事务所来
代表他们。他们一定也会号召协调许多组织来发代表学校利益的‘法律之友’。目前已
有五个亚裔组织公开表示他们会递交‘法律之友’坚决支持学校来维持这个实际上对亚
裔录取不利的现状, 更有许多其他亚裔组织在观望。很多亚裔组织因为自己资金来源
等复杂原因而不愿意代表真正的民意来维护我们孩子上理想大学的合理权益表示遗憾。”
亲爱的朋友,周末的时候,我去参加了儿子的钢琴汇报演出。他们那场的21个学生几乎
都是亚裔小朋友,颁奖的时候孩子们几乎也都考上了级。虎妈和财爸们,请问送娃学钢
琴的Return on Investment是多少呢?我先生帮哈佛做录取面试时,发现70%的小中娃
都是钢琴十级,所以大家辛苦供孩子学钢琴的ROI从爬藤的意义来讲其实是小的可怜的
。然而在这个案子上,你的投入应当是有回报的。哈佛大学年初时被教育部调查是否在
录取上对亚裔有歧视之嫌,今年亚裔的录取率就是近年来最高的,比往年增加了15%。
请问当你的孩子或孩子的孩子以后在上大学时,你是否可以自豪地告诉他说, ‘我在帮
你入理想的学校时尽了我的力量呢?”除了80-20,还有哪个组织愿意挑头为大家做这
件事儿呢。如果大家都不吭气,那些支持学校的亚裔组织就已经理直气壮地代表了我们
。如果您愿意支持80-20在这次的努力,请考虑和我一样,花一堂钢琴课的钱支持80-20
促进会(http://www.80-20initiative.net/),
---------------------
80-20 Educational Foundation* filed Supreme Court Brief TODAY (the plaintiff
-side deadline) advocating race-neutral merit-based college admissions on
behalf of Asian Americans and all people.
http://www.80-20educationalfoundation.org/pdf/amicus-brief.pdf
Background:
Under the current race-conscious college admission policy, Asian American (
AsAm) students are severely discriminated against. Princeton sociologist
Thomas Espenshade reported in his 2009 book: “To receive equal
consideration by elite colleges, Asian Americans must outperform Whites by
140 points, Hispanics by 280 points, Blacks by 450 points in SAT (Total 1600
).”
AsAms are not just good test takers. For example, in 2006, they were 27% of
Presidential Scholars, who are chosen based on scholarship, service,
leadership, and creativity.
80-20 sponsored a neutral and open survey of Asian Ams on its website a
month ago. 47,000 Asian Americans (AsAms) took the survey. When offered a
choice of "Against" or "For" a race-neutral college admission policy, they
chose a race-neutral policy by a 52 to 1 ratio. For details visit http://www.80-20educationalfoundation.org/projects/colleges.asp
S. B. Woo, former Lt. Governor of Delaware (1985-89) and President of 80-20
said, "Given this mandate, we filed an amicus brief advocating a race-
neutral college admission policy. Our brief gives a superb account of why
the discrimination against AsAms, caused by a race-conscious admission
policy is wrong. It also calls the Court's attention to SIMILAR
discrimination against Jewish American students in the past."
Kenneth Marcus, President of The Brandeis Center and a former staff director
of the federal Civil Rights Commission stated, "It wasn't right for the
elite colleges to limit Jewish students then, it's still not right to limit
Asian Ams students now."
Alan Gura, attorney for the joint filing said, "Every facet of the
discrimination that Asian Americans face today in college admissions has
been reflected in the Jewish experience. Read my brief."
An electronic copy of the brief and/or a list of name/city/state of the 47,
000+ AsAm survey takers will be made available.
http://www.80-20educationalfoundation.org/pdf/amicus-brief.pdf
The survey clearly revealed an overwhelming AsAm consensus for a race-
neutral college admission policy. Any AsAm organization taking a different
stand is only speaking for themselves, not the community. 80-20 challenges
them to do a similar survey to prove 80-20 wrong.
The battle is NOT won. We are facing formidable opponents with unlimited
resources. UT Austin has already paid $977,000 to retain Latham & Watkins
LLP, a 2,000-lawyer firm with 31 offices who successfully defended the 2003
Grutter case. In Grutter, the Supreme Court sanctioned limited use of race
in college admissions, the abuse of which gave rise to the current case:
Fisher vs. UT Austin. There is no doubt L&W will coordinate dozens of
Amicus briefs vigorously defending the current race-conscious admission
policies, and the briefs will include some AsAm organizations who are
determined to ensure you and I would enjoy the current policy for another 20
years.
To increase our odd in this David vs. Goliath struggle, we have deployed the
following strategies:
•Partnering with a Brandeis Center for Human Rights, a well-known
Jewish org whose president is the Staff Director of The Federal Civil Rights
Commission.
•Hired a Jewish lawyer who is a constitutional law specialist, had won
a recent Supreme Court case, and is in the inner circle of the Fisher
lawyers.
•Quantitatively documented the much high barrier AsAms must overcome
to gain college admissions. Coordinated with Fisher lawyers such that the
AsAm experience is now a core argument against racial preferences in the
main Fisher brief.
•Systematically documented how the current college admission practices
evolved from the conscious effort to limit Jewish enrollment a century ago.
Make it plainly clear “Asian Americans are the new Jews”. The Supreme
Court Justices may not be familiar with the AsAm experience, but are
intimately familiar with the Jewish experience. This might dampen the
enthusiasm of two liberal Justices (Ginsberg and Breyer, both Jewish) in
their defense of racial preferences.
•Conducted a historically unprecedented 50,000 person (of which 47,000
are AsAms) opinion survey which demonstrated that our community favors race
-neutral merit-based college admission by a ratio of 52:1. This open and
neutral survey is done to neutralize those AsAm orgs who claims they
represent us and we all love racial preferences.
•Enlisted the support of three largest national umbrella Indian
American organizations as Amici in this brief. Yes, our Indian American
friends have the gut to fight this battle. This turned out to be the most
difficult task: Most national AsAm orgs refused to step forward for fear of
offending outside interests, including their funding sources.
•Publicize our effort to deter more AsAm orgs (who have not yet came
forward) from joining UT Austin. Many would otherwise be tempted to do so
for a variety of organizational gains.
We MAY fail, not the least of which is due to some other AsAm orgs who
insist that they represent you. They will have until the end of August (the
defendant-side deadline) to study our brief to death and kill it with their
briefs. Six such AsAm orgs have already publicly announced they will file
Amicus briefs on behalf of UT Austin. They said you are the 15 million
silent majorities who are secretly longing for more race-conscious treatment
. Your silence is the proof.
Failure is not the dichotomy of success. Failure is keep doing the same
thing (which in this case is DOING NOTHING) over and over again and hope the
outcome would be different this time. Failure is to accept defeat before
the battle even starts (How many said the voice of AsAms is too feeble to be
heard? How many said there is no precedent of AsAms winning any Supreme
Court cases? The Supreme Court is there for the expressed purpose of
setting precedents for the lower courts!)
To our dear friends, your support has been critical in carrying us this far.
Instead of “I wish I could have, should have done something” when your
children hit the college barrier, you can proudly say “I did not accept
such a barrier, I smashed it”. To others, please take a moment to reflect
and to consider join the effort NOW (at the website below). Your silence
is the very reason why some many AsAm orgs are so audaciously sticking to
the current college admissions policy.
http://www.80-20initiative.net/membership/join.asp
*80-20 Educational Foundation is a 501(C)(3) tax-exempt organization. It is
devoted to furthering equal opportunity in the workplace and equal justice
for Asian Americans. It has the same goals as 80-20 Initiative, Inc. with an
overlapping Board. However, these organizations use different approaches.
80-20 Educational Foundation focuses on political education, it does not
take political action such as endorsement of political candidates. The two
organizations, while sharing the same goal, are operated independently. All
donations to this Foundation are tax deductible.
B******1
发帖数: 9094
2
在你们的中文版"号召书"中有这么一句"哈佛大学年初时被教育部调查是否在录取上
对亚裔有歧视之嫌,今年亚裔的录取率就是近年来最高的,比往年增加了15%。"
Hehe, logical fallacy. Correlation does not equal causation. The reason
could be that 2012 is the Dragon year!
我查了一下,这个调查开始15天之后就被停止了,因为起诉的人撤诉了,现在也没有
类似的调查。这都是事实。80-20作为一个标榜自己多么神圣的组织,连这种给别
人抹黑给自己贴金的下三烂的伎俩都使得出来,欺负我们中国人没脑子,没逻辑,没调
查研究的能力,是不是?
你的谎言可能欺骗部分人一世,也可能蒙所有人一时,但你决不可能唬弄
所有人一辈子!等潮水落下去的时候,你会发现自己的泳裤都没了!
他们那场的21个学生几乎都是亚裔小朋友,颁奖的时候孩子们几乎也都考上了级。
Hehe. If you look at the other facet of the problem, why no OTHER races pay
such a huge attention to learning piano? I assume Mr. Wewill2009 would
provide some interesting views on this subject.
然而在这个案子上,你的投入应当是有回报的。
Hehe. What about the ROI for the other side of the problem, those colored
applicants who do not play piano, do not have high SAT score, but who still
want to go to a good college? According to the news, Harvard accepted an AA
applicant who used to be HOMELESS and slept on benches at parks. I
seriously doubt his SAT scores could match the average Asian applicants.
But his determination to get a better education stills rocked my heart. His
admission into Ivy League schools might have benefitted A LOT from the
current college admission policies. But wouldn't you want him to be accepted
as well?
Have confidence in oneself. Like the young man I described in one of my
recent posts, improve yourself and make Harvard feel it is their loss not
accepting you in the first place!
i******e
发帖数: 1720
3
“虎妈和财爸们,请问送娃学钢琴的Return on Investment是多少呢?我先生帮哈佛做
录取面试时,发现70%的小中娃都是钢琴十级,所以大家辛苦供孩子学钢琴的ROI从爬藤
的意义来讲其实是小的可怜的。"
------------------------------------------
让我这样辛苦供孩子学钢琴完全为了支持孩子对钢琴的爱好,从没想过ROI的家长很无
语。
z****0
发帖数: 3942
4
按你的逻辑,当年黑人也没必要去争取平权,光提高自己,让哈佛后悔不就行了?你真
以为哈佛会后悔?
美国国会至今没有为当年的排华法案道歉,为什么?因为亚裔没有团结起来去争取。80
/20现在做的,就是让亚裔团结起来从政治上争取自己平等的权利。

could
pay

【在 B******1 的大作中提到】
: 在你们的中文版"号召书"中有这么一句"哈佛大学年初时被教育部调查是否在录取上
: 对亚裔有歧视之嫌,今年亚裔的录取率就是近年来最高的,比往年增加了15%。"
: Hehe, logical fallacy. Correlation does not equal causation. The reason
: could be that 2012 is the Dragon year!
: 我查了一下,这个调查开始15天之后就被停止了,因为起诉的人撤诉了,现在也没有
: 类似的调查。这都是事实。80-20作为一个标榜自己多么神圣的组织,连这种给别
: 人抹黑给自己贴金的下三烂的伎俩都使得出来,欺负我们中国人没脑子,没逻辑,没调
: 查研究的能力,是不是?
: 你的谎言可能欺骗部分人一世,也可能蒙所有人一时,但你决不可能唬弄
: 所有人一辈子!等潮水落下去的时候,你会发现自己的泳裤都没了!

B******1
发帖数: 9094
5
Didn't LZ's organization claim to be NON-political, and for improving
educational purpose only???

【在 z****0 的大作中提到】
: 按你的逻辑,当年黑人也没必要去争取平权,光提高自己,让哈佛后悔不就行了?你真
: 以为哈佛会后悔?
: 美国国会至今没有为当年的排华法案道歉,为什么?因为亚裔没有团结起来去争取。80
: /20现在做的,就是让亚裔团结起来从政治上争取自己平等的权利。
:
: could
: pay

z****0
发帖数: 3942
6
你哪里看来的?
80-20当然是个政治团体,上次总统大选背书了Obama,帮Obama得到绝大多数亚裔的选
票。以下是80-20对自己组织的定义。
80-20 is a national, nonpartisan, Political Action Committee dedicated to
winning equal opportunity and justice for all Asian Americans through a
SWING bloc vote, ideally directing 80% of our community's votes and money to
the presidential candidate endorsed by the 80-20, who better represents the
interests of all APAs. Hence, the name "80-20" was created.

【在 B******1 的大作中提到】
: Didn't LZ's organization claim to be NON-political, and for improving
: educational purpose only???

l*****s
发帖数: 623
7
这个功绩是如何证实的?

上次总统大选背书了Obama,帮Obama得到绝大多数亚裔的选票。

【在 z****0 的大作中提到】
: 你哪里看来的?
: 80-20当然是个政治团体,上次总统大选背书了Obama,帮Obama得到绝大多数亚裔的选
: 票。以下是80-20对自己组织的定义。
: 80-20 is a national, nonpartisan, Political Action Committee dedicated to
: winning equal opportunity and justice for all Asian Americans through a
: SWING bloc vote, ideally directing 80% of our community's votes and money to
: the presidential candidate endorsed by the 80-20, who better represents the
: interests of all APAs. Hence, the name "80-20" was created.

z****0
发帖数: 3942
8
请见以下80-20网站的介绍。
http://www.80-20initiative.net/news/preselect2008_apavote.asp

【在 l*****s 的大作中提到】
: 这个功绩是如何证实的?
:
: 上次总统大选背书了Obama,帮Obama得到绝大多数亚裔的选票。

p**f
发帖数: 2610
9
他们做的是亚裔大众有好处的事,而且也是符合宪法精神的,这个你们也要挑刺,图个
啥?

could
pay

【在 B******1 的大作中提到】
: Didn't LZ's organization claim to be NON-political, and for improving
: educational purpose only???

z****0
发帖数: 3942
10
我是80-20的会员,觉得他们做的真的是对亚裔长远利益大有好处的事情。
希望这里的每一个人都能加入,如果你是公民,就积极通过bloc vote和政治捐款来提
升亚裔的地位,即使你觉得自己的孩子是天才。
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B******1
发帖数: 9094
11
*80-20 Educational Foundation is a 501(C)(3) tax-exempt organization. It is
devoted to furthering equal opportunity in the workplace and equal justice
for Asian Americans.
The above is the quotation from the end of LZ's message.
As it indicated, supposedly, this 80-20 is not your 80-20. A political
organization can NOT be a 501(C)(3), which is reserved for educational and
religious organizations.
I do read and think before I write a reply.

to
the

【在 z****0 的大作中提到】
: 你哪里看来的?
: 80-20当然是个政治团体,上次总统大选背书了Obama,帮Obama得到绝大多数亚裔的选
: 票。以下是80-20对自己组织的定义。
: 80-20 is a national, nonpartisan, Political Action Committee dedicated to
: winning equal opportunity and justice for all Asian Americans through a
: SWING bloc vote, ideally directing 80% of our community's votes and money to
: the presidential candidate endorsed by the 80-20, who better represents the
: interests of all APAs. Hence, the name "80-20" was created.

z****0
发帖数: 3942
12
不明白我们在争论什么?难道你认为80-20 Educational Foundation的做法不对,甚至
违法?

is

【在 B******1 的大作中提到】
: *80-20 Educational Foundation is a 501(C)(3) tax-exempt organization. It is
: devoted to furthering equal opportunity in the workplace and equal justice
: for Asian Americans.
: The above is the quotation from the end of LZ's message.
: As it indicated, supposedly, this 80-20 is not your 80-20. A political
: organization can NOT be a 501(C)(3), which is reserved for educational and
: religious organizations.
: I do read and think before I write a reply.
:
: to

B******1
发帖数: 9094
13
If an organization calls itself NON-political and educational, it is to its
own benefit to keep clear of the political battleground.
Politics does not mingle well with education.
z****0
发帖数: 3942
14
你的观点让我很无语啊!

its

【在 B******1 的大作中提到】
: If an organization calls itself NON-political and educational, it is to its
: own benefit to keep clear of the political battleground.
: Politics does not mingle well with education.

l*****s
发帖数: 623
15
同无语
培养孩子想着ROI,不是出于对孩子的好坏,而是自己的回报

【在 i******e 的大作中提到】
: “虎妈和财爸们,请问送娃学钢琴的Return on Investment是多少呢?我先生帮哈佛做
: 录取面试时,发现70%的小中娃都是钢琴十级,所以大家辛苦供孩子学钢琴的ROI从爬藤
: 的意义来讲其实是小的可怜的。"
: ------------------------------------------
: 让我这样辛苦供孩子学钢琴完全为了支持孩子对钢琴的爱好,从没想过ROI的家长很无
: 语。

z****0
发帖数: 3942
16
80-20为亚裔(包括你)的争取平等的权利,而你却冷眼看笑话,有这么好笑吗?每段
都以Hehe开头?
我看北大的教育不及格啊!

pay

【在 B******1 的大作中提到】
: If an organization calls itself NON-political and educational, it is to its
: own benefit to keep clear of the political battleground.
: Politics does not mingle well with education.

B******1
发帖数: 9094
17
Well, you did not see the mistakes in the statement?
And you did not know the meaning of Hehe in a post????
Speaking of the political goals, what 80-20 is doing is the following:
Under the name of equal rights for all races, try to INCREASE the benefits
received by the race of the organization regardless of the impact of the
proposed change to the nation as a whole.
Moreover,the notion of using a voter bloc of one race to increase the
political weight thereof is ill-fated.
First, you cannot control how each of your member votes in a given election.
Second, you can never claim the WHOLE race vote according to your
instruction unless all people of the race join your organization. So the
claim that "80-20 helped a presidential candidate win the election" would
not carry much weight or pass a litmus test.
Third, if you support one party in one race and then support another party
in another race, well, you might not win the support from either party when
you need their support!
Fourth, pitching a fight against another minority group under the name of
equality in education while trying to improve the perceived political
prowess or attract more political members is a strategy which might
backfire.
In reality, the Chinese ethinic group is still a minority group, just like
the African American group and the Hispanic group, both in political
standing and in economical terms. If you stab those minority groups in the
back, do you expect they will be on your side when you need their help?? It
is a political game, in which the race card may not be an ace up your sleeve
, but may be the joker in the pack. There is still a long way before one can
say for sure, race is not an issue any more in the U.S. Until then, certain
racial considerations would do more good than harm to this nation.

【在 z****0 的大作中提到】
: 80-20为亚裔(包括你)的争取平等的权利,而你却冷眼看笑话,有这么好笑吗?每段
: 都以Hehe开头?
: 我看北大的教育不及格啊!
:
: pay

z****0
发帖数: 3942
18
二战前的犹太人也是你这么想的,后果是什么大家都知道。所以现在美国的犹太人很抱
团,积极用政治捐款和bloc vote来保护自己的政治权利。
你别以为自己孩子是天才就用不着80-20这样的组织为亚裔争取平等权利。

election.

【在 B******1 的大作中提到】
: Well, you did not see the mistakes in the statement?
: And you did not know the meaning of Hehe in a post????
: Speaking of the political goals, what 80-20 is doing is the following:
: Under the name of equal rights for all races, try to INCREASE the benefits
: received by the race of the organization regardless of the impact of the
: proposed change to the nation as a whole.
: Moreover,the notion of using a voter bloc of one race to increase the
: political weight thereof is ill-fated.
: First, you cannot control how each of your member votes in a given election.
: Second, you can never claim the WHOLE race vote according to your

z****0
发帖数: 3942
19
劝你讨论不要“well,well"的来开头,那是人英语口语,自己去英语的论坛看看,没人
发帖用well,开头的。mitbbs上像你这样的老中倒有几个。

election.

【在 B******1 的大作中提到】
: Well, you did not see the mistakes in the statement?
: And you did not know the meaning of Hehe in a post????
: Speaking of the political goals, what 80-20 is doing is the following:
: Under the name of equal rights for all races, try to INCREASE the benefits
: received by the race of the organization regardless of the impact of the
: proposed change to the nation as a whole.
: Moreover,the notion of using a voter bloc of one race to increase the
: political weight thereof is ill-fated.
: First, you cannot control how each of your member votes in a given election.
: Second, you can never claim the WHOLE race vote according to your

B******1
发帖数: 9094
20
Well, when in Rome, do as the Romans do!

【在 z****0 的大作中提到】
: 劝你讨论不要“well,well"的来开头,那是人英语口语,自己去英语的论坛看看,没人
: 发帖用well,开头的。mitbbs上像你这样的老中倒有几个。
:
: election.

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z****0
发帖数: 3942
21
劝你就不要在这中文论坛现您的英语了!找个英语论坛现去。

【在 B******1 的大作中提到】
: Well, when in Rome, do as the Romans do!
B******1
发帖数: 9094
22
First of all, I NEVER said my kid is a 天才 or will be one.
Second, my beliefs in life and politics have nothing to do with what my
cherub was, is or will be.
Third, the white elephant in the room is that the basic tenor of 80-20 is
off-key since the hope of every Chinese singing from the same hymn sheet is
just an illusion except when helping the victims of an earthquake in China
is invovled. Even for that cause, some religious believers were not on board.
If you still do not get it, here is my analysis: Suppose Candidate A
supports whatever 80-20 supports and thus the candidate 80-20 picks.
However, one policy of A, which asks for tax hikes, does not fit with 30% of
80-20 members. Would these 30% members vote for Candidate A according to
80-20's endorsement thereof? Until you figure out how to persuade these 30%
to vote as a bloc, stop painting yourself as a savior or saint!


【在 z****0 的大作中提到】
: 二战前的犹太人也是你这么想的,后果是什么大家都知道。所以现在美国的犹太人很抱
: 团,积极用政治捐款和bloc vote来保护自己的政治权利。
: 你别以为自己孩子是天才就用不着80-20这样的组织为亚裔争取平等权利。
:
: election.

B******1
发帖数: 9094
23
Discrimination based on the preferred language of a user.

【在 z****0 的大作中提到】
: 劝你就不要在这中文论坛现您的英语了!找个英语论坛现去。
z****0
发帖数: 3942
24
那您去英语论坛光用中文发帖试试看是什么效果?
再说了,原来英语是您的”preferred language“,没想到。

【在 B******1 的大作中提到】
: Discrimination based on the preferred language of a user.
B******1
发帖数: 9094
25
Do not judge the book by its cover. It's the subject or content that counts!

【在 z****0 的大作中提到】
: 那您去英语论坛光用中文发帖试试看是什么效果?
: 再说了,原来英语是您的”preferred language“,没想到。

i******e
发帖数: 1720
26
Well, 这个也要管?

【在 z****0 的大作中提到】
: 劝你讨论不要“well,well"的来开头,那是人英语口语,自己去英语的论坛看看,没人
: 发帖用well,开头的。mitbbs上像你这样的老中倒有几个。
:
: election.

Z*****l
发帖数: 14069
27
80-20背书了民主党Obama, 其上台导致Affirmative Action愈演愈烈,亚裔在教育中受
歧视愈加严重。现在摇身一变,又来反对AA,假装讨好亚裔。
请支持亚裔权利的选民选举共和党,不要再被为墨裔非裔谋取权利的民主党所欺骗,发
生自己投票反对自己孩子的教育权利这样可惜的情况。
z****0
发帖数: 3942
28
well, 您在另外一帖怎么不用你的“preferred language"?

counts!

【在 B******1 的大作中提到】
: Do not judge the book by its cover. It's the subject or content that counts!
m**n
发帖数: 9010
29
"那您去英语论坛光用中文发帖试试看是什么效果"
您自个儿觉得这话说的不丢人么? 您这话是真想说明
Beida同学在这儿用英文发贴很不合理, 还是想说明
您自个儿缺乏起码的常识?

【在 z****0 的大作中提到】
: 那您去英语论坛光用中文发帖试试看是什么效果?
: 再说了,原来英语是您的”preferred language“,没想到。

z****0
发帖数: 3942
30
你不要低估大家的智商,80-20为亚裔做了什么,共和党对亚裔权利的态度如何,大家
可以自己去研究。以下摘自80-20网站.
In 2000, 80-20 was 2 yrs old & endorsed Gore enthusiastically because Gore
sent us a strong letter of commitment while Bush didn't. AsAms voted 54/41/4
for Gore/Bush/Nader.
The GOP has a (13 pt) dis-advantage.
In 2004, 80-20 endorsed Kerry with reservation because he answered our
questionnaire with all yeses (3) but failed to keep a promise. Bush didn't
answer. AsAms voted 58/41/0 for Kerry/Bush/others.
The GOP has a (17 pt) dis-advantage.
In 2008, 80-20 endorsed Obama enthusiastically because he answered our
questionnaire with all yeses (6), while McCain didn't. AsAms voted 62/35/3
for Obama/McCain/others.
The GOP has a (27 pt) dis-advantage!
Unless the Republican party is suicidal, which we doubt, 80-20 will soon
deliver another benefit to you -- having the GOP share our rightful concerns
as well.
That is how the political process works. We reward those who share our
rightful concerns, and punish those who don't. Soon, both political parties
will COMPETE to share our rightful concerns. Have you noticed how the
Democrats and the Republicans compete to share the concerns of Jewish
Americans?
Do recognize that 80-20 seeks only equal citizenship for Asian Americans,
while prodding America to become "a more perfect Union."

【在 Z*****l 的大作中提到】
: 80-20背书了民主党Obama, 其上台导致Affirmative Action愈演愈烈,亚裔在教育中受
: 歧视愈加严重。现在摇身一变,又来反对AA,假装讨好亚裔。
: 请支持亚裔权利的选民选举共和党,不要再被为墨裔非裔谋取权利的民主党所欺骗,发
: 生自己投票反对自己孩子的教育权利这样可惜的情况。

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m**n
发帖数: 9010
31
照您前面的逻辑, 您怎么不把这翻译成中文?

/4

【在 z****0 的大作中提到】
: 你不要低估大家的智商,80-20为亚裔做了什么,共和党对亚裔权利的态度如何,大家
: 可以自己去研究。以下摘自80-20网站.
: In 2000, 80-20 was 2 yrs old & endorsed Gore enthusiastically because Gore
: sent us a strong letter of commitment while Bush didn't. AsAms voted 54/41/4
: for Gore/Bush/Nader.
: The GOP has a (13 pt) dis-advantage.
: In 2004, 80-20 endorsed Kerry with reservation because he answered our
: questionnaire with all yeses (3) but failed to keep a promise. Bush didn't
: answer. AsAms voted 58/41/0 for Kerry/Bush/others.
: The GOP has a (17 pt) dis-advantage.

Z*****l
发帖数: 14069
32
满篇都是commitment, answers, promises,这恰恰证明了俺一贯的观点,民主党的政
治手段就是用虚言换取实利,用事后根本无须兑现的承诺来换取选票,获取政治地位后
完全忘记这些,把大家当成傻子先利用后抛弃。
80-20要证明这些不是幌子,最简单的做法,就是拿08年民主党奥巴马的承诺去找他们
,询问他们为什么不兑现诺言,保护亚裔的教育权益。如果诺言管用的话,80-20根本
就不用做楼主文章里那些多此一举的事情。楼主的文章本身就是对这些诺言的无情嘲笑。

【在 z****0 的大作中提到】
: 你不要低估大家的智商,80-20为亚裔做了什么,共和党对亚裔权利的态度如何,大家
: 可以自己去研究。以下摘自80-20网站.
: In 2000, 80-20 was 2 yrs old & endorsed Gore enthusiastically because Gore
: sent us a strong letter of commitment while Bush didn't. AsAms voted 54/41/4
: for Gore/Bush/Nader.
: The GOP has a (13 pt) dis-advantage.
: In 2004, 80-20 endorsed Kerry with reservation because he answered our
: questionnaire with all yeses (3) but failed to keep a promise. Bush didn't
: answer. AsAms voted 58/41/0 for Kerry/Bush/others.
: The GOP has a (17 pt) dis-advantage.

B******1
发帖数: 9094
33
不和 zing20 在这儿玩了。你们继续。
i******e
发帖数: 1720
34
“In 2008, 80-20 endorsed Obama enthusiastically because he answered our
questionnaire with all yeses (6), while McCain didn't. AsAms voted 62/35/3
for Obama/McCain/others. ”
只是因为他answered questionnaire 就给他背书吗?
我是要看他做什么,不是嘴上说什么。他推的那个 DREAM act,我就很不以为然。
z****0
发帖数: 3942
35
怎么丢人了?你平时和中国人说话也满嘴英文吗?我完全理解大家有时中英夹杂,但不
理解如何英文成了“preferred language”。

【在 m**n 的大作中提到】
: "那您去英语论坛光用中文发帖试试看是什么效果"
: 您自个儿觉得这话说的不丢人么? 您这话是真想说明
: Beida同学在这儿用英文发贴很不合理, 还是想说明
: 您自个儿缺乏起码的常识?

m**n
发帖数: 9010
36
你的第三点, 对这里的人实际上意义不大.
这个"blog vote"有多有效, 也就是说, 能集中
群体中多大部分的vote, 是候选人而不是投票者
需要考虑的问题. 如果候选人觉得70%就挺好, 挺有用,
那么他/她就不会去置疑80-20该怎么劝那剩下的30%也投同样的票.
那么到多大的百分比是可以(被候选人)接受的呢? 你需要提供这方面的
信息才能真说明问题.

is
board.
of

【在 B******1 的大作中提到】
: First of all, I NEVER said my kid is a 天才 or will be one.
: Second, my beliefs in life and politics have nothing to do with what my
: cherub was, is or will be.
: Third, the white elephant in the room is that the basic tenor of 80-20 is
: off-key since the hope of every Chinese singing from the same hymn sheet is
: just an illusion except when helping the victims of an earthquake in China
: is invovled. Even for that cause, some religious believers were not on board.
: If you still do not get it, here is my analysis: Suppose Candidate A
: supports whatever 80-20 supports and thus the candidate 80-20 picks.
: However, one policy of A, which asks for tax hikes, does not fit with 30% of

m**n
发帖数: 9010
37
丢人是指你问的问题水平太差.
你如果问"你平时和中国人说话也满嘴英文吗",
我相信Beida同学也有合理的回答, 但你的问题也很合理.
所以一点儿也不丢人.
你自个儿看看你前面问的那叫什么问题? 问人家到英文论坛
也全用中文会怎么样? 英文论坛大部分人不懂中文, 和这儿
大部分人懂英文, 一样么?

【在 z****0 的大作中提到】
: 怎么丢人了?你平时和中国人说话也满嘴英文吗?我完全理解大家有时中英夹杂,但不
: 理解如何英文成了“preferred language”。

z****0
发帖数: 3942
38
你有这么想的权利。

【在 m**n 的大作中提到】
: 丢人是指你问的问题水平太差.
: 你如果问"你平时和中国人说话也满嘴英文吗",
: 我相信Beida同学也有合理的回答, 但你的问题也很合理.
: 所以一点儿也不丢人.
: 你自个儿看看你前面问的那叫什么问题? 问人家到英文论坛
: 也全用中文会怎么样? 英文论坛大部分人不懂中文, 和这儿
: 大部分人懂英文, 一样么?

m**n
发帖数: 9010
39
拿一个一般人一眼就能看出来的, 与Beida同学行为不能类比
的例子来说事, 可见您讨论时逻辑还是有一定问题的.
您前面好象说过您参与80-20的活动吧? 这类活动要的就是能说服人.
您如果连在这里说服别人的能力都明显不足, 大家如何相信您能去
说服外面的人支持80-20?

【在 z****0 的大作中提到】
: 你有这么想的权利。
z****0
发帖数: 3942
40
请你去以下链接看Obama做了什么:
http://www.80-20initiative.net/about/unity1.asp

【在 i******e 的大作中提到】
: “In 2008, 80-20 endorsed Obama enthusiastically because he answered our
: questionnaire with all yeses (6), while McCain didn't. AsAms voted 62/35/3
: for Obama/McCain/others. ”
: 只是因为他answered questionnaire 就给他背书吗?
: 我是要看他做什么,不是嘴上说什么。他推的那个 DREAM act,我就很不以为然。

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z****0
发帖数: 3942
41
我看对像80-20这样的为亚裔争取平等权利的组织冷眼旁观,甚至说风凉话才是丢人!
我不认为80-20能说服所有亚裔,80%是他们的目标。不能说服你的北大学子不能说明问
题。

【在 m**n 的大作中提到】
: 拿一个一般人一眼就能看出来的, 与Beida同学行为不能类比
: 的例子来说事, 可见您讨论时逻辑还是有一定问题的.
: 您前面好象说过您参与80-20的活动吧? 这类活动要的就是能说服人.
: 您如果连在这里说服别人的能力都明显不足, 大家如何相信您能去
: 说服外面的人支持80-20?

Z*****l
发帖数: 14069
42
北大的ID们能坚持政见,左派能阐述左派的道理,右派能坚持右派的思想,好过80-20
与其支持者,先左后右,朝三暮四,反复无常,居然还想自圆其说。

【在 z****0 的大作中提到】
: 80-20为亚裔(包括你)的争取平等的权利,而你却冷眼看笑话,有这么好笑吗?每段
: 都以Hehe开头?
: 我看北大的教育不及格啊!
:
: pay

m**n
发帖数: 9010
43
说自己为亚裔争取平等权利是没有用的. 别人还可以说自己是神的代言人呢,
关键看您能不能说服别人接受您的观点.
这个么, 包括举事实, 讲道理.
您在前面讲道理过程中, 有明显的疏漏.

【在 z****0 的大作中提到】
: 我看对像80-20这样的为亚裔争取平等权利的组织冷眼旁观,甚至说风凉话才是丢人!
: 我不认为80-20能说服所有亚裔,80%是他们的目标。不能说服你的北大学子不能说明问
: 题。

w********9
发帖数: 8613
44

> Hehe. If you look at the other facet of the problem, why no OTHER races >
pay
> such a huge attention to learning piano? I assume Mr. Wewill2009 would
> provide some interesting views on this subject.
在不久前,我参加了自己小孩(小提琴爪)的第三(或四)次musical recital。参加者
中亚(包括印巴)裔好像占到了3/4。(组织者和老师们基本上都是白人,其中俄国或
东欧人的比例不小。)这个状况看起来是我们这个大群偏爱类似读书(比较程式或规矩
化)项目的延续。
我非常不满意我们的族群(被普遍视为)书呆子所占比例特大(这个我以前开贴讨论过
)的状况,但我还是希望更多的华裔书呆子和非书呆子父母们和孩子们能圆他们爬过常
青藤的大梦。
根本上,华裔还是应该多少改变一下典型的固有形象,要更多样化些,减少族群内部的
竞争。
关于亚裔书呆子形象的讨论很多。一例:
http://www.debate.org/debates/Asians-Are-Nerdy/1/

【在 B******1 的大作中提到】
: 不和 zing20 在这儿玩了。你们继续。
w********9
发帖数: 8613
45

这是个学术贴。您老还是一直严谨吧?现在一般是靠测。你儿被测定为天才。

【在 B******1 的大作中提到】
: First of all, I NEVER said my kid is a 天才 or will be one.
: Second, my beliefs in life and politics have nothing to do with what my
: cherub was, is or will be.
: Third, the white elephant in the room is that the basic tenor of 80-20 is
: off-key since the hope of every Chinese singing from the same hymn sheet is
: just an illusion except when helping the victims of an earthquake in China
: is invovled. Even for that cause, some religious believers were not on board.
: If you still do not get it, here is my analysis: Suppose Candidate A
: supports whatever 80-20 supports and thus the candidate 80-20 picks.
: However, one policy of A, which asks for tax hikes, does not fit with 30% of

w********9
发帖数: 8613
46
就事论事吧。
主体上,这个是在表示相当大比例的亚裔对大学录取不满。敢发出声音是好事。
两党政治太复杂了。大部分人可能会支持一些某党的做法,而反对其另一些举动。
p***7
发帖数: 535
47
support 80-20 for its effort to fight for the interests of Asian.
Beida101, I hope you can use your poor little head to think more.Dreaming
about being recognized by other communities by only improving ourselves i s
such an idiot idea . Fighting for our rights is always true.
z****0
发帖数: 3942
48
我有明显的疏漏是肯定的,我又不是在这儿发表论文。
我也不指望能说服所有人。我只是希望大家加入到为亚裔争取平等权利的行列中来,而
不是冷眼看笑话。

【在 m**n 的大作中提到】
: 说自己为亚裔争取平等权利是没有用的. 别人还可以说自己是神的代言人呢,
: 关键看您能不能说服别人接受您的观点.
: 这个么, 包括举事实, 讲道理.
: 您在前面讲道理过程中, 有明显的疏漏.

m**n
发帖数: 9010
49
Beida同学是确实不支持您的行为, 他的观点也说的很清楚,
我不觉得是冷眼看笑话。
至于我, 倒未必不同意您的观点, 但觉得您与Beida同学
争论时, 不知道是因为争不过了还是怎样, 就开始挑对方为什么
说英语这个问题了.
您觉得您这样的讨论方式对您争取大家支持是有好处的?

【在 z****0 的大作中提到】
: 我有明显的疏漏是肯定的,我又不是在这儿发表论文。
: 我也不指望能说服所有人。我只是希望大家加入到为亚裔争取平等权利的行列中来,而
: 不是冷眼看笑话。

z****0
发帖数: 3942
50
是不是冷眼看笑话每个人心里自然有结论。我认为他是。
至于英语的问题,我看着不舒服,为什么不能顺便说说?您爱怎么想是您的自由。

【在 m**n 的大作中提到】
: Beida同学是确实不支持您的行为, 他的观点也说的很清楚,
: 我不觉得是冷眼看笑话。
: 至于我, 倒未必不同意您的观点, 但觉得您与Beida同学
: 争论时, 不知道是因为争不过了还是怎样, 就开始挑对方为什么
: 说英语这个问题了.
: 您觉得您这样的讨论方式对您争取大家支持是有好处的?

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p*i
发帖数: 1328
51
Before you can persuade people to stand by your side, you really need to
improve your social etiquette and be respectful to your adversaries.
I am totally with Beida101 under this thread.

s

【在 p***7 的大作中提到】
: support 80-20 for its effort to fight for the interests of Asian.
: Beida101, I hope you can use your poor little head to think more.Dreaming
: about being recognized by other communities by only improving ourselves i s
: such an idiot idea . Fighting for our rights is always true.

m**n
发帖数: 9010
52
您看着不舒服, 当然可以顺便说说.
但您的顺便说说, 说明了一些问题:
1. 您对于一些根本无所谓对错的问题太不宽容.
2. 您自己在这里的说明中常常大段大段的英文, 却反而
挑别人为什么说英文这个问题. 说明您思考问题时容易有
自相矛盾而却不自知的情况.
当然这不说明是不是80-20的人都这样, 但您的行为显然
没有给他们帮助. 我看这比"冷眼看笑话"的后果要严重一些吧?

【在 z****0 的大作中提到】
: 是不是冷眼看笑话每个人心里自然有结论。我认为他是。
: 至于英语的问题,我看着不舒服,为什么不能顺便说说?您爱怎么想是您的自由。

z****0
发帖数: 3942
53
谢谢你码这么多字来辩这个问题。谁有问题不是你说了算的。

【在 m**n 的大作中提到】
: 您看着不舒服, 当然可以顺便说说.
: 但您的顺便说说, 说明了一些问题:
: 1. 您对于一些根本无所谓对错的问题太不宽容.
: 2. 您自己在这里的说明中常常大段大段的英文, 却反而
: 挑别人为什么说英文这个问题. 说明您思考问题时容易有
: 自相矛盾而却不自知的情况.
: 当然这不说明是不是80-20的人都这样, 但您的行为显然
: 没有给他们帮助. 我看这比"冷眼看笑话"的后果要严重一些吧?

m**n
发帖数: 9010
54
谁有问题? 不是我讨论的.
关键在"谁做的什么事"有问题.
您宣传80-20, 没有问题. Beida同学表达他反对的观点,
也没有问题.
您挑人家说英文, 有问题.
至于您与Beida同学有没有问题, 没有什么好讨论的.

【在 z****0 的大作中提到】
: 谢谢你码这么多字来辩这个问题。谁有问题不是你说了算的。
b********i
发帖数: 10335
55
呵呵。说实话,我觉得你确实是缺乏技巧和淡定心态。
不过如果要是有人说,在这里,不要争,只要提高自身就好了,我个人觉得很扯淡---
那个谁,我是说我个人觉得哈---就是一典型的小农意识加奴性懦夫。---我某种程度上
也是,不过主要可能还是因为惰性。
还有,华裔参政其实一直是半死不活刚刚起步,本来总体势力就不大还山头林立各自为
政,但我同意,做了就是比什么都不做强,起码哪怕做错了什么了,也能让公众发现,
还有华裔的某些个团体可以发出声音,虽然可能听着像蚊子打嚏喷。
总有个过程和时间才能成熟,总需要付出代价。

【在 z****0 的大作中提到】
: 谢谢你码这么多字来辩这个问题。谁有问题不是你说了算的。
z****0
发帖数: 3942
56
我接受你的批评。我日常生活也不这样,可这不是虚拟论坛吗?所以我没耐心和有些预
设立场而且立场很扯淡的人解释,直接点出其痛点了事。

【在 b********i 的大作中提到】
: 呵呵。说实话,我觉得你确实是缺乏技巧和淡定心态。
: 不过如果要是有人说,在这里,不要争,只要提高自身就好了,我个人觉得很扯淡---
: 那个谁,我是说我个人觉得哈---就是一典型的小农意识加奴性懦夫。---我某种程度上
: 也是,不过主要可能还是因为惰性。
: 还有,华裔参政其实一直是半死不活刚刚起步,本来总体势力就不大还山头林立各自为
: 政,但我同意,做了就是比什么都不做强,起码哪怕做错了什么了,也能让公众发现,
: 还有华裔的某些个团体可以发出声音,虽然可能听着像蚊子打嚏喷。
: 总有个过程和时间才能成熟,总需要付出代价。

b********i
发帖数: 10335
57
那不合适的。。。
我随便说无所谓的,因为我在这里是无门无派只代表我自己。
可是有些人就会认为你代表那个20/80。

【在 z****0 的大作中提到】
: 我接受你的批评。我日常生活也不这样,可这不是虚拟论坛吗?所以我没耐心和有些预
: 设立场而且立场很扯淡的人解释,直接点出其痛点了事。

z****0
发帖数: 3942
58
我不过是他们会员,给他们捐款。我不能代表他们组织。
我看无门无派就对了,在这儿还拉帮结派算怎么回事。

【在 b********i 的大作中提到】
: 那不合适的。。。
: 我随便说无所谓的,因为我在这里是无门无派只代表我自己。
: 可是有些人就会认为你代表那个20/80。

s**********r
发帖数: 427
59
难啊。
老中就是太聪明了干什么都怕自己被利用。
不管如何是应该告一下,不然都没人了你
s**********r
发帖数: 427
60
难啊。
老中就是太聪明了干什么都怕自己被利用。
不管如何是应该告一下,不然都没人了你
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g****s
发帖数: 340
61
支持zing20.
beida101和moun这种老中我见过。自己没什么行动力,就爱对别人唧唧歪歪,挑三捡四
。平时自命清高,没什么人搭理。这种家庭我也见过。养出来的儿子窝囊,女儿也是又
丑脾气又怪。这种人就让他们自生自灭好了,社会会淘汰掉他们的。
z****0
发帖数: 3942
62
华人要在政治上要获得重视,在职业和教育发展上获得真正平等权利,只有一条路,就
是像黑人和犹太人一样团结起来,通过bloc vote来向政客表达自己的观点。现在80-20
争取的根本不是对亚裔的优待(例如现在黑人和Hispanic享受的),而仅仅是一个和白
人平等的待遇(不仅仅是学校录取,更重要的是在政府和企业中职业成长的权利和在司
法系统的自己的代表)。去80-20的网站看看就知道他们在为亚裔争取什么。
作为亚裔,如果你不支持他们做的事,可以理解,你不加入,不捐款就行。但我很不理
解北大这样的站着说风凉话的,你觉得自己NB是吧?已经融入主流社会了,连英语都成
了你的preferred language。你可能确实很成功,你的孩子可能也不需要80-20为他争
取权利。可是请你不要忘记自己需要帮助的同胞,那些自己孩子本可以上更好的大学却
不能,那些fullly qualified本可以提名为联邦法官的华裔律师却不能,以及众多在职
场被玻璃(或竹子)天花板困扰的华裔。他们都需要我们团结起来,争取我们应得的权
利。

【在 s**********r 的大作中提到】
: 难啊。
: 老中就是太聪明了干什么都怕自己被利用。
: 不管如何是应该告一下,不然都没人了你

d*****n
发帖数: 494
63
支持!
应以善良信任积极快乐的心态对待世界和他人。也许这里的每一个中国人都是一条龙,
但是聚在一起就成了虫。为什么?国人从小受到的教育就是排座位、比分数,致使
很多人会习惯性焦虑不安地将所有人都看成竞争对象和潜在威胁,必须把他们都“比”
下去甚至“踩”在脚下才能获得暂时的舒坦。。很大程度上造成了中国人一盘散沙的局
面。
中国人的确需要一个这样的组织,不管成功与否。至少开始了就是一个巨大的进步!

20

【在 z****0 的大作中提到】
: 华人要在政治上要获得重视,在职业和教育发展上获得真正平等权利,只有一条路,就
: 是像黑人和犹太人一样团结起来,通过bloc vote来向政客表达自己的观点。现在80-20
: 争取的根本不是对亚裔的优待(例如现在黑人和Hispanic享受的),而仅仅是一个和白
: 人平等的待遇(不仅仅是学校录取,更重要的是在政府和企业中职业成长的权利和在司
: 法系统的自己的代表)。去80-20的网站看看就知道他们在为亚裔争取什么。
: 作为亚裔,如果你不支持他们做的事,可以理解,你不加入,不捐款就行。但我很不理
: 解北大这样的站着说风凉话的,你觉得自己NB是吧?已经融入主流社会了,连英语都成
: 了你的preferred language。你可能确实很成功,你的孩子可能也不需要80-20为他争
: 取权利。可是请你不要忘记自己需要帮助的同胞,那些自己孩子本可以上更好的大学却
: 不能,那些fullly qualified本可以提名为联邦法官的华裔律师却不能,以及众多在职

D***h
发帖数: 78
64
支持!

20

【在 z****0 的大作中提到】
: 华人要在政治上要获得重视,在职业和教育发展上获得真正平等权利,只有一条路,就
: 是像黑人和犹太人一样团结起来,通过bloc vote来向政客表达自己的观点。现在80-20
: 争取的根本不是对亚裔的优待(例如现在黑人和Hispanic享受的),而仅仅是一个和白
: 人平等的待遇(不仅仅是学校录取,更重要的是在政府和企业中职业成长的权利和在司
: 法系统的自己的代表)。去80-20的网站看看就知道他们在为亚裔争取什么。
: 作为亚裔,如果你不支持他们做的事,可以理解,你不加入,不捐款就行。但我很不理
: 解北大这样的站着说风凉话的,你觉得自己NB是吧?已经融入主流社会了,连英语都成
: 了你的preferred language。你可能确实很成功,你的孩子可能也不需要80-20为他争
: 取权利。可是请你不要忘记自己需要帮助的同胞,那些自己孩子本可以上更好的大学却
: 不能,那些fullly qualified本可以提名为联邦法官的华裔律师却不能,以及众多在职

b*********r
发帖数: 2532
65
支持。

【在 a********k 的大作中提到】
: 希望能帮助提高亚裔高校录取率的“法律之友”文书已经正式递交最高法院了。文书的
: 具体内容请见:
: http://www.80-20educationalfoundation.org/pdf/amicus-brief.pdf
: 主要发起组织80-20亚裔教育基金会向大家介绍了这篇文书的起草和递交的一些具体情
: 况:
: “二月时,美国最高法院同意受理Fisher vs. University of Texas (德州大学) 关于
: 高校录取学生时把“族裔”作为考量之一这种做法是否违宪。事实上,因为亚裔家庭一
: 般很重视孩子的教育,所以亚裔孩子普遍比较优秀。于是许多名校一看考生是亚裔就人
: 为地增高了录取门槛。例如要入同一所名校,亚裔录取生的SAT要比西裔和非裔高三,
: 四百分。

b*********r
发帖数: 2532
66
你这样的时少数,不要标新立异说什么风凉话

【在 i******e 的大作中提到】
: “虎妈和财爸们,请问送娃学钢琴的Return on Investment是多少呢?我先生帮哈佛做
: 录取面试时,发现70%的小中娃都是钢琴十级,所以大家辛苦供孩子学钢琴的ROI从爬藤
: 的意义来讲其实是小的可怜的。"
: ------------------------------------------
: 让我这样辛苦供孩子学钢琴完全为了支持孩子对钢琴的爱好,从没想过ROI的家长很无
: 语。

D***h
发帖数: 78
67
赞 "Dreaming about being recognized by other communities by only improving
ourselves is such an idiot idea."

s

【在 p***7 的大作中提到】
: support 80-20 for its effort to fight for the interests of Asian.
: Beida101, I hope you can use your poor little head to think more.Dreaming
: about being recognized by other communities by only improving ourselves i s
: such an idiot idea . Fighting for our rights is always true.

D*****e
发帖数: 761
68
这都是啥逻辑啊???
傻子都知道具体事情具体分析,所以你认为这项法案对华人不利???
这和你说得什么有一毛钱关系?

its

【在 B******1 的大作中提到】
: If an organization calls itself NON-political and educational, it is to its
: own benefit to keep clear of the political battleground.
: Politics does not mingle well with education.

D*****e
发帖数: 761
69
这怎么是标新立异?我周围的人包括我自己都是这样想的,难道学的琴,打个球的还总
想着回报?
让孩子快乐健康全面地成长不是共识吗?
难道我们有代沟?

【在 b*********r 的大作中提到】
: 你这样的时少数,不要标新立异说什么风凉话
B******1
发帖数: 9094
70
哈佛大学年初时被教育部调查是否在录取上对亚裔有歧视之嫌,今年亚裔的录取率就是
近年来最高的,比往年增加了15%。
In furtherance of the above analysis regarding the listing of two facts
together: 1) investigation of Harvard; and 2) increased admission rate for
Asian Americans into Harvard, I did a little research.
The referenced investigation was reported on Feb. 2, 2012. However, more
importantly, on Feb. 17, 2012, the U.S. Department of Education has closed
its investigation into alleged discrimination against Asian Americans in
Harvard’s admissions policies following the withdrawal of the initial
complaint.
Considering that the initiation and the closure of this investigation were
separated by ONLY 15 days, it is highly unlikely that the author who picked
ONLY the initiation of the investigation ACCIDENTALLY missed the end of the
investigation. Rather, the author ignored this fact!
Now it becomes clear that not only the so-call investigation has most
likely no effect on the admission rate for Asian Americans into Harvard,
it also points out that the author is manipulating the facts to buttress his
claim that 80-20 should be credited for the increased admission rate!
Further, it is also odd for me to find that the linkage or relationship of
the two seemingly irrelevant events was ONLY mentioned in the Chinese
version of the propaganda materials used by 80-20. Why not present these
two so-called correlated or even causal events in the same sentence in
English? One possible reason lies in the fact, if the author did, he would
be facing a lawsuit from Harvard because he is defaming a prestigious, world
-class university. Consequently, it lead to another question: why the
author used the same linkage in the Chinese version? One possible reason is
that the author thought a Chinese reader is easier to be fooled than an
English reader. Moreover, even if a Chinese reader finds out this pathetic,
ill-devised, defamation attack on Harvard, the same Chinese reader would not
launch a lawsuit against the author!
Finally, it appears that the author thought the Chinese readers are dumb,
with neither logical thinking abilities nor fact-checking skills. He might
get away with such cheating elsewhere, but certainly NOT on the turf of
the Parenting Forum! Not on my watch. Like all parents, I hate cheating and
will not let it go away easily!
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g***r
发帖数: 281
71
能不能给个总结。尤其是obama当初允诺的几条,哪些兑现了,哪些没兑现?

【在 z****0 的大作中提到】
: 请你去以下链接看Obama做了什么:
: http://www.80-20initiative.net/about/unity1.asp

B******1
发帖数: 9094
72
Here it is.

亲爱的朋友,周末的时候,我去参加了儿子的钢琴汇报演出。他们那场的21个学生几乎
都是亚裔小朋友,颁奖的时候孩子们几乎也都考上了级。虎妈和财爸们,请问送娃学钢
琴的Return on Investment是多少呢?我先生帮哈佛做录取面试时,发现70%的小中娃
都是钢琴十级,所以大家辛苦供孩子学钢琴的ROI从爬藤的意义来讲其实是小的可怜的
。然而在这个案子上,你的投入应当是有回报的。哈佛大学年初时被教育部调查是否在
录取上对亚裔有歧视之嫌,今年亚裔的录取率就是近年来最高的,比往年增加了15%。
请问当你的孩子或孩子的孩子以后在上大学时,你是否可以自豪地告诉他说, ‘我在帮
你入理想的学校时尽了我的力量呢?”除了80-20,还有哪个组织愿意挑头为大家做这
件事儿呢。如果大家都不吭气,那些支持学校的亚裔组织就已经理直气壮地代表了我们
。如果您愿意支持80-20在这次的努力,请考虑和我一样,花一堂钢琴课的钱支持80-20
促进会(http://www.80-20initiative.net/),

【在 a********k 的大作中提到】
: 希望能帮助提高亚裔高校录取率的“法律之友”文书已经正式递交最高法院了。文书的
: 具体内容请见:
: http://www.80-20educationalfoundation.org/pdf/amicus-brief.pdf
: 主要发起组织80-20亚裔教育基金会向大家介绍了这篇文书的起草和递交的一些具体情
: 况:
: “二月时,美国最高法院同意受理Fisher vs. University of Texas (德州大学) 关于
: 高校录取学生时把“族裔”作为考量之一这种做法是否违宪。事实上,因为亚裔家庭一
: 般很重视孩子的教育,所以亚裔孩子普遍比较优秀。于是许多名校一看考生是亚裔就人
: 为地增高了录取门槛。例如要入同一所名校,亚裔录取生的SAT要比西裔和非裔高三,
: 四百分。

D***h
发帖数: 78
73
Re

【在 g****s 的大作中提到】
: 支持zing20.
: beida101和moun这种老中我见过。自己没什么行动力,就爱对别人唧唧歪歪,挑三捡四
: 。平时自命清高,没什么人搭理。这种家庭我也见过。养出来的儿子窝囊,女儿也是又
: 丑脾气又怪。这种人就让他们自生自灭好了,社会会淘汰掉他们的。

B******1
发帖数: 9094
74
"A Lie Is A Lie "
A lie is a lie
Whether it's a little one or small, short or tall
A lie is a lie
That's the truth of it all
A lie is a lie
When you tell a lie, it picks up momentum and in the end
You surely cannot win
A lie is a lie
You told a story, but the truth did unfold
This habit of lying is starting to get old.
a lie is a lie
If you tell one, you will have to tell two or three
This act of lying is getting next to me.
A lie is a lie
The art of lying is a never ending story
That will definitely keep us out of glory.
A lie is a lie
when you start lying , you have to keep it up
Then everyone knows you have broken your bonds of trust.
A lie is a lie
We all know that lying is like a contagious germ
That causes everyone irrefutable harm.
A lie is a lie, not telling the truth is just an old alibi that started from
our youth.
Benny Faye Douglass (C) Copyright 2011
n****y
发帖数: 6260
75
这是80/20官网内容?
好吧,我现在被说服这个组织完全不靠谱。

/4

【在 z****0 的大作中提到】
: 你不要低估大家的智商,80-20为亚裔做了什么,共和党对亚裔权利的态度如何,大家
: 可以自己去研究。以下摘自80-20网站.
: In 2000, 80-20 was 2 yrs old & endorsed Gore enthusiastically because Gore
: sent us a strong letter of commitment while Bush didn't. AsAms voted 54/41/4
: for Gore/Bush/Nader.
: The GOP has a (13 pt) dis-advantage.
: In 2004, 80-20 endorsed Kerry with reservation because he answered our
: questionnaire with all yeses (3) but failed to keep a promise. Bush didn't
: answer. AsAms voted 58/41/0 for Kerry/Bush/others.
: The GOP has a (17 pt) dis-advantage.

m**n
发帖数: 9010
76
你的意思是说, 支持你的人, 可以说"我支持",
人家就算不加入,不捐款, 只要在这儿说"我支持", 你就什么话都没有.
不支持你的人, 人家就只有"不加入,不捐款"的权利.
用语言来表示反对的权利是没有的,
连在这儿说"我不支持"都不行. 说了, 就要被你讽刺一番?

20

【在 z****0 的大作中提到】
: 华人要在政治上要获得重视,在职业和教育发展上获得真正平等权利,只有一条路,就
: 是像黑人和犹太人一样团结起来,通过bloc vote来向政客表达自己的观点。现在80-20
: 争取的根本不是对亚裔的优待(例如现在黑人和Hispanic享受的),而仅仅是一个和白
: 人平等的待遇(不仅仅是学校录取,更重要的是在政府和企业中职业成长的权利和在司
: 法系统的自己的代表)。去80-20的网站看看就知道他们在为亚裔争取什么。
: 作为亚裔,如果你不支持他们做的事,可以理解,你不加入,不捐款就行。但我很不理
: 解北大这样的站着说风凉话的,你觉得自己NB是吧?已经融入主流社会了,连英语都成
: 了你的preferred language。你可能确实很成功,你的孩子可能也不需要80-20为他争
: 取权利。可是请你不要忘记自己需要帮助的同胞,那些自己孩子本可以上更好的大学却
: 不能,那些fullly qualified本可以提名为联邦法官的华裔律师却不能,以及众多在职

h*****7
发帖数: 2120
77
我真的很好奇你教育的孩子是什么样的.对自己的 identity 是怎么看的。

is

【在 B******1 的大作中提到】
: *80-20 Educational Foundation is a 501(C)(3) tax-exempt organization. It is
: devoted to furthering equal opportunity in the workplace and equal justice
: for Asian Americans.
: The above is the quotation from the end of LZ's message.
: As it indicated, supposedly, this 80-20 is not your 80-20. A political
: organization can NOT be a 501(C)(3), which is reserved for educational and
: religious organizations.
: I do read and think before I write a reply.
:
: to

B******1
发帖数: 9094
78
Never lie!
Chinese American!

【在 h*****7 的大作中提到】
: 我真的很好奇你教育的孩子是什么样的.对自己的 identity 是怎么看的。
:
: is

m**n
发帖数: 9010
79
我的解释很简单 - 民族上当然是中国人.
国籍上, 是美国人. 这个国籍就好象哪个地方的membership,
你免费拿到了干吗不用?

【在 B******1 的大作中提到】
: Never lie!
: Chinese American!

w********o
发帖数: 1621
80
He rocked your heart so much that you would be willing to give him your son'
s admission? Remember that there are limited admissions. One kid has to give
up for this homeless guy to be admitted. Yes, I want a kid like him to have
a chance, but not at the cost of another kid with a bright future in front
of him, a child like yours. It's just not FAIR!

【在 B******1 的大作中提到】
: 在你们的中文版"号召书"中有这么一句"哈佛大学年初时被教育部调查是否在录取上
: 对亚裔有歧视之嫌,今年亚裔的录取率就是近年来最高的,比往年增加了15%。"
: Hehe, logical fallacy. Correlation does not equal causation. The reason
: could be that 2012 is the Dragon year!
: 我查了一下,这个调查开始15天之后就被停止了,因为起诉的人撤诉了,现在也没有
: 类似的调查。这都是事实。80-20作为一个标榜自己多么神圣的组织,连这种给别
: 人抹黑给自己贴金的下三烂的伎俩都使得出来,欺负我们中国人没脑子,没逻辑,没调
: 查研究的能力,是不是?
: 你的谎言可能欺骗部分人一世,也可能蒙所有人一时,但你决不可能唬弄
: 所有人一辈子!等潮水落下去的时候,你会发现自己的泳裤都没了!

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m**n
发帖数: 9010
81
你是否认为法律规定给少数族裔(或者其他弱势群体)在招生上
的任何照顾, 都是不应该的?
还是你认为可以照顾, 但现在的程度/具体方式不合理.
这两种看法对应的截然不同的结论.

son'
give
have
front

【在 w********o 的大作中提到】
: He rocked your heart so much that you would be willing to give him your son'
: s admission? Remember that there are limited admissions. One kid has to give
: up for this homeless guy to be admitted. Yes, I want a kid like him to have
: a chance, but not at the cost of another kid with a bright future in front
: of him, a child like yours. It's just not FAIR!

p********3
发帖数: 33
82
争争争。。我为北大那位同学和muon 感到难过。只有鄙视!
在美国这片地方。你还要按照白人的道理来讲,那华裔再过百年都翻不了身。只有团结
起来发出维护自己利益的声音,才能得到自己的利益,让别人尊重你。
所以凡是为了华人利益的团体和事情,不论是哪个党的,那个团体的,我们都要支持,
而且要表达出支持的声音。
不论各个团体处于经济或其他利益的原因在操作上有什么瑕疵,观点上有什么偏差。这
些都不能成为打击和反对的理由。 因为我们要鼓励的是华人站出来寻求华人利益最大
化的任何行为和社团。只有在大家都出来为自己的利益发声,别人才能重视你。只有声
音足够大时, 才能影响美国社会。
等华人地位向犹太人那样了,你们再来挑刺,挖苦,打击都来得及的。只要我们团结,
终有一天华人会向犹太人那样的。
p*******s
发帖数: 369
83
我力挺80-20,我不是公民,也没有投票权,但愿意出工出力.
c***z
发帖数: 6348
84
老大
你自己逻辑不行,就别讲逻辑了吧
causality does not equal correlation, true, but they didn't claim it either
also, you don't even have correlation!

【在 B******1 的大作中提到】
: 在你们的中文版"号召书"中有这么一句"哈佛大学年初时被教育部调查是否在录取上
: 对亚裔有歧视之嫌,今年亚裔的录取率就是近年来最高的,比往年增加了15%。"
: Hehe, logical fallacy. Correlation does not equal causation. The reason
: could be that 2012 is the Dragon year!
: 我查了一下,这个调查开始15天之后就被停止了,因为起诉的人撤诉了,现在也没有
: 类似的调查。这都是事实。80-20作为一个标榜自己多么神圣的组织,连这种给别
: 人抹黑给自己贴金的下三烂的伎俩都使得出来,欺负我们中国人没脑子,没逻辑,没调
: 查研究的能力,是不是?
: 你的谎言可能欺骗部分人一世,也可能蒙所有人一时,但你决不可能唬弄
: 所有人一辈子!等潮水落下去的时候,你会发现自己的泳裤都没了!

c***z
发帖数: 6348
85
还不许人家悬崖勒马了吗
谁对华人好就挺谁呗

20

【在 Z*****l 的大作中提到】
: 北大的ID们能坚持政见,左派能阐述左派的道理,右派能坚持右派的思想,好过80-20
: 与其支持者,先左后右,朝三暮四,反复无常,居然还想自圆其说。

w****6
发帖数: 796
86
路过,支持一下zing20

80

【在 z****0 的大作中提到】
: 按你的逻辑,当年黑人也没必要去争取平权,光提高自己,让哈佛后悔不就行了?你真
: 以为哈佛会后悔?
: 美国国会至今没有为当年的排华法案道歉,为什么?因为亚裔没有团结起来去争取。80
: /20现在做的,就是让亚裔团结起来从政治上争取自己平等的权利。
:
: could
: pay

B******1
发帖数: 9094
87
哈佛大学年初时被教育部调查是否在录取上对亚裔有歧视之嫌,今年亚裔的录取率 - -
就是 - - 近年来最高的,比往年增加了15%。
- - 就是 - -, isn't that causation?
年初 and 今年, isn't that correlation?
You decide.

either

【在 c***z 的大作中提到】
: 老大
: 你自己逻辑不行,就别讲逻辑了吧
: causality does not equal correlation, true, but they didn't claim it either
: also, you don't even have correlation!

c***z
发帖数: 6348
88
举个栗子,饭店年初时被调查卫生情况,今年卫生评上了先进。
为神马?因为怕被搞啊。我觉得causality还是比较明显的。
另外causality是属于理论部分的,不是由事实推导的。数据是用来证明理论的,而不
是导出理论。最坏的社会学就是data mining的社会学。
当然这是一个孤证,属于case study的范围。但是case study不需要提供causality,
而应该留给读者来决定。忘记谁说的了,应该是个大牛社会学家。

-

【在 B******1 的大作中提到】
: 哈佛大学年初时被教育部调查是否在录取上对亚裔有歧视之嫌,今年亚裔的录取率 - -
: 就是 - - 近年来最高的,比往年增加了15%。
: - - 就是 - -, isn't that causation?
: 年初 and 今年, isn't that correlation?
: You decide.
:
: either

H*******a
发帖数: 663
89
您这话说的, 太掉份了。。。
有理讲理, 人身攻击就是大大的要不得。我很少发言, 我觉得这2人说话挺理智,说
的东西我的觉得不错, 绝对不是不讲道理之人, 反之, 常常说不过, 就人生攻击,
就显得比较低劣哦。。。

【在 g****s 的大作中提到】
: 支持zing20.
: beida101和moun这种老中我见过。自己没什么行动力,就爱对别人唧唧歪歪,挑三捡四
: 。平时自命清高,没什么人搭理。这种家庭我也见过。养出来的儿子窝囊,女儿也是又
: 丑脾气又怪。这种人就让他们自生自灭好了,社会会淘汰掉他们的。

H*******a
发帖数: 663
90
我觉得支持亚裔权利没错, 我全力支持。
但是如果是以这个为名义, 支持民主党, 支持o8, 我可不支持。o8就那张嘴还挺会说
, 其他。。。No

to
the

【在 z****0 的大作中提到】
: 你哪里看来的?
: 80-20当然是个政治团体,上次总统大选背书了Obama,帮Obama得到绝大多数亚裔的选
: 票。以下是80-20对自己组织的定义。
: 80-20 is a national, nonpartisan, Political Action Committee dedicated to
: winning equal opportunity and justice for all Asian Americans through a
: SWING bloc vote, ideally directing 80% of our community's votes and money to
: the presidential candidate endorsed by the 80-20, who better represents the
: interests of all APAs. Hence, the name "80-20" was created.

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i*****k
发帖数: 2576
91
即使调查被停止了,被调查这事情本来也可能作为一种威慑啊。这不是很自然的理解吗。
除非你能证明今年亚裔录取比往年增加15% 是谎言。
如果这数字是真的话,你给个更合理的其他解释?比如经济不好其他族父母愿意花钱的
少了所以申请的少了?听着感觉不那么有说服力。
另外我没明白为什么你这么义愤填膺,支持80-20大大的损害了你的利益了吗?

【在 B******1 的大作中提到】
: 在你们的中文版"号召书"中有这么一句"哈佛大学年初时被教育部调查是否在录取上
: 对亚裔有歧视之嫌,今年亚裔的录取率就是近年来最高的,比往年增加了15%。"
: Hehe, logical fallacy. Correlation does not equal causation. The reason
: could be that 2012 is the Dragon year!
: 我查了一下,这个调查开始15天之后就被停止了,因为起诉的人撤诉了,现在也没有
: 类似的调查。这都是事实。80-20作为一个标榜自己多么神圣的组织,连这种给别
: 人抹黑给自己贴金的下三烂的伎俩都使得出来,欺负我们中国人没脑子,没逻辑,没调
: 查研究的能力,是不是?
: 你的谎言可能欺骗部分人一世,也可能蒙所有人一时,但你决不可能唬弄
: 所有人一辈子!等潮水落下去的时候,你会发现自己的泳裤都没了!

i*****k
发帖数: 2576
92
你给说说,如果这个团体为亚裔争取了更多权利,会对美国这个国家有哪些负面影响?
请具体列出。
你作为亚裔一员,不支持这个团体帮你争取更多权利(听着有点非理性),那你反对的
依据是什么呢?心系天下大公无私?

【在 B******1 的大作中提到】
: Well, you did not see the mistakes in the statement?
: And you did not know the meaning of Hehe in a post????
: Speaking of the political goals, what 80-20 is doing is the following:
: Under the name of equal rights for all races, try to INCREASE the benefits
: received by the race of the organization regardless of the impact of the
: proposed change to the nation as a whole.
: Moreover,the notion of using a voter bloc of one race to increase the
: political weight thereof is ill-fated.
: First, you cannot control how each of your member votes in a given election.
: Second, you can never claim the WHOLE race vote according to your

i*****k
发帖数: 2576
93
你要证明下你的结论:为什么一个歧视之嫌的调查,因为15天后被撤销了,就没有作用。
比如你有什么错误被人匿名信了,你使用关系摆平了,但这匿名信真的对你的行为一点
影响都没有吗?
另外不知道类似的哈佛的歧视之嫌的调查,多大比例被撤,一般多少天被撤。

Considering that the initiation and the closure of this investigation were
separated by ONLY 15 days, it is highly unlikely that the author who picked
ONLY the initiation of the investigation ACCIDENTALLY missed the end of the
investigation. Rather, the author ignored this fact!
Now it becomes clear that not only the so-call investigation has most
likely no effect on the admission rate for Asian Americans into Harvard,
it also points out that the author is manipulating the facts to buttress his
claim that 80-20 should be credited for the increased admission rate!

【在 B******1 的大作中提到】
: 哈佛大学年初时被教育部调查是否在录取上对亚裔有歧视之嫌,今年亚裔的录取率 - -
: 就是 - - 近年来最高的,比往年增加了15%。
: - - 就是 - -, isn't that causation?
: 年初 and 今年, isn't that correlation?
: You decide.
:
: either

B******1
发帖数: 9094
94
这个所谓的联系在逻辑上是站不住脚的。我还可以说:
今年是龙年,今年亚裔的录取率就是近年来最高的,比往年增加了15%。
龙年嘛,龙的子孙当然应该占光了。我这个推断和80-20所说的,在逻辑上不分彼
此。
再来看一看所谓15%的录取率增长。去年(2011)是哈佛录取亚裔较低的一年(
2008-2012)。今年恰好是哈佛录取亚裔较高的一年。五年中,录取率就在1
7。6-20。7%的区间波动。
从这个数据比较中,你能说今年的20。7%是因为一个有始无终的调查吗?
Data:
Harvard University Class of 2016
Harvard admitted a record low 5.9 percent to the Class of 2016.
1,260 students were admitted regular decision, while 772 were admitted early
. The admit rate for regular decision was 3.8 percent.
20.7 percent of the admits are Asian. 10.2 percent of the admits are African
American. 11.2 percent of the admits are Latino. 10 percent of the admits
are international students.
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Harvard University Class of 2015
Harvard Admits Record Low 6.2 Percent
Harvard received 34,950 applications this year. 2,158 students were accepted
, or 6.2 percent. Last year, 6.9 percent were admitted.
17.8 percent of the accepted class is Asian American, 11.8 percent is
African American, 12.1 percent is Latino, 1.9 percent is Native American,
and 0.2 percent is Native Hawaiian.
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Harvard University Class of 2014
Harvard Admits Record Low 6.9 Percent
Harvard received 30,489 applications this year, compared to 29,114
applications last year. 2,110 students were accepted, or 6.9 percent.
A total of 18.2 percent of the admitted students indicated they were Asian-
American (17.5 percent last year), 11.3 percent African-American (10.4
percent last year), 10.3 percent Latino (10.6 percent last year), 2.7
percent Native American (1.1 percent last year) and 0.4 percent Native
Hawaiian (0.2 percent last year).
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Harvard University Class of 2013
Harvard Admits 7.1 Percent
Harvard received 29,112 applications this year, compared to 27,462
applications last year. 2,046 students, or 7 percent, of the applicants
were admitted, compared to 7.9 percent last year.
Of the admitted students, 10.9 percent are Latino, 10.8 percent are African
American, 17.6 percent are Asian American, and 1.3 percent are Native
American.
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Harvard University Class of 2012
Harvard Admits 7.1 Percent
Harvard received 27,462 applications this year. This represents an increase
of 18% over last year. 1,948 applicants were admitted, for an admit rate
of 7.1 percent this year, compared to 9 percent last year.
18.5 percent of the admits are Asian American, and 11 percent are African
American.
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Harvard University Class of 2011
Harvard Admits 9 Percent Overall
Harvard received a total of 22,955 applications for admission to the Class
of 2011, compared to 22,754 applications received last year. This number
represents an increase of 0.9 percent from last year when Harvard received
22,754 applications. 2,058 applicants, or 9 percent, were accepted.
20 percent of the admits were Asian, 10.7 percent are black, and 10.1
percent are Latino.
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Harvard University Class of 2010
Harvard Admits 9.3 Percent Overall
Harvard saw a slight decrease in the number of applicants to its incoming
class. 22,753 students applied, 77 fewer than last year. Harvard saw a
record number of applicants for the incoming classes of 2008 and 2009,
including a 15 percent increase in applications last year.
2,109 of the applicants, or 9.3 percent, were admitted. Harvard expects a
yield of approximately 78 percent and is aiming for an incoming class of 1,
684.
A record 9.8 percent of the admits are Latino, compared to 8.2 percent last
year. The percentage of African-Americans admits remained constant at 10.5
percent. The percentage of Asian-Americans rose to 17.7 percent, still a
full percentage point below the Class of 1998's mark.
A record 51.8 percent of admitted students are female, up from 49.5 percent
last year.

吗。

【在 i*****k 的大作中提到】
: 即使调查被停止了,被调查这事情本来也可能作为一种威慑啊。这不是很自然的理解吗。
: 除非你能证明今年亚裔录取比往年增加15% 是谎言。
: 如果这数字是真的话,你给个更合理的其他解释?比如经济不好其他族父母愿意花钱的
: 少了所以申请的少了?听着感觉不那么有说服力。
: 另外我没明白为什么你这么义愤填膺,支持80-20大大的损害了你的利益了吗?

i*****k
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那我也把我在另一贴的回复搬过来:
很受不了这个逻辑,看了半天才明白.2008-2012年5年中亚裔录取率按高低排为17.6
; 17.8; 18.2; 18.5; 20.7.
然后北大同学说这5年都在17.6-20.7%之间波动,所以20.7%是正常的.
那如果是23%比如,是不是要说这5年都在17.6-23%波动,所以23%是正常的?... 依次类推.
人家用增长率怎么不准确了? 无话可说. 从2008到2012(2007年增长差不多可以和2012
可以并列), 除了2012年,录取率增长率三年为负,一年低于4%,只有2012年超过15% 倒不
如你的17.6-20.7%区间波动说更准确是吧.
还有你的龙年类比,简直是在抬杠.

【在 B******1 的大作中提到】
: 这个所谓的联系在逻辑上是站不住脚的。我还可以说:
: 今年是龙年,今年亚裔的录取率就是近年来最高的,比往年增加了15%。
: 龙年嘛,龙的子孙当然应该占光了。我这个推断和80-20所说的,在逻辑上不分彼
: 此。
: 再来看一看所谓15%的录取率增长。去年(2011)是哈佛录取亚裔较低的一年(
: 2008-2012)。今年恰好是哈佛录取亚裔较高的一年。五年中,录取率就在1
: 7。6-20。7%的区间波动。
: 从这个数据比较中,你能说今年的20。7%是因为一个有始无终的调查吗?
: Data:
: Harvard University Class of 2016

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