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发帖数: 3942 | 1 Another Sad Story - I'll vouch for its truth
From: "S.B.Woo"
I know this father who sent me this story about his son's
recent experience in applying to colleges. I hope that Asian
Am elected officials, and leaders of Asian Am. civic & civil
rights organizations are paying attention. Let's press them
to be accountable to us. S.B.
EXCERPTS : From this father's letter to Stewart Kwoh s***[email protected]
(Stewart's APALC supports a "race-conscious" policy in a pending
Supreme Court case regarding college admission policy.
Martin's Experience in Applying to Colleges
"Martin had a 4.35* weighted GPA, 33 ACT score, he took four subject
SAT, & more than 10 AP tests during his high school years. Martin
ranked 7th out of 455 high school graduates according to his junior year
weighted school transcript. He was a high school varsity tennis team
member for four years and captain and number one single for the last
two years. He was also a city teen council member for 4 years, vice
president & then the president for the last two years. The city teen
council organizes teens to do various volunteer work & make our city a
better place to live. Martin worked for the city Parks & Recreational
Division as a volunteer tennis coach during semesters for 4 years, & he
worked as a summer tennis camp counselor for pay in his Junior & Senior
years.
But in the 2012 college admission season, Martin was rejected by Harvard,
UPenn, Cornell, Georgetown, and Duke University.
On the other hand, Martin was accepted by UC Berkeley with a Regents &
Chancellors Scholarship, the highest award for undergraduates with only
800 total slots (200 for freshmen) for all students at Berkeley. Martin was
also accepted by UCLA, UCSD, UC Davis and UC Irvine with combined
merit/need based scholarships. "
What's the Difference between
UC System & those Private Colleges?
This father continues, "What is the difference between the UC systems
and selective colleges on the East Coast? Different admission policies! UC
adopted a more race-neutral admission policy after Prop. 209 and Bakke
v. UC Davis Supreme Court case, while highly selective colleges outside
California had a more race-conscious admission policy.
Some Asian Ams (especially those officials & civic leaders who support
the Dem. Party - added by S. B. Woo) thought that there might be too
many Asian American students in highly selective colleges based on our
population percentage in the U.S. and we should share some
opportunities with other under-represented minori 27e4 ties, even at a cost
to
our own kids. We found out on the Web site at http://www.hillel.org/index
that both UPenn and Georgetown had a higher percentage of Jewish
Americans than Asian Americans. The Jewish population is only about
half of Asian Americans in the United States from the Census
data. >" (end)
*4.0 is the highest GPA. But weighted GPA which counts hard courses
more may get above 4.0.
The subtitles above were added by S. B. Woo. Otherwise, everything
between quotes are from this father, unless otherwise specified. | i******e
发帖数: 1720 | | i******e
发帖数: 1720 | 3 真拿Berkeley 跟Harvard比, mid-tier UC 跟top-25 比啊？
But in the 2012 college admission season, Martin was rejected by Harvard,
UPenn, Cornell, Georgetown, and Duke University.
On the other hand, Martin was accepted by UC Berkeley with a Regents &
Chancellors Scholarship, the highest award for undergraduates with only
800 total slots (200 for freshmen) for all students at Berkeley. Martin was
also accepted by UCLA, UCSD, UC Davis and UC Irvine with combined
merit/need based scholarships. "
【在 z****0 的大作中提到】
: Another Sad Story - I'll vouch for its truth
: From: "S.B.Woo"
: I know this father who sent me this story about his son's
: recent experience in applying to colleges. I hope that Asian
: Am elected officials, and leaders of Asian Am. civic & civil
: rights organizations are paying attention. Let's press them
: to be accountable to us. S.B.
: EXCERPTS : From this father's letter to Stewart Kwoh s***[email protected]
: (Stewart's APALC supports a "race-conscious" policy in a pending
: Supreme Court case regarding college admission policy.
| z****0
发帖数: 3942 | 4 又不是只跟Harvard比，还有UPenn, Cornell, Georgetown, and Duke 。
was
【在 i******e 的大作中提到】
: 真拿Berkeley 跟Harvard比, mid-tier UC 跟top-25 比啊？
:
: But in the 2012 college admission season, Martin was rejected by Harvard,
: UPenn, Cornell, Georgetown, and Duke University.
: On the other hand, Martin was accepted by UC Berkeley with a Regents &
: Chancellors Scholarship, the highest award for undergraduates with only
: 800 total slots (200 for freshmen) for all students at Berkeley. Martin was
: also accepted by UCLA, UCSD, UC Davis and UC Irvine with combined
: merit/need based scholarships. "
| i******e
发帖数: 1720 | 5 唉，真得拿排名说回事儿了，就US news ranking 吧，
Upenn #5
Duke #10
Cornell #15
Berkeley #21
Gergetown #22
UCLA #25
UCD，UCI 什么的就不用列了吧。另外，再想想UCB/UCLA每年招多少， Duke/Cornell
每年才招多少。好像不是一个数量级的吧。
论据不给力呀！
【在 z****0 的大作中提到】
: 又不是只跟Harvard比，还有UPenn, Cornell, Georgetown, and Duke 。
:
: was
| i******e
发帖数: 1720 | 6 懒得找今年取的人数了，就用undergrad enrollment 将就一下，意思你懂 －
enrollment 越大，录取得也多。虽说Georgetown比Berkeley 低了一名，你可别拿
Georgetown来说事儿。
undergrad enrollment
Georgetown - 7590
Berkeley - 25885
UCLA - 27199 | z****0
发帖数: 3942 | 7 你是说亚裔没有被歧视？你也太把排名当回事了。
【在 i******e 的大作中提到】
: 懒得找今年取的人数了，就用undergrad enrollment 将就一下，意思你懂 －
: enrollment 越大，录取得也多。虽说Georgetown比Berkeley 低了一名，你可别拿
: Georgetown来说事儿。
: undergrad enrollment
: Georgetown - 7590
: Berkeley - 25885
: UCLA - 27199
| z****0
发帖数: 3942 | 8 不懂你是什么心理？对自己人（亚裔）吹毛求疵？80/20的证据可不只有这一点。
【在 i******e 的大作中提到】
: 唉，真得拿排名说回事儿了，就US news ranking 吧，
: Upenn #5
: Duke #10
: Cornell #15
: Berkeley #21
: Gergetown #22
: UCLA #25
: UCD，UCI 什么的就不用列了吧。另外，再想想UCB/UCLA每年招多少， Duke/Cornell
: 每年才招多少。好像不是一个数量级的吧。
: 论据不给力呀！
| i******e
发帖数: 1720 | 9 我说过这话吗？
我说的是这一个case 证据不足。
这个学生很好，但没那么outstanding 。
【在 z****0 的大作中提到】
: 你是说亚裔没有被歧视？你也太把排名当回事了。
| i******e
发帖数: 1720 | 10 正常心理，就事论事。
你喜欢扣帽子，我就不奉陪了。
【在 z****0 的大作中提到】
: 不懂你是什么心理？对自己人（亚裔）吹毛求疵？80/20的证据可不只有这一点。
| | | z****0
发帖数: 3942 | 11 哈哈，您老随便。
【在 i******e 的大作中提到】
: 正常心理，就事论事。
: 你喜欢扣帽子，我就不奉陪了。
| w********9
发帖数: 8613 | 12
为什么不能比？有多少个专业的水平不能比？工程方面，Harvard能与它比吗？
was
【在 i******e 的大作中提到】
: 真拿Berkeley 跟Harvard比, mid-tier UC 跟top-25 比啊？
:
: But in the 2012 college admission season, Martin was rejected by Harvard,
: UPenn, Cornell, Georgetown, and Duke University.
: On the other hand, Martin was accepted by UC Berkeley with a Regents &
: Chancellors Scholarship, the highest award for undergraduates with only
: 800 total slots (200 for freshmen) for all students at Berkeley. Martin was
: also accepted by UCLA, UCSD, UC Davis and UC Irvine with combined
: merit/need based scholarships. "
| i******e
发帖数: 1720 | 13 我在讲overall undergrad 的排名，不是某专业的水平。我也觉得用那个不妥。好，不用那个。既然讲的是 college admission，那我们用admission rate 好了。有“好事之徒”列出来了，虽未经官方证实，但可做参考。data 一直被修正，可从post#1 看。
UCB/UCLA 都是21%的admit rate， 其它那几所5%~16%不等。这个学生不是顶尖的学生。虽然被Berkeyley取了，但被那几所私校据的机会还是很大，因为那些学校的admit rate 低。 有这么难理解吗？
要证明受歧视，要用这个学生与另一个除了族裔外，各方面stat都相似或更好的来比，才有说服力。不是用该学生被Berkeley取了，被Harvard据了来证明。不是这样么？
post #68
http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/13
【在 w********9 的大作中提到】
:
: 为什么不能比？有多少个专业的水平不能比？工程方面，Harvard能与它比吗？
: was
| w********9
发帖数: 8613 | 14 我真不明白你在争什么。
亚裔的进门的门槛明显最高，难道你不知道？
讲的是 college admission，那我们用admission rate 好了。有“好事之徒”列出来了
我们这边很多人只管专业，根本不会管那个或其它的所谓总体排名。
我前面在指文理工的所有专业，而不是某个专业。它比哈佛不差，工科（也不仅仅有一
个专业）水平哈佛连前十名都进不去。在硅谷一些强的工程部门招人基本上不会考虑哈
佛毕业的。而且UCB的GPA水分低多了，一般来说，招它的好毕业生更放心。
。虽然被Berkeyley取了，但被那几所私校据的机会还是很大，因为那些学校的admit
rate 低。 有这么难理解吗？
没什么奇怪的。admission rate低的学校非常多，只是一个方面。
，才有说服力。不是用该学生被UC 取了，被Duke据了来证明。不是这样么？
前面我没和你谈那个学生。从成绩和课外活动来看，那个学生应该足以达到了Havard入
学的平均水平。
Harvard Admissions Data (2011):
Percent of Applicants Admitted: 6%
Test Scores -- 25th / 75th Percentile
SAT Critical Reading: 690 / 790
SAT Math: 700 / 800
SAT Writing: 690 / 790
ACT Composite: 31 / 35
ACT English: 32 / 35
ACT Math: 31 / 35
ACT Writing: 8 / 10
【在 i******e 的大作中提到】
: 我在讲overall undergrad 的排名，不是某专业的水平。我也觉得用那个不妥。好，不用那个。既然讲的是 college admission，那我们用admission rate 好了。有“好事之徒”列出来了，虽未经官方证实，但可做参考。data 一直被修正，可从post#1 看。
: UCB/UCLA 都是21%的admit rate， 其它那几所5%~16%不等。这个学生不是顶尖的学生。虽然被Berkeyley取了，但被那几所私校据的机会还是很大，因为那些学校的admit rate 低。 有这么难理解吗？
: 要证明受歧视，要用这个学生与另一个除了族裔外，各方面stat都相似或更好的来比，才有说服力。不是用该学生被Berkeley取了，被Harvard据了来证明。不是这样么？
: post #68
: http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/13
| t******u
发帖数: 876 | 15 天啊，这样的孩子还不是“OUTSTANDING”
那什么叫OUTSTANDINGK啊，不能理解。
【在 i******e 的大作中提到】
: 我说过这话吗？
: 我说的是这一个case 证据不足。
: 这个学生很好，但没那么outstanding 。
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