t*********e
发帖数: 1136 | 1 店里试用了十几分钟Xoom，感想是：花拳绣腿，华而不实。
举一个例子吧。居然有一个专门充电的插口。什么年代了？USB不能冲电？多一个插头
，多一堆部件，白白增加零部件成本和功耗，还影响美观。
百孔千疮，USB,HDMI,SD,Power，一堆洞洞。苹果只有一个（除了耳机）。为什么ipad2
即使支持HDMI也是用一个Adaptor,而不是在ipad2上开一个洞？这个工业设计上的取舍
Xoom怎么就不学学呢？笨呐！
软件上就不用比了。
个人意见，别说这个价钱了，就是和iPad 1 一样价，也物非所值。 |
N****w
发帖数: 21578 | 2 靠，ipad 要用到跟 Xoom 一样的输出接口，屁股后面得接一长串东西。。。
ipad2
【在 t*********e 的大作中提到】
: 店里试用了十几分钟Xoom，感想是：花拳绣腿，华而不实。
: 举一个例子吧。居然有一个专门充电的插口。什么年代了？USB不能冲电？多一个插头
: ，多一堆部件，白白增加零部件成本和功耗，还影响美观。
: 百孔千疮，USB,HDMI,SD,Power，一堆洞洞。苹果只有一个（除了耳机）。为什么ipad2
: 即使支持HDMI也是用一个Adaptor,而不是在ipad2上开一个洞？这个工业设计上的取舍
: Xoom怎么就不学学呢？笨呐！
: 软件上就不用比了。
: 个人意见，别说这个价钱了，就是和iPad 1 一样价，也物非所值。
|
a*f
发帖数: 5682 | 3
ipad2
It's funny how you trash all those industry standard interfaces(usb,sd, hdmi
).
Take hdmi as an example, it seems that rather than a tiny hole, you prefer
to pay apple $40 more so that you can carry an adaptor and having it
dangling on your ipad when use hdmi.
No wonder people say apple fans are brain washed by Jobs.
As for software, you simply make a false conclusion just like Jobs claim
that ipad2 is the first dual core table.
【在 t*********e 的大作中提到】
: 店里试用了十几分钟Xoom，感想是：花拳绣腿，华而不实。
: 举一个例子吧。居然有一个专门充电的插口。什么年代了？USB不能冲电？多一个插头
: ，多一堆部件，白白增加零部件成本和功耗，还影响美观。
: 百孔千疮，USB,HDMI,SD,Power，一堆洞洞。苹果只有一个（除了耳机）。为什么ipad2
: 即使支持HDMI也是用一个Adaptor,而不是在ipad2上开一个洞？这个工业设计上的取舍
: Xoom怎么就不学学呢？笨呐！
: 软件上就不用比了。
: 个人意见，别说这个价钱了，就是和iPad 1 一样价，也物非所值。
|
z***e
发帖数: 5600 | 4 I prefer not to having an extra HDMI slot which I will have no use for.
Let the x% users who need it pay for it.
hdmi
【在 a*f 的大作中提到】
:
: ipad2
: It's funny how you trash all those industry standard interfaces(usb,sd, hdmi
: ).
: Take hdmi as an example, it seems that rather than a tiny hole, you prefer
: to pay apple $40 more so that you can carry an adaptor and having it
: dangling on your ipad when use hdmi.
: No wonder people say apple fans are brain washed by Jobs.
: As for software, you simply make a false conclusion just like Jobs claim
: that ipad2 is the first dual core table.
|
s**7
发帖数: 963 | |
t*********e
发帖数: 1136 | 6 我的笔记本电脑也有HDMI，可我从来没用过。我电脑上video有不少。如果我这样的人
都不用，有几个大妈会去用？
打那么多洞，增加很多零部件成本，但真正的用的人寥寥无几。而且就连我这个外行人
也知道，洞洞一多机壳的结构就要加固。每个洞洞是个结构弱点，又要花脑筋花钱去加
固。而且机身很难再变薄。机身也不够美观。
苹果工业设计上的功力，看来简单，却是非常精辟。 |
f********m
发帖数: 8397 | 7 又不是碰碰车，结构强度有个屁用
【在 t*********e 的大作中提到】
: 我的笔记本电脑也有HDMI，可我从来没用过。我电脑上video有不少。如果我这样的人
: 都不用，有几个大妈会去用？
: 打那么多洞，增加很多零部件成本，但真正的用的人寥寥无几。而且就连我这个外行人
: 也知道，洞洞一多机壳的结构就要加固。每个洞洞是个结构弱点，又要花脑筋花钱去加
: 固。而且机身很难再变薄。机身也不够美观。
: 苹果工业设计上的功力，看来简单，却是非常精辟。
|
t*********e
发帖数: 1136 | 8 致于软件，我试用了浏览器，读书器，和愤怒的鸟。真搞不懂那么多内存都干啥了。网
页颤抖，字体陌名其妙的变大变小，鸟飞行得也不连贯。还不如IPad。lPad2我想更不
用比了。 |
g*****g
发帖数: 34805 | 9 HDMI is an important feature for tablet when you do a presentation.
That you don't use it doesn't mean many others don't.
【在 t*********e 的大作中提到】
: 我的笔记本电脑也有HDMI，可我从来没用过。我电脑上video有不少。如果我这样的人
: 都不用，有几个大妈会去用？
: 打那么多洞，增加很多零部件成本，但真正的用的人寥寥无几。而且就连我这个外行人
: 也知道，洞洞一多机壳的结构就要加固。每个洞洞是个结构弱点，又要花脑筋花钱去加
: 固。而且机身很难再变薄。机身也不够美观。
: 苹果工业设计上的功力，看来简单，却是非常精辟。
|
s**u
发帖数: 1436 | 10 人家就是来做troll的，你还当真了
hdmi
【在 a*f 的大作中提到】
:
: ipad2
: It's funny how you trash all those industry standard interfaces(usb,sd, hdmi
: ).
: Take hdmi as an example, it seems that rather than a tiny hole, you prefer
: to pay apple $40 more so that you can carry an adaptor and having it
: dangling on your ipad when use hdmi.
: No wonder people say apple fans are brain washed by Jobs.
: As for software, you simply make a false conclusion just like Jobs claim
: that ipad2 is the first dual core table.
|
|
|
t*********e
发帖数: 1136 | 11 What we are talking is a Consumer Product. Don't you get it? Gosh, I guess that why an article on iPad vs. Xoom is titled: "You are nerd, We're not."
By the way, every conference room I've walked in, there is only a VGA cable. No that I know a lot about HDMI in business. But I doubt it is as popular as some may suggest.
I'm not saying HDMI is not useful at all. But it is only useful to very, very few people. That's why it is not worth allocating a hole on the tablet itself for HDMI. You add $X of cost for the benefit of only a tiny user group. That $X cost will be shared by all customers.
It is absolutely foolish for Xoom to have so many types of slots on the tablet.
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: HDMI is an important feature for tablet when you do a presentation.
: That you don't use it doesn't mean many others don't.
|
T****n
发帖数: 6187 | 12 there was a time every computer had a 3.5 floppy disk drive. Is it still in your computer? I bet there's some guy wondered why bother with USB drive since floppy was everywhere.
Same thing is happening to VGA. HDMI is indeed replacing VGA. And like it not, more and more computers today are ditching VGA and have HDMI output instead. This trend is propelled by tech advance and you can't escape from it.
BTW, HDMI is for dummies not experts. And that's why Jobs added it to IPAD and Iphone. His word, "You are nerd, We're not.", is actually a good footnote for this change.
that why an article on iPad vs. Xoom is titled: "You are nerd, We're not."
cable. No that I know a lot about HDMI in business. But I doubt it is as
popular as some may suggest.
very few people. That's why it is not worth allocating a hole on the tablet
itself for HDMI. You add $X of cost for the benefit of only a tiny user
group. That $X cost will be shared by all customers.
tablet.
【在 t*********e 的大作中提到】
: What we are talking is a Consumer Product. Don't you get it? Gosh, I guess that why an article on iPad vs. Xoom is titled: "You are nerd, We're not."
: By the way, every conference room I've walked in, there is only a VGA cable. No that I know a lot about HDMI in business. But I doubt it is as popular as some may suggest.
: I'm not saying HDMI is not useful at all. But it is only useful to very, very few people. That's why it is not worth allocating a hole on the tablet itself for HDMI. You add $X of cost for the benefit of only a tiny user group. That $X cost will be shared by all customers.
: It is absolutely foolish for Xoom to have so many types of slots on the tablet.
|
t*********e
发帖数: 1136 | 13 There is no fast adoption of HDMI in the consumer world for sophisticated usage such as presentation.
Many digital cameras have video output, such as S-video. How many people have ever used it to hook to a TV? Digital camera has been around for a long, long time now.
Everything comes to cost. If Xoom eliminated these slots, it will bring down the cost of components, manufacturing and customer support. It will bring down its price, which is way out of line.
in your computer? I bet there's some guy wondered why bother with USB drive
since floppy was everywhere.
not, more and more computers today are ditching VGA and have HDMI output
instead. This trend is propelled by tech advance and you can't escape from
it.
and Iphone. His word, "You are nerd, We're not.", is actually a good
footnote for this change.
【在 T****n 的大作中提到】
: there was a time every computer had a 3.5 floppy disk drive. Is it still in your computer? I bet there's some guy wondered why bother with USB drive since floppy was everywhere.
: Same thing is happening to VGA. HDMI is indeed replacing VGA. And like it not, more and more computers today are ditching VGA and have HDMI output instead. This trend is propelled by tech advance and you can't escape from it.
: BTW, HDMI is for dummies not experts. And that's why Jobs added it to IPAD and Iphone. His word, "You are nerd, We're not.", is actually a good footnote for this change.
:
: that why an article on iPad vs. Xoom is titled: "You are nerd, We're not."
: cable. No that I know a lot about HDMI in business. But I doubt it is as
: popular as some may suggest.
: very few people. That's why it is not worth allocating a hole on the tablet
: itself for HDMI. You add $X of cost for the benefit of only a tiny user
: group. That $X cost will be shared by all customers.
|
p****t
发帖数: 11416 | 14 天啦，还有人宁愿用adapter，而且还是要另外花钱买的adapter？！
ipad2
【在 t*********e 的大作中提到】
: 店里试用了十几分钟Xoom，感想是：花拳绣腿，华而不实。
: 举一个例子吧。居然有一个专门充电的插口。什么年代了？USB不能冲电？多一个插头
: ，多一堆部件，白白增加零部件成本和功耗，还影响美观。
: 百孔千疮，USB,HDMI,SD,Power，一堆洞洞。苹果只有一个（除了耳机）。为什么ipad2
: 即使支持HDMI也是用一个Adaptor,而不是在ipad2上开一个洞？这个工业设计上的取舍
: Xoom怎么就不学学呢？笨呐！
: 软件上就不用比了。
: 个人意见，别说这个价钱了，就是和iPad 1 一样价，也物非所值。
|
p****t
发帖数: 11416 | 15 我也觉得网板装HDMI没啥用
但是假如一定要加HDMI，我还是宁可直接加接口而不是还要加adapter
【在 z***e 的大作中提到】
: I prefer not to having an extra HDMI slot which I will have no use for.
: Let the x% users who need it pay for it.
:
: hdmi
|
c*****h
发帖数: 14923 | 16 嗯，我也是。pad主要捧在手上，用到hdmi的机会相对捧在手上，比例少太多了。情愿
多一条外设，就是果果卖太贵。
【在 z***e 的大作中提到】
: I prefer not to having an extra HDMI slot which I will have no use for.
: Let the x% users who need it pay for it.
:
: hdmi
|
s********i
发帖数: 17328 | 17 我同意楼主的观点。接口全意味着你不用也得付钱，意味着成本提高。看似简单的道理
其实很实用。对于大批量的consumer product，任何一块两块的成本节省都可能带来巨
额的利润。我现在倾向于同意ipad 1/2的$500的价格是最大的selling point。 |
s**u
发帖数: 1436 | 18 apple的巨额利润关消费者屁事。
【在 s********i 的大作中提到】
: 我同意楼主的观点。接口全意味着你不用也得付钱，意味着成本提高。看似简单的道理
: 其实很实用。对于大批量的consumer product，任何一块两块的成本节省都可能带来巨
: 额的利润。我现在倾向于同意ipad 1/2的$500的价格是最大的selling point。
|
f********m
发帖数: 8397 | 19 这就是轮子和正常人的区别
【在 s**u 的大作中提到】
: apple的巨额利润关消费者屁事。
|
j**u
发帖数: 6059 | 20 $499这个价格是我打算买ipad2的最大动力。
【在 s********i 的大作中提到】
: 我同意楼主的观点。接口全意味着你不用也得付钱，意味着成本提高。看似简单的道理
: 其实很实用。对于大批量的consumer product，任何一块两块的成本节省都可能带来巨
: 额的利润。我现在倾向于同意ipad 1/2的$500的价格是最大的selling point。
|
|
|
c*****h
发帖数: 14923 | 21 16G够用了吗？
【在 j**u 的大作中提到】
: $499这个价格是我打算买ipad2的最大动力。
|
T****n
发帖数: 6187 | 22 you need some numbers to support your points, such as how many percents of
digicam users are not using their s-video at all or "There is no fast
adoption of HDMI in the consumer world". I am not convinced by your
declaration since I am seeing more and more laptops having HDMI instead of
VGA only. Also, remember, pc/pad makers are also marketing experts, they
know their balancing points between revenues and costs due to extra features
.
usage such as presentation.
have ever used it to hook to a TV? Digital camera has been around for a long
, long time now.
down the cost of components, manufacturing and customer support. It will
bring down its price, which is way out of line.
drive
【在 t*********e 的大作中提到】
: There is no fast adoption of HDMI in the consumer world for sophisticated usage such as presentation.
: Many digital cameras have video output, such as S-video. How many people have ever used it to hook to a TV? Digital camera has been around for a long, long time now.
: Everything comes to cost. If Xoom eliminated these slots, it will bring down the cost of components, manufacturing and customer support. It will bring down its price, which is way out of line.
:
: in your computer? I bet there's some guy wondered why bother with USB drive
: since floppy was everywhere.
: not, more and more computers today are ditching VGA and have HDMI output
: instead. This trend is propelled by tech advance and you can't escape from
: it.
: and Iphone. His word, "You are nerd, We're not.", is actually a good
|
j**u
发帖数: 6059 | 23 对我来说足以。
【在 c*****h 的大作中提到】
: 16G够用了吗？
|
t*********e
发帖数: 1136 | 24 Xoom单独的充电插口也许反映了另一个问题：电池。USB的电压不够。不得不用专一的
充电器，高一点的电压。我没看见那个充电器。不过我想不会是一个很时髦的东西。一
根细黑线。一个大黑坨。
苹果为什么可以？大概下了一点功夫吧。这种点点滴滴也是用心良苦。
关于软件，不妨在Xoom浏览器上用两个手指缓缓放大一个网页。你就会看到网页在不停
的颤抖。抖动的让你头昏眼花。写这个软件的人真该好好想想怎么优化。 |
f*******5
发帖数: 10321 | 25 高电压冲的快啊。
网页抖是因为你手指抖啊。android只是尽职地都给你显示清楚了。
【在 t*********e 的大作中提到】
: Xoom单独的充电插口也许反映了另一个问题：电池。USB的电压不够。不得不用专一的
: 充电器，高一点的电压。我没看见那个充电器。不过我想不会是一个很时髦的东西。一
: 根细黑线。一个大黑坨。
: 苹果为什么可以？大概下了一点功夫吧。这种点点滴滴也是用心良苦。
: 关于软件，不妨在Xoom浏览器上用两个手指缓缓放大一个网页。你就会看到网页在不停
: 的颤抖。抖动的让你头昏眼花。写这个软件的人真该好好想想怎么优化。
|
t*********e
发帖数: 1136 | 26 谁都知道高压冲的当然快。但是为什么USB不够？说明Xoom功耗远大于iPad(2)？
我的手很正常。软件应该有智能去优化。这些做不到是功夫不到家。不是用户
的问题。传感器数据量很大。软件要是只是机械的“反映”传感器数据，那水平
不是一般的差。你干脆去做地震波绘图仪吧。
【在 f*******5 的大作中提到】
: 高电压冲的快啊。
: 网页抖是因为你手指抖啊。android只是尽职地都给你显示清楚了。
|
f*******5
发帖数: 10321 | 27 跟功耗有啥关系，比如说usb都是5小时充满，xoom拿个电源来3小时充满呗。
这些都是app程序员的选择，也许有的人就想精确地放大到什么程度，来回衡量。app总
不能不反应吧。
【在 t*********e 的大作中提到】
: 谁都知道高压冲的当然快。但是为什么USB不够？说明Xoom功耗远大于iPad(2)？
: 我的手很正常。软件应该有智能去优化。这些做不到是功夫不到家。不是用户
: 的问题。传感器数据量很大。软件要是只是机械的“反映”传感器数据，那水平
: 不是一般的差。你干脆去做地震波绘图仪吧。
|
s******a
发帖数: 527 | 28 你要是做程序员的，只能说你这个程序员当得真是失败……
【在 f*******5 的大作中提到】
: 跟功耗有啥关系，比如说usb都是5小时充满，xoom拿个电源来3小时充满呗。
: 这些都是app程序员的选择，也许有的人就想精确地放大到什么程度，来回衡量。app总
: 不能不反应吧。
|
a*f
发帖数: 5682 | 29 Apple用的是一套自己的usb规格，加了电压，所以ipad也只能usb连在mac上才能充电，
用usb连在pc上是不会充电的。
moto当然不会去搞这么一套，当然只好自己加一个电源线。
【在 t*********e 的大作中提到】
: 谁都知道高压冲的当然快。但是为什么USB不够？说明Xoom功耗远大于iPad(2)？
: 我的手很正常。软件应该有智能去优化。这些做不到是功夫不到家。不是用户
: 的问题。传感器数据量很大。软件要是只是机械的“反映”传感器数据，那水平
: 不是一般的差。你干脆去做地震波绘图仪吧。
|
s******a
发帖数: 527 | 30 xoom上面一样没有VGA的接口，去presentation一样得搞一个HDMI to VGA的adapter。
反正我开过的CS的会没一个支
持HDMI的。
in your computer? I bet there's some
guy wondered why bother with USB drive since floppy was everywhere.
not, more and more computers
today are ditching VGA and have HDMI output instead. This trend is propelled
by tech advance and you can't
escape from it.
and Iphone. His word, "You are
nerd, We're not.", is actually a good footnote for this change.
"
tablet
【在 T****n 的大作中提到】
: there was a time every computer had a 3.5 floppy disk drive. Is it still in your computer? I bet there's some guy wondered why bother with USB drive since floppy was everywhere.
: Same thing is happening to VGA. HDMI is indeed replacing VGA. And like it not, more and more computers today are ditching VGA and have HDMI output instead. This trend is propelled by tech advance and you can't escape from it.
: BTW, HDMI is for dummies not experts. And that's why Jobs added it to IPAD and Iphone. His word, "You are nerd, We're not.", is actually a good footnote for this change.
:
: that why an article on iPad vs. Xoom is titled: "You are nerd, We're not."
: cable. No that I know a lot about HDMI in business. But I doubt it is as
: popular as some may suggest.
: very few people. That's why it is not worth allocating a hole on the tablet
: itself for HDMI. You add $X of cost for the benefit of only a tiny user
: group. That $X cost will be shared by all customers.
|
|
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N****w
发帖数: 21578 | 31 没有哪个 tab 有 VGA 借口的。。
propelled
【在 s******a 的大作中提到】
: xoom上面一样没有VGA的接口，去presentation一样得搞一个HDMI to VGA的adapter。
: 反正我开过的CS的会没一个支
: 持HDMI的。
:
: in your computer? I bet there's some
: guy wondered why bother with USB drive since floppy was everywhere.
: not, more and more computers
: today are ditching VGA and have HDMI output instead. This trend is propelled
: by tech advance and you can't
: escape from it.
|
f********m
发帖数: 8397 | 32 你确定ipad不能用pc充电？
【在 a*f 的大作中提到】
: Apple用的是一套自己的usb规格，加了电压，所以ipad也只能usb连在mac上才能充电，
: 用usb连在pc上是不会充电的。
: moto当然不会去搞这么一套，当然只好自己加一个电源线。
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a*f
发帖数: 5682 | 33 dude, have you ever seen a VGA port? If xoom has a VGA port on it, who the
fuck will buy it?
BTW, if xoom needs a HDMI to VGA, ipad2 needs first a hdmi adapter and then
a HDMI to vga adapter, that'll be hilarious.
propelled
【在 s******a 的大作中提到】
: xoom上面一样没有VGA的接口，去presentation一样得搞一个HDMI to VGA的adapter。
: 反正我开过的CS的会没一个支
: 持HDMI的。
:
: in your computer? I bet there's some
: guy wondered why bother with USB drive since floppy was everywhere.
: not, more and more computers
: today are ditching VGA and have HDMI output instead. This trend is propelled
: by tech advance and you can't
: escape from it.
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a*f
发帖数: 5682 | 34 quote from Apple support
To charge your iPad battery, try one of the following:
* Connect iPad to a power outlet using the included cable and the 10W
USB power adapter.
* Connect to a high-power USB 2.0 port using the included cable.
这个highpower usb在大部分mac上都是支持的, 但好像不是industry usb标准，反正很
多pc都不支持。
【在 f********m 的大作中提到】
: 你确定ipad不能用pc充电？
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L*****y
发帖数: 4290 | 35 x201 x301上都不行
你确定ipad不能用pc充电？
【在 f********m 的大作中提到】
: 你确定ipad不能用pc充电？
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N****w
发帖数: 21578 | 36 ms 有人研究过的，apple 的 USB 里面有额外的电路
有人逆向工程仿制过
【在 L*****y 的大作中提到】
: x201 x301上都不行
:
: 你确定ipad不能用pc充电？
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f********m
发帖数: 8397 | 37 谢了。
10W
【在 a*f 的大作中提到】
: quote from Apple support
: To charge your iPad battery, try one of the following:
: * Connect iPad to a power outlet using the included cable and the 10W
: USB power adapter.
: * Connect to a high-power USB 2.0 port using the included cable.
: 这个highpower usb在大部分mac上都是支持的, 但好像不是industry usb标准，反正很
: 多pc都不支持。
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t*********e
发帖数: 1136 | 38 苹果已经有直接的VGA Adaptor, albeit limited for presentation. No need for Dock=>HDMI=>VGA.
http://store.apple.com/us/product/MC552ZM/A
then
【在 a*f 的大作中提到】
: dude, have you ever seen a VGA port? If xoom has a VGA port on it, who the
: fuck will buy it?
: BTW, if xoom needs a HDMI to VGA, ipad2 needs first a hdmi adapter and then
: a HDMI to vga adapter, that'll be hilarious.
:
: propelled
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t*********e
发帖数: 1136 | 39 The point is an extra charging slot. Xoom can very well do the same using a
charger connecting to a modified USB port on the tablet. It saves money.
Xoom can have a similar "universal" slot and make everything else an adapter
, just like Apple.
The MicroSD slot on Xoom looks like a dangerous hole. What if the cover is
lost/broken and something drops into that black hole?
All these are important for a Consumer Product, a product that even a 5-year
old kid should be able to handle.
【在 a*f 的大作中提到】
: quote from Apple support
: To charge your iPad battery, try one of the following:
: * Connect iPad to a power outlet using the included cable and the 10W
: USB power adapter.
: * Connect to a high-power USB 2.0 port using the included cable.
: 这个highpower usb在大部分mac上都是支持的, 但好像不是industry usb标准，反正很
: 多pc都不支持。
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p********d
发帖数: 357 | 40 Fully agreed. HDMI is the trend.
still in your computer? I bet there's some guy wondered why bother with
USB drive since floppy was everywhere.
it not, more and more computers today are ditching VGA and have HDMI
output instead. This trend is propelled by tech advance and you can't
escape from it.
IPAD and Iphone. His word, "You are nerd, We're not.", is actually a
good footnote for this change.
not."
as
tablet
user
【在 T****n 的大作中提到】
: there was a time every computer had a 3.5 floppy disk drive. Is it still in your computer? I bet there's some guy wondered why bother with USB drive since floppy was everywhere.
: Same thing is happening to VGA. HDMI is indeed replacing VGA. And like it not, more and more computers today are ditching VGA and have HDMI output instead. This trend is propelled by tech advance and you can't escape from it.
: BTW, HDMI is for dummies not experts. And that's why Jobs added it to IPAD and Iphone. His word, "You are nerd, We're not.", is actually a good footnote for this change.
:
: that why an article on iPad vs. Xoom is titled: "You are nerd, We're not."
: cable. No that I know a lot about HDMI in business. But I doubt it is as
: popular as some may suggest.
: very few people. That's why it is not worth allocating a hole on the tablet
: itself for HDMI. You add $X of cost for the benefit of only a tiny user
: group. That $X cost will be shared by all customers.
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M*****t
发帖数: 26706 | 41 我一直想问不太好意思，这PAD装个HDMI干嘛？
【在 p********d 的大作中提到】
: Fully agreed. HDMI is the trend.
:
: still in your computer? I bet there's some guy wondered why bother with
: USB drive since floppy was everywhere.
: it not, more and more computers today are ditching VGA and have HDMI
: output instead. This trend is propelled by tech advance and you can't
: escape from it.
: IPAD and Iphone. His word, "You are nerd, We're not.", is actually a
: good footnote for this change.
: not."
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a*f
发帖数: 5682 | 42
a
adapter
year
怎么跟你说不明白呢， moto不是Apple，明明标准usb不能charge还要作成usb接口能
charge状，这样用户接在pc上半天不
charge找谁？所以做一个肯定work的充电插口。Apple那样是因为他很拽，默认你买
ipad一定是接在mac上的。
还universal port，那个玩意儿的目的就是逼你买各种各样的adaptor，人xoom也不愿
意干这种事。ipad那么适合看照片的
东西都必须花钱买一个所谓的照片adaptor才能看sd卡上的照片。ipad为啥不加这个sd
口？就是不让你方便的升级存储空
间，强制你花大钱购买更大内置存储空间的版本。 我不知道这么简单的道理5year old
kid能不能想明白，还是能理解成ipad
洞少是为了减少掉东西进去的机会。。。
【在 t*********e 的大作中提到】
: The point is an extra charging slot. Xoom can very well do the same using a
: charger connecting to a modified USB port on the tablet. It saves money.
: Xoom can have a similar "universal" slot and make everything else an adapter
: , just like Apple.
: The MicroSD slot on Xoom looks like a dangerous hole. What if the cover is
: lost/broken and something drops into that black hole?
: All these are important for a Consumer Product, a product that even a 5-year
: old kid should be able to handle.
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p****t
发帖数: 11416 | 43 嚼不死爸爸无论做什么，都是为了果轮好
比如不让插SD卡升级存储量，是怕果轮们看太多黄书黄片影响健康
sd
【在 a*f 的大作中提到】
:
: a
: adapter
: year
: 怎么跟你说不明白呢， moto不是Apple，明明标准usb不能charge还要作成usb接口能
: charge状，这样用户接在pc上半天不
: charge找谁？所以做一个肯定work的充电插口。Apple那样是因为他很拽，默认你买
: ipad一定是接在mac上的。
: 还universal port，那个玩意儿的目的就是逼你买各种各样的adaptor，人xoom也不愿
: 意干这种事。ipad那么适合看照片的
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a***a
发帖数: 40617 | 44 其实也是怕果粉傻兮兮的插入一class2的山寨卡，影响了“用户体验”
【在 p****t 的大作中提到】
: 嚼不死爸爸无论做什么，都是为了果轮好
: 比如不让插SD卡升级存储量，是怕果轮们看太多黄书黄片影响健康
:
: sd
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s****c
发帖数: 11300 | 45 这个是一个趋势 以后投影机都应该是用hdmi或者display port的
【在 M*****t 的大作中提到】
: 我一直想问不太好意思，这PAD装个HDMI干嘛？
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d********u
发帖数: 5383 | 46 要承认人的多样性嘛。
【在 p****t 的大作中提到】
: 天啦，还有人宁愿用adapter，而且还是要另外花钱买的adapter？！
:
: ipad2
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d********u
发帖数: 5383 | 47 果果的是白色的一大坨。
来，快吃吧，知道你喜欢热的
【在 t*********e 的大作中提到】
: Xoom单独的充电插口也许反映了另一个问题：电池。USB的电压不够。不得不用专一的
: 充电器，高一点的电压。我没看见那个充电器。不过我想不会是一个很时髦的东西。一
: 根细黑线。一个大黑坨。
: 苹果为什么可以？大概下了一点功夫吧。这种点点滴滴也是用心良苦。
: 关于软件，不妨在Xoom浏览器上用两个手指缓缓放大一个网页。你就会看到网页在不停
: 的颤抖。抖动的让你头昏眼花。写这个软件的人真该好好想想怎么优化。
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d********u
发帖数: 5383 | 48 果轮们不会，他们没能力的
【在 p****t 的大作中提到】
: 嚼不死爸爸无论做什么，都是为了果轮好
: 比如不让插SD卡升级存储量，是怕果轮们看太多黄书黄片影响健康
:
: sd
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w******x
发帖数: 4396 | 49 还是有用。一个大plug比一堆小plug的强度高，单独能承受的插拔次数也高。
更重要的优势是docking。比如说，你不是一直想要把手机或者tablet直接dock在车里
当中控么? 不会有厂家在dash上接出来一堆线让你一根一根插的，白痴才会用那种东西
。现在你看一眼所有美国市场上的手机和tablet，哪个真正可以做这个docking
console？只有果子的东西和atrix。motorola要想有厂家接受他的docking standard，
就只有把各种功能集成在一个接口上（本来他们也是准备这么干的，所以我觉得xoom就
是个过渡产品）。说白了就是走苹果的老路。
【在 f********m 的大作中提到】
: 又不是碰碰车，结构强度有个屁用
|
f*******5
发帖数: 10321 | 50 哇，能跟android的流览器程序员比肩我很满足.
【在 s******a 的大作中提到】
: 你要是做程序员的，只能说你这个程序员当得真是失败……
|
|
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T****n
发帖数: 6187 | 51 各厂家应该有个docking standard。
apple有这么多docking支持是从ipod打下的基础。其本意是模仿sony，palm搞专用接口
。功能集成是主要的考虑因素，强度反而是非常次要的。坏处是一个口坏了整个机器就
废柴了。
【在 w******x 的大作中提到】
: 还是有用。一个大plug比一堆小plug的强度高，单独能承受的插拔次数也高。
: 更重要的优势是docking。比如说，你不是一直想要把手机或者tablet直接dock在车里
: 当中控么? 不会有厂家在dash上接出来一堆线让你一根一根插的，白痴才会用那种东西
: 。现在你看一眼所有美国市场上的手机和tablet，哪个真正可以做这个docking
: console？只有果子的东西和atrix。motorola要想有厂家接受他的docking standard，
: 就只有把各种功能集成在一个接口上（本来他们也是准备这么干的，所以我觉得xoom就
: 是个过渡产品）。说白了就是走苹果的老路。
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z**r
发帖数: 17771 | 52 太赞了，带上一大堆adaptor，品味高雅不是盖的
Dock=>HDMI=>VGA.
【在 t*********e 的大作中提到】
: 苹果已经有直接的VGA Adaptor, albeit limited for presentation. No need for Dock=>HDMI=>VGA.
: http://store.apple.com/us/product/MC552ZM/A
:
: then
|
z**r
发帖数: 17771 | 53 俺看最后都得过度到无线技术，比如DLNA等等
【在 s****c 的大作中提到】
: 这个是一个趋势 以后投影机都应该是用hdmi或者display port的
|
c*****h
发帖数: 14923 | 54 支持
【在 z**r 的大作中提到】
: 俺看最后都得过度到无线技术，比如DLNA等等
|
d**k
发帖数: 1223 | 55 VGA port in tab? dude, are you kidding me?
propelled
【在 s******a 的大作中提到】
: xoom上面一样没有VGA的接口，去presentation一样得搞一个HDMI to VGA的adapter。
: 反正我开过的CS的会没一个支
: 持HDMI的。
:
: in your computer? I bet there's some
: guy wondered why bother with USB drive since floppy was everywhere.
: not, more and more computers
: today are ditching VGA and have HDMI output instead. This trend is propelled
: by tech advance and you can't
: escape from it.
|
R*S
发帖数: 46 | 56 这就是胡说了. USB 标准里面, 有源口每个可以最多提供500mA. High Power也是USB标
准的一部分.不是苹果自定的. High Power设备仅仅意味着USB设备可以使用USB端口提
供的所有POWER.在这一点上,苹果使用的是USB标准,不是自定的.
如果某PC厂家USB口不能充电,那有两种可能
1. 某PC厂家使用了无源USB,两成为了省钱,八成为了掩盖自己电池短命
2. 某PC厂家USB口不和USB标准.这不能怪苹果.
实际上,好多厂家的设备都是High Power USB. 比如Canon, HP的一些scanner. 都直接
从USB供电.也都要求High Power USB. 也没听谁JJWW的.
【在 a*f 的大作中提到】
: quote from Apple support
: To charge your iPad battery, try one of the following:
: * Connect iPad to a power outlet using the included cable and the 10W
: USB power adapter.
: * Connect to a high-power USB 2.0 port using the included cable.
: 这个highpower usb在大部分mac上都是支持的, 但好像不是industry usb标准，反正很
: 多pc都不支持。
|
s********3
发帖数: 3476 | 57 顶一下～～
【在 R*S 的大作中提到】
: 这就是胡说了. USB 标准里面, 有源口每个可以最多提供500mA. High Power也是USB标
: 准的一部分.不是苹果自定的. High Power设备仅仅意味着USB设备可以使用USB端口提
: 供的所有POWER.在这一点上,苹果使用的是USB标准,不是自定的.
: 如果某PC厂家USB口不能充电,那有两种可能
: 1. 某PC厂家使用了无源USB,两成为了省钱,八成为了掩盖自己电池短命
: 2. 某PC厂家USB口不和USB标准.这不能怪苹果.
: 实际上,好多厂家的设备都是High Power USB. 比如Canon, HP的一些scanner. 都直接
: 从USB供电.也都要求High Power USB. 也没听谁JJWW的.
|
w******x
发帖数: 4396 | 58 like it or not, apple connector IS the standard.
【在 T****n 的大作中提到】
: 各厂家应该有个docking standard。
: apple有这么多docking支持是从ipod打下的基础。其本意是模仿sony，palm搞专用接口
: 。功能集成是主要的考虑因素，强度反而是非常次要的。坏处是一个口坏了整个机器就
: 废柴了。
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d**k
发帖数: 1223 | 59 我觉得你说的有源usb口不是一般的那种usb 口（non-powered usb). 你说的可能是图
里的那种。我手里的pc， 只有一台上面有这个口。。。。
再说了，不带拿tablet和scanner 比的。。。
【在 R*S 的大作中提到】
: 这就是胡说了. USB 标准里面, 有源口每个可以最多提供500mA. High Power也是USB标
: 准的一部分.不是苹果自定的. High Power设备仅仅意味着USB设备可以使用USB端口提
: 供的所有POWER.在这一点上,苹果使用的是USB标准,不是自定的.
: 如果某PC厂家USB口不能充电,那有两种可能
: 1. 某PC厂家使用了无源USB,两成为了省钱,八成为了掩盖自己电池短命
: 2. 某PC厂家USB口不和USB标准.这不能怪苹果.
: 实际上,好多厂家的设备都是High Power USB. 比如Canon, HP的一些scanner. 都直接
: 从USB供电.也都要求High Power USB. 也没听谁JJWW的.
|
T****n
发帖数: 6187 | 60 standard for what?
and
Sony connector IS the standard
Palm connector IS the standard.
Sansa connector IS the standard.
Please go on
【在 w******x 的大作中提到】
: like it or not, apple connector IS the standard.
|
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R*S
发帖数: 46 | 61 有空在这抬杠就不能自己查一下RFC? 很难么? 实在不行WIKI一下.你贴的是高电压的,
苹果反而没有用.普通A型USB口是5V左右电压, 500MA MAX. 大家全都如此,苹果在这一
点上没一点特别.
有些PC厂家在有源USB的内部总线上偷工减料,电流不足,这也不能怪苹果
BTW, scanners是要求USB供电, 对电流的持续性要求比充电要高.这一点scanners比
tablets要难.
【在 d**k 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得你说的有源usb口不是一般的那种usb 口（non-powered usb). 你说的可能是图
: 里的那种。我手里的pc， 只有一台上面有这个口。。。。
: 再说了，不带拿tablet和scanner 比的。。。
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d**k
发帖数: 1223 | 62 跟你抬杠？谁那么不开眼啊。质疑一下你的说法就是跟你抬杠? 激动啥。
既然说到这事儿，先统一一下中英文，你说的有源USB, 是不是powered USB？
【在 R*S 的大作中提到】
: 有空在这抬杠就不能自己查一下RFC? 很难么? 实在不行WIKI一下.你贴的是高电压的,
: 苹果反而没有用.普通A型USB口是5V左右电压, 500MA MAX. 大家全都如此,苹果在这一
: 点上没一点特别.
: 有些PC厂家在有源USB的内部总线上偷工减料,电流不足,这也不能怪苹果
: BTW, scanners是要求USB供电, 对电流的持续性要求比充电要高.这一点scanners比
: tablets要难.
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R*S
发帖数: 46 | 63 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Serial_Bus
真的很 很 很 很 难么?
【在 d**k 的大作中提到】
: 跟你抬杠？谁那么不开眼啊。质疑一下你的说法就是跟你抬杠? 激动啥。
: 既然说到这事儿，先统一一下中英文，你说的有源USB, 是不是powered USB？
|
d**k
发帖数: 1223 | 64 别以为就你会wiki, 你还没说清楚呢，你说的有源usb, 到底是不是powered usb
【在 R*S 的大作中提到】
: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Serial_Bus
: 真的很 很 很 很 难么?
|
s*********r
发帖数: 468 | 65 USB充电的最高电压对于Xoom的电池太慢了。
Xoom的充电口话说充电真快，2.5个小时从8%充到满。。。 |
R*S
发帖数: 46 | 66 You win.
Have a nice day...
【在 d**k 的大作中提到】
: 别以为就你会wiki, 你还没说清楚呢，你说的有源usb, 到底是不是powered usb
|
d**k
发帖数: 1223 | 67 不客气，and you too....
【在 R*S 的大作中提到】
: You win.
: Have a nice day...
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w******x
发帖数: 4396 | 68 you can say sony sony/palm/sansa connector is A standard, but not THE
standard. ipod plug is as dominant in mobile docking devices as windows in
consumer pcs. probably more so. like it or not.
【在 T****n 的大作中提到】
: standard for what?
: and
: Sony connector IS the standard
: Palm connector IS the standard.
: Sansa connector IS the standard.
: Please go on
|
p****t
发帖数: 11416 | 69 说实话，i××、kindle那样充电就是USB cable，但是你也可以插在
ac adapter上就更快的做法是比较好的
【在 s*********r 的大作中提到】
: USB充电的最高电压对于Xoom的电池太慢了。
: Xoom的充电口话说充电真快，2.5个小时从8%充到满。。。
|
P***a
发帖数: 4213 | 70 果子的2A也是usb标准吗？
【在 R*S 的大作中提到】
: 这就是胡说了. USB 标准里面, 有源口每个可以最多提供500mA. High Power也是USB标
: 准的一部分.不是苹果自定的. High Power设备仅仅意味着USB设备可以使用USB端口提
: 供的所有POWER.在这一点上,苹果使用的是USB标准,不是自定的.
: 如果某PC厂家USB口不能充电,那有两种可能
: 1. 某PC厂家使用了无源USB,两成为了省钱,八成为了掩盖自己电池短命
: 2. 某PC厂家USB口不和USB标准.这不能怪苹果.
: 实际上,好多厂家的设备都是High Power USB. 比如Canon, HP的一些scanner. 都直接
: 从USB供电.也都要求High Power USB. 也没听谁JJWW的.
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P***a
发帖数: 4213 | 71 私有的吧，嘛标准？
【在 w******x 的大作中提到】
: like it or not, apple connector IS the standard.
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T****n
发帖数: 6187 | 72 你先搞清楚什么叫standard好不好
除了apple，谁还用那个接口？
如果那天，sony，moto，samsung都用apple接口，再来谈standard。不然都是瞎扯
【在 w******x 的大作中提到】
: you can say sony sony/palm/sansa connector is A standard, but not THE
: standard. ipod plug is as dominant in mobile docking devices as windows in
: consumer pcs. probably more so. like it or not.
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w******x
发帖数: 4396 | 73 oh, plenty home entertainment systems and car audio decks come equipped with
ipod interfaces. these are not apple peripheries, but are standalone
systems in themselves that just happen to adopt the ipod interface along
with open standards like HDMI. there are indeed ipod clones that actually
use the same connector too, though with reduced functionality.
a system like the ipod interface is called...ahem...the de facto standard.
look it up if it's new to you.
you can nick pick on the wording all you want. fact remains that if you want
to dock a music player/phone/tablet to your car/home theatre and whatnot,
your option is practically only in the form of this interface. other full
featured interfaces simply does not exist yet. if that's not a standard,
nothing else comes even close.
【在 T****n 的大作中提到】
: 你先搞清楚什么叫standard好不好
: 除了apple，谁还用那个接口？
: 如果那天，sony，moto，samsung都用apple接口，再来谈standard。不然都是瞎扯
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T****n
发帖数: 6187 | 74 说了半天，除了苹果还是没人用他的接口（山寨除外）
生产外设的厂家当然要针对兼用产品生产dock，不过这和苹果接口成为standard是两回事
你一厢情愿的认为苹果成了standard是你自己的问题，和别人没关系。我不用苹果接口
同样玩手机，mp3，苹果哪天离了usb，根本就玩不转。所以，usb是标准，苹果接口不
是。
with
want
【在 w******x 的大作中提到】
: oh, plenty home entertainment systems and car audio decks come equipped with
: ipod interfaces. these are not apple peripheries, but are standalone
: systems in themselves that just happen to adopt the ipod interface along
: with open standards like HDMI. there are indeed ipod clones that actually
: use the same connector too, though with reduced functionality.
: a system like the ipod interface is called...ahem...the de facto standard.
: look it up if it's new to you.
: you can nick pick on the wording all you want. fact remains that if you want
: to dock a music player/phone/tablet to your car/home theatre and whatnot,
: your option is practically only in the form of this interface. other full
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a***e
发帖数: 27968 | 75 这年头，什么中控需要超过USB3.0的带宽
如果不视频，usb2.0都多了
【在 w******x 的大作中提到】
: 还是有用。一个大plug比一堆小plug的强度高，单独能承受的插拔次数也高。
: 更重要的优势是docking。比如说，你不是一直想要把手机或者tablet直接dock在车里
: 当中控么? 不会有厂家在dash上接出来一堆线让你一根一根插的，白痴才会用那种东西
: 。现在你看一眼所有美国市场上的手机和tablet，哪个真正可以做这个docking
: console？只有果子的东西和atrix。motorola要想有厂家接受他的docking standard，
: 就只有把各种功能集成在一个接口上（本来他们也是准备这么干的，所以我觉得xoom就
: 是个过渡产品）。说白了就是走苹果的老路。
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a***e
发帖数: 27968 | 76 那个东西的插拔次数能赶上USB?
【在 w******x 的大作中提到】
: 还是有用。一个大plug比一堆小plug的强度高，单独能承受的插拔次数也高。
: 更重要的优势是docking。比如说，你不是一直想要把手机或者tablet直接dock在车里
: 当中控么? 不会有厂家在dash上接出来一堆线让你一根一根插的，白痴才会用那种东西
: 。现在你看一眼所有美国市场上的手机和tablet，哪个真正可以做这个docking
: console？只有果子的东西和atrix。motorola要想有厂家接受他的docking standard，
: 就只有把各种功能集成在一个接口上（本来他们也是准备这么干的，所以我觉得xoom就
: 是个过渡产品）。说白了就是走苹果的老路。
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a***e
发帖数: 27968 | 77 2.0A的USB是最近两年才加入的标准，接口应该是color coded
500ma是老标准，很多机器不支持
【在 R*S 的大作中提到】
: 这就是胡说了. USB 标准里面, 有源口每个可以最多提供500mA. High Power也是USB标
: 准的一部分.不是苹果自定的. High Power设备仅仅意味着USB设备可以使用USB端口提
: 供的所有POWER.在这一点上,苹果使用的是USB标准,不是自定的.
: 如果某PC厂家USB口不能充电,那有两种可能
: 1. 某PC厂家使用了无源USB,两成为了省钱,八成为了掩盖自己电池短命
: 2. 某PC厂家USB口不和USB标准.这不能怪苹果.
: 实际上,好多厂家的设备都是High Power USB. 比如Canon, HP的一些scanner. 都直接
: 从USB供电.也都要求High Power USB. 也没听谁JJWW的.
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a***e
发帖数: 27968 | 78 这些口比较新颖，好像不是USB标准里的
【在 d**k 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得你说的有源usb口不是一般的那种usb 口（non-powered usb). 你说的可能是图
: 里的那种。我手里的pc， 只有一台上面有这个口。。。。
: 再说了，不带拿tablet和scanner 比的。。。
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a***e
发帖数: 27968 | 79 ipad从全空到充满要多久？
你如果正儿八经想用ipad干点活，这个电源口还是独立出来的好
要不你正做演示，通过一个vga adaptor,没电了，想上个电源，抓瞎了
xoom应该学一个口，这样wifi就不用539了，439就成
然后usb接口线$30, HDMI $40, SD $30,正好补回来
ipad2
【在 t*********e 的大作中提到】
: 店里试用了十几分钟Xoom，感想是：花拳绣腿，华而不实。
: 举一个例子吧。居然有一个专门充电的插口。什么年代了？USB不能冲电？多一个插头
: ，多一堆部件，白白增加零部件成本和功耗，还影响美观。
: 百孔千疮，USB,HDMI,SD,Power，一堆洞洞。苹果只有一个（除了耳机）。为什么ipad2
: 即使支持HDMI也是用一个Adaptor,而不是在ipad2上开一个洞？这个工业设计上的取舍
: Xoom怎么就不学学呢？笨呐！
: 软件上就不用比了。
: 个人意见，别说这个价钱了，就是和iPad 1 一样价，也物非所值。
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a***e
发帖数: 27968 | 80 不懂别胡说，里面是Li-ion,要么3.7,要么7.4
对USB来说，一个降压，一个升压，对这年头的
供电IC几乎一样简单，反正你不能拿5V直接上
【在 t*********e 的大作中提到】
: Xoom单独的充电插口也许反映了另一个问题：电池。USB的电压不够。不得不用专一的
: 充电器，高一点的电压。我没看见那个充电器。不过我想不会是一个很时髦的东西。一
: 根细黑线。一个大黑坨。
: 苹果为什么可以？大概下了一点功夫吧。这种点点滴滴也是用心良苦。
: 关于软件，不妨在Xoom浏览器上用两个手指缓缓放大一个网页。你就会看到网页在不停
: 的颤抖。抖动的让你头昏眼花。写这个软件的人真该好好想想怎么优化。
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w******x
发帖数: 4396 | 81 usb is a standard across a lot more digital products. ipod interface is
applicable in a smaller area. that doesn't stop it from being a de facto
standard in the arena it plays in.
oh, and you really need to look up what's de facto standard. pdf didn't
become de facto standard by having other companies selling their version of
acrobat. same thing with ipod interface.
回事
【在 T****n 的大作中提到】
: 说了半天，除了苹果还是没人用他的接口（山寨除外）
: 生产外设的厂家当然要针对兼用产品生产dock，不过这和苹果接口成为standard是两回事
: 你一厢情愿的认为苹果成了standard是你自己的问题，和别人没关系。我不用苹果接口
: 同样玩手机，mp3，苹果哪天离了usb，根本就玩不转。所以，usb是标准，苹果接口不
: 是。
:
: with
: want
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f*i
发帖数: 531 | 82 It is probably not universal standard yet, but unfortunately most automobile makers have integrated ipod interface in their car audio and allow driver to control directly through their navigation or console buttons. That's the probably the last straw that push me to the apple smart phones and devices. You can't beat not having to bring extra power cables or audio adapters for phones and mp3 player to play or charge in the car. Being the long time pocket pc users starting from ipaq from HP, it is sad to see those gradually fading out, but apple seems to be setting the standard for automakers.
See the automakers with apple interface integration
http://www.apple.com/ipod/car-integration/
At least I haven't seen any other consumer electronics makers convinced the auto industry to do the same.
【在 T****n 的大作中提到】
: standard for what?
: and
: Sony connector IS the standard
: Palm connector IS the standard.
: Sansa connector IS the standard.
: Please go on
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w******x
发帖数: 4396 | 83 这年头，什么手持设备/车载设备能把好几个程序的数据传输都总成到一个usb口上的？
计算能力就不盯。
【在 a***e 的大作中提到】
: 这年头，什么中控需要超过USB3.0的带宽
: 如果不视频，usb2.0都多了
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a***e
发帖数: 27968 | 84 usb host很容易就可以接个hub,
你没用过一个hub接7个设备同时跑，
没有难度的，只有带宽问题
【在 w******x 的大作中提到】
: 这年头，什么手持设备/车载设备能把好几个程序的数据传输都总成到一个usb口上的？
: 计算能力就不盯。
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a***e
发帖数: 27968 | 85 pdf creater? there are at least 50+ kinds of different vendor.
and pdf is a standard now.
of
【在 w******x 的大作中提到】
: usb is a standard across a lot more digital products. ipod interface is
: applicable in a smaller area. that doesn't stop it from being a de facto
: standard in the arena it plays in.
: oh, and you really need to look up what's de facto standard. pdf didn't
: become de facto standard by having other companies selling their version of
: acrobat. same thing with ipod interface.
:
: 回事
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m********e
发帖数: 33 | 86 网板也就上个网，查个邮件，打个游戏，在未来1，2年内来看，16G够了。
【在 c*****h 的大作中提到】
: 16G够用了吗？
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m********e
发帖数: 33 | 87 等到现有的projector之类，都被有hdmi接口的产品取代的时候，现在流行的网板也早
就没人用了。
【在 s****c 的大作中提到】
: 这个是一个趋势 以后投影机都应该是用hdmi或者display port的
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a***e
发帖数: 27968 | 88 只要不看照片影片
【在 m********e 的大作中提到】
: 网板也就上个网，查个邮件，打个游戏，在未来1，2年内来看，16G够了。
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w******x
发帖数: 4396 | 89 you are exactly illustrating my point. pdf only became an open standard in
2008. before that, it was a de facto standard and was every bit as
proprietary as ipod interface.
【在 a***e 的大作中提到】
: pdf creater? there are at least 50+ kinds of different vendor.
: and pdf is a standard now.
:
: of
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w******x
发帖数: 4396 | 90 you didn't come up with any mobile/automobile device that actually support
usb host.
the reason is simple. no phone OS right now does that, much less running
hubs. no, android does not have usb host. all the usb hosts are hacks.
without true multitasking i doubt a dockable usb is coming any time soon.
【在 a***e 的大作中提到】
: usb host很容易就可以接个hub,
: 你没用过一个hub接7个设备同时跑，
: 没有难度的，只有带宽问题
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T****n
发帖数: 6187 | 91 所以你应该等苹果开放了标准再来谈standard，而不是现在来喋喋不休什么de faco
【在 w******x 的大作中提到】
: you are exactly illustrating my point. pdf only became an open standard in
: 2008. before that, it was a de facto standard and was every bit as
: proprietary as ipod interface.
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T****n
发帖数: 6187 | 92 所以我说应该有个docking standard
mp3，smartphone非苹果市场占有率比苹果大的多。但是没有个统一的接口标准实现类
似的功能。否则的话，现在装到那些车上的就会是别的接口而不是apple的。
automobile makers have integrated ipod interface in their car audio and
allow driver to control directly through their navigation or console buttons
. That's the probably the last straw that push me to the apple smart phones
and devices. You can't beat not having to bring extra power cables or audio
adapters for phones and mp3 player to play or charge in the car. Being the
long time pocket pc users starting from ipaq from HP, it i: s sad to see
those gradually fading out, but apple seems to be setting the standard for
automakers.
the auto industry to do the same.
【在 f*i 的大作中提到】
: It is probably not universal standard yet, but unfortunately most automobile makers have integrated ipod interface in their car audio and allow driver to control directly through their navigation or console buttons. That's the probably the last straw that push me to the apple smart phones and devices. You can't beat not having to bring extra power cables or audio adapters for phones and mp3 player to play or charge in the car. Being the long time pocket pc users starting from ipaq from HP, it is sad to see those gradually fading out, but apple seems to be setting the standard for automakers.
: See the automakers with apple interface integration
: http://www.apple.com/ipod/car-integration/
: At least I haven't seen any other consumer electronics makers convinced the auto industry to do the same.
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a***a
发帖数: 40617 | 93 that's so true
buttons
phones
audio
【在 T****n 的大作中提到】
: 所以我说应该有个docking standard
: mp3，smartphone非苹果市场占有率比苹果大的多。但是没有个统一的接口标准实现类
: 似的功能。否则的话，现在装到那些车上的就会是别的接口而不是apple的。
:
: automobile makers have integrated ipod interface in their car audio and
: allow driver to control directly through their navigation or console buttons
: . That's the probably the last straw that push me to the apple smart phones
: and devices. You can't beat not having to bring extra power cables or audio
: adapters for phones and mp3 player to play or charge in the car. Being the
: long time pocket pc users starting from ipaq from HP, it i: s sad to see
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a***e
发帖数: 27968 | 94 not really, pdf was licenced out long before that.
pdf editor was relatively hard to find.
but pdf reader and creator was everywhere.
did apple licence ipod connector standard to its competitors?
that is the first step to become a standard.
if i remembered it right, even ipod connectors
are not consistent across the gens. WTF
all you need is actually USB
【在 w******x 的大作中提到】
: you are exactly illustrating my point. pdf only became an open standard in
: 2008. before that, it was a de facto standard and was every bit as
: proprietary as ipod interface.
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a***e
发帖数: 27968 | 95 搞一个USB for control audio etc. hdmi for video
two parallel ports,
or just the TB from intel, or the DP2, all will work.
buttons
phones
audio
【在 T****n 的大作中提到】
: 所以我说应该有个docking standard
: mp3，smartphone非苹果市场占有率比苹果大的多。但是没有个统一的接口标准实现类
: 似的功能。否则的话，现在装到那些车上的就会是别的接口而不是apple的。
:
: automobile makers have integrated ipod interface in their car audio and
: allow driver to control directly through their navigation or console buttons
: . That's the probably the last straw that push me to the apple smart phones
: and devices. You can't beat not having to bring extra power cables or audio
: adapters for phones and mp3 player to play or charge in the car. Being the
: long time pocket pc users starting from ipaq from HP, it i: s sad to see
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a***e
发帖数: 27968 | 96 俺们公司很多projector都换成平板电视了
【在 m********e 的大作中提到】
: 等到现有的projector之类，都被有hdmi接口的产品取代的时候，现在流行的网板也早
: 就没人用了。
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s**u
发帖数: 1436 | 97 只要有充电的口就行，数据传输都会是wireless的了
【在 a***e 的大作中提到】
: 搞一个USB for control audio etc. hdmi for video
: two parallel ports,
: or just the TB from intel, or the DP2, all will work.
:
: buttons
: phones
: audio
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a***e
发帖数: 27968 | 98 车上没视频要求的话没问题
【在 s**u 的大作中提到】
: 只要有充电的口就行，数据传输都会是wireless的了
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