m****u
发帖数: 3915 | 1 Android被发现直接copy java的源代码
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/21/oops-android-contains-direct
copied-java-code-strengthening/
Oops: Android contains directly copied Java code, strengthening Oracle's
case
Florian Mueller has been killing it these past few months with his
analysis of various tech patent suits on his FOSSpatents blog, and today
he's unearthed a pretty major bombshell: at least 43 Android source
files that appear to have been directly copied from Java. That's a big
deal, seeing as Oracle is currently suing Google for patent and
copyright infringement in Android -- which isn't a hard case to prove
when you've got 37 Android source files marked "PROPRIETARY /
CONFIDENTIAL" and "DO NOT DISTRIBUTE" by Oracle / Sun and at least six
more files in Froyo and Gingerbread that appear to have been decompiled
from Java 2 Standard Edition and redistributed under the Apache open
source license without permission. In simple terms? Google copied
Oracle's Java code, pasted in a new license, and shipped it.
Now, we've long thought Google's odd response to Oracle's lawsuit
seemingly acknowledged some infringement, so we doubt this is a surprise
in Mountain View, but we're guessing handset vendors aren't going to be
so thrilled -- especially since using Android has already caused
companies like HTC and Motorola to be hit with major patent lawsuits of
their own. We'll see what happens, but in the meantime you should
definitely hit up Florian's site for the full dirt -- it's some 47 pages
worth of material, and it's dense, but if you're into this sort of thing
it's incredibly interesting. |
e******e
发帖数: 458 | 2 我有点晕了。难道google不怕有一天被查出来？
【在 m****u 的大作中提到】
: Android被发现直接copy java的源代码
: http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/21/oops-android-contains-direct
: copied-java-code-strengthening/
: Oops: Android contains directly copied Java code, strengthening Oracle's
: case
: Florian Mueller has been killing it these past few months with his
: analysis of various tech patent suits on his FOSSpatents blog, and today
: he's unearthed a pretty major bombshell: at least 43 Android source
: files that appear to have been directly copied from Java. That's a big
: deal, seeing as Oracle is currently suing Google for patent and
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n*****3
发帖数: 1584 | 3 look at the approach of Google did to google book,
use the book first, get the market share first..
then wait for the law suite. They can hire best lawyer,so they
can ignore those authors..
Who says "DO not be evil?"...
any see who is the blue evil now?
婊子&pai fang , they want both!
【在 e******e 的大作中提到】
: 我有点晕了。难道google不怕有一天被查出来？
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l******o
发帖数: 2649 | 4 very very nb.
【在 m****u 的大作中提到】
: Android被发现直接copy java的源代码
: http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/21/oops-android-contains-direct
: copied-java-code-strengthening/
: Oops: Android contains directly copied Java code, strengthening Oracle's
: case
: Florian Mueller has been killing it these past few months with his
: analysis of various tech patent suits on his FOSSpatents blog, and today
: he's unearthed a pretty major bombshell: at least 43 Android source
: files that appear to have been directly copied from Java. That's a big
: deal, seeing as Oracle is currently suing Google for patent and
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b********7
发帖数: 12906 | |
s********n
发帖数: 943 | 6 this must be not true.
google never do evil.
Google will do not do something evil like that.
【在 m****u 的大作中提到】
: Android被发现直接copy java的源代码
: http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/21/oops-android-contains-direct
: copied-java-code-strengthening/
: Oops: Android contains directly copied Java code, strengthening Oracle's
: case
: Florian Mueller has been killing it these past few months with his
: analysis of various tech patent suits on his FOSSpatents blog, and today
: he's unearthed a pretty major bombshell: at least 43 Android source
: files that appear to have been directly copied from Java. That's a big
: deal, seeing as Oracle is currently suing Google for patent and
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t******a
发帖数: 1200 | 7 这里是另外一边的看法 Ed Burnette from zdnet - Oops: No copied
Java code or weapons of mass destruction found in Android
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/burnette/oops-no-copied-java-code-or-
Sometimes the sheer wrongness of what is posted on the web
leaves us speechless. Especially when it’s picked up and
repeated as gospel by otherwise reputable sites like Engadget.
“Google copied Oracle’s Java code, pasted in a new license,
and shipped it,” they reported this morning.
Sorry, but that just isn’t true.
It all started with an article written by Florian Mueller,
who by the way is neither a lawyer nor a developer although he
plays one on TV. I downloaded and examined all the files he
wrote about, and my analysis as an expert developer comes to
a completely different conclusion than Mr. Mueller. Here’s
what I found:
There are two sets of files in question. The first set of 7
(PolicyNodeImpl.java, AclEntryImpl.java, AclImpl.java,
GroupImpl.java, OwnerImpl.java, PermissionImpl.java, and
PrincipalImpl.java) are in the unit test area of the source
code tree. As any programmer will tell you, you don’t ship
your unit tests with your product. Unit tests are tools used
internally to ensure the quality of the software before you
ship it.
The second set of 37 files is actually zipped up into one file
called MMAPI.zip and tucked away in a directory used for native
code audio drivers for one particular type of chip set. Florian
really had to go digging for this one. I double-checked the make
files and it’s clear this file is not shipped with Android
either. Somebody uploaded it by mistake and it should simply
be deleted.
I did find one odd thing about the first 7 files. Sun published
those files on its web site to help developers debug and test their
own code. For some reason, the Android or Harmony developer who was
using them decompiled and rebuilt them instead of just using the
ones from Sun. Later an Apache license got incorrectly pasted to
the top of the files, perhaps by some automated script. The solution
to this earth shattering conspiracy? Replace them with the original
files from Sun which have the correct comments. Or just delete
them. After all, they’re not shipped with Android.
Updated: Looks like Google has already taken care of these files.
PolicyNodeImpl.java was deleted from the source tree on 30 Oct
2010. The other 6 java files and a few others were deleted on 14
Jan 2011. The commit comment from developer Dan Bornstein reads
“Remove pointless tests”. You can still go back through the
history to see the old versions.
Sadly, while sensational articles like Engadget’s and Mueller’s
will get splashed all over the web and lavished with thousands of
views and hundreds of comments, the boring truth will rate no
such attention.
【在 m****u 的大作中提到】
: Android被发现直接copy java的源代码
: http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/21/oops-android-contains-direct
: copied-java-code-strengthening/
: Oops: Android contains directly copied Java code, strengthening Oracle's
: case
: Florian Mueller has been killing it these past few months with his
: analysis of various tech patent suits on his FOSSpatents blog, and today
: he's unearthed a pretty major bombshell: at least 43 Android source
: files that appear to have been directly copied from Java. That's a big
: deal, seeing as Oracle is currently suing Google for patent and
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s******6
发帖数: 748 | 8 android是google买来的，不知道这个抄袭是发生在买之前还是买之后。 |
a***a
发帖数: 40617 | 9 这都不是第一次了
【在 s********n 的大作中提到】
: this must be not true.
: google never do evil.
: Google will do not do something evil like that.
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f********m
发帖数: 8397 | 10 Thanks for sharing.
but those apple fan boys and ideological google haters don't have the
capacity in their brains to absorb this investigation.
of-mass-destruction-found-in-android/2162
【在 t******a 的大作中提到】
: 这里是另外一边的看法 Ed Burnette from zdnet - Oops: No copied
: Java code or weapons of mass destruction found in Android
: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/burnette/oops-no-copied-java-code-or-
: Sometimes the sheer wrongness of what is posted on the web
: leaves us speechless. Especially when it’s picked up and
: repeated as gospel by otherwise reputable sites like Engadget.
: “Google copied Oracle’s Java code, pasted in a new license,
: and shipped it,” they reported this morning.
: Sorry, but that just isn’t true.
: It all started with an article written by Florian Mueller,
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P*****f
发帖数: 2272 | 11 这是另外一个详细分析
http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2011/01/new-alleged-evi
【在 t******a 的大作中提到】
: 这里是另外一边的看法 Ed Burnette from zdnet - Oops: No copied
: Java code or weapons of mass destruction found in Android
: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/burnette/oops-no-copied-java-code-or-
: Sometimes the sheer wrongness of what is posted on the web
: leaves us speechless. Especially when it’s picked up and
: repeated as gospel by otherwise reputable sites like Engadget.
: “Google copied Oracle’s Java code, pasted in a new license,
: and shipped it,” they reported this morning.
: Sorry, but that just isn’t true.
: It all started with an article written by Florian Mueller,
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z**r
发帖数: 17771 | 12 打回去重新写英语
【在 s********n 的大作中提到】
: this must be not true.
: google never do evil.
: Google will do not do something evil like that.
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p******r
发帖数: 1127 | 13 Madam, this analysis is BS. Unit test code IS real code, regardless
of you ship it or not. You can't steal code into your company's internal
tool and claim: "hei, we are not thieves. Even though we've made money
on products supported by this unit test and internal tool, we are not
shipping the code."
【在 f********m 的大作中提到】
: Thanks for sharing.
: but those apple fan boys and ideological google haters don't have the
: capacity in their brains to absorb this investigation.
:
: of-mass-destruction-found-in-android/2162
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z**r
发帖数: 17771 | 14 android现在也不是google的了，已经分离出去了
【在 s******6 的大作中提到】
: android是google买来的，不知道这个抄袭是发生在买之前还是买之后。
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f********m
发帖数: 8397 | 15 it all depends on Java's license, pussy.
【在 p******r 的大作中提到】
: Madam, this analysis is BS. Unit test code IS real code, regardless
: of you ship it or not. You can't steal code into your company's internal
: tool and claim: "hei, we are not thieves. Even though we've made money
: on products supported by this unit test and internal tool, we are not
: shipping the code."
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P*****f
发帖数: 2272 | 16 I think it might be a complicated case. not sure how would it impact the
lawsuit
【在 f********m 的大作中提到】
: it all depends on Java's license, pussy.
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f********m
发帖数: 8397 | 17 some money will change hands for sure. IP lawyers will win eventually.
It is just so annoying to see ppl jumping out to defend their apple
fanhood and/or ideology.
【在 P*****f 的大作中提到】
: I think it might be a complicated case. not sure how would it impact the
: lawsuit
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a***a
发帖数: 40617 | 18 啥?还有这事?我孤陋了
【在 z**r 的大作中提到】
: android现在也不是google的了，已经分离出去了
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s****r
发帖数: 5546 | 19 "apple fanhood"? You are the only person in this thread keeping mentioning
apple. You are indeed a google retard.
【在 f********m 的大作中提到】
: some money will change hands for sure. IP lawyers will win eventually.
: It is just so annoying to see ppl jumping out to defend their apple
: fanhood and/or ideology.
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j****n
发帖数: 4358 | 20 Very interesting.
the question is that if google copy the code, then used them for a
while, and then delete them, is it still be pirate?
of-mass-destruction-found-in-android/2162
【在 t******a 的大作中提到】
: 这里是另外一边的看法 Ed Burnette from zdnet - Oops: No copied
: Java code or weapons of mass destruction found in Android
: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/burnette/oops-no-copied-java-code-or-
: Sometimes the sheer wrongness of what is posted on the web
: leaves us speechless. Especially when it’s picked up and
: repeated as gospel by otherwise reputable sites like Engadget.
: “Google copied Oracle’s Java code, pasted in a new license,
: and shipped it,” they reported this morning.
: Sorry, but that just isn’t true.
: It all started with an article written by Florian Mueller,
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G****s
发帖数: 3523 | 21 google is the US government - a bitch that claims it's not.
apple is the chinese government - a bitch that does not even bother
explaining to anyone. |
a***a
发帖数: 40617 | 22 good
【在 G****s 的大作中提到】
: google is the US government - a bitch that claims it's not.
: apple is the chinese government - a bitch that does not even bother
: explaining to anyone.
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j****n
发帖数: 4358 | 23 no wonder the people here do not like apple like google
hehe
【在 G****s 的大作中提到】
: google is the US government - a bitch that claims it's not.
: apple is the chinese government - a bitch that does not even bother
: explaining to anyone.
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T****n
发帖数: 6187 | 24 什么like不like的，不就一东西么，玩玩而已。
玩东西玩到有心结其实就是被玩了，这是很多人看不惯果轮的原因。
【在 j****n 的大作中提到】
: no wonder the people here do not like apple like google
: hehe
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P*****f
发帖数: 2272 | 25 no, google will never be us goverment.
Facebook is.
【在 G****s 的大作中提到】
: google is the US government - a bitch that claims it's not.
: apple is the chinese government - a bitch that does not even bother
: explaining to anyone.
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r****n
发帖数: 496 | 26 费劲de-compile的原因估计是不好意思直接该原来代码里的license, de-compile再添
自己的license就不一样了，呵呵
【在 P*****f 的大作中提到】
: 这是另外一个详细分析
: http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2011/01/new-alleged-evi
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z**r
发帖数: 17771 | 27 android早就是Open Handset Alliance 拥有的了，google只不过是里面可能最重要的
一个member
【在 a***a 的大作中提到】
: 啥?还有这事?我孤陋了
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r****t
发帖数: 10904 | 28 你连 android 啥 license 都没清楚。
【在 a***a 的大作中提到】
: 啥?还有这事?我孤陋了
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a9
发帖数: 21638 | 29 java到底是啥license啊？
好像是可以查看源代码，但不能商业应用？那android是怎么用的？
android好像是bsd协议吧？貌似还有apache协议的。
实在搞不懂。
【在 r****t 的大作中提到】
: 你连 android 啥 license 都没清楚。
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f*****Q
发帖数: 1912 | 30 不是Oracle么？
【在 f********m 的大作中提到】
: Thanks for sharing.
: but those apple fan boys and ideological google haters don't have the
: capacity in their brains to absorb this investigation.
:
: of-mass-destruction-found-in-android/2162
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f*****Q
发帖数: 1912 | 31 GPL的，这好像是Google给改成Apache的了。
商业应用可以从Oracle买另外的license。
【在 a9 的大作中提到】
: java到底是啥license啊？
: 好像是可以查看源代码，但不能商业应用？那android是怎么用的？
: android好像是bsd协议吧？貌似还有apache协议的。
: 实在搞不懂。
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c****n
发帖数: 21367 | 32 like people already mentioned, depends on the license
in the case of computer game
you illegally download a game, play it, then delete it
it is piracy...
【在 j****n 的大作中提到】
: Very interesting.
: the question is that if google copy the code, then used them for a
: while, and then delete them, is it still be pirate?
:
: of-mass-destruction-found-in-android/2162
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N****w
发帖数: 21578 | 33 私人 piracy 一般不犯法
不扩散就行
连卫星解码器都可以自用，只是不能卖
【在 c****n 的大作中提到】
: like people already mentioned, depends on the license
: in the case of computer game
: you illegally download a game, play it, then delete it
: it is piracy...
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s********i
发帖数: 17328 | 34 就是就是，找那个逻辑，我装盗版windows开发软件去卖，微软没有理由过问？
【在 p******r 的大作中提到】
: Madam, this analysis is BS. Unit test code IS real code, regardless
: of you ship it or not. You can't steal code into your company's internal
: tool and claim: "hei, we are not thieves. Even though we've made money
: on products supported by this unit test and internal tool, we are not
: shipping the code."
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n*****8
发帖数: 19630 | 35 Android 是Open Source。它的底层完全是Linux。其java编译器也使用sun/oracle的
java JRE/JDK。因此这样的指控有些搞笑。哪家公司最后商业化了，就应该去买sun的
license.或者自己也open source。
此外，不喜欢Google在中国搞事的网友，应该把Android和Google的商业行为分开。
Android还是很不错的。 |
m******6
发帖数: 1899 | |
y***r
发帖数: 16594 | 37 炒就炒了呗。几行代码，又不是什么真的nb原创的东西。小题大作。 |
r******y
发帖数: 3838 | 38 这东西谁写都差不多
【在 m****u 的大作中提到】
: Android被发现直接copy java的源代码
: http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/21/oops-android-contains-direct
: copied-java-code-strengthening/
: Oops: Android contains directly copied Java code, strengthening Oracle's
: case
: Florian Mueller has been killing it these past few months with his
: analysis of various tech patent suits on his FOSSpatents blog, and today
: he's unearthed a pretty major bombshell: at least 43 Android source
: files that appear to have been directly copied from Java. That's a big
: deal, seeing as Oracle is currently suing Google for patent and
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g****t
发帖数: 31659 | 39
【在 m****u 的大作中提到】
: Android被发现直接copy java的源代码
: http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/21/oops-android-contains-direct
: copied-java-code-strengthening/
: Oops: Android contains directly copied Java code, strengthening Oracle's
: case
: Florian Mueller has been killing it these past few months with his
: analysis of various tech patent suits on his FOSSpatents blog, and today
: he's unearthed a pretty major bombshell: at least 43 Android source
: files that appear to have been directly copied from Java. That's a big
: deal, seeing as Oracle is currently suing Google for patent and
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