e***7
发帖数: 118 | 1 如题，EE方向，博士读了3年半，由于工作方向和phd方向很像而且学校和intel有合作
，老板也同意，所以打算先拿MS工作，然后边工作边phd，不知道大家觉得在Hillsboro
fresh MS 7万5怎么样？还有往上要价的空间不？
谢谢大家。 |
l******s
发帖数: 1276 | 2 very good offer
【在 e***7 的大作中提到】
: 如题，EE方向，博士读了3年半，由于工作方向和phd方向很像而且学校和intel有合作
: ，老板也同意，所以打算先拿MS工作，然后边工作边phd，不知道大家觉得在Hillsboro
: fresh MS 7万5怎么样？还有往上要价的空间不？
: 谢谢大家。
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O**********n
发帖数: 5504 | |
M****a
发帖数: 11261 | 4 Very reasonable....
Are they going to reimburse your tuition and fees? Do they allow
publications of your work? If yes to both,
it's even better.....
Hillsboro
【在 e***7 的大作中提到】
: 如题，EE方向，博士读了3年半，由于工作方向和phd方向很像而且学校和intel有合作
: ，老板也同意，所以打算先拿MS工作，然后边工作边phd，不知道大家觉得在Hillsboro
: fresh MS 7万5怎么样？还有往上要价的空间不？
: 谢谢大家。
|
K*****o
发帖数: 1609 | 5 这个要价早就是老黄历了。
【在 O**********n 的大作中提到】
: At least 100k bah!
|
l******s
发帖数: 1276 | 6 啥意思，以前给过这么高的？
【在 K*****o 的大作中提到】
: 这个要价早就是老黄历了。
|
O**********m
发帖数: 781 | 7 Not recommended. MS salary is too low, if you complete PHD asap, the salary
will be at least 25K more anuualy (base salary). Also Intel is too busy and
stress out for study/work in parallel. I wouldn't do that if I were you.....
People usually couldn't imagine how bad it can be when you work full time,
especially in Intel, no personal time at all. You will be lucky if you can
have weekends off.... |
L*D
发帖数: 2803 | 8 能让你拿个碗坐在锅里吃还付你饭钱，这种好事哪里找？
Hillsboro
【在 e***7 的大作中提到】
: 如题，EE方向，博士读了3年半，由于工作方向和phd方向很像而且学校和intel有合作
: ，老板也同意，所以打算先拿MS工作，然后边工作边phd，不知道大家觉得在Hillsboro
: fresh MS 7万5怎么样？还有往上要价的空间不？
: 谢谢大家。
|
k***u
发帖数: 5746 | 9 闹得，闹得
【在 L*D 的大作中提到】
: 能让你拿个碗坐在锅里吃还付你饭钱，这种好事哪里找？
:
: Hillsboro
|
M****a
发帖数: 11261 | 10 说得太精辟啦
【在 L*D 的大作中提到】
: 能让你拿个碗坐在锅里吃还付你饭钱，这种好事哪里找？
:
: Hillsboro
|
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p*******r
发帖数: 759 | |
M*****s
发帖数: 224 | 12 我觉得Intel是挺忙的，不过没觉得有你说的那么惨。
你要是这么miserable,我觉得你可你考虑跳槽啦。
salary
busy and
you.....
time,
you can
【在 O**********m 的大作中提到】
: Not recommended. MS salary is too low, if you complete PHD asap, the salary
: will be at least 25K more anuualy (base salary). Also Intel is too busy and
: stress out for study/work in parallel. I wouldn't do that if I were you.....
: People usually couldn't imagine how bad it can be when you work full time,
: especially in Intel, no personal time at all. You will be lucky if you can
: have weekends off....
|
W*****r
发帖数: 5681 | 13 Nod nod!! Depend on your group and project.
【在 M*****s 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得Intel是挺忙的，不过没觉得有你说的那么惨。
: 你要是这么miserable,我觉得你可你考虑跳槽啦。
:
: salary
: busy and
: you.....
: time,
: you can
|
M*****s
发帖数: 224 | 14 你在这里灌水。。。我刚要发email问你有没有load照片呢？ :)
【在 W*****r 的大作中提到】
: Nod nod!! Depend on your group and project.
|
W*****r
发帖数: 5681 | 15 Working on them today. Just came back from a long business trip. Sorry for
the delay.
【在 M*****s 的大作中提到】
: 你在这里灌水。。。我刚要发email问你有没有load照片呢？ :)
|
M*****s
发帖数: 224 | 16 no problem at all... where did you go? hopefully it is a fun place. I would
hate to go to a boring place for a long business trip...
for
【在 W*****r 的大作中提到】
: Working on them today. Just came back from a long business trip. Sorry for
: the delay.
|
W*****r
发帖数: 5681 | 17 Phoenix, AZ... went to Chandler campus. Hot and sweating in 80s. Nice and
away from rain. :)
would
【在 M*****s 的大作中提到】
: no problem at all... where did you go? hopefully it is a fun place. I would
: hate to go to a boring place for a long business trip...
:
: for
|
O**********m
发帖数: 781 | 18 I got out of Intel long long time ago, otherwise, there is no anytime to get
online to ba gua, hehe......
The point is: just be careful with what you get yourself into....more than
80 hours per week is more than a normal person can handle in a long term....
.D1D/D1C/PTD are all like that.Other groups might be better, it is worth the
time to discuss with the folks internally to get insight.
For the people who have been used to that, they are not aware of what they
are missing out in the life.....That is why Intel only hire RCG, that is the
only chance Intel have to nurture the mentality...There are plenty
companies outside of Intel will pay matching salary, but with 40 hours work
load instead of 80. Just my personally opion.
Nothing comes for free. I consider leaving Intel was the best decision I
have ever made for myself. Life has been wondreful after that. Happiness and
health are very important....working at Intel won't have that, unless you
are very very lcky. That is possible too. :-)
【在 M*****s 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得Intel是挺忙的，不过没觉得有你说的那么惨。
: 你要是这么miserable,我觉得你可你考虑跳槽啦。
:
: salary
: busy and
: you.....
: time,
: you can
|
W*****r
发帖数: 5681 | 19 Thanks for the advice. Fabrication jobs are devil. Which company are you
working now?
get
..
the
the
work
【在 O**********m 的大作中提到】
: I got out of Intel long long time ago, otherwise, there is no anytime to get
: online to ba gua, hehe......
: The point is: just be careful with what you get yourself into....more than
: 80 hours per week is more than a normal person can handle in a long term....
: .D1D/D1C/PTD are all like that.Other groups might be better, it is worth the
: time to discuss with the folks internally to get insight.
: For the people who have been used to that, they are not aware of what they
: are missing out in the life.....That is why Intel only hire RCG, that is the
: only chance Intel have to nurture the mentality...There are plenty
: companies outside of Intel will pay matching salary, but with 40 hours work
|
c******s
发帖数: 419 | 20 千万不可如此。否则你基本上就废了。
1。 MS进门还是PHD进门在绿卡申请时就看出区别了。
2。 PHD论文时间不保证。且不一定让你写你做的东西。基本上是时间X5。就是原来在
学校半年就能结束的最后冲刺阶段，可能要拖2-3年。搞不好你的PHD就废了。
3。 最后冲刺会耗掉你太多精力，得个BE，IR可能性很大。当然，不排除你是牛人，
一边写论文，一边把你们组的人甩开8条街。
intern是最好的选择，可惜不招中国intern了。 |
|
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s********b
发帖数: 2494 | 21 1.啥区别？
2.为啥子一定要读PHD?
【在 c******s 的大作中提到】
: 千万不可如此。否则你基本上就废了。
: 1。 MS进门还是PHD进门在绿卡申请时就看出区别了。
: 2。 PHD论文时间不保证。且不一定让你写你做的东西。基本上是时间X5。就是原来在
: 学校半年就能结束的最后冲刺阶段，可能要拖2-3年。搞不好你的PHD就废了。
: 3。 最后冲刺会耗掉你太多精力，得个BE，IR可能性很大。当然，不排除你是牛人，
: 一边写论文，一边把你们组的人甩开8条街。
: intern是最好的选择，可惜不招中国intern了。
|
b*********y
发帖数: 139 | 22 要看楼主去什么组了，还有他学校的Ph.D.是不是非常demanding
【在 c******s 的大作中提到】
: 千万不可如此。否则你基本上就废了。
: 1。 MS进门还是PHD进门在绿卡申请时就看出区别了。
: 2。 PHD论文时间不保证。且不一定让你写你做的东西。基本上是时间X5。就是原来在
: 学校半年就能结束的最后冲刺阶段，可能要拖2-3年。搞不好你的PHD就废了。
: 3。 最后冲刺会耗掉你太多精力，得个BE，IR可能性很大。当然，不排除你是牛人，
: 一边写论文，一边把你们组的人甩开8条街。
: intern是最好的选择，可惜不招中国intern了。
|
O**********m
发帖数: 781 | 23 完全同意，千万不要得不偿失，拿硕士起薪低，而且级别低，还不如痛快的先拿个博士
再说，通常在职博士很难毕业，或者要延期很久，为了一个Intel的工作，实在是不值
得。。。而且有可能intel不会因为倒是你拿到博士学位而给你长级别。。。。因为不
符合RCG的标准。。。。还是先弄清楚在决定，免得到时候郁闷。
【在 c******s 的大作中提到】
: 千万不可如此。否则你基本上就废了。
: 1。 MS进门还是PHD进门在绿卡申请时就看出区别了。
: 2。 PHD论文时间不保证。且不一定让你写你做的东西。基本上是时间X5。就是原来在
: 学校半年就能结束的最后冲刺阶段，可能要拖2-3年。搞不好你的PHD就废了。
: 3。 最后冲刺会耗掉你太多精力，得个BE，IR可能性很大。当然，不排除你是牛人，
: 一边写论文，一边把你们组的人甩开8条街。
: intern是最好的选择，可惜不招中国intern了。
|
O**********m
发帖数: 781 | 24 博士在半导体工业界是必需的，否则没有竞争实力，大部分公司一看没有博士学历，就
先放一边了。。。而且博士起薪比说是高很多。。。
【在 s********b 的大作中提到】
: 1.啥区别？
: 2.为啥子一定要读PHD?
|
s********b
发帖数: 2494 | 25 这有歧视吧。咋博士就一定强了。
【在 O**********m 的大作中提到】
: 博士在半导体工业界是必需的，否则没有竞争实力，大部分公司一看没有博士学历，就
: 先放一边了。。。而且博士起薪比说是高很多。。。
|
O**********m
发帖数: 781 | 26 不是歧视，是产品换代太快（大约最多两年），博士都有研发背景，上手快，而且能做
的深入的多，硕士要能达到博士研发的水平，比念个博士时间还长（我们都知道博士时
怎末念出来的，一般都5年），所以如果招硕士，比招博士，公司所承担的风险大，与
其找个硕士来培训，不如找个博士，反正博士在学校专业课，研发课题，培训的已经差
不多了，半导体工业界现在的趋势是偏向于博士学历，还要有很好的工作经验。。。如
果这两点符合，换工作很容易。
【在 s********b 的大作中提到】
: 这有歧视吧。咋博士就一定强了。
|
O**********m
发帖数: 781 | 27 不好意思啊，我不太好意思说得太具体，要不Intel的几位都知道我是谁了。。。这个
世界满小的，我们可以下次聚餐当面聊。谢谢
【在 W*****r 的大作中提到】
: Thanks for the advice. Fabrication jobs are devil. Which company are you
: working now?
:
: get
: ..
: the
: the
: work
|
O**********m
发帖数: 781 | 28 当然，能力与学历无关，有很多本科硕士能力都很强，我如下的个人意见只是从一般公
司招聘的特点有感而发而已。。。在一般情况下，本科硕士如何向招聘公司证明自己的
实力会更加有挑战性。。
【在 O**********m 的大作中提到】
: 不是歧视，是产品换代太快（大约最多两年），博士都有研发背景，上手快，而且能做
: 的深入的多，硕士要能达到博士研发的水平，比念个博士时间还长（我们都知道博士时
: 怎末念出来的，一般都5年），所以如果招硕士，比招博士，公司所承担的风险大，与
: 其找个硕士来培训，不如找个博士，反正博士在学校专业课，研发课题，培训的已经差
: 不多了，半导体工业界现在的趋势是偏向于博士学历，还要有很好的工作经验。。。如
: 果这两点符合，换工作很容易。
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M*****s
发帖数: 224 | 29 I don't know even what D1D/D1C/PTD are.... :) I guess I should consider
myself
lucky...
in your case, you made a good decision to leave, being that busy is no fun.
job is just a job, life is more important...
get
..
the
the
work
【在 O**********m 的大作中提到】
: I got out of Intel long long time ago, otherwise, there is no anytime to get
: online to ba gua, hehe......
: The point is: just be careful with what you get yourself into....more than
: 80 hours per week is more than a normal person can handle in a long term....
: .D1D/D1C/PTD are all like that.Other groups might be better, it is worth the
: time to discuss with the folks internally to get insight.
: For the people who have been used to that, they are not aware of what they
: are missing out in the life.....That is why Intel only hire RCG, that is the
: only chance Intel have to nurture the mentality...There are plenty
: companies outside of Intel will pay matching salary, but with 40 hours work
|
M*****s
发帖数: 224 | 30 你的phoenix的照片拍的很震撼。我们也去过那里，所以有些地方看着还满亲切的。
多谢多谢你的照片啊，有好些好好玩的照片喔。你用的lense有时很好玩。
回头再聊。。。
and
away from rain. :)
【在 W*****r 的大作中提到】
: Phoenix, AZ... went to Chandler campus. Hot and sweating in 80s. Nice and
: away from rain. :)
:
: would
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O**********m
发帖数: 781 | 31 oh, yes, you are very very lucky.
PTD/D1D/D1C are in Rolner Acre campus (RA3/RA2), they are the main
development sites (other than research path finding). Usually research path
finding work on projects ten years ahead of the market, when it is getting
mature and ready to be bought on market, it will go through PTD, then D1D
ramp up, D1C is another development fab but with much less development
content in it.....The comments for PTD/D1D from others: "They are animals...
", D1C is slightly better, but still with very intense work load, especially
when you are sent to D1D or PTD for seed training, the life after that will
be in hell, sometimes, we all wish we can be dead, that will be such a
release.... The very famous comment from one plant manager in public during
meetings:"if you don't work at least 80 hours per week, you do not belong to
Intel in a long run"....man!!! I realzied that I have to find another job
after that.....
After all, a job is not life, it is just a way to get a better life. When
life is not getting better, time to consider a change. :-)
.
【在 M*****s 的大作中提到】
: I don't know even what D1D/D1C/PTD are.... :) I guess I should consider
: myself
: lucky...
: in your case, you made a good decision to leave, being that busy is no fun.
: job is just a job, life is more important...
:
: get
: ..
: the
: the
|
b*********y
发帖数: 139 | 32 I actually know a couple of guys in the fab...they tend to be workaholics
but are not as overworked as you were...
path
..
especially
will
【在 O**********m 的大作中提到】
: oh, yes, you are very very lucky.
: PTD/D1D/D1C are in Rolner Acre campus (RA3/RA2), they are the main
: development sites (other than research path finding). Usually research path
: finding work on projects ten years ahead of the market, when it is getting
: mature and ready to be bought on market, it will go through PTD, then D1D
: ramp up, D1C is another development fab but with much less development
: content in it.....The comments for PTD/D1D from others: "They are animals...
: ", D1C is slightly better, but still with very intense work load, especially
: when you are sent to D1D or PTD for seed training, the life after that will
: be in hell, sometimes, we all wish we can be dead, that will be such a
|
W*****r
发帖数: 5681 | 33 Wife works in D1C and job is busy without ending in sight. Another friend
works in D1D and her job is not as bad as we thought.
【在 O**********m 的大作中提到】
: oh, yes, you are very very lucky.
: PTD/D1D/D1C are in Rolner Acre campus (RA3/RA2), they are the main
: development sites (other than research path finding). Usually research path
: finding work on projects ten years ahead of the market, when it is getting
: mature and ready to be bought on market, it will go through PTD, then D1D
: ramp up, D1C is another development fab but with much less development
: content in it.....The comments for PTD/D1D from others: "They are animals...
: ", D1C is slightly better, but still with very intense work load, especially
: when you are sent to D1D or PTD for seed training, the life after that will
: be in hell, sometimes, we all wish we can be dead, that will be such a
|
O**********m
发帖数: 781 | 34 Those guys are workholic, but men do not complain as much like women. Women
are more vocal....like me.....hehe, believe me, they are over-worked a lot..
..just not say it out though.
【在 b*********y 的大作中提到】
: I actually know a couple of guys in the fab...they tend to be workaholics
: but are not as overworked as you were...
:
: path
: ..
: especially
: will
|
O**********m
发帖数: 781 | 35 Even in D1C/D1D/PTD, there are a few positions that are not bad, but it kind
of hard to get.
【在 W*****r 的大作中提到】
: Wife works in D1C and job is busy without ending in sight. Another friend
: works in D1D and her job is not as bad as we thought.
|
O**********m
发帖数: 781 | 36 well, people who are still working at Intel, just like me back then, prefer
to keep our mouth shut. It is not a great ideal to talk about how bad is it
in Intel while still working there.....I didn't realized how bad it was
until I got out of it. While I was still working in Intel, I didn't have
time to complain, no time to rest....always mountains of work loaded. Even
now, most of my friend working at Intel have no time to have dinner during
weekdays because too much work to finsih at night.....
Women
..
【在 O**********m 的大作中提到】
: Those guys are workholic, but men do not complain as much like women. Women
: are more vocal....like me.....hehe, believe me, they are over-worked a lot..
: ..just not say it out though.
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c******s
发帖数: 419 | 37 EB1B: PHD
EB2: PHD or MS w/ 3+ years working experience before enter Intel
EB3: MS w/ less than 3 years working experience before enter Intel
【在 s********b 的大作中提到】
: 1.啥区别？
: 2.为啥子一定要读PHD?
|
s********b
发帖数: 2494 | 38 requirement on 3+ years experience is somewhat BT。
【在 c******s 的大作中提到】
: EB1B: PHD
: EB2: PHD or MS w/ 3+ years working experience before enter Intel
: EB3: MS w/ less than 3 years working experience before enter Intel
|
c*******g
发帖数: 1048 | 39 听说Intel Oregon是核心业务，工作忙点但是晋升快点？相对于phoenix那边
prefer
it
Even
during
【在 O**********m 的大作中提到】
: well, people who are still working at Intel, just like me back then, prefer
: to keep our mouth shut. It is not a great ideal to talk about how bad is it
: in Intel while still working there.....I didn't realized how bad it was
: until I got out of it. While I was still working in Intel, I didn't have
: time to complain, no time to rest....always mountains of work loaded. Even
: now, most of my friend working at Intel have no time to have dinner during
: weekdays because too much work to finsih at night.....
:
: Women
: ..
|
O**********m
发帖数: 781 | 40 每个季度招那末多博士，大家全是博士，提升的机会很少，就算有个group leader的位
置空缺，也轮不到新人哪。相比Phoenix，Phoenix的提升机会更多，因为那里本科生多
一些 |
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O**********m
发帖数: 781 | 41 在Intel fab (fab之外的其他的部门不清楚），越往上提升，日子越难过，越来越凄惨
（对于正常人来说），那些group leader更加没有时间睡觉，Plant manager更惨，人
家vacation的方式是仍然来上班，只是不去开会而已，当然了，人家一点也不觉得自己
凄惨，反而很享受，因为工作就是他们生活的全部。所以说，人与人是很不同的，如果
想要正常的生活,感受生活的美好，还是考虑其他的公司好一些，尤其是matching
salary,但是几乎是少于Intel一半的工作强度（40 hrs Vs. Intel 80 hrs per week).
但是并不是所有的人都意识到了there is something better out there. |
m*****n
发帖数: 72 | 42 会不会这帮9级10级的家伙都拿好多奖金+股票？想拚个5-10年就退休？
否则大家都是人，谁也不傻瞎干吧？
).
【在 O**********m 的大作中提到】
: 在Intel fab (fab之外的其他的部门不清楚），越往上提升，日子越难过，越来越凄惨
: （对于正常人来说），那些group leader更加没有时间睡觉，Plant manager更惨，人
: 家vacation的方式是仍然来上班，只是不去开会而已，当然了，人家一点也不觉得自己
: 凄惨，反而很享受，因为工作就是他们生活的全部。所以说，人与人是很不同的，如果
: 想要正常的生活,感受生活的美好，还是考虑其他的公司好一些，尤其是matching
: salary,但是几乎是少于Intel一半的工作强度（40 hrs Vs. Intel 80 hrs per week).
: 但是并不是所有的人都意识到了there is something better out there.
|
O**********m
发帖数: 781 | 43 在Intel工作5到10年是退休不了的，而且Intel fab里几乎见不到什末40多岁的人，有
也都是leader，如果在intel工作十几年还不是group leader，日子一般都不好过，因
为新招来的博士可以很容易的取代你，而且薪水低，所以Intel的事情很难说，但是只
要不开心，还是早一些找其他公司的机会，要不早晚都是走，还是趁早吧，至少还能享
受生活一下,还损失的不太多。Life is too short to work so hard like that.
能找到其他工作的，早离开了；找不到合适的，或者还没意识到可以找到更好机会的，
就先忍着，再没找好下家之前，大家都挺玩命的，正是因为大家都不傻，所以说如果不
是Intel的管理机制不允许偷懒，谁那末玩命呀。(如果没人逼，只告诉多给钱，估计还
是没人玩命.) |
O**********m
发帖数: 781 | 44 听这口气，你一定不再Intel.我以前也都相似的问题，到了Intel才知道，原来真的是
没有选择，Intel的project和task force是按小时提供updates的，一天最少早晚两次
，还敢晚上睡觉？第二天早上7点半的晨会就成为专门为你开的批斗会，口水淹死，在
没进展，group leader就开始乌七八糟的招呼可以刺痛你神经的底线，想想大家都是拖
家带口，有房有车的，谁敢拿工作开玩笑？要不谁来付明年的房子和车子？所以在
Intel fab大部分人的日子都是不安生。大家都不傻，一个正常人，再有选择的情况下
，谁又愿意玩命工作？可以玩命一天两天，像那些Intel的头们的，一年又一年的玩命
工作，还是蛮可怜的，可怜在于“have no idea what he has been missing out of
his life"。
祝享受生活，每天开心，天天睡到自然醒。呵呵
【在 m*****n 的大作中提到】
: 会不会这帮9级10级的家伙都拿好多奖金+股票？想拚个5-10年就退休？
: 否则大家都是人，谁也不傻瞎干吧？
:
: ).
|
s*****d
发帖数: 2457 | 45 intel hillsboro也不只是fab吧，除了fab之外其它的部门呢？
【在 O**********m 的大作中提到】
: 听这口气，你一定不再Intel.我以前也都相似的问题，到了Intel才知道，原来真的是
: 没有选择，Intel的project和task force是按小时提供updates的，一天最少早晚两次
: ，还敢晚上睡觉？第二天早上7点半的晨会就成为专门为你开的批斗会，口水淹死，在
: 没进展，group leader就开始乌七八糟的招呼可以刺痛你神经的底线，想想大家都是拖
: 家带口，有房有车的，谁敢拿工作开玩笑？要不谁来付明年的房子和车子？所以在
: Intel fab大部分人的日子都是不安生。大家都不傻，一个正常人，再有选择的情况下
: ，谁又愿意玩命工作？可以玩命一天两天，像那些Intel的头们的，一年又一年的玩命
: 工作，还是蛮可怜的，可怜在于“have no idea what he has been missing out of
: his life"。
: 祝享受生活，每天开心，天天睡到自然醒。呵呵
|
O**********m
发帖数: 781 | 46 I don't have insights of other groups (other than fab), when it is time to
make a decision, it is very important to talk to the peope who already work
there to have a feel, just be causious that when their employees are talking
in a very political way,usually, it is not a good sign. People can not fake
happiness. |
e***7
发帖数: 118 | 47 如题，EE方向，博士读了3年半，由于工作方向和phd方向很像而且学校和intel有合作
，老板也同意，所以打算先拿MS工作，然后边工作边phd，不知道大家觉得在Hillsboro
fresh MS 7万5怎么样？还有往上要价的空间不？
谢谢大家。 |
l******s
发帖数: 1276 | 48 very good offer
【在 e***7 的大作中提到】
: 如题，EE方向，博士读了3年半，由于工作方向和phd方向很像而且学校和intel有合作
: ，老板也同意，所以打算先拿MS工作，然后边工作边phd，不知道大家觉得在Hillsboro
: fresh MS 7万5怎么样？还有往上要价的空间不？
: 谢谢大家。
|
O**********n
发帖数: 5504 | |
M****a
发帖数: 11261 | 50 Very reasonable....
Are they going to reimburse your tuition and fees? Do they allow
publications of your work? If yes to both,
it's even better.....
Hillsboro
【在 e***7 的大作中提到】
: 如题，EE方向，博士读了3年半，由于工作方向和phd方向很像而且学校和intel有合作
: ，老板也同意，所以打算先拿MS工作，然后边工作边phd，不知道大家觉得在Hillsboro
: fresh MS 7万5怎么样？还有往上要价的空间不？
: 谢谢大家。
|
|
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K*****o
发帖数: 1609 | 51 这个要价早就是老黄历了。
【在 O**********n 的大作中提到】
: At least 100k bah!
|
l******s
发帖数: 1276 | 52 啥意思，以前给过这么高的？
【在 K*****o 的大作中提到】
: 这个要价早就是老黄历了。
|
O**********m
发帖数: 781 | 53 Not recommended. MS salary is too low, if you complete PHD asap, the salary
will be at least 25K more anuualy (base salary). Also Intel is too busy and
stress out for study/work in parallel. I wouldn't do that if I were you.....
People usually couldn't imagine how bad it can be when you work full time,
especially in Intel, no personal time at all. You will be lucky if you can
have weekends off.... |
L*D
发帖数: 2803 | 54 能让你拿个碗坐在锅里吃还付你饭钱，这种好事哪里找？
Hillsboro
【在 e***7 的大作中提到】
: 如题，EE方向，博士读了3年半，由于工作方向和phd方向很像而且学校和intel有合作
: ，老板也同意，所以打算先拿MS工作，然后边工作边phd，不知道大家觉得在Hillsboro
: fresh MS 7万5怎么样？还有往上要价的空间不？
: 谢谢大家。
|
k***u
发帖数: 5746 | 55 闹得，闹得
【在 L*D 的大作中提到】
: 能让你拿个碗坐在锅里吃还付你饭钱，这种好事哪里找？
:
: Hillsboro
|
M****a
发帖数: 11261 | 56 说得太精辟啦
【在 L*D 的大作中提到】
: 能让你拿个碗坐在锅里吃还付你饭钱，这种好事哪里找？
:
: Hillsboro
|
p*******r
发帖数: 759 | |
M*****s
发帖数: 224 | 58 我觉得Intel是挺忙的，不过没觉得有你说的那么惨。
你要是这么miserable,我觉得你可你考虑跳槽啦。
salary
busy and
you.....
time,
you can
【在 O**********m 的大作中提到】
: Not recommended. MS salary is too low, if you complete PHD asap, the salary
: will be at least 25K more anuualy (base salary). Also Intel is too busy and
: stress out for study/work in parallel. I wouldn't do that if I were you.....
: People usually couldn't imagine how bad it can be when you work full time,
: especially in Intel, no personal time at all. You will be lucky if you can
: have weekends off....
|
W*****r
发帖数: 5681 | 59 Nod nod!! Depend on your group and project.
【在 M*****s 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得Intel是挺忙的，不过没觉得有你说的那么惨。
: 你要是这么miserable,我觉得你可你考虑跳槽啦。
:
: salary
: busy and
: you.....
: time,
: you can
|
M*****s
发帖数: 224 | 60 你在这里灌水。。。我刚要发email问你有没有load照片呢？ :)
【在 W*****r 的大作中提到】
: Nod nod!! Depend on your group and project.
|
|
|
W*****r
发帖数: 5681 | 61 Working on them today. Just came back from a long business trip. Sorry for
the delay.
【在 M*****s 的大作中提到】
: 你在这里灌水。。。我刚要发email问你有没有load照片呢？ :)
|
M*****s
发帖数: 224 | 62 no problem at all... where did you go? hopefully it is a fun place. I would
hate to go to a boring place for a long business trip...
for
【在 W*****r 的大作中提到】
: Working on them today. Just came back from a long business trip. Sorry for
: the delay.
|
W*****r
发帖数: 5681 | 63 Phoenix, AZ... went to Chandler campus. Hot and sweating in 80s. Nice and away from rain. :)
Mystics, photos posted in my Facebook. I will give you complete set on CD.
would
【在 M*****s 的大作中提到】
: no problem at all... where did you go? hopefully it is a fun place. I would
: hate to go to a boring place for a long business trip...
:
: for
|
O**********m
发帖数: 781 | 64 I got out of Intel long long time ago, otherwise, there is no anytime to get
online to ba gua, hehe......
The point is: just be careful with what you get yourself into....more than
80 hours per week is more than a normal person can handle in a long term....
.D1D/D1C/PTD are all like that.Other groups might be better, it is worth the
time to discuss with the folks internally to get insight.
For the people who have been used to that, they are not aware of what they
are missing out in the life.....That is why Intel only hire RCG, that is the
only chance Intel have to nurture the mentality...There are plenty
companies outside of Intel will pay matching salary, but with 40 hours work
load instead of 80. Just my personally opion.
Nothing comes for free. I consider leaving Intel was the best decision I
have ever made for myself. Life has been wondreful after that. Happiness and
health are very important....working at Intel won't have that, unless you
are very very lcky. That is possible too. :-)
【在 M*****s 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得Intel是挺忙的，不过没觉得有你说的那么惨。
: 你要是这么miserable,我觉得你可你考虑跳槽啦。
:
: salary
: busy and
: you.....
: time,
: you can
|
W*****r
发帖数: 5681 | 65 Thanks for the advice. Fabrication jobs are devil. Which company are you
working now?
get
..
the
the
work
【在 O**********m 的大作中提到】
: I got out of Intel long long time ago, otherwise, there is no anytime to get
: online to ba gua, hehe......
: The point is: just be careful with what you get yourself into....more than
: 80 hours per week is more than a normal person can handle in a long term....
: .D1D/D1C/PTD are all like that.Other groups might be better, it is worth the
: time to discuss with the folks internally to get insight.
: For the people who have been used to that, they are not aware of what they
: are missing out in the life.....That is why Intel only hire RCG, that is the
: only chance Intel have to nurture the mentality...There are plenty
: companies outside of Intel will pay matching salary, but with 40 hours work
|
c******s
发帖数: 419 | 66 千万不可如此。否则你基本上就废了。
1。 MS进门还是PHD进门在绿卡申请时就看出区别了。
2。 PHD论文时间不保证。且不一定让你写你做的东西。基本上是时间X5。就是原来在
学校半年就能结束的最后冲刺阶段，可能要拖2-3年。搞不好你的PHD就废了。
3。 最后冲刺会耗掉你太多精力，得个BE，IR可能性很大。当然，不排除你是牛人，
一边写论文，一边把你们组的人甩开8条街。
intern是最好的选择，可惜不招中国intern了。 |
s********b
发帖数: 2494 | 67 1.啥区别？
2.为啥子一定要读PHD?
【在 c******s 的大作中提到】
: 千万不可如此。否则你基本上就废了。
: 1。 MS进门还是PHD进门在绿卡申请时就看出区别了。
: 2。 PHD论文时间不保证。且不一定让你写你做的东西。基本上是时间X5。就是原来在
: 学校半年就能结束的最后冲刺阶段，可能要拖2-3年。搞不好你的PHD就废了。
: 3。 最后冲刺会耗掉你太多精力，得个BE，IR可能性很大。当然，不排除你是牛人，
: 一边写论文，一边把你们组的人甩开8条街。
: intern是最好的选择，可惜不招中国intern了。
|
b*********y
发帖数: 139 | 68 要看楼主去什么组了，还有他学校的Ph.D.是不是非常demanding
【在 c******s 的大作中提到】
: 千万不可如此。否则你基本上就废了。
: 1。 MS进门还是PHD进门在绿卡申请时就看出区别了。
: 2。 PHD论文时间不保证。且不一定让你写你做的东西。基本上是时间X5。就是原来在
: 学校半年就能结束的最后冲刺阶段，可能要拖2-3年。搞不好你的PHD就废了。
: 3。 最后冲刺会耗掉你太多精力，得个BE，IR可能性很大。当然，不排除你是牛人，
: 一边写论文，一边把你们组的人甩开8条街。
: intern是最好的选择，可惜不招中国intern了。
|
O**********m
发帖数: 781 | 69 完全同意，千万不要得不偿失，拿硕士起薪低，而且级别低，还不如痛快的先拿个博士
再说，通常在职博士很难毕业，或者要延期很久，为了一个Intel的工作，实在是不值
得。。。而且有可能intel不会因为倒是你拿到博士学位而给你长级别。。。。因为不
符合RCG的标准。。。。还是先弄清楚在决定，免得到时候郁闷。
【在 c******s 的大作中提到】
: 千万不可如此。否则你基本上就废了。
: 1。 MS进门还是PHD进门在绿卡申请时就看出区别了。
: 2。 PHD论文时间不保证。且不一定让你写你做的东西。基本上是时间X5。就是原来在
: 学校半年就能结束的最后冲刺阶段，可能要拖2-3年。搞不好你的PHD就废了。
: 3。 最后冲刺会耗掉你太多精力，得个BE，IR可能性很大。当然，不排除你是牛人，
: 一边写论文，一边把你们组的人甩开8条街。
: intern是最好的选择，可惜不招中国intern了。
|
O**********m
发帖数: 781 | 70 博士在半导体工业界是必需的，否则没有竞争实力，大部分公司一看没有博士学历，就
先放一边了。。。而且博士起薪比说是高很多。。。
【在 s********b 的大作中提到】
: 1.啥区别？
: 2.为啥子一定要读PHD?
|
|
|
s********b
发帖数: 2494 | 71 这有歧视吧。咋博士就一定强了。
【在 O**********m 的大作中提到】
: 博士在半导体工业界是必需的，否则没有竞争实力，大部分公司一看没有博士学历，就
: 先放一边了。。。而且博士起薪比说是高很多。。。
|
O**********m
发帖数: 781 | 72 不是歧视，是产品换代太快（大约最多两年），博士都有研发背景，上手快，而且能做
的深入的多，硕士要能达到博士研发的水平，比念个博士时间还长（我们都知道博士时
怎末念出来的，一般都5年），所以如果招硕士，比招博士，公司所承担的风险大，与
其找个硕士来培训，不如找个博士，反正博士在学校专业课，研发课题，培训的已经差
不多了，半导体工业界现在的趋势是偏向于博士学历，还要有很好的工作经验。。。如
果这两点符合，换工作很容易。
【在 s********b 的大作中提到】
: 这有歧视吧。咋博士就一定强了。
|
O**********m
发帖数: 781 | 73 不好意思啊，我不太好意思说得太具体，要不Intel的几位都知道我是谁了。。。这个
世界满小的，我们可以下次聚餐当面聊。谢谢
【在 W*****r 的大作中提到】
: Thanks for the advice. Fabrication jobs are devil. Which company are you
: working now?
:
: get
: ..
: the
: the
: work
|
O**********m
发帖数: 781 | 74 当然，能力与学历无关，有很多本科硕士能力都很强，我如下的个人意见只是从一般公
司招聘的特点有感而发而已。。。在一般情况下，本科硕士如何向招聘公司证明自己的
实力会更加有挑战性。。
【在 O**********m 的大作中提到】
: 不是歧视，是产品换代太快（大约最多两年），博士都有研发背景，上手快，而且能做
: 的深入的多，硕士要能达到博士研发的水平，比念个博士时间还长（我们都知道博士时
: 怎末念出来的，一般都5年），所以如果招硕士，比招博士，公司所承担的风险大，与
: 其找个硕士来培训，不如找个博士，反正博士在学校专业课，研发课题，培训的已经差
: 不多了，半导体工业界现在的趋势是偏向于博士学历，还要有很好的工作经验。。。如
: 果这两点符合，换工作很容易。
|
M*****s
发帖数: 224 | 75 I don't know even what D1D/D1C/PTD are.... :) I guess I should consider
myself
lucky...
in your case, you made a good decision to leave, being that busy is no fun.
job is just a job, life is more important...
get
..
the
the
work
【在 O**********m 的大作中提到】
: I got out of Intel long long time ago, otherwise, there is no anytime to get
: online to ba gua, hehe......
: The point is: just be careful with what you get yourself into....more than
: 80 hours per week is more than a normal person can handle in a long term....
: .D1D/D1C/PTD are all like that.Other groups might be better, it is worth the
: time to discuss with the folks internally to get insight.
: For the people who have been used to that, they are not aware of what they
: are missing out in the life.....That is why Intel only hire RCG, that is the
: only chance Intel have to nurture the mentality...There are plenty
: companies outside of Intel will pay matching salary, but with 40 hours work
|
M*****s
发帖数: 224 | 76 你的phoenix的照片拍的很震撼。我们也去过那里，所以有些地方看着还满亲切的。
多谢多谢你的照片啊，有好些好好玩的照片喔。你用的lense有时很好玩。
回头再聊。。。
and
away from rain. :)
【在 W*****r 的大作中提到】
: Phoenix, AZ... went to Chandler campus. Hot and sweating in 80s. Nice and away from rain. :)
: Mystics, photos posted in my Facebook. I will give you complete set on CD.
:
: would
|
O**********m
发帖数: 781 | 77 oh, yes, you are very very lucky.
PTD/D1D/D1C are in Rolner Acre campus (RA3/RA2), they are the main
development sites (other than research path finding). Usually research path
finding work on projects ten years ahead of the market, when it is getting
mature and ready to be bought on market, it will go through PTD, then D1D
ramp up, D1C is another development fab but with much less development
content in it.....The comments for PTD/D1D from others: "They are animals...
", D1C is slightly better, but still with very intense work load, especially
when you are sent to D1D or PTD for seed training, the life after that will
be in hell, sometimes, we all wish we can be dead, that will be such a
release.... The very famous comment from one plant manager in public during
meetings:"if you don't work at least 80 hours per week, you do not belong to
Intel in a long run"....man!!! I realzied that I have to find another job
after that.....
After all, a job is not life, it is just a way to get a better life. When
life is not getting better, time to consider a change. :-)
.
【在 M*****s 的大作中提到】
: I don't know even what D1D/D1C/PTD are.... :) I guess I should consider
: myself
: lucky...
: in your case, you made a good decision to leave, being that busy is no fun.
: job is just a job, life is more important...
:
: get
: ..
: the
: the
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b*********y
发帖数: 139 | 78 I actually know a couple of guys in the fab...they tend to be workaholics
but are not as overworked as you were...
path
..
especially
will
【在 O**********m 的大作中提到】
: oh, yes, you are very very lucky.
: PTD/D1D/D1C are in Rolner Acre campus (RA3/RA2), they are the main
: development sites (other than research path finding). Usually research path
: finding work on projects ten years ahead of the market, when it is getting
: mature and ready to be bought on market, it will go through PTD, then D1D
: ramp up, D1C is another development fab but with much less development
: content in it.....The comments for PTD/D1D from others: "They are animals...
: ", D1C is slightly better, but still with very intense work load, especially
: when you are sent to D1D or PTD for seed training, the life after that will
: be in hell, sometimes, we all wish we can be dead, that will be such a
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W*****r
发帖数: 5681 | 79 Wife works in D1C and job is busy without ending in sight. Another friend
works in D1D and her job is not as bad as we thought.
【在 O**********m 的大作中提到】
: oh, yes, you are very very lucky.
: PTD/D1D/D1C are in Rolner Acre campus (RA3/RA2), they are the main
: development sites (other than research path finding). Usually research path
: finding work on projects ten years ahead of the market, when it is getting
: mature and ready to be bought on market, it will go through PTD, then D1D
: ramp up, D1C is another development fab but with much less development
: content in it.....The comments for PTD/D1D from others: "They are animals...
: ", D1C is slightly better, but still with very intense work load, especially
: when you are sent to D1D or PTD for seed training, the life after that will
: be in hell, sometimes, we all wish we can be dead, that will be such a
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O**********m
发帖数: 781 | 80 Those guys are workholic, but men do not complain as much like women. Women
are more vocal....like me.....hehe, believe me, they are over-worked a lot..
..just not say it out though.
【在 b*********y 的大作中提到】
: I actually know a couple of guys in the fab...they tend to be workaholics
: but are not as overworked as you were...
:
: path
: ..
: especially
: will
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O**********m
发帖数: 781 | 81 Even in D1C/D1D/PTD, there are a few positions that are not bad, but it kind
of hard to get.
【在 W*****r 的大作中提到】
: Wife works in D1C and job is busy without ending in sight. Another friend
: works in D1D and her job is not as bad as we thought.
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O**********m
发帖数: 781 | 82 well, people who are still working at Intel, just like me back then, prefer
to keep our mouth shut. It is not a great ideal to talk about how bad is it
in Intel while still working there.....I didn't realized how bad it was
until I got out of it. While I was still working in Intel, I didn't have
time to complain, no time to rest....always mountains of work loaded. Even
now, most of my friend working at Intel have no time to have dinner during
weekdays because too much work to finsih at night.....
Women
..
【在 O**********m 的大作中提到】
: Those guys are workholic, but men do not complain as much like women. Women
: are more vocal....like me.....hehe, believe me, they are over-worked a lot..
: ..just not say it out though.
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c******s
发帖数: 419 | 83 EB1B: PHD
EB2: PHD or MS w/ 3+ years working experience before enter Intel
EB3: MS w/ less than 3 years working experience before enter Intel
【在 s********b 的大作中提到】
: 1.啥区别？
: 2.为啥子一定要读PHD?
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s********b
发帖数: 2494 | 84 requirement on 3+ years experience is somewhat BT。
【在 c******s 的大作中提到】
: EB1B: PHD
: EB2: PHD or MS w/ 3+ years working experience before enter Intel
: EB3: MS w/ less than 3 years working experience before enter Intel
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c*******g
发帖数: 1048 | 85 听说Intel Oregon是核心业务，工作忙点但是晋升快点？相对于phoenix那边
prefer
it
Even
during
【在 O**********m 的大作中提到】
: well, people who are still working at Intel, just like me back then, prefer
: to keep our mouth shut. It is not a great ideal to talk about how bad is it
: in Intel while still working there.....I didn't realized how bad it was
: until I got out of it. While I was still working in Intel, I didn't have
: time to complain, no time to rest....always mountains of work loaded. Even
: now, most of my friend working at Intel have no time to have dinner during
: weekdays because too much work to finsih at night.....
:
: Women
: ..
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O**********m
发帖数: 781 | 86 每个季度招那末多博士，大家全是博士，提升的机会很少，就算有个group leader的位
置空缺，也轮不到新人哪。相比Phoenix，Phoenix的提升机会更多，因为那里本科生多
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O**********m
发帖数: 781 | 87 在Intel fab (fab之外的其他的部门不清楚），越往上提升，日子越难过，越来越凄惨
（对于正常人来说），那些group leader更加没有时间睡觉，Plant manager更惨，人
家vacation的方式是仍然来上班，只是不去开会而已，当然了，人家一点也不觉得自己
凄惨，反而很享受，因为工作就是他们生活的全部。所以说，人与人是很不同的，如果
想要正常的生活,感受生活的美好，还是考虑其他的公司好一些，尤其是matching
salary,但是几乎是少于Intel一半的工作强度（40 hrs Vs. Intel 80 hrs per week).
但是并不是所有的人都意识到了there is something better out there. |
m*****n
发帖数: 72 | 88 会不会这帮9级10级的家伙都拿好多奖金+股票？想拚个5-10年就退休？
否则大家都是人，谁也不傻瞎干吧？
).
【在 O**********m 的大作中提到】
: 在Intel fab (fab之外的其他的部门不清楚），越往上提升，日子越难过，越来越凄惨
: （对于正常人来说），那些group leader更加没有时间睡觉，Plant manager更惨，人
: 家vacation的方式是仍然来上班，只是不去开会而已，当然了，人家一点也不觉得自己
: 凄惨，反而很享受，因为工作就是他们生活的全部。所以说，人与人是很不同的，如果
: 想要正常的生活,感受生活的美好，还是考虑其他的公司好一些，尤其是matching
: salary,但是几乎是少于Intel一半的工作强度（40 hrs Vs. Intel 80 hrs per week).
: 但是并不是所有的人都意识到了there is something better out there.
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O**********m
发帖数: 781 | 89 在Intel工作5到10年是退休不了的，而且Intel fab里几乎见不到什末40多岁的人，有
也都是leader，如果在intel工作十几年还不是group leader，日子一般都不好过，因
为新招来的博士可以很容易的取代你，而且薪水低，所以Intel的事情很难说，但是只
要不开心，还是早一些找其他公司的机会，要不早晚都是走，还是趁早吧，至少还能享
受生活一下,还损失的不太多。Life is too short to work so hard like that.
能找到其他工作的，早离开了；找不到合适的，或者还没意识到可以找到更好机会的，
就先忍着，再没找好下家之前，大家都挺玩命的，正是因为大家都不傻，所以说如果不
是Intel的管理机制不允许偷懒，谁那末玩命呀。(如果没人逼，只告诉多给钱，估计还
是没人玩命.) |
O**********m
发帖数: 781 | 90 听这口气，你一定不再Intel.我以前也都相似的问题，到了Intel才知道，原来真的是
没有选择，Intel的project和task force是按小时提供updates的，一天最少早晚两次
，还敢晚上睡觉？第二天早上7点半的晨会就成为专门为你开的批斗会，口水淹死，在
没进展，group leader就开始乌七八糟的招呼可以刺痛你神经的底线，想想大家都是拖
家带口，有房有车的，谁敢拿工作开玩笑？要不谁来付明年的房子和车子？所以在
Intel fab大部分人的日子都是不安生。大家都不傻，一个正常人，再有选择的情况下
，谁又愿意玩命工作？可以玩命一天两天，像那些Intel的头们的，一年又一年的玩命
工作，还是蛮可怜的，可怜在于“have no idea what he has been missing out of
his life"。
祝享受生活，每天开心，天天睡到自然醒。呵呵
【在 m*****n 的大作中提到】
: 会不会这帮9级10级的家伙都拿好多奖金+股票？想拚个5-10年就退休？
: 否则大家都是人，谁也不傻瞎干吧？
:
: ).
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s*****d
发帖数: 2457 | 91 intel hillsboro也不只是fab吧，除了fab之外其它的部门呢？
【在 O**********m 的大作中提到】
: 听这口气，你一定不再Intel.我以前也都相似的问题，到了Intel才知道，原来真的是
: 没有选择，Intel的project和task force是按小时提供updates的，一天最少早晚两次
: ，还敢晚上睡觉？第二天早上7点半的晨会就成为专门为你开的批斗会，口水淹死，在
: 没进展，group leader就开始乌七八糟的招呼可以刺痛你神经的底线，想想大家都是拖
: 家带口，有房有车的，谁敢拿工作开玩笑？要不谁来付明年的房子和车子？所以在
: Intel fab大部分人的日子都是不安生。大家都不傻，一个正常人，再有选择的情况下
: ，谁又愿意玩命工作？可以玩命一天两天，像那些Intel的头们的，一年又一年的玩命
: 工作，还是蛮可怜的，可怜在于“have no idea what he has been missing out of
: his life"。
: 祝享受生活，每天开心，天天睡到自然醒。呵呵
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O**********m
发帖数: 781 | 92 I don't have insights of other groups (other than fab), when it is time to
make a decision, it is very important to talk to the peope who already work
there to have a feel, just be causious that when their employees are talking
in a very political way,usually, it is not a good sign. People can not fake
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l*********o
发帖数: 3091 | 93 看来和TSMC有一比，TSMC晨会大家互相问候母亲。。。
【在 O**********m 的大作中提到】
: 听这口气，你一定不再Intel.我以前也都相似的问题，到了Intel才知道，原来真的是
: 没有选择，Intel的project和task force是按小时提供updates的，一天最少早晚两次
: ，还敢晚上睡觉？第二天早上7点半的晨会就成为专门为你开的批斗会，口水淹死，在
: 没进展，group leader就开始乌七八糟的招呼可以刺痛你神经的底线，想想大家都是拖
: 家带口，有房有车的，谁敢拿工作开玩笑？要不谁来付明年的房子和车子？所以在
: Intel fab大部分人的日子都是不安生。大家都不傻，一个正常人，再有选择的情况下
: ，谁又愿意玩命工作？可以玩命一天两天，像那些Intel的头们的，一年又一年的玩命
: 工作，还是蛮可怜的，可怜在于“have no idea what he has been missing out of
: his life"。
: 祝享受生活，每天开心，天天睡到自然醒。呵呵
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c***u
发帖数: 5501 | 94 你确信？
看来和TSMC有一比，TSMC晨会大家互相问候母亲。。。
【在 l*********o 的大作中提到】
: 看来和TSMC有一比，TSMC晨会大家互相问候母亲。。。
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