r*******t
发帖数: 8550 | 1 自由派经济学家克鲁曼(Paul Krugman)对共和党即将在2日投票中重掌众院表示忧心忡
忡，并认为将为美国带来重大灾祸。
共和党1995年到2000年底曾在柯林顿任总统时掌控国会，那段时间，全美就业快速
增加、预算控制得宜。但如今是完全不同情况。曾获诺贝尔和平奖的克鲁曼在近日「纽
约时报」的专栏中说，未来的历史学家可能把2010年的选举看作美国的一场大灾难，带
来美国持续多年的政治动盪和经济疲弱。
当时两党在一些议题还能通力合作，欧巴马总统似乎认为今日也可以两党合作，他
说：「将花更多时间在建立共识上」，似乎欧巴马不明历史。
克鲁曼分析指出，1990年代的两党合作是在共和党试过所有衝突手段后才发生的；
在那之前，共和党还曾关闭联邦政府，尝试迫使柯林顿总统大幅削减联邦医疗保险。
参院少数党领袖麦康纳在近日受访时说：「我们要达成最重要的一件事，就是让欧
巴马只当一任总统。」他说，共和党1995年最大的错误就是政策目标未专注在摧毁总统
上。
麦康诺确实也说他在某些情况下愿意与欧巴马合作——如果欧巴马採取的立场获得
共和党的支持者多于民主党时。当然，这会减损欧巴马连任的机会，但这就是麦康纳的
目的。
除政治面外，1990年代和现在极重要的不同是经济状况。
克鲁曼指出，1994年共和党控制国会时，美国经济拥有强健的基本面。家庭债务远
低于今日，企业投资激增，主要归功于资讯科技创造的新机会，来源很广泛的各种机会
，不只有荒唐的网路泡沫。
今日的情况完全不同，现在迫切需要联邦政府以积极的政策让美国摆脱经济困境。
克鲁曼认为，但如果共和党掌控国会，美国将不可能有这种政策。事实上，如果共
和党得偿夙愿，美国将面临双重打击：共和党将以赤字隐忧为由拒绝现在就採取刺激经
济的措施，同时又以不负责的减税来增加长期的赤字。如果本周的选举结果一如预期的
共和党掌控国会，克鲁曼说他的建议是：「大家应该担心，要很担心」。 |
m*****5
发帖数: 23482 | 2 共和党这2年对奥八太苛刻了，根本就是在搞两个凡是，搞的跟8区老将小将毛轮邓轮大
战似的，现在可好，茶叶党居然都搞到参议院了，种族主义的问题还得任重而道远 |
d***s
发帖数: 7683 | |
a*o
发帖数: 25262 | 4 Expending government spending and the Fed policy are all based on Keynes....
.not sure it works with the current situation...since the Fed fund rate has
been 0 for awhile....
纽约时报... left....
读读 WSJ 或 Fox, right... |
Z*****l
发帖数: 14069 | 5 Obama and co, just keep lying.
The economy already proved that Obama's election 2008 was a disaster for US.
【在 r*******t 的大作中提到】
: 自由派经济学家克鲁曼(Paul Krugman)对共和党即将在2日投票中重掌众院表示忧心忡
: 忡，并认为将为美国带来重大灾祸。
: 共和党1995年到2000年底曾在柯林顿任总统时掌控国会，那段时间，全美就业快速
: 增加、预算控制得宜。但如今是完全不同情况。曾获诺贝尔和平奖的克鲁曼在近日「纽
: 约时报」的专栏中说，未来的历史学家可能把2010年的选举看作美国的一场大灾难，带
: 来美国持续多年的政治动盪和经济疲弱。
: 当时两党在一些议题还能通力合作，欧巴马总统似乎认为今日也可以两党合作，他
: 说：「将花更多时间在建立共识上」，似乎欧巴马不明历史。
: 克鲁曼分析指出，1990年代的两党合作是在共和党试过所有衝突手段后才发生的；
: 在那之前，共和党还曾关闭联邦政府，尝试迫使柯林顿总统大幅削减联邦医疗保险。
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r*******t
发帖数: 8550 | 6 Are you brainwashed by GOP?
Did you already forget who caused the economic disaster?
US.
【在 Z*****l 的大作中提到】
: Obama and co, just keep lying.
: The economy already proved that Obama's election 2008 was a disaster for US.
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m*****5
发帖数: 23482 | 7 2008那个鸟样，怎么做都不会比2008更差了
GOP掀的起来，还是利用了白垃圾对尼哥根深蒂固的不信任 |
Z*****l
发帖数: 14069 | 8 sorry, but I brainwash others only.
instead of keep blaming history, please at least try to look at what the
current government did in the two years, look at how many IDs lost jobs on
Working board.
please stop being brainwashed by mainstream media, and think for yourself.
【在 r*******t 的大作中提到】
: Are you brainwashed by GOP?
: Did you already forget who caused the economic disaster?
:
: US.
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m*****5
发帖数: 23482 | 9
AND HOW MANY IDS LOST THEIR JOB IN 2001?
【在 Z*****l 的大作中提到】
: sorry, but I brainwash others only.
: instead of keep blaming history, please at least try to look at what the
: current government did in the two years, look at how many IDs lost jobs on
: Working board.
: please stop being brainwashed by mainstream media, and think for yourself.
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Z*****l
发帖数: 14069 | 10 so there was a 911 in 2009?
【在 m*****5 的大作中提到】
:
: AND HOW MANY IDS LOST THEIR JOB IN 2001?
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a*o
发帖数: 25262 | 11 看看这个非常流行的 youtube Video:
Republicans attacking the Dem.. |
m*****5
发帖数: 23482 | 12
逻辑？
上次.COM泡沫没挤干净，结果拉登闹了一把，红脖子就来劲了，说：老子是伟大的红脖
子，你个缠头宵小想看老子哭丧个脸的没门，老子有的是钱，这就烧给你看
然后就是这次的泡沫了
难道是左棍的错？
【在 Z*****l 的大作中提到】
: so there was a 911 in 2009?
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Z*****l
发帖数: 14069 | 13 so you mean Obama's election in 2008 was like another 911 that broke the
bubble? I guess I agree with u. Both were disasters.
【在 m*****5 的大作中提到】
:
: 逻辑？
: 上次.COM泡沫没挤干净，结果拉登闹了一把，红脖子就来劲了，说：老子是伟大的红脖
: 子，你个缠头宵小想看老子哭丧个脸的没门，老子有的是钱，这就烧给你看
: 然后就是这次的泡沫了
: 难道是左棍的错？
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m*****5
发帖数: 23482 | 14
看来你的阅读能力有问题
熊死蹬挂的时候是哪年哪月？
【在 Z*****l 的大作中提到】
: so you mean Obama's election in 2008 was like another 911 that broke the
: bubble? I guess I agree with u. Both were disasters.
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z*******o
发帖数: 4773 | |
Z*****l
发帖数: 14069 | 16 sorry i cannot understand your writing.
【在 m*****5 的大作中提到】
:
: 看来你的阅读能力有问题
: 熊死蹬挂的时候是哪年哪月？
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Z*****l
发帖数: 14069 | 17 ok, if you meant to say the stock market, then you should understand what
expectation is, and at that time how predictable it was for Obama to win. |
a*o
发帖数: 25262 | 18 大多数的政治人物都是律师出身，只知道怎么去推卸责任，在法庭上斗惯了，对经济，
并没有多大的认识，只选他们喜欢的经济学者作为后盾。。言听计从。。。。。 了解
多一点 Lawrence Summers 比 Obama 可能还多一点知道他们下一步怎么做。。。 |
m*****5
发帖数: 23482 | 19
你这个属于选党不选人，当心歧视尼哥的右洞跟你急
【在 a*o 的大作中提到】
: 大多数的政治人物都是律师出身，只知道怎么去推卸责任，在法庭上斗惯了，对经济，
: 并没有多大的认识，只选他们喜欢的经济学者作为后盾。。言听计从。。。。。 了解
: 多一点 Lawrence Summers 比 Obama 可能还多一点知道他们下一步怎么做。。。
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N**D
发帖数: 2885 | 20 克鲁曼这个经常指责中国经济政策的左派反华急先锋，怎么还有国人吹捧？
【在 r*******t 的大作中提到】
: 自由派经济学家克鲁曼(Paul Krugman)对共和党即将在2日投票中重掌众院表示忧心忡
: 忡，并认为将为美国带来重大灾祸。
: 共和党1995年到2000年底曾在柯林顿任总统时掌控国会，那段时间，全美就业快速
: 增加、预算控制得宜。但如今是完全不同情况。曾获诺贝尔和平奖的克鲁曼在近日「纽
: 约时报」的专栏中说，未来的历史学家可能把2010年的选举看作美国的一场大灾难，带
: 来美国持续多年的政治动盪和经济疲弱。
: 当时两党在一些议题还能通力合作，欧巴马总统似乎认为今日也可以两党合作，他
: 说：「将花更多时间在建立共识上」，似乎欧巴马不明历史。
: 克鲁曼分析指出，1990年代的两党合作是在共和党试过所有衝突手段后才发生的；
: 在那之前，共和党还曾关闭联邦政府，尝试迫使柯林顿总统大幅削减联邦医疗保险。
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i**********o
发帖数: 5993 | 21 减税 is always good. Why should I care about national debt as a resident
alien? |
Z*****l
发帖数: 14069 | 22 yes. especially when the debt was created by the exact same Obama group.
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/72404
Obama Added More to National Debt in First 19 Months Than All Presidents
from Washington Through Reagan Combined, Says Gov’t Data
In the first 19 months of the Obama administration, the federal debt held by
the public increased by $2.5260 trillion, which is more than the cumulative
total of the national debt held by the public that was amassed by all U.S.
presidents from George Washington through Ronald Reagan.
【在 i**********o 的大作中提到】
: 减税 is always good. Why should I care about national debt as a resident
: alien?
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a*o
发帖数: 25262 | 23 这势力只有这两党给占了。。。。。。这人，都是党的代表。。。都很少跟自己的党的
主义有矛盾。。。。。
【在 m*****5 的大作中提到】
:
: 你这个属于选党不选人，当心歧视尼哥的右洞跟你急
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a*o
发帖数: 25262 | 24 I think Bush's admin spent much more $ than the Clinton era. There was a
budget surplus while Clinton left the office. But Bush spent them all on
wars and other places....and the debt has been ballooning since then....
By the time Obama took the office, the economics was already in the bad
shape. No matter McCain or Obama .... they have to spend more Gov $ to reuse
the bad economic. This is the Keynesian economics that the US has been
following since the Great Depression.
by
cumulative
.
【在 Z*****l 的大作中提到】
: yes. especially when the debt was created by the exact same Obama group.
: http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/72404
: Obama Added More to National Debt in First 19 Months Than All Presidents
: from Washington Through Reagan Combined, Says Gov’t Data
: In the first 19 months of the Obama administration, the federal debt held by
: the public increased by $2.5260 trillion, which is more than the cumulative
: total of the national debt held by the public that was amassed by all U.S.
: presidents from George Washington through Ronald Reagan.
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Z*****l
发帖数: 14069 | 25 that may be WHY, but what about HOW? where did he spend the money? why so
money was wasted without any gain in unemployment/economy?
reuse
【在 a*o 的大作中提到】
: I think Bush's admin spent much more $ than the Clinton era. There was a
: budget surplus while Clinton left the office. But Bush spent them all on
: wars and other places....and the debt has been ballooning since then....
: By the time Obama took the office, the economics was already in the bad
: shape. No matter McCain or Obama .... they have to spend more Gov $ to reuse
: the bad economic. This is the Keynesian economics that the US has been
: following since the Great Depression.
:
: by
: cumulative
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Z*****l
发帖数: 14069 | 26 and read this,
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2010/10/national-debt-obama.html
Bush spent 4.9 trillion in 96 months, Obama spent 3 trillion in 21 months.
Remeber there was 911 and war and recession too to spend money on, but now
Obama only has one recession to deal with, and he already spent 3/5 of the money without finishing the recession yet?
Is he a moron?
【在 Z*****l 的大作中提到】
: that may be WHY, but what about HOW? where did he spend the money? why so
: money was wasted without any gain in unemployment/economy?
:
: reuse
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a*o
发帖数: 25262 | 27 read this...
http://www.federalbudget.com/
The relationships amount unemployment, interest rates, and the whole pic of macroeconomic are complicated... They are ALL MODELS, no one can guarantee that will work. These models are mainly developed to explain the pass but not the future. If and only if history repeats itself, it might work.
Usually, the unemployment and interest rates are going in the opposite
directions. But in the 1970's era, they were heading in the same direction. No one knows why until the Philips curve came out and explained it afterward ..... What they are doing now is trying to rescue the current bad economic with the old method, of course, no one knows it will work or not. And politicians NEVER say it's bad until outcome can be proved.
【在 Z*****l 的大作中提到】
: that may be WHY, but what about HOW? where did he spend the money? why so
: money was wasted without any gain in unemployment/economy?
:
: reuse
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Z*****l
发帖数: 14069 | 28 I don't understand what you are trying to prove. The fact is that it didn't
work, and someone has to take the blame for it.
Bush and GOP took their part of the blame in 2008 election, and now it's Obama and DEM's turn to take the punishment for continuing the stupidity and for increasing the national debt even faster. Anything wrong with that?
of
【在 a*o 的大作中提到】
: read this...
: http://www.federalbudget.com/
: The relationships amount unemployment, interest rates, and the whole pic of macroeconomic are complicated... They are ALL MODELS, no one can guarantee that will work. These models are mainly developed to explain the pass but not the future. If and only if history repeats itself, it might work.
: Usually, the unemployment and interest rates are going in the opposite
: directions. But in the 1970's era, they were heading in the same direction. No one knows why until the Philips curve came out and explained it afterward ..... What they are doing now is trying to rescue the current bad economic with the old method, of course, no one knows it will work or not. And politicians NEVER say it's bad until outcome can be proved.
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u*******n
发帖数: 2396 | 29 生死各安天命，咱中国人大不了卷铺盖回国种地去。。。
采菊东篱下，悠然见南山 |
z****g
发帖数: 1978 | |
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t*******y
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