q*****j
发帖数: 5 | 1 The rankings by Inside Jersey seems much more sensible to me since it is
primarily based on the student achievement. NJ Monthly completely destroyed
its credibility by its randomness.
For complete rankings by Inside Jersey, see the link:
http://www.nj.com/inside-jersey/index.ssf/cover_stories/best_hi
Top 50 schools by Inside Jersey (without magnet schools)
Ranking County School
1 Camden Haddonfield Memorial H.S.
2 Mercer Princeton H.S.
3 Hudson Mcnair Academic H.S.
4 Essex Millburn Sr. H.S.
5 Mercer Wwphs-South
6 Morris Chatham High
7 Mercer Wwphs-North
8 Bergen N Valley Reg H Demarest
9 Monmouth Rumson-Fair Haven Reg Hs
10 Union Westfield High School
11 Morris West Morris Mendham H.S.
12 Bergen Tenafly H.S.
13 Somerset Ridge H.S.
14 Union New Providence H.S.
15 Somerset Montgomery H.S.
16 Essex Livingston H.S.
17 Morris Mountain Lakes H.S.
18 Bergen Ridgewood H.S.
19 Bergen Cresskill H.S.
20 Somerset Bernards H.S.
21 Middlesex Metuchen H.S.
22 Hunterdon North Hunterdon H.S.
23 Middlesex J.P. Stevens H.S.
24 Union Governor Livingston H.S.
25 Bergen Pascack Hills H.S.
26 Union Cranford Senior H.S.
27 Camden Cherry Hill High-East H.S
28 Morris Madison H.S.
29 Bergen Northern Highlands Reg. H
30 Monmouth Holmdel H.S.
31 Mercer Central High School
32 Essex Glen Ridge H.S.
33 Monmouth Marlboro H.S.
34 Monmouth Colts Neck High School
35 Bergen Ramsey H.S.
36 Morris Randolph H.S.
37 Somerset Bridgewater-Raritan High
38 Union Summit Senior H.S.
39 Bergen Glen Rock High School
40 Passaic Wayne Hills H.S.
41 Bergen N Valley Reg H Old Tappan
42 Burlington Moorestown H.S.
43 Bergen Indian Hills H.S.
44 Bergen Mahwah H.S.
45 Bergen Pascack Valley H.S.
46 Essex Science H.S.
47 Monmouth Manasquan H.S.
48 Morris West Morris Central H.S.
49 Morris Kinnelon H.S.
50 Bergen Ramapo H.S. |
s*********e
发帖数: 4475 | 2 同意， NJ monthly就因为millburn多了一些学生，就把它打到第八名，
太可笑了。
这样大家往好学区搬，好学区就得降，坏学区也就上升了。
destroyed
【在 q*****j 的大作中提到】
: The rankings by Inside Jersey seems much more sensible to me since it is
: primarily based on the student achievement. NJ Monthly completely destroyed
: its credibility by its randomness.
: For complete rankings by Inside Jersey, see the link:
: http://www.nj.com/inside-jersey/index.ssf/cover_stories/best_hi
: Top 50 schools by Inside Jersey (without magnet schools)
: Ranking County School
: 1 Camden Haddonfield Memorial H.S.
: 2 Mercer Princeton H.S.
: 3 Hudson Mcnair Academic H.S.
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i*******e
发帖数: 6275 | |
n*********e
发帖数: 25274 | |
w********c
发帖数: 2632 | 5 what's big ivy, HYP? there must be a boat load pf P going to P bah.
【在 n*********e 的大作中提到】
: 第一名的普林,今年没人进大藤吧?
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l******3
发帖数: 1478 | 6 借问一下：什么是Magnet schools?跪谢 |
q*****j
发帖数: 5 | 7 "Magnet school" here is a loose term for those schools which you cannot get
in by just living there. Usually, they have a selection process by testing.
For example, High Tech High School in Monmounth County and Bergen Academy in
Bergen County are two very good magnet schools. |
b**********r
发帖数: 408 | 8 简而言之就是要考进去的重点中学
【在 l******3 的大作中提到】
: 借问一下：什么是Magnet schools?跪谢
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l******3
发帖数: 1478 | 9 多谢赐教。中国人应该很热衷这个吧，所谓的实验中学或者尖子学校，咋没怎么听说啊
？ |
s*********e
发帖数: 4475 | 10 美国大学录取和国内不一样， 国内就看高考成绩，
美国很重视在中学成绩的名称，所以这种尖子学校非常不利吧。
【在 l******3 的大作中提到】
: 多谢赐教。中国人应该很热衷这个吧，所谓的实验中学或者尖子学校，咋没怎么听说啊
: ？
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s**g
发帖数: 3271 | 11 不是很同意
人家当然知道这些学校是好学生云集的地方
【在 s*********e 的大作中提到】
: 美国大学录取和国内不一样， 国内就看高考成绩，
: 美国很重视在中学成绩的名称，所以这种尖子学校非常不利吧。
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jd
发帖数: 138 | 12 这种敢公开发表的排名尽整些虚地。
其实咱老中就认一个指标，每年毕业生上藤的比例。谁要有这种排名才真有用。
destroyed
【在 q*****j 的大作中提到】
: The rankings by Inside Jersey seems much more sensible to me since it is
: primarily based on the student achievement. NJ Monthly completely destroyed
: its credibility by its randomness.
: For complete rankings by Inside Jersey, see the link:
: http://www.nj.com/inside-jersey/index.ssf/cover_stories/best_hi
: Top 50 schools by Inside Jersey (without magnet schools)
: Ranking County School
: 1 Camden Haddonfield Memorial H.S.
: 2 Mercer Princeton H.S.
: 3 Hudson Mcnair Academic H.S.
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s*********e
发帖数: 4475 | 13 我反复指出， 能上藤的孩子， 跟学校好坏已经没什么关系了。
【在 jd 的大作中提到】
: 这种敢公开发表的排名尽整些虚地。
: 其实咱老中就认一个指标，每年毕业生上藤的比例。谁要有这种排名才真有用。
:
: destroyed
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H********k
发帖数: 3950 | 14 this is the closest you get
http://www.forbes.com/2010/04/29/best-prep-schools-2010-opinion
【在 jd 的大作中提到】
: 这种敢公开发表的排名尽整些虚地。
: 其实咱老中就认一个指标，每年毕业生上藤的比例。谁要有这种排名才真有用。
:
: destroyed
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jd
发帖数: 138 | 15 嗯，就是这样的。
公立学校办校目的不同，不能明目张胆搞prep, 所以没有类似排名，不然肯定被政客骂
死。但其实华人看重的不就这一条嘛。
【在 H********k 的大作中提到】
: this is the closest you get
: http://www.forbes.com/2010/04/29/best-prep-schools-2010-opinion
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b**j
发帖数: 20742 | 16 有总结为什么这个ranking变化这么大吗？为什么princeton, montgomery, plainsboro
n都跌的这么惨。其他学校变化不大(compared to 10 to 60)
好像也不光是class size issue like someone mentioned earlier (in millburn's
case)
另外提到的2个因素，一个毕业率算法我没看明白是什么法律规定，还有个计算机普及
率？这玩意影响那么大？
【在 jd 的大作中提到】
: 嗯，就是这样的。
: 公立学校办校目的不同，不能明目张胆搞prep, 所以没有类似排名，不然肯定被政客骂
: 死。但其实华人看重的不就这一条嘛。
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x******1
发帖数: 406 | 17 Each school may have the different policy. Usually B in 尖子学校 will be
equal to A or more in regular school.
【在 s*********e 的大作中提到】
: 美国大学录取和国内不一样， 国内就看高考成绩，
: 美国很重视在中学成绩的名称，所以这种尖子学校非常不利吧。
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q*****j
发帖数: 5 | 18 The following comments by a reader on NJMonthly.com are very articulated.
"Methodology and validity of ranking results
For any high school ranking to be credible, the relative rankings that the
methodology produces should make intuitive sense and be consistent with
various real world measures of student academic success after graduating
from high school. For example, while both are excellent schools, how can one
justify Millburn having a lower ranking than Kinnelon? In every category of
academic and test performance scoring, Millburn has significantly higher
scores (for example, Millburn’s average combined SAT scores are almost 200
points higher!). What good is a hypothetical ranking of high schools if the
resulting ranking shows little or no correlation with (or even negative
correlation with) the real world academic successes of the students
graduating from those schools. For example, with superior across the board
test results, I would be willing to wager that Millburn will have a higher %
of its students being accepted to the top 100 most selective colleges and
universities than many of the other schools that are ranked higher than it
in this NJ Monthly ranking. The real question is "How well a school is
educating its students?"--regardless of the student-faculty ratio or other
resources. Should a school be penalized because of a low faculty to student
ratio even though it manages to still do a better job teaching its students
even with less resources (especially when the academic results are evidenced
by a range of standardized test scores)? I would ask a panel of college
admissions officers what they think of the NJ Monthly rankings. My guess is
that based on the same raw data, they would come up with a very different
ranking. Incidentally, the year-to-year volatility of ranking changes in the
NJ Monthly list is a red flag pointing to potential faults in study design.
Specifically, I would check to see if the ranking is overly sensitive to
small changes in any of the explanatory input variables. For example, if a
half of one percent change in a school’s graduation rate has more impact on
the final ranking than a 50-point change in the school’s average combined
SAT score, I would question the relative weighting of the graduation
variable and its calibration in the ranking formula. I would also highly
recommend that NJ Monthly engage an experienced statistician to assess the
rigor of the ranking methodology.
Posted by: Ridgewood resident, Ridgewood | Aug 23, 2012 04:58:21 AM |
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plainsboro
【在 b**j 的大作中提到】
: 有总结为什么这个ranking变化这么大吗？为什么princeton, montgomery, plainsboro
: n都跌的这么惨。其他学校变化不大(compared to 10 to 60)
: 好像也不光是class size issue like someone mentioned earlier (in millburn's
: case)
: 另外提到的2个因素，一个毕业率算法我没看明白是什么法律规定，还有个计算机普及
: 率？这玩意影响那么大？
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m****s
发帖数: 8992 | 19 hai "study design" ne?
so funny i forgot to laugh. |
w********c
发帖数: 2632 | 20 Previously njmonthly uses its own graduation rate score, which gives a
higher weight to four-year college attendance. Now there is a federal
mandate to use a standard graduation rate calculation across the country,
which ignores this difference. At this point, I think the ranking is better
off if just sorted by SAT.
plainsboro
【在 b**j 的大作中提到】
: 有总结为什么这个ranking变化这么大吗？为什么princeton, montgomery, plainsboro
: n都跌的这么惨。其他学校变化不大(compared to 10 to 60)
: 好像也不光是class size issue like someone mentioned earlier (in millburn's
: case)
: 另外提到的2个因素，一个毕业率算法我没看明白是什么法律规定，还有个计算机普及
: 率？这玩意影响那么大？
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G*****u
发帖数: 1222 | 21 这个排名真是笑话啊
new providence sat均分才1737 都派上了第一
princeton反而挤到50多
还有几个好学校排名变化大到夸张 |
m****s
发帖数: 8992 | 22 suffice to say, federal is now black.
haha OMG!
better
【在 w********c 的大作中提到】
: Previously njmonthly uses its own graduation rate score, which gives a
: higher weight to four-year college attendance. Now there is a federal
: mandate to use a standard graduation rate calculation across the country,
: which ignores this difference. At this point, I think the ranking is better
: off if just sorted by SAT.
:
: plainsboro
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