q***q
发帖数: 3356 | 1 先是neck(Lace HG1000)，然后是middle(Lace HG1500)，之后是neck和middle
parallel，再之后是neck和middle serial，最后是bridge (Lace Alumitone
humbucker)。录音的时候吉他进了一个clean preamp所以没有任何amp simulation。
我自己的一点体会：
1. Lace Holy Grail是一款很不错的strat pickup set。音色里中音比较多所以听起来
比较甜美。Lace的pickup大部分都会显得sterile，不过HG没有这个问题。
2. neck/middle/parallel都可以做clean音色的选择。如果嫌中音太多可以加一些
chorus或者reverb。这个parallel延音里面有轻微的phasing。不是什么样的parallel
都可以有这个感觉的。
3. serial的中音太多了。大概只适合于失真音色。
4. Alumitone是典型的sterile音色，EMG和其他的陶瓷pickup都是这路。clean音色里
没有subtle的成分，我只会用作失真音色。 |
A******1
发帖数: 786 | 2 Nice!!
Bump before listen to it! |
A******1
发帖数: 786 | 3 Interesting, very different from what I expect from a strat. Maybe because
it's through pre-amp only? I am used to the strat through a fender type amp
with some reverb.
The tone is a bit thick, like you said, a lot mid range, but not a lot high
range ringing tone. Is it because the tone setting on the tone knob or the
character of the pickup? Also no hum. A noiseless pickup? |
k*******f
发帖数: 438 | 4 Lace PUs are "noiseless" due to the design |
A******1
发帖数: 786 | |
f****g
发帖数: 379 | 6 Bump the demo.
strictly speaking lace pus r not noiseless. I ever butchered a lace gold pu
and saw how they did it. There is no noise cancelling coil in it. instead
they use a wrap around magnetic core thus it shields the coil against hum
and EMI.
Don't have any idea about the holy grail though. It looks totally different
from the regular lace sensor line. more like a fender pu to me.
To get the typical strat sound one DOES need the speaker to work with. A
nice speaker has a frequency bump at 2k-3k range, which signifies the spark
we hear from a strat. Plus, a slightly distorted speaker smooths out the
grits from prior stages.
Without going thru a speaker the tone is still a strat. But definitely not
the one we hear on most records. It would be more to the acoustic side and
less bright. And yes, u can still get a clue how it sounds amplified. |
A******1
发帖数: 786 | 7 Nice explanation!!
Really learn something today.
I will post some samples later today. So we can compare the Lace HG to the
normal strat pickup. (Actually I have no idea what pickups are on the strat,
it just came with the strat I picked up from ebay) |
q***q
发帖数: 3356 | 8 你说的对，如果用fender amp，所谓的Tweed声，那种bell的感觉会更强。我觉得在
high mid频段上可能有个bump。加reverb也会增加高频的部分。
Lace喜欢做noiseless pickups。除了Alumitone这种比较特别的设计以外，我觉得他们
大多的pickup，像什么gold或者red/blue/sliver之类的，都是用了双线圈的设计来抵
消噪声。一个直接的结果就是音色会比较sterile。不过仔细的看，HG上的六个磁柱不
是一样高的，而是中间的两个高于两边的四个。这样对DG两根弦pick up出来的音量会
增大一点和剩下的四弦平衡（指板不是平的所以DG离pickup远一点）。这一点区别使得
它的扫弦的音色中音更足，减少了那种sterile的感觉。
当然其他很多pickup里也有磁柱高低不同的设计，比如fender的很多款。
另外HG在我试过的Lace里算底噪比较高的。好像比gold还要高一点。alumnitone最低。
amp
high
【在 A******1 的大作中提到】
: Interesting, very different from what I expect from a strat. Maybe because
: it's through pre-amp only? I am used to the strat through a fender type amp
: with some reverb.
: The tone is a bit thick, like you said, a lot mid range, but not a lot high
: range ringing tone. Is it because the tone setting on the tone knob or the
: character of the pickup? Also no hum. A noiseless pickup?
|
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q***q
发帖数: 3356 | 9 这样。。。我一直以为Lace用了上下两个线圈的设计。
同意2-3K bump的解释。
pu
different
spark
【在 f****g 的大作中提到】
: Bump the demo.
: strictly speaking lace pus r not noiseless. I ever butchered a lace gold pu
: and saw how they did it. There is no noise cancelling coil in it. instead
: they use a wrap around magnetic core thus it shields the coil against hum
: and EMI.
: Don't have any idea about the holy grail though. It looks totally different
: from the regular lace sensor line. more like a fender pu to me.
: To get the typical strat sound one DOES need the speaker to work with. A
: nice speaker has a frequency bump at 2k-3k range, which signifies the spark
: we hear from a strat. Plus, a slightly distorted speaker smooths out the
|
A******1
发帖数: 786 | 10 I know many people don't like noiseless SC pickup. Personal exp, used to
have a fender deluxe strat, the tone is OK, but I always feels there is
something missing. Then later l learn that the pickups on deluxe are
noiseless. It does miss some top range tones. |
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k*******f
发帖数: 438 | 11 Tweed应该不会bell，我最爱neck single coil配blackface |
q***q
发帖数: 3356 | 12 顶你这个录音！
strat,
【在 A******1 的大作中提到】
: Nice explanation!!
: Really learn something today.
: I will post some samples later today. So we can compare the Lace HG to the
: normal strat pickup. (Actually I have no idea what pickups are on the strat,
: it just came with the strat I picked up from ebay)
|
q***q
发帖数: 3356 | 13 hmmm，你可能是对的。我脑子想的实际上是对fender twin reverb的印象。我的
Digitech RP14D上的fender simulation好像也是twin的音色，不是tweed的音色。
【在 k*******f 的大作中提到】
: Tweed应该不会bell，我最爱neck single coil配blackface
|
A******1
发帖数: 786 | |
x****n
发帖数: 2297 | 15 我有 Holy Grail 呀, 下次拿给你研究.
pu
different
spark
【在 f****g 的大作中提到】
: Bump the demo.
: strictly speaking lace pus r not noiseless. I ever butchered a lace gold pu
: and saw how they did it. There is no noise cancelling coil in it. instead
: they use a wrap around magnetic core thus it shields the coil against hum
: and EMI.
: Don't have any idea about the holy grail though. It looks totally different
: from the regular lace sensor line. more like a fender pu to me.
: To get the typical strat sound one DOES need the speaker to work with. A
: nice speaker has a frequency bump at 2k-3k range, which signifies the spark
: we hear from a strat. Plus, a slightly distorted speaker smooths out the
|
k*******f
发帖数: 438 | 16 i have to stay away from this thread, gas going on here :) |
q***q
发帖数: 3356 | 17 现在我的观点就是命苦不要怪政府。noiseless的优点很明显。干音可能不是那么
subtle，但是在实际应用里amp和效果器能改变的很多。
【在 A******1 的大作中提到】
: I know many people don't like noiseless SC pickup. Personal exp, used to
: have a fender deluxe strat, the tone is OK, but I always feels there is
: something missing. Then later l learn that the pickups on deluxe are
: noiseless. It does miss some top range tones.
|
f****g
发帖数: 379 | 18 nice. i gonna cut its guts out.
【在 x****n 的大作中提到】
: 我有 Holy Grail 呀, 下次拿给你研究.
:
: pu
: different
: spark
|
A******1
发帖数: 786 | 19 I am wondering where are you. What took you so long to chime in this thread?
:)
【在 x****n 的大作中提到】
: 我有 Holy Grail 呀, 下次拿给你研究.
:
: pu
: different
: spark
|
A******1
发帖数: 786 | 20 There are other solutions, such as back plate noise cancel circuit. But much
more expensive as I know. For me, I only play clean and light overdrive and
mostly on 2nd position, so no problem for me.
【在 q***q 的大作中提到】
: 现在我的观点就是命苦不要怪政府。noiseless的优点很明显。干音可能不是那么
: subtle，但是在实际应用里amp和效果器能改变的很多。
|
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q***q
发帖数: 3356 | 21 FYI 对我来说HG最配的amp就是Marshall。
much
and
【在 A******1 的大作中提到】
: There are other solutions, such as back plate noise cancel circuit. But much
: more expensive as I know. For me, I only play clean and light overdrive and
: mostly on 2nd position, so no problem for me.
|
A******1
发帖数: 786 | |
f****g
发帖数: 379 | 23 my fav noiseless pu for a vintage strat tone is dimarzio's area series.
area 61 67 58
just $50-60 when deal comes. worth a try if u got cash.
noiseless does give u peace of mind playing anything. |
A******1
发帖数: 786 | 24 OK, just some tone samples, 上班上的头晕眼花，也没啥感觉，随便拨弄两下
第一段是有effect的，主要就是amp cab加点reverb和delay,前面是position 4, 后面
是position 2
第二个就是完全没有效果的track |
p***c
发帖数: 5202 | 25 我怎么仿佛听到有杂音，特别是你没弹的时候，是preamp的问题？ |
A******1
发帖数: 786 | 26 把电脑关了就没了，不过也就没法录了... :( |
A******1
发帖数: 786 | |
x****n
发帖数: 2297 | 28 那先预缴$300精神损失费.
【在 f****g 的大作中提到】
: nice. i gonna cut its guts out.
|
x****n
发帖数: 2297 | 29 你又想我了~
最近忙
thread?
【在 A******1 的大作中提到】
: I am wondering where are you. What took you so long to chime in this thread?
: :)
|
x****n
发帖数: 2297 | 30 我买了一套DiMarzio Paul Gilbert Injector '67 Pickup Set, 中间的pickup 就是
Area 67．
等我装好了找你玩。
【在 f****g 的大作中提到】
: my fav noiseless pu for a vintage strat tone is dimarzio's area series.
: area 61 67 58
: just $50-60 when deal comes. worth a try if u got cash.
: noiseless does give u peace of mind playing anything.
|
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A******1
发帖数: 786 | 31 忙 means doing good, bso...
【在 x****n 的大作中提到】
: 你又想我了~
: 最近忙
:
: thread?
|
p***c
发帖数: 5202 | 32 年纪大了带助听器，没法不好使
【在 A******1 的大作中提到】
: 泡老耳朵真好使！！
|
x****n
发帖数: 2297 | 33 我觉得如果屏蔽做的好的话,用不用noiseless都无所谓。 认真做屏蔽的琴即使用一般
single coil 噪音都和humbucker一样小。
Fender即使是高档琴里的原装屏蔽都是一个joke。
【在 q***q 的大作中提到】
: 现在我的观点就是命苦不要怪政府。noiseless的优点很明显。干音可能不是那么
: subtle，但是在实际应用里amp和效果器能改变的很多。
|
A******1
发帖数: 786 | |
x****n
发帖数: 2297 | 35 是的, frnkgg 好象是用这个。
我自己用的是heavy duty 锡纸, 但是因为锡纸没法焊,所以接口处要用两面都导电
copper tape 粘上。
【在 A******1 的大作中提到】
: 好像有种漆，刷在内壁，可以起到屏蔽作用？
|
k*******f
发帖数: 438 | 36 Guys, you cannot talk about fender tone without a fender amp!!! |
x****n
发帖数: 2297 | 37 一直想有一个用 6L6 的箱子。
【在 k*******f 的大作中提到】
: Guys, you cannot talk about fender tone without a fender amp!!!
|
A******1
发帖数: 786 | 38 这个比上次那个driving blues还有味道，而且效果好了不少！！ |
k*******f
发帖数: 438 | 39 我的箱子们全都是6L6的。EL84不是我的菜啊。 |
k*******f
发帖数: 438 | 40 谢谢谢谢。受到大家激励，换了PRRI，不过还是DR-05录音，am strat neck lace gold。
【在 A******1 的大作中提到】
: 这个比上次那个driving blues还有味道，而且效果好了不少！！
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A******1
发帖数: 786 | 41 It's really nice!
后来发现sam ash没有卖MBYCU的，amazon上有。不过amazon上的blues you can use有
kindle版的，犹豫到底买哪个? |
k*******f
发帖数: 438 | 42 教材我绝对不推荐kindle版的，翻页找东西郁闷死。 |
g**o
发帖数: 3033 | 43 冲着CD也买真书啊。
【在 A******1 的大作中提到】
: It's really nice!
: 后来发现sam ash没有卖MBYCU的，amazon上有。不过amazon上的blues you can use有
: kindle版的，犹豫到底买哪个?
|
g**o
发帖数: 3033 | 44 声音和弹奏都很赞啊。
【在 k*******f 的大作中提到】
: Guys, you cannot talk about fender tone without a fender amp!!!
|
q***q
发帖数: 3356 | 45 你这个的fender声挺典型，和lace还是很不一样的，感觉频段上比较tight，不像lace
，铺的比较开。
我的Digitech里面的12AX7要换了，现在overdrive的声音很差，就不录Marshall
simulation了。
【在 A******1 的大作中提到】
: OK, just some tone samples, 上班上的头晕眼花，也没啥感觉，随便拨弄两下
: 第一段是有effect的，主要就是amp cab加点reverb和delay,前面是position 4, 后面
: 是position 2
: 第二个就是完全没有效果的track
|
q***q
发帖数: 3356 | 46 +1!
【在 g**o 的大作中提到】
: 声音和弹奏都很赞啊。
|
a*t
发帖数: 2596 | 47 都很好听啊。。。。。
555 我的琴都接了两年灰了。。。
parallel
【在 q***q 的大作中提到】
: +1!
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A******1
发帖数: 786 | 48 Come on, art, time to play some blues!! ;)
In the end, I bought the kindle version "Bluses you can use", I have prime
so I think anyone here with prime can borrow the book? However, unlike the
troy books, the book does not include back tracks? And there is a lot
theories in that book which I can only skip for now... |
a*t
发帖数: 2596 | 49 嗯嗯，主要现在被俩娃绊着，我尽快。lol
这书我最早看到的时候还是在北京买的一本影印的呢，后来我买过原版的，
我记得有张CD的，但不记得有没有back track了。不过肯定是skip了好多。
【在 A******1 的大作中提到】
: Come on, art, time to play some blues!! ;)
: In the end, I bought the kindle version "Bluses you can use", I have prime
: so I think anyone here with prime can borrow the book? However, unlike the
: troy books, the book does not include back tracks? And there is a lot
: theories in that book which I can only skip for now...
|
f****g
发帖数: 379 | 50 Hey, that's great playing man. why not BEN in a separate thread.
DRRI is a nice amp.
【在 k*******f 的大作中提到】
: Guys, you cannot talk about fender tone without a fender amp!!!
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A******1
发帖数: 786 | 51 Same for FL, I guess.
【在 a*t 的大作中提到】
: 嗯嗯，主要现在被俩娃绊着，我尽快。lol
: 这书我最早看到的时候还是在北京买的一本影印的呢，后来我买过原版的，
: 我记得有张CD的，但不记得有没有back track了。不过肯定是skip了好多。
|
k*******f
发帖数: 438 | 52 heh, thanks! need a little bit of polishing before BEN.
mine is PRRI, DRRI sounds a little too bright to me.
【在 f****g 的大作中提到】
: Hey, that's great playing man. why not BEN in a separate thread.
: DRRI is a nice amp.
|
A******1
发帖数: 786 | 53 PRRI, Princeton Reverb Reissue?
DRRI, Double Reverb Reissue? |
k*******f
发帖数: 438 | 54 yes
【在 A******1 的大作中提到】
: PRRI, Princeton Reverb Reissue?
: DRRI, Double Reverb Reissue?
|
f****g
发帖数: 379 | 55 deluxe reverb reissue
【在 A******1 的大作中提到】
: PRRI, Princeton Reverb Reissue?
: DRRI, Double Reverb Reissue?
|
f****g
发帖数: 379 | 56 my bads. they r both very classical amps.
【在 k*******f 的大作中提到】
: heh, thanks! need a little bit of polishing before BEN.
: mine is PRRI, DRRI sounds a little too bright to me.
|
A******1
发帖数: 786 | 57 There is a Fender Princeton amplifiers '66 reverb edition in axe fx amp list
. I want to try it this evening to see how close it is. |
k*******f
发帖数: 438 | 58 oh, yeh, didn't see that. it's deluxe not double, heh.
my shopping list still has super reverb, vibroverb, and 57 champ - although
i have no idea what i'll be using a super reverb for...
【在 f****g 的大作中提到】
: deluxe reverb reissue
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k*******f
发帖数: 438 | 59 im also interested to know... looking for a headphone solution at home. so
far nothing to me compares to a real amp, although i have never considered
spending more than $500 on that solution. so.. mind to share a clip?
list
【在 A******1 的大作中提到】
: There is a Fender Princeton amplifiers '66 reverb edition in axe fx amp list
: . I want to try it this evening to see how close it is.
|
A******1
发帖数: 786 | 60 no problem. But my playing is not as good as yours, haha. So just bear with
me.
I found super reverb and vibroverb also in the list, will see if I can come
up with a clip on that too.
At home, I use KrK rokit monitors. The sound in the head phone is very
different from what's in the monitor!! |
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k*******f
发帖数: 438 | 61 yeh. the air movement driven by a real speaker is hard to simulate. i will
never forget the sound when plugged in a 410 bassman for the first time |
A******1
发帖数: 786 | 62 The krk monitor is only 5 or 6 inches, so they can barely move any air. I
guess it's more related to the resonance between the speaker and the guitar
body. |
A******1
发帖数: 786 | |
k*******f
发帖数: 438 | 64 相当不错啊，分享一下signal chain？ |
x****n
发帖数: 2297 | 65 喜欢SR 的声音.
【在 A******1 的大作中提到】
: 弄好了
: PR
: DR
: SR
|
A******1
发帖数: 786 | 66 都是fender的箱子，感觉差别很细微，好像PR比较亮一点，DR比较暗一点，PR和SR的声
音更结实一点，更有冲击力。
PR是USB直录，吉他-〉axe fxII->电脑,一个带效果，另一个不带效果，后面两个用不
带效果的track re-amp一下，换了个amp ，其他都一样。
都是amp+cab+delay+rev，吉他用了position1，neck pickup only |
A******1
发帖数: 786 | 67 你说的没错，kindle的书是很坑爹，那个track只能在ipad上放，声音小的不行，谱子
也看不太清楚。
不过amazon貌似可以退书 |
k*******f
发帖数: 438 | 68 那祝你推书成功。不错不错，原来3k的simulator就可以达到这个效果了。 |
f****g
发帖数: 379 | 69 不错啊。感觉SR要肥一些,mellow一些。
不过我估计仔细调也可以把其他弄到类似的效果。 |
A******1
发帖数: 786 | 70 我是一点没调，直接换个amp就录了，直接用的默认设置。
里面amp太多，很多我一次都没用过。我就碰到个自己喜欢的就玩一段时间，玩腻了，
就换个amp,cab组合玩.
哈，没有3k, axe fx II 2.2k，kpa便宜的有1.4k |
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f****g
发帖数: 379 | 71 是啊，合成的就是这样。大多数效果根本就用不到。
2000块还是很贵的。呵呵。好像定了还要等一段时间拿到？ |
k*******f
发帖数: 438 | 72 我记得我以前有一个vox tonelab le。我简直是花了无数个晚上在那调各种旋钮，最后
放弃了。后来回归简单，买了个tech21的blonde去模拟fender amp，效果出奇的烂，才
终于扛住住在apt的压力买了第一个tube amp，从此一发不可收拾。。。差点就被apt赶
出来，那段日子真是住的我提心吊胆的。 |
A******1
发帖数: 786 | 73 普通的合成是有很多用不到，一方面原因是用不到，还有一方面原因是效果太差，让人
没有用的兴趣。
目前做到这个级别的模拟的只有这两家，其他的都差一大截，虽然大家也都期待L6能做
出类似级别效果，500刀价位的产品，但是L6最近推出的HD500X基本没有任何改变
2000刀是很贵的，我第一次看到axe fx ultra的时候也觉得这价格简直疯了，因为那时
候的心理价位就是500块左右。2K可以买到不错的amp了，但是对我们这种住城市里狭小
apt的人来说，不太实用，这个比较适合。
现在不用等了，直接可以买，不过这两天貌似卖断货了。结果就是ebay上现货价格猛涨 |
k*******f
发帖数: 438 | 74 是，apt music player真是买得起amp用不起amp。不过我现在也差不多了，好不容易搬
了家结果娃儿一出来我就只能pignose聊以自慰。。。bassman只能做镇宅之用了。话说
这玩意我觉得开到7，8的样子有震开房子的潜力。 |
g**o
发帖数: 3033 | 75 clean音色的话那还是得上好琴+tube amp，象你昨天奔的那个，这个怎么simulate都
差点味道。
vox tonelab系列我也有，有时候需要带个耳机练习我就用它，起码有个tube preamp。
【在 k*******f 的大作中提到】
: 我记得我以前有一个vox tonelab le。我简直是花了无数个晚上在那调各种旋钮，最后
: 放弃了。后来回归简单，买了个tech21的blonde去模拟fender amp，效果出奇的烂，才
: 终于扛住住在apt的压力买了第一个tube amp，从此一发不可收拾。。。差点就被apt赶
: 出来，那段日子真是住的我提心吊胆的。
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g**o
发帖数: 3033 | 76 凑热闹奔一奔，没功夫合backing track，干弹的两小段，
pickup分别是tele的mid pos, bridge pos,
albert king某歌的一段solo，外录一个vox amp，
led zepplin一歌的riff，LD指示不要扰邻，要戴耳机，只好tonelab内录， |
A******1
发帖数: 786 | 77 Actually, back to POD age, it's already hard to tell a amp modeler from a
tube amp if purely based on a clip. Sound is very very subjective. Many
blind tests have proved that.
What pods are lacking is the dynamics and correct feedback to players. You
could only get a good sound at one point. It's not a problem any more. You
pick lightly or harder, the sound is completely different, roll back volume,
the sound will change just like a tube amp. While Axe Fx is more a
simulation using modeling, Kemper is more based on sound parameters, clone
the sound and response from a real tube amp at a certain setting.
Neither axe or KPA uses tube, it's purely digital... |
k*******f
发帖数: 438 | 78 赞。第一个一股老头子味道扑面而来
【在 g**o 的大作中提到】
: 凑热闹奔一奔，没功夫合backing track，干弹的两小段，
: pickup分别是tele的mid pos, bridge pos,
: albert king某歌的一段solo，外录一个vox amp，
: led zepplin一歌的riff，LD指示不要扰邻，要戴耳机，只好tonelab内录，
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A******1
发帖数: 786 | 79 This is a nice thread, haha :) |
f****g
发帖数: 379 | 80 Great BEN gooo.
I owned tonelab too and I think its not bad.
Hey I still have a tech21 blonde. hehe. I think it sounds pretty good if u
feed it into a tube amp. don't expect it to sound like a tube amp into
monitor or computer, though it's what they advertised.
There is always a lengthy debate about digital vs analog vs tube. Overall,
high end digital simulation these days can sound very close to original
models in recordings, which ironically by itself is digitally processed. In
person they still distinct at least to some critical ears. especially when u
talk about the 'feel' or interaction of playing, many pros still prefer
tube.
However, there r whole bunches of stuffs analog or tube can never do. That's
where the digitals shine.
So instead of debating these two AGAINST each other, they can work well WITH
each other. for example, I've designed a hybrid system by which I can
insert a multi-effect in front, after, or bypass an analog pedal chain.
There are always ideas if u will. granny and sons are not enemy. |
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k*******f
发帖数: 438 | 81 yeh, digital + tube 我前一阵最经常用的箱子就是Fender SCXD。貌似是数字模拟部
分的preamp然后power amp整个是tube的。效果非常好。 |
q***q
发帖数: 3356 | 82 你的第一个clip分了两段吗？好像是一个position从头到尾。。。？
我影响里的tele neck比这个要柔很多，bridge又会硬很多。
【在 g**o 的大作中提到】
: 凑热闹奔一奔，没功夫合backing track，干弹的两小段，
: pickup分别是tele的mid pos, bridge pos,
: albert king某歌的一段solo，外录一个vox amp，
: led zepplin一歌的riff，LD指示不要扰邻，要戴耳机，只好tonelab内录，
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q***q
发帖数: 3356 | 83 这三个音色都不错，我觉得不仔细听都差不多 :)。
Fender的干音占的频带比较窄，应该是挺mix friendly的。
【在 A******1 的大作中提到】
: 弄好了
: PR
: DR
: SR
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A******1
发帖数: 786 | 84 haha, I like this granny, son metaphor.
For me, I felt some kind of being lucky that axe fx is around as an option.
Otherwise, either go the old tube way or the "digital" way which felt
compromised somehow.
After, it's just tools to achieve the ideal "sound" we want. And since it's
just a hobby for most of the people here, as long as you are happy with what
you are using, it's ok. :)
Some interesting points people may not know, when axe fx first gen coming
out, although it sounds good, people found it's not like tube. So at that
time, it is advertised as "use it to get your own sound" and "it's not that
important to be as close as a tube amp". The truth is at that time the
algorithms and compute power in the axe is not capable to simulate the tube
sound.
Then the second gen comes and now they have this new "MIMIC" which basically
mimic the real amp point to point and now they advertised it as "as close
as the real thing". After all, it works for me, and tube works for you,
everyone is happy!! :) |
A******1
发帖数: 786 | 85 Will post some more later. I tried some recommended tone setting for Fender
Amp last night and it sounds even better than these.
If you can send me a dry track without any effect (no amp, no cab, no effect
), I can reamp it so you can compare it to your result.
【在 q***q 的大作中提到】
: 这三个音色都不错，我觉得不仔细听都差不多 :)。
: Fender的干音占的频带比较窄，应该是挺mix friendly的。
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g**o
发帖数: 3033 | 86 你录音声音都太小，调大点，不然你量化过程中音质损失更多。
Fender
effect
【在 A******1 的大作中提到】
: Will post some more later. I tried some recommended tone setting for Fender
: Amp last night and it sounds even better than these.
: If you can send me a dry track without any effect (no amp, no cab, no effect
: ), I can reamp it so you can compare it to your result.
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g**o
发帖数: 3033 | 87 第一个clip就是mid position, neck+bridge从头到尾，所以你的观察很准，呵呵。
我以前一直是忠实的neck position，这一年用mid, bridge比较多些。特别是一些
节奏部分喜欢用bridge，虽然声音薄，但是cut through比较好。
【在 q***q 的大作中提到】
: 你的第一个clip分了两段吗？好像是一个position从头到尾。。。？
: 我影响里的tele neck比这个要柔很多，bridge又会硬很多。
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q***q
发帖数: 3356 | 88 tele的bridge一般是要加fuzz吧，太尖了。:)
【在 g**o 的大作中提到】
: 第一个clip就是mid position, neck+bridge从头到尾，所以你的观察很准，呵呵。
: 我以前一直是忠实的neck position，这一年用mid, bridge比较多些。特别是一些
: 节奏部分喜欢用bridge，虽然声音薄，但是cut through比较好。
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f****g
发帖数: 379 | 89 agree. its important to find what suits u. for example, 'bedroom level'
volume is a circumstance tube amps hate. many people keep different setups
for various venues.
.
s
what
that
【在 A******1 的大作中提到】
: haha, I like this granny, son metaphor.
: For me, I felt some kind of being lucky that axe fx is around as an option.
: Otherwise, either go the old tube way or the "digital" way which felt
: compromised somehow.
: After, it's just tools to achieve the ideal "sound" we want. And since it's
: just a hobby for most of the people here, as long as you are happy with what
: you are using, it's ok. :)
: Some interesting points people may not know, when axe fx first gen coming
: out, although it sounds good, people found it's not like tube. So at that
: time, it is advertised as "use it to get your own sound" and "it's not that
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g**o
发帖数: 3033 | 90 it's not audition, your source volume needs to be lounder, check the wave
form
in audition, ideally the peak level stays around -6dB, otherwise you are not
making good use of the full dynamic range, e.g.,16bits file, you probably
are
using 13-14bits out of the 16. (1 bit is 6dB range)
Boost the signal digitally is not giving you better quality file. Your loss
is in the first ADC stage, be it your soundcard or ADC in your pedal. Your
pedal
is running at least 24bits resolution in the DSP part, maybe even floating
point, now you trash the output to 13bits:)
【在 A******1 的大作中提到】
: Will post some more later. I tried some recommended tone setting for Fender
: Amp last night and it sounds even better than these.
: If you can send me a dry track without any effect (no amp, no cab, no effect
: ), I can reamp it so you can compare it to your result.
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A******1
发帖数: 786 | 91 Yes. And in the end, I have nothing to blame except my playing skill... :) |
A******1
发帖数: 786 | 92 haha, this is truely a great thread.
Let me check when I am home.
I think axe fx II use 48bit floating. Did you hear any dynamics loss between
PR, DR, SR samples?
Only PR is direct recording. The other two are just re-amped. If no dynamics
or details are lost, then I think the DAC is OK?
Yes, I probably didn't use the full spectrum. I should add some heavy rhythm
...Whenver I press the record button, my brain go blank...
not
loss
【在 g**o 的大作中提到】
: it's not audition, your source volume needs to be lounder, check the wave
: form
: in audition, ideally the peak level stays around -6dB, otherwise you are not
: making good use of the full dynamic range, e.g.,16bits file, you probably
: are
: using 13-14bits out of the 16. (1 bit is 6dB range)
: Boost the signal digitally is not giving you better quality file. Your loss
: is in the first ADC stage, be it your soundcard or ADC in your pedal. Your
: pedal
: is running at least 24bits resolution in the DSP part, maybe even floating
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q***q
发帖数: 3356 | 93 你用的是不是AxeFx上的SPDIF直出？我的Digitech的SPDIF直出（SPDIF进interface）
电平就很低。不知道为什么。
吉他进AxeFX时有没有一个前放的音量钮？如果有的话可以调高这个，但是不能让它的
AD溢出/clip。
between
I
rhythm
【在 A******1 的大作中提到】
: haha, this is truely a great thread.
: Let me check when I am home.
: I think axe fx II use 48bit floating. Did you hear any dynamics loss between
: PR, DR, SR samples?
: Only PR is direct recording. The other two are just re-amped. If no dynamics
: or details are lost, then I think the DAC is OK?
: Yes, I probably didn't use the full spectrum. I should add some heavy rhythm
: ...Whenver I press the record button, my brain go blank...
:
: not
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A******1
发帖数: 786 | 94 Axe Fx does have a SPDIF output, but it's not as good as the USB direct
output which provide 2 stero tracks one with effect and one without. I can
easily adjust the output level in axe fx. But it sounds ok on my computer,
so I just leave it like that. |
A******1
发帖数: 786 | 95 Axe Fx has a input trimmer, I already set it to 99%. I remeber it is
desgined in a way that it's almost impossible to clip the input but I forgot
how it is done. |
g**o
发帖数: 3033 | 96 No,I can't hear anything wrong. It's just a good practice to make use of
the full dynamic range when recording. When Sony, Phlips introduced CD,
it's recommended to maintain peak level around -12dB, nowadays, people
push this peak level very close to 0dB(clipping point), -9 to -6dB should
be a resonale range.
I'm also nervous when recording, I'm using Sonar, it has a feature to do
loop recording. You can select a clip and keep recording over the same clip,
Sonar keeps all takes and you decide which one to use later. Audition doesn'
t
have such feature, you have to keep hitting the record button, or you end up
with a very long file, hehe.
between
dynamics
rhythm
【在 A******1 的大作中提到】
: haha, this is truely a great thread.
: Let me check when I am home.
: I think axe fx II use 48bit floating. Did you hear any dynamics loss between
: PR, DR, SR samples?
: Only PR is direct recording. The other two are just re-amped. If no dynamics
: or details are lost, then I think the DAC is OK?
: Yes, I probably didn't use the full spectrum. I should add some heavy rhythm
: ...Whenver I press the record button, my brain go blank...
:
: not
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A******1
发帖数: 786 | 97 But audition is free, haha, courtesy by adobe
It's ok for such a tone sample. I am thinking about getting reaper, probably
later this year when it is upgraded to 5.0. Reaper has a lot features
including the one you mentioned.
And yes, should not waste those extra db, next time I will strum harder..;) |
A******1
发帖数: 786 | 98 Qiang's
track reamped
中间不知道为什么clip了，应该不是level的问题，可能是re-amp的问题
另外，因为qiang的track已经带了pre amp，没法再加fender 的amp，所以这里只有cab
和后面的一些rev, dly效果
one more sample
用的推荐的SR的设定，vol 6, bass 2, mid 3, tre 6, bright on
Cab用的是 2x10 super tweed，我觉得这个比 4x10 super verb那个cab要感觉声音更
紧一点
to Goo
我试着提高db，结果驱动出错，audition crash了，没法子，下次再弄大声点吧
happy weekend everyone! |
s*****e
发帖数: 5471 | 99 我就来占个100楼，妇女挚友们请继续，嘿嘿。
【在 A******1 的大作中提到】
: Qiang's
: track reamped
: 中间不知道为什么clip了，应该不是level的问题，可能是re-amp的问题
: 另外，因为qiang的track已经带了pre amp，没法再加fender 的amp，所以这里只有cab
: 和后面的一些rev, dly效果
: one more sample
: 用的推荐的SR的设定，vol 6, bass 2, mid 3, tre 6, bright on
: Cab用的是 2x10 super tweed，我觉得这个比 4x10 super verb那个cab要感觉声音更
: 紧一点
: to Goo
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g**o
发帖数: 3033 | 100 提高音量也出错挺奇怪的，其实这次你音量还行，前面有几次小很多。
cab
【在 A******1 的大作中提到】
: Qiang's
: track reamped
: 中间不知道为什么clip了，应该不是level的问题，可能是re-amp的问题
: 另外，因为qiang的track已经带了pre amp，没法再加fender 的amp，所以这里只有cab
: 和后面的一些rev, dly效果
: one more sample
: 用的推荐的SR的设定，vol 6, bass 2, mid 3, tre 6, bright on
: Cab用的是 2x10 super tweed，我觉得这个比 4x10 super verb那个cab要感觉声音更
: 紧一点
: to Goo
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