S*******l
发帖数: 4637 | 1 旺财从公共猎区进入私人区，owner告诉旺财是私人区，他应该离开，旺财道歉，转身
离开。
Owner的几个伙伴们开着一部ATV追上旺财，并伸手翻他背上的猎手标志，要记下他的号。
后面的事情是你说我说，共同点victim group承认用了racial slurs。不同点是谁开了
第一枪，旺财说owner开了第一枪，他才还击。
Victim side说唯一一个受伤没死的在旺财开枪以后试图自卫才开了一枪回击。
On the weekend of the shootings, Vang went out deer hunting with two friends
and their two sons in northwest Wisconsin, a region where deer hunting is
particularly popular, east of Birchwood, Wisconsin around the town of Meteor
. Meteor extends over a large sparsely populated area. The land in the area
is a mix of public and private. It is believed that Vang and his friends
began their day on public land, but he later went onto a private 400 acre (1
.6 km2) tract of land.[5]
On Sunday, November 21, a hunting party of about 15 people were in a cabin
on this private land. Terry Willers, one of the two co-owners of the land,
left the cabin and saw Vang sitting in a deer stand. Willers used a handheld
radio to ask the people still in the cabin whether or not anyone should be
in the stand. Upon receiving a response in the negative, he approached Vang
and told him to leave the property. Vang then apologized and started moving
south towards a trail through a forested area of the property.[6] According
to Terry Willers' testimony, "As Bob got back on the radio and asked me
where he was at and I said, uh, he's heading south down on the food plot
right now. I radioed in to the cabin that I had a tree-rat and I had chased
him off." At that point five of the hunters from the cabin who had heard the
radio message arrived at the tree stand. Lauren Hesebeck, a surviving
victim, stated "Bob had said I'm going to go talk to him to find out who he
is, why he's there, and make sure he doesn't, you know, knows that he's on
private property and that he's not welcomed there. Denny had said to me this
ought to be interesting, let's go and see what's going on. We got in the
back of it standing up (ATV), hanging on the rear bar."[7][8][9] After
following the directions given by Willers, they proceeded to approach Vang
further down the trail. Crotteau then suggested making a note of his hunting
license number to make a report to the DNR and, according to Hesebeck's
testimony, Crotteau "flipped over the hunting tag on Vang's back to get his
license number".[10]
The events after the confrontation are disputed. A violent altercation broke
out and four of the eight victims were shot in the back, and three of these
four were hit by multiple rounds. Vang is believed to have fired about 20
rounds from a Saiga rifle chambered in 7.62×39mm, which was recovered by
police. One of the wounded hunters died the next day, bringing the toll to
six dead and two wounded. Vang raised his rifle in one smooth, continuous
sweeping motion as he circled right, kneeled, and aimed at Willers, the
group’s only armed person. Vang later said, “If I don’t shoot him, he
would shoot me.”[5]
Vang’s first shot missed Willers as he ran and dove for cover, but Willers
landed atop his rifle and couldn’t turn over before Vang’s second shot hit
his lower left neck, paralyzing him. Vang instantly turned toward the men
on their machines and shot Roidt, who hit the ground dead, as his ATV, still
in gear, idled forward. Vang shot Drew next as the Crotteaus fled, and
fired three shots at close range while chasing Hesebeck around the UTV. His
third shot flattened Hesebeck, who fell stunned and still.[5]
Assuming Hesebeck was dead, Vang raced after Bob Crotteau, whose blaze-
orange coat made him easy to see. As he fled, Crotteau called the cabin on
his walkie-talkie to tell Laski to bring guns. Vang’s first shot missed but
the second hit Crotteau in the chest, instantly killing him. Willers,
meanwhile, had regained feeling in his fingers, and called the cabin for
help.
By that time Vang was chasing Joey Crotteau, who fled down a trail. Vang
sprinted to cut the corner to the trail to close the gap, and shot him in
the lower back at about 65 yards. Vang reloaded, approached closer as
Crotteau struggled forward, and shot him again. Vang then closed in and shot
him twice more from behind, putting the final shot into his head.
Vang, after reversing his blaze-orange jacket to its camo side, hid near a
curve in the trail when he heard the ATV approaching. Thinking Jessica and
Laski were likely armed and looking for him, Vang waited until they passed.
When he fired, the bullet struck Jessica in the left buttock, blew through
her hip, and struck Laski, shattering his lower spine and abdomen. Vang ran
over, shot Laski through the back and heart to finish him, and then stepped
behind Jessica as she crawled screaming and pleading, and fired a shot
through her neck into her brain., Vang returned to retrieve his scope and
leave, thinking he had killed every witness. As he neared the site, he and
Hesebeck came face to face. Vang said, “You're not dead yet?” and raised
his rifle to shoot. He fired as Hesebeck grabbed Willers’ rifle with his
right hand and dove for cover. Shots zipped past over Hesebeck’s head.[8]
Though he could point but not aim the rifle because of his wounded left arm,
Hesebeck tried to shoot back. But when he pulled the trigger, the safety
was still engaged. He dragged the unfamiliar rifle alongside his body to
feel for the safety, and pushed it in. He pointed it again and fired once.
He then heard a slight metallic sound from Vang’s rifle, and realized Vang
was out of bullets.[5]
Vang fled the scene on foot and discarded his remaining ammunition, later
stating that he did not want to shoot anyone else. Vang eventually came
across another hunter riding an ATV (who had no affiliation with the victims
), and this hunter offered to give him a ride, eventually taking him to Vang
's cabin. Vang was arrested when he returned to his cabin five hours after
the shooting. An officer waiting for Vang placed him into custody and
transported him to the Sawyer County Jail. His bail was set at $2.5 million.
[5]
Victims
The victims were part of a group of about 15 people who made an annual
opening-weekend trip to the Crotteau-Willers property. Among those killed
were father and son Robert and Joey Crotteau and Willers' daughter Jessica
Willers.[5]
Those who were killed:
Robert Crotteau, 42
Joey Crotteau, 20
Alan Laski, 43
Mark Roidt, 28
Jessica Willers, 27
Denny Drew, 55
Those who were wounded:
Lauren Hesebeck, 48
Terry Willers, 47
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There have been conflicting reports about what may have led to the shootings
. According to subsequent oral statements by Vang, one of the local hunters,
Terry Willers, took the first shot at him from about 100 feet (30 m) away,
and therefore the shootings were in self-defense. No shell casing was ever
recovered from Willers' gun even though during the trial Hesebeck admitted
to firing a single shot later during the incident when Vang, noticing that
Hesebeck was still alive, fired at him again. Hesebeck testified no shot was
fired before Vang started shooting. Additional forensic analysis of Willers
' gun was not performed by the local law enforcement. The statements of both
Vang and Hesebeck state that Vang removed the scope from his rifle before
firing his first shot. Vang stated that race was a factor, alleging that
during the verbal dispute, some of the local hunters yelled out racial slurs
at him such as "chink" and "gook." On the stand, Hesebeck admitted that
Robert Crotteau had called Vang a "Hmong a--hole." Hesebeck also admitted
that he told law enforcement that Robert Crotteau had problems with
trespassers in the past, specifically citing Hmong hunters, who often travel
to Wisconsin from Minnesota to hunt. The term "Mud Duck" is often used in
Western Wisconsin to refer to Minnesota residents, similar to "Cheesehead"
being used to describe Wisconsin residents[citation needed]. Willers used
this term to describe Chai Vang when he radioed back to the cabin. Though
the term does not necessarily have a racial connotation, the defense argued
that it did, due to the fact that Willers and the others did not know at the
time that Vang was from Minnesota[citation needed].
The criminal complaint states that Vang shot four of the victims in the back
, and Vang himself admits he shot one victim in the back. He also shot many
of the victims multiple times. The prosecution made use of these facts in
arguing against the claim of self-defense[citation needed]. | g******t
发帖数: 18158 | 2 当地有很多亚裔，但是陪审团全是白人，美帝的司法就是个笑话
号。
friends
Meteor
area
【在 S*******l 的大作中提到】
: 旺财从公共猎区进入私人区，owner告诉旺财是私人区，他应该离开，旺财道歉，转身
: 离开。
: Owner的几个伙伴们开着一部ATV追上旺财，并伸手翻他背上的猎手标志，要记下他的号。
: 后面的事情是你说我说，共同点victim group承认用了racial slurs。不同点是谁开了
: 第一枪，旺财说owner开了第一枪，他才还击。
: Victim side说唯一一个受伤没死的在旺财开枪以后试图自卫才开了一枪回击。
: On the weekend of the shootings, Vang went out deer hunting with two friends
: and their two sons in northwest Wisconsin, a region where deer hunting is
: particularly popular, east of Birchwood, Wisconsin around the town of Meteor
: . Meteor extends over a large sparsely populated area. The land in the area
| a*****s
发帖数: 1 | 3 旺财最大的失误是留了活口，不然就没有he-said-she-said咯。 | B*********e
发帖数: 1177 | | S*******l
发帖数: 4637 | 5 就一条枪
【在 B*********e 的大作中提到】
: 这么多人怎么打不过一个旺财？？ 对方没枪？？
| S*******l
发帖数: 4637 | 6 Owner带了枪，也是第一个被打死的。其他做鸟兽散，被追杀。后来来的俩被埋伏的旺
仔放过去背后击杀。 | c****h
发帖数: 590 | 7 其实很多这些东南亚的比华人更恨白皮。就等一个trigger.
我在网球场上多次看见越南人的爆发。有枪那是更不得了
【在 S*******l 的大作中提到】
: 就一条枪
| V**3
发帖数: 12756 | 8 没用， 柴忘解释不了为啥四个人背后中枪，而且还有三个是背后中了多枪
柴忘案子中，柴忘固然非常牛逼（大家惊叹的也仅是这一点），但是他实际上是在法律
上完全站不住脚的
【在 a*****s 的大作中提到】
: 旺财最大的失误是留了活口，不然就没有he-said-she-said咯。
| l**********y
发帖数: 330 | 9 也太牛了！手法精准。说明这些白人固然猖狂，遇上真狠的，也是弱鸡。 | S*******l
发帖数: 4637 | 10 没说他没罪，他的选择是为了活命。
对面都是猎人，不打死就回去端枪回来围猎他或喊人来猎杀他。
这是他为毛杀了第一波儿把背心翻到迷彩面埋伏，把喊来支援的俩也打死了。
【在 V**3 的大作中提到】
: 没用， 柴忘解释不了为啥四个人背后中枪，而且还有三个是背后中了多枪
: 柴忘案子中，柴忘固然非常牛逼（大家惊叹的也仅是这一点），但是他实际上是在法律
: 上完全站不住脚的
| V**3
发帖数: 12756 | 11 不打死就回去端枪回来围猎他或喊人来猎杀他， 这个仅仅是你的推测
如果有别的人端着枪向他开枪了，他的case就不一样
可惜对方现场只有一把枪
【在 S*******l 的大作中提到】
: 没说他没罪，他的选择是为了活命。
: 对面都是猎人，不打死就回去端枪回来围猎他或喊人来猎杀他。
: 这是他为毛杀了第一波儿把背心翻到迷彩面埋伏，把喊来支援的俩也打死了。
| S*******l
发帖数: 4637 | 12 You never know.
Assume the worst in a life and death situation.
用你的逻辑，Kenosha小英雄为毛要开枪杀人呢？他把枪交出去不就完了么？他陈述开
枪杀第一个人的原因是怕对方抢枪反杀他。
【在 V**3 的大作中提到】
: 不打死就回去端枪回来围猎他或喊人来猎杀他， 这个仅仅是你的推测
: 如果有别的人端着枪向他开枪了，他的case就不一样
: 可惜对方现场只有一把枪
| m*******a
发帖数: 1 | 13 一支SKS步枪20发子弹，一挑15，打死六人打伤两人
这水平超过99.9%天天玩枪的白人吧？ | V**3
发帖数: 12756 | 14 傻逼， 看完视频再来扯淡
第一个人在追他，已经把他逼到墙角了，是行动正在进行时， kyle面临immediate
danger
要扯淡找鳖精人扯去，你们肯定特别有共同语言，一起披麻戴孝去
【在 S*******l 的大作中提到】
: You never know.
: Assume the worst in a life and death situation.
: 用你的逻辑，Kenosha小英雄为毛要开枪杀人呢？他把枪交出去不就完了么？他陈述开
: 枪杀第一个人的原因是怕对方抢枪反杀他。
| V**3
发帖数: 12756 | 15 这完全是丛林兰博水平
在 mygrandpa (我爷爷) 的大作中提到: 】 | Y****2
发帖数: 1 | | S*******l
发帖数: 4637 | 17 视频看过，逐帧看过，不过是以你的矛戳你的盾。
kyle可以 assume the worst, 旺财就不行了。
【在 V**3 的大作中提到】
: 傻逼， 看完视频再来扯淡
: 第一个人在追他，已经把他逼到墙角了，是行动正在进行时， kyle面临immediate
: danger
: 要扯淡找鳖精人扯去，你们肯定特别有共同语言，一起披麻戴孝去
| G******g
发帖数: 2275 | 18 老子很久没骂人了，差点又要骂了
【在 V**3 的大作中提到】
: 没用， 柴忘解释不了为啥四个人背后中枪，而且还有三个是背后中了多枪
: 柴忘案子中，柴忘固然非常牛逼（大家惊叹的也仅是这一点），但是他实际上是在法律
: 上完全站不住脚的
| S*******l
发帖数: 4637 | 19 退伍兵，曾经是sharp shooter
【在 Y****2 的大作中提到】
: 旺财真是牛逼。
| C******y
发帖数: 3249 | 20 Though he could point but not aim the rifle because of his wounded left arm,
Hesebeck tried to shoot back. But when he pulled the trigger, the safety
was still engaged. He dragged the unfamiliar rifle alongside his body to
feel for the safety, and pushed it in. He pointed it again and fired once.
He then heard a slight metallic sound from Vang’s rifle, and realized Vang
was out of bullets.[5]
Vang fled the scene on foot and discarded his remaining ammunition, later
stating that he did not want to shoot anyone else.
这一段编的太假，正好白皮开始打第一枪的时候，旺财的子弹就打完了逃跑了？
从逻辑上看，一开始去追一个持枪的人，肯定是必须带着枪威胁的，威胁了旺财之后，
在肾上腺素高涨怒火燃烧的情况下，开枪把旺财杀了是最大的可能，杀了又怎样？扔到
沟里去，自杀，被流弹误击，都是可以的。
为什么没有击中？旺财有步兵反枪击的技术，看到白皮举枪打他，立即走蛇形路线逃跑
，同时举枪反击，百发百中，而白皮只打了一枪 | b***y
发帖数: 14281 | 21 废话，life and death的情况下，下一秒会发生什么事情很难说，assuming the worst
by the very definition就是“推测”，不然怎样，等人把你打成筛子了才有权自卫
？小英雄觉得自己生命受到威胁也是一样的推测，人家把他逼到角落只是要缴他的枪，
并没打算打死他。
你这是典型的双标犯。
【在 V**3 的大作中提到】
: 不打死就回去端枪回来围猎他或喊人来猎杀他， 这个仅仅是你的推测
: 如果有别的人端着枪向他开枪了，他的case就不一样
: 可惜对方现场只有一把枪
| c*******e
发帖数: 5818 | 22 “shot on the back ” 估计是检方的论据 | Y****2
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