t*****r
发帖数: 543 | 1 看这个7月份外交关系学会CFR组织的新冠溯源问题讨论会
https://www.cfr.org/event/origins-covid-19-implications-us-china-relations
这个CFR的老中fellow的一个transcript，满眼的you know，让人疯掉
GOLODRYGA: Well, Yanzhong, one narrative for the reason as to why we don’t
know the source of this pandemic and the virus is that the Chinese
government has been involved in a massive coverup and had not been
transparent, and that records and samples had been destroyed, and they had
not let researchers and investigators in early enough, suggesting that most
of the evidence is in China. Do you agree with that narrative, or is it
oversimplified?
HUANG: Yeah, I think that is a simplified version of what happened
surrounding the investigation of the origins of the outbreak. But if we look
at this—how, you know, this lab-escape theory being unfolded then
revitalized, it was very clear, right, that politics played a very critical
role. You know, from the very beginning I think it is fair to say, you know,
that nobody—you know, few people can resist the temptation not to link,
you know, the outbreak to the Wuhan Institute of Virology. So for, like,
people like Senator Cotton, in a way, and he was making the connection—you
know, and he also indicated that it was not intentional; it was just, like,
an accidental lab leak—you know, I think it was normal to make that
connection.
And it was also true at the time, you know, with that theory it was
marginalized and considered, you know, largely as a conspiracy theory. But
you know, it never disappeared in social media, like, in the United States
or China. Like, even some leading public health experts, you know, sort of
fell prey to their influence. You know, that, I think, might explain why,
you know, Dr. Zhang Longshai (ph), you know, a public face, you know, of
China’s crusade against COVID, you know, started to believe, you know, that
—when he said on February 28, 2020, said, you know, there’s some new
developments that—overseas, you know, that this outbreak was first detected
in Wuhan, doesn’t necessarily mean, right, Wuhan is the origin point of
the outbreak. Then you have the Chinese, you know, the wolf warrior diplomat
Zhao Lijian used that to refute the Wuhan virus and the lab leak theory.
And then furthermore, you have this, you know, thing increasingly entangled
with the politization of the origins of the pandemic. When you have U.S. top
diplomats increasingly link the virus to China, Wuhan in particular. And
then, you know, you have Zhao Lijian promoted the lab escape from, you know,
a U.S. military lab, you know? And then you have President Trump—former
President Trump double down after Zhao Lijian in a tweet came out indicating
the U.S. being the origin point of the outbreak. And he started to
routinely refer to the “Chinese virus,” or the “kung flu,” in his words.
You know, that essentially challenged the Chinese government’s narrative,
you know, on its successful pandemic response.
You know, so the stakes, they become even higher in April when Australia,
you know, started to call for international investigation, and then Trump
officially promoted the lab leak theory, right? So that blame game was
played out at a whole new level. You have—while China accepted the WHO
mission, but they also tried to influence the WHO investigation in ways that
won’t contradict this official narrative. You know, so, you know, I think
that you can see how, you know, that this has become so complicated and
controversial process, that larger investigation now succumb to the larger
politics, not science and peer review. | W***u
发帖数: 1 | | Y****1
发帖数: 1 | 3 That's just like, your opinion, man. | n******n
发帖数: 409 | | g*q
发帖数: 26623 | | m*******1
发帖数: 2 | 6 正好我昨天研究这个老中slides
slides写得比较糟糕，重点和逻辑都无法体现。
就想着去听一下作者现场的展现。
https://www.usenix.org/conference/osdi18/presentation/zuo
link里面有音频。听了一下，比看slides还累。
他语速还挺快。参照着slides，勉勉强强能听懂个8成。
如果没有slides，我估计我一成都听不懂。
有可能 Native English speaker能听懂他说啥。
这种能够在会议上发言，勇气和自信心爆棚。 | G******g
发帖数: 2275 | 7 英语讲得很烂，加上这种口头零碎确实让人无法忍受。
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【在 t*****r 的大作中提到】
: 看这个7月份外交关系学会CFR组织的新冠溯源问题讨论会
: https://www.cfr.org/event/origins-covid-19-implications-us-china-relations
: 这个CFR的老中fellow的一个transcript，满眼的you know，让人疯掉
: GOLODRYGA: Well, Yanzhong, one narrative for the reason as to why we don’t
: know the source of this pandemic and the virus is that the Chinese
: government has been involved in a massive coverup and had not been
: transparent, and that records and samples had been destroyed, and they had
: not let researchers and investigators in early enough, suggesting that most
: of the evidence is in China. Do you agree with that narrative, or is it
: oversimplified?
| t*****r
发帖数: 543 | 8 属实，被这you know频频干扰，都没法集中注意力听他讲的是啥东西
【在 G******g 的大作中提到】
: 英语讲得很烂，加上这种口头零碎确实让人无法忍受。
:
: t
: most
| S*******l
发帖数: 4637 | 9 鬼才能听得懂.发音那么烂还赶
【在 m*******1 的大作中提到】
: 正好我昨天研究这个老中slides
: slides写得比较糟糕，重点和逻辑都无法体现。
: 就想着去听一下作者现场的展现。
: https://www.usenix.org/conference/osdi18/presentation/zuo
: link里面有音频。听了一下，比看slides还累。
: 他语速还挺快。参照着slides，勉勉强强能听懂个8成。
: 如果没有slides，我估计我一成都听不懂。
: 有可能 Native English speaker能听懂他说啥。
: 这种能够在会议上发言，勇气和自信心爆棚。
| M*******z
发帖数: 1 | | g***n
发帖数: 14250 | 11 还有一个是 right? 担心别人没听懂的话，多罗嗦甚至重复一句比较好 | t*****r
发帖数: 543 | 12 好像朗朗讲英文也经常用这几个词
【在 g***n 的大作中提到】
: 还有一个是 right? 担心别人没听懂的话，多罗嗦甚至重复一句比较好
| t*****r
发帖数: 543 | 13 故意恶心老中呗
【在 M*******z 的大作中提到】
: 做笔录的人，为啥不把这些you know去掉
| e*******n
发帖数: 192 | 14 政客讲话经常
Look， ...... 然后边讲边比划
包括奥巴，拜登，布什和他弟，哭摸，很多建制派职业政客。看多了也觉得恶心。像同
一个演讲教练训练的学生。 | t*****r
发帖数: 543 | 15 睡舅：嘴巴舔一下食指，look，here is the deal
【在 e*******n 的大作中提到】
: 政客讲话经常
: Look， ...... 然后边讲边比划
: 包括奥巴，拜登，布什和他弟，哭摸，很多建制派职业政客。看多了也觉得恶心。像同
: 一个演讲教练训练的学生。
| V*******n
发帖数: 1 | 16 以后老钟因该每三句来个mother focker，两句来个man，每句都有shit才让人赏心悦目
。 | m******e
发帖数: 1 | 17 挑口音的经常都是心理先有对某一类有态度，然后才对这类人的发音、语言习惯反感，
认为干扰了听觉。但语言学实验表明，让中立的母语者来听，绝大部分口音和语言习惯
对听力并不构成实质性干扰。
那位发言者的hesitation marker确实多了一些，尤其转换成书面文字。但其实那些you
know发的很轻，如果只是听，就听力层面其实根本不会对理解造成障碍。
【在 t*****r 的大作中提到】
: 属实，被这you know频频干扰，都没法集中注意力听他讲的是啥东西
| m******e
发帖数: 1 | 18 比大部分那个年纪的美国华人讲的好。
【在 S*******l 的大作中提到】
: 鬼才能听得懂.发音那么烂还赶
| B**s
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