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话题: china话题: chinese话题: west话题: decline
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S**********p
发帖数: 331
n*****5
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傻逼五毛,西方正是因为可以自由唱衰西方才不会真正衰落。
廊庑国定于一尊,不能有反对唱衰声音,一条路走到黑 LOL

is

【在 S**********p 的大作中提到】
: https://www.economist.com/china/2021/04/03/china-is-betting-that-the-west-is
: -in-irreversible-decline

w******a
发帖数: 64
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请贴一下全文,谢谢
q******s
发帖数: 7469
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本来就是的。民主体制,一旦人口素质下降了,就一路下坡朝印度去了
F*****d
发帖数: 2848
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所以我鳖是铁了心要和西方干架?
g******t
发帖数: 18158
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西方得瑟了这几百年,靠的是工业革命造成一段时间内生产力对其他国家地区的碾压,
还有当时正好有“新大陆”等着他们去掠夺。他们的内部政治制度和他们的宗教一样,
跟他们能发达得瑟没有多大关系。工业革命造成的和其他地区生产力差别渐渐消失,也
没有其他“新大陆”可以“发现”了,最终要现原形

【在 q******s 的大作中提到】
: 本来就是的。民主体制,一旦人口素质下降了,就一路下坡朝印度去了
l**a
发帖数: 11
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这个句子很有意思
杂志看来是觉得西方在decline但reversible
w******a
发帖数: 64
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群众的素质本来都是低下的。
只不过精英制度限制了选民的范围。
普选葬送了民主制
你有空读一读本罗奔尼撒战争
就是现在中美关系的预演
结局早已注定

【在 q******s 的大作中提到】
: 本来就是的。民主体制,一旦人口素质下降了,就一路下坡朝印度去了
g******t
发帖数: 18158
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中国毕竟是千年尺度上的强国,过去几千年大多数时间是蓝星经济的中心,1840年以后
的百年耻辱是个大dip,现在只是要恢复历史正常状态而已
西方得瑟了三四百年,差不多了,胡无百年之运,他们的表现已经很优秀了,该歇会了

【在 F*****d 的大作中提到】
: 所以我鳖是铁了心要和西方干架?
p*******s
发帖数: 113
10
扯那么多干嘛,不就是你觉得应该轮到中国当世界第一了吗,
理由就是按照千年尺度的周期率推演,时间上 “应该” 轮到了

【在 g******t 的大作中提到】
:
: 中国毕竟是千年尺度上的强国,过去几千年大多数时间是蓝星经济的中心,1840年以后
: 的百年耻辱是个大dip,现在只是要恢复历史正常状态而已
: 西方得瑟了三四百年,差不多了,胡无百年之运,他们的表现已经很优秀了,该歇会了

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美中的差距不在武器 更主要的是人的差距所谓小将不过是一批廊坊五毛吧
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q****5
发帖数: 1660
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+1

【在 w******a 的大作中提到】
: 请贴一下全文,谢谢
S**********p
发帖数: 331
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Its gaze fixed on the prize of becoming rich and strong, China has spent the
past 40 years as a risk-averse bully. Quick to inflict pain on smaller
powers, it has been more cautious around any country capable of punching
back. Recently, however, China’s risk calculations have seemed to change.
First Yang Jiechi, the Communist Party’s foreign-policy chief, lectured
American diplomats at a bilateral meeting in Alaska, pointing out the
failings of American democracy. That earned him hero status back home. Then
China imposed sanctions on British, Canadian and European Union politicians,
diplomats, academics, lawyers and democracy campaigners. Those sweeping
curbs were in retaliation for narrower Western sanctions targeting officials
accused of repressing Muslims in the north-western region of Xinjiang.
China’s foreign ministry declares that horrors such as the Atlantic slave
trade, colonialism and the Holocaust, as well as the deaths of so many
Americans and Europeans from covid-19, should make Western governments
ashamed to question China’s record on human rights. Most recently Chinese
diplomats and propagandists have denounced as “lies and disinformation”
reports that coerced labour is used to pick or process cotton in Xinjiang.
They have praised fellow citizens for boycotting foreign brands that decline
to use cotton from that region. Still others have sought to prove their
zeal by hurling Maoist-era abuse. A Chinese consul-general tweeted that
Canada’s prime minister was “a running dog of the us”.
Such performance-nationalism is watched by Western diplomats in Beijing with
dismay. Envoys have been summoned for late-night scoldings by Chinese
officials, to be informed that this is not the China of 120 years ago when
foreign armies and gunboats forced the country’s last, tottering imperial
dynasty to open the country wider to outsiders. Some diplomats talk of
living through a turning-point in Chinese foreign policy. History buffs
debate whether the moment more closely resembles the rise of an angry,
revisionist Japan in the 1930s, or that of Germany when steely ambition led
it to war in 1914. A veteran diplomat bleakly suggests that China’s rulers
view the West as ill-disciplined, weak and venal, and are seeking to bring
it to heel, like a dog.
In Washington and other capitals it is not hard to hear voices suggesting
that China is making rash, clumsy mistakes. Surely China sees that it is
souring public opinion across the West, they murmur. There is puzzlement
about how China now views its recent draft accord with the European Union,
the Comprehensive Investment Agreement, which it had appeared so eager to
conclude. That pact’s ratification by the European Parliament is now on ice
, and possibly entombed in permafrost, as a result of China’s sanctions on
several Euro-legislators.
In reality Chinese leaders, if their own words and writings are any guide,
think that assertiveness is rational. First, they believe that China has
numbers on its side as a world order emerges in which developing countries
demand, and are accorded, more sway. At the un most member states reliably
support China, as an irreplaceable source of loans, infrastructure and
affordable technology, including surveillance kit for nervous autocracies.
Second, China is increasingly sure that America is in long-term,
irreversible decline, even if other Western countries are too arrogant and
racist to accept that “the East is rising, and the West is in decline”, as
Chinese leaders put it. China is now applying calculated doses of pain to
shock Westerners into realising that the old, American-led order is ending.
China’s rulers are majoritarians. Their hold on power involves convincing
most citizens that prosperity, security and national strength require iron-
fisted, one-party rule. They unblushingly put the interests of the many over
those of the few, whether those individuals are farmers evicted to build a
dam, ethnic minorities re-educated to become biddable workers, or dissenters
who must be silenced. China is a hard challenge for liberal democrats
precisely because its tyranny in the name of the majority is backed by lots
of Chinese, albeit at a terrible cost to outliers and minorities. Today,
Chinese ideas about global governance sound like a majoritarian world order.
Ruan Zongze, a scholar at the foreign ministry’s Xi Jinping Diplomatic
Research Centre, explained the official line in a press briefing. He denied
that China wanted to export its values. But he outlined a vision of
multilateralism-by-majority that—by according no special legitimacy to
liberal norms—would be a safe haven for Chinese autocracy. Mr Ruan scorned
governments that “use the pretext of democracy to form alliances”. He
called that “fake multilateralism”, adding that developing countries need
not endure finger-pointing from a West that does not speak for the world. As
engines of global growth, China and other emerging economies should have a
bigger say, he declared. “Those who represent future trends should be the
leading force.”
The majority of the tyrannies
As one European diplomat sees it, at least part of China’s establishment is
convinced that the liberal order established after 1945—built around
universal human rights, norms and rules that bind the strong and weak alike
—is an obstacle to China’s rise. Such revisionists are “convinced that
China will not achieve its goals if it plays by the rules”, he says.
Diplomats describe a China that is hubristic and paranoid. They say some
Chinese officials are convinced that the eu will soon drop its Xinjiang-
related sanctions, because Europe cannot recover from the pandemic without
Chinese growth. Other Chinese officials worry that their country is making
too many enemies, and tell diplomats as much. Alas, they are outnumbered by
those who blame China’s unpopularity on Western resentment of Chinese
success. China’s rulers are duly preparing for a protracted struggle. The
risks are clear, both for China and the West. ■

【在 w******a 的大作中提到】
: 请贴一下全文,谢谢
S**********p
发帖数: 331
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archive.is 这个网站可以绕过很多paywall

【在 w******a 的大作中提到】
: 请贴一下全文,谢谢
x******g
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经济学人乃反华刊物

is

【在 S**********p 的大作中提到】
: https://www.economist.com/china/2021/04/03/china-is-betting-that-the-west-is
: -in-irreversible-decline

S**********p
发帖数: 331
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不能因为敌人反对你就不看敌人的分析。

【在 x******g 的大作中提到】
: 经济学人乃反华刊物
:
: is

x******g
发帖数: 33885
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没说不看
肯定要看
看看这帮英国小丑怎样做秀

【在 S**********p 的大作中提到】
: 不能因为敌人反对你就不看敌人的分析。
b****d
发帖数: 333
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谢谢,好使

【在 S**********p 的大作中提到】
: archive.is 这个网站可以绕过很多paywall
p********1
发帖数: 2785
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Quick to inflict pain on smaller
powers, it has been more cautious around any country capable of punching
back.
越看越像美帝啊
s*x
发帖数: 8041
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要说唱衰,中国都崩溃好几十年了吧。

【在 n*****5 的大作中提到】
: 傻逼五毛,西方正是因为可以自由唱衰西方才不会真正衰落。
: 廊庑国定于一尊,不能有反对唱衰声音,一条路走到黑 LOL
:
: is

p********1
发帖数: 2785
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你的意思是,言论自由能从根本上解决社会政治问题?


: 傻逼五毛,西方正是因为可以自由唱衰西方才不会真正衰落。

: 廊庑国定于一尊,不能有反对唱衰声音,一条路走到黑 LOL

: is



【在 n*****5 的大作中提到】
: 傻逼五毛,西方正是因为可以自由唱衰西方才不会真正衰落。
: 廊庑国定于一尊,不能有反对唱衰声音,一条路走到黑 LOL
:
: is

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t****r
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傻了吧,西方不缺唱衰的人但是没有解决问题的人。为啥呢?因为不管做啥都会被唱衰
所以大家都选择去唱衰别人而不去担责任解决问题。

【在 n*****5 的大作中提到】
: 傻逼五毛,西方正是因为可以自由唱衰西方才不会真正衰落。
: 廊庑国定于一尊,不能有反对唱衰声音,一条路走到黑 LOL
:
: is

v*********u
发帖数: 10464
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中国都被自由唱衰几十年了吧
[在 neo2345 (五毛) 的大作中提到:]
:傻逼五毛,西方正是因为可以自由唱衰西方才不会真正衰落。
:廊庑国定于一尊,不能有反对唱衰声音,一条路走到黑 LOL
S*******l
发帖数: 4637
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原来订的。开车时候听audio版。今年就不续了。还有个英国妞来打电话问要不要renew。
今年下半年看中欧投资协议各国议会批不批就知道了。
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