d**e
发帖数: 1124 | 1 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8223779/Coronavirus-originated-
bungled-experiments-Wuhan-lab-bombshell-report-claims.html
'Patient zero' worked at the Wuhan lab, and spread the virus into the local
population after leaving work, sources who had been briefed on intelligence
told the outlet. | d**e
发帖数: 1124 | 2 Business Insider也报道了
https://www.businessinsider.com/theory-coronavirus-accidentally-leaked-
chinese-lab-2020-4
关键段：
1. Botao Xiao发表的一篇论文，讲武汉CDC实验室（P2，不是P4武汉病毒所），也在研
究horseshoe bats. 曾经多次发生泄漏事件
2. 中央台12月放的一段录像，显示研究人员在操作horseshoe bats, 但是没有足够的
PPE
Much of the theory about a lab leak is based on the proximity of those
research labs — the Wuhan CDC and the Institute of Virology — to the
Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market, the wet market previously thought to be the
outbreak's origin point. That's because a non-peer-reviewed paper, which
was retracted, cited the market's proximity to two labs.
The paper's author, Botao Xiao of the South China University of Technology,
previously worked in Wuhan. In the paper, he suggests that "the killer
coronavirus probably originated from a laboratory in Wuhan" and was tracked
out accidentally by an unsuspecting scientist.
A branch office of the Wuhan CDC is located about 600 meters — less than
half a mile — from the Huanan market via main roads (though it's not the
Chinese CDC's only site in Wuhan).
The Wuhan Institute of Virology, meanwhile, actively researches infectious
diseases — including coronaviruses — and did before the pandemic started.
But that facility is more than 14 kilometers, or 8 1/2 miles, and across a
river from the Huanan market.
Botao wrote that the Wuhan CDC "hosted animals in laboratories for research
purposes," including bats. Bats were the original hosts of SARS, which is
also a coronavirus. In the case of that outbreak and this new one, bats most
likely passed the virus to other animals via their poop or saliva, and the
unwitting intermediaries transmitted the virus to humans.
Botao described a CDC researcher who was known for collecting viruses and
had previously been forced to quarantine himself after the bats he studied
attacked and peed on him. That researcher — though not named in the paper
— is most likely Tian Junhua, who was profiled in a Chinese news report
about his effort to sample 10,000 bats in 2012 as part of a study on
hantaviruses. According to Tian's 2013 study, the events Botao referred to
occurred while Tian was in the field.
Still, Botao's paper claimed that dangerous pathogens had escaped from Wuhan
labs in the past, and concluded: "Safety level may need to be reinforced in
high risk biohazardous laboratories."
Botao told The Wall Street Journal on March 5, however, that he withdrew the
paper because "the speculation about the possible origins in the post was
based on published papers and media, and was not supported by direct proofs."
'Minimal protections against infection of lab workers'
In four instances, SARS has leaked from laboratories in Taiwan, Singapore,
and Beijing. But Business Insider was unable to find evidence that any such
laboratory accidents have occurred in Wuhan.
Matthew Pottinger, the US's deputy national security adviser, asked
intelligence agencies in January to look into the idea of a Wuhan lab leak,
The New York Times reported. But CIA officers didn't find any evidence.
Gen. Mark Milley, the chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, said on
Tuesday that evidence for the lab-leak idea was "inconclusive, although the
weight of evidence leans towards natural," Defense One reported.
Still, Richard Ebright, a microbiologist at Rutgers University, told
Business Insider that he thought Botao's paper was accurate.
"All statements of fact in the document can be verified," Ebright said in an
email.
Ebright previously told The Washington Post that he thought the virus "could
have occurred as a laboratory accident."
According to Ebright, a video from Chinese state media in December 2019
showed Wuhan CDC staff "collecting bat coronaviruses with inadequate PPE" —
personal protective equipment — "and unsafe operational practices (bare
skin on faces, bare skin on wrists, no goggles, no face shields)."
In the footage, however, Tian and his CDC colleagues wear protective suits,
goggles, gloves, and masks while handling bats and collecting samples in
caves across the Hubei province. In the video, Tian describes his work
studying viruses like SARS to "lay a firm foundation for making vaccines."
A greater horseshoe bat, a relative of the Rhinolophis sinicus bat species
from China that was the original host of the SARS virus. De Agostini/Getty
Ebright also suggested that coronaviruses were being studied at a Wuhan lab
with a biosafety level of 2, which he said provides "only minimal
protections against infection of lab workers" compared with the highest
level, BSL-4.
"Virus collection, culture, isolation, or animal infection at BSL-2 with a
virus having the transmission characteristics of the outbreak virus would
pose a high risk of accidental infection," Ebright said, adding that one BSL
-2 lab was part of the Wuhan CDC.
The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention allows research into the
new coronavirus to be performed at BSL-2 labs as long as the facilities also
provide respiratory protection and a designated area for workers to put on
and take off protective equipment. | s******g
发帖数: 536 | 3 the speculation about the possible origins in the post was
based on published papers and media, and was not supported by direct proofs. | m*********4
发帖数: 356 | 4 武汉CDC实验室就是华南海鲜市场200米的地方。如果是那里泄漏的，可以很好的解释为
什么首先在华南海鲜市场出现疫情爆发。
一个P2实验室也去研究蝙蝠冠状病毒？有没有资质？他们是如何控制风险的？
【在 d**e 的大作中提到】
: Business Insider也报道了
: https://www.businessinsider.com/theory-coronavirus-accidentally-leaked-
: chinese-lab-2020-4
: 关键段：
: 1. Botao Xiao发表的一篇论文，讲武汉CDC实验室（P2，不是P4武汉病毒所），也在研
: 究horseshoe bats. 曾经多次发生泄漏事件
: 2. 中央台12月放的一段录像，显示研究人员在操作horseshoe bats, 但是没有足够的
: PPE
: Much of the theory about a lab leak is based on the proximity of those
: research labs — the Wuhan CDC and the Institute of Virology — to the
| s******g
发帖数: 536 | 5 现在不是说华南海鲜市场不是起源地了吗？
你这都什么年间的老黄历了？
【在 m*********4 的大作中提到】
: 武汉CDC实验室就是华南海鲜市场200米的地方。如果是那里泄漏的，可以很好的解释为
: 什么首先在华南海鲜市场出现疫情爆发。
: 一个P2实验室也去研究蝙蝠冠状病毒？有没有资质？他们是如何控制风险的？
| m*********4
发帖数: 356 | 6 没说是起源地。首先出现疫情爆发是不争的事实。
【在 s******g 的大作中提到】
: 现在不是说华南海鲜市场不是起源地了吗？
: 你这都什么年间的老黄历了？
| d**e
发帖数: 1124 | 7 武汉的2个实验室：
wuhan virology institute，P4实验室，距离海鲜市场10几卖，隔江
Wuhan Center for Disease Control, wuhan CDC, 是P2实验室，在海鲜市场旁边几百
米，一个block的距离
这个是P2:
The Chinese mapping app Baidu showing the proximity of the Wuhan CDC (the
red dot) to the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market (green dot).
这个是P4:
The Wuhan Institute of Virology is more than 8 miles from the Huanan market
and requires crossing the Yangtze River. | i*****9
发帖数: 3157 | 8 泄漏的是A型，高泄漏到海鲜市场之后在一堆动物宿主中间进化出了高致病的B型。
A型就是大流感，大家都不重视。11月就已经传得到处都是了。
【在 m*********4 的大作中提到】
: 没说是起源地。首先出现疫情爆发是不争的事实。
| w***x
发帖数: 1763 | 9 又吵剩饭了
没证据造谣如果算数的话
去年美国P4因为安全问题被关门，正好可以用来阴谋论病毒起源
通过造谣甩锅掩饰自己的无能
真是可怜虫 | T**M
发帖数: 658 | 10 不是有人跟蝙蝠亲密接触，可以查查那些人有没有染毒 | | | s******g
发帖数: 536 | 11 现在追踪的是病毒的来源，疫情爆发有什么关系？现在纽约还疫情爆发呢。
【在 m*********4 的大作中提到】
: 没说是起源地。首先出现疫情爆发是不争的事实。
| o***8
发帖数: 46 | 12 跟英国ICU的比哪个保护得更好？
: Business Insider也报道了
: https://www.businessinsider.com/theory-coronavirus-accidentally-leaked-
: chinese-lab-2020-4
: 关键段：
: 1. Botao Xiao发表的一篇论文，讲武汉CDC实验室（P2，不是P4武汉病毒所），
也在研
: 究horseshoe bats. 曾经多次发生泄漏事件
: 2. 中央台12月放的一段录像，显示研究人员在操作horseshoe bats, 但是没有
足够的
: PPE
: Much of the theory about a lab leak is based on the proximity of those
: research labs — the Wuhan CDC and the Institute of Virology — to the
【在 d**e 的大作中提到】
: 武汉的2个实验室：
: wuhan virology institute，P4实验室，距离海鲜市场10几卖，隔江
: Wuhan Center for Disease Control, wuhan CDC, 是P2实验室，在海鲜市场旁边几百
: 米，一个block的距离
: 这个是P2:
: The Chinese mapping app Baidu showing the proximity of the Wuhan CDC (the
: red dot) to the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market (green dot).
: 这个是P4:
: The Wuhan Institute of Virology is more than 8 miles from the Huanan market
: and requires crossing the Yangtze River.
| s*********7
发帖数: 1 | 13 天天泄漏，然后五毒所工作人员距离最近的没事，怎么病毒不吃窝边草是吗？ | n******g
发帖数: 536 | | h*********n
发帖数: 11319 | 15 wikipedia去年就禁止引用daily mail了。没想到黄川粉还把这种小报当个宝
local
intelligence
【在 d**e 的大作中提到】
: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8223779/Coronavirus-originated-
: bungled-experiments-Wuhan-lab-bombshell-report-claims.html
: 'Patient zero' worked at the Wuhan lab, and spread the virus into the local
: population after leaving work, sources who had been briefed on intelligence
: told the outlet.
| d**e
发帖数: 1124 | 16 属实，叔平时也看不惯daily mail
不过business insider UK的料更多，那个可比daily mail可信度高 | d**e
发帖数: 1124 | 17 P4没事，P2泄露
很合理啊
P2本来不该研究horseshoe bats，非要硬上，泄露了
【在 s*********7 的大作中提到】
: 天天泄漏，然后五毒所工作人员距离最近的没事，怎么病毒不吃窝边草是吗？
| V*******n
发帖数: 1 | 18 黄疮专看垃圾小报，据统计，daily mail的受众平均58岁，是英国小报里受众最老智商
最低的出版物。 | m***a
发帖数: 2262 | 19
local
intelligence
Daily Mail 是中下层大妈看的
The Daily Mail is a British daily tabloid formatted newspaper founded in
1896. Other editions of the daily paper include its sister paper The Mail on
Sunday, as well as the Scottish and Irish Editions. The Daily Mail’s main
target audience is lower-middle-class British women. It was the first
newspaper in the UK to write articles targeted at women. As of April 2019,
the Daily Mail had a circulation of almost 1.2 million newspapers, the
second highest in the United Kingdom.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/380710/daily-mail-the-mail-on-sunday-
monthly-reach-by-demographic-uk/
【在 d**e 的大作中提到】
: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8223779/Coronavirus-originated-
: bungled-experiments-Wuhan-lab-bombshell-report-claims.html
: 'Patient zero' worked at the Wuhan lab, and spread the virus into the local
: population after leaving work, sources who had been briefed on intelligence
: told the outlet.
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