b********n
发帖数: 1 | 1 45年的关东军和37年的关东军两个完全不同的概念，前者是预备役水平，后者超过日本
本土国防军。 | C*******A
发帖数: 1980 | 2 鸟用
39年诺门坎事件，被苏军打得怀疑人生
23师团长小松原战败自杀，其参谋长被伤病砍死 | b********n
发帖数: 1 | 3 主要是苏军用了集群坦克和飞机掩护，是德国闪电战的原型，日本不行正常。后来日本
也改进了，有坦克师了，45年不行是因为精锐都没了。
【在 C*******A 的大作中提到】
: 鸟用
: 39年诺门坎事件，被苏军打得怀疑人生
: 23师团长小松原战败自杀，其参谋长被伤病砍死
| C*******A
发帖数: 1980 | 4 诺门坎日军坦克第三师团投入战斗
被苏军坦克击败，日军坦克皮薄，重机枪都打的穿
苏军根本不打，直接撞击
【在 b********n 的大作中提到】
: 主要是苏军用了集群坦克和飞机掩护，是德国闪电战的原型，日本不行正常。后来日本
: 也改进了，有坦克师了，45年不行是因为精锐都没了。
| b********n
发帖数: 1 | 5 苏军当时是bt7，速度快，但可以被反坦克步枪打透。比日本强不了多少，但bt7速度快
，可以到100公里，所以大迂回成功了，相当于白起到轻骑切断赵括到粮道。
【在 C*******A 的大作中提到】
: 诺门坎日军坦克第三师团投入战斗
: 被苏军坦克击败，日军坦克皮薄，重机枪都打的穿
: 苏军根本不打，直接撞击
| b********n
发帖数: 1 | | b********n
发帖数: 1 | 7 The Battle of Khalkhin Gol, sometimes spelled Halhin Gol or Khalkin Gol
after the Halha River passing through the battlefield and known in Japan as
the Nomonhan Incident (after a nearby village on the border between Mongolia
and Manchuria), was the decisive battle of the undeclared Soviet–Japanese
Border War. After a series of skirmishes in May and June 1939, the incident
escalated into a series of engagements where both sides deployed corps-sized
forces, though the Soviets were again far more numerous and more heavily
armed than the Japanese. There were three principal engagements:
The initial Japanese attack in July (July 2-25), intended to wipe out
the materially and numerically superior Soviets. The Soviets suffered very
heavy losses compared to the Japanese and minor gains were made by the
Japanese, but stubborn resistance and an armored counter-blow stalled the
Japanese attack. It drifted into a stalemate with minor skirmishing over the
next few weeks.
The failed Soviet probing attacks in early August (August 7/8 and August
20) which were thrown back with no gains and considerable casualties. In
the intermediate period between these three phases, the Soviets built up
their forces, while the Japanese were forbidden from doing so for fear of
escalating the conflict.
The successful Soviet counteroffensive in late August at Nomonhan with a
fully built-up force that encircled the remains of the 23rd division and by
August 31 had destroyed all Japanese forces on the Soviet side of the river.
In this engagement the Soviets and Mongolians defeated the Japanese, and
expelled them from Mongolia. | b********n
发帖数: 1 | 8 朱可夫的新军是机械化坦克军群，而日本已经是疲惫之师了。 | b********n
发帖数: 1 | 9 日本当时的主力在中国中部打长沙，和苏联打是给德国看的。 | b********n
发帖数: 1 | 10 苏联
Strength
61,860–73,961[nb 1]
498–550 tanks
385–450 armored cars[4][5]
900+ aircraft (participated)
Peak strength: 580[6]
500[7]–634[2] artillery pieces
4,000 trucks[8]
1,921 horses and camels (Mongol only)[9]
日本
30,000[10][11]–38,000[12]
73 tanks[5]
64 tankettes
400+ aircraft (participated)
Peak strength: 200[6]
~300 artillery pieces[2]
1,000 trucks[13]
2,708 horses[14] | | | b********n
发帖数: 1 | 11 人员差2倍，坦克汽车差10倍。
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: 苏联
: Strength
: 61,860–73,961[nb 1]
: 498–550 tanks
: 385–450 armored cars[4][5]
: 900+ aircraft (participated)
: Peak strength: 580[6]
: 500[7]–634[2] artillery pieces
: 4,000 trucks[8]
: 1,921 horses and camels (Mongol only)[9]
| C*******A
发帖数: 1980 | 12 所以日本是傻逼，给德国看死日本鬼子
【在 b********n 的大作中提到】
: 日本当时的主力在中国中部打长沙，和苏联打是给德国看的。
| b********n
发帖数: 1 | 13 July: Japanese assault
The Japanese plan was for a two-pronged assault. The first attack would be
made by three regiments plus part of a fourth: the 71st and the 72nd
Infantry Regiment (23rd Division), a battalion of the 64th Infantry Regiment
and the 26th Infantry Regiment under Colonel Shinichiro Sumi (7th Infantry
Division). This force would advance across the Khalkin Gol, destroy Soviet
forces on Baintsagan Hill on the west bank, then make a left turn and
advance south to the Kawatama Bridge. The second prong of the attack would
be the task of the IJA 1st Tank Corps (1st TC) (Yasuoka Detachment),
consisting of the 3rd and 4th Tank Regiments, plus a part of the 64th
Infantry Regiment, a battalion from the 28th Infantry Regiment, detached
from the 7th Infantry, 24th Engineer Regiment, and a battalion from the 13th
Field-Artillery Regiment, all under the overall command of Lieutenant
General Yasuoka Masaomi.[30] This force would attack Soviet troops on the
east bank of the Khalkhyn Gol and north of the Holsten River. The two
Japanese thrusts were to join together on the wings.
Lt. Gen. Yasuoka Masaomi, IJA, Commanding Officer, 1st Tank Corps[30]
3rd Tank Regiment[31]
Type 89 I-Go medium tanks – 26
Type 97 Chi-Ha medium tanks – 4
Type 94 tankettes – 7
Type 97 Te-Ke tankettes – 4
4th Tank Regiment[32]
Type 95 Ha-Go light tanks – 35
Type 89 I-Go medium tanks – 8
Type 94 tankettes – 3
The commander of the 149th Rifle Regiment before the offensive
The northern task force succeeded in crossing the Khalkhyn Gol, driving the
Soviets from Baintsagan Hill, and advancing south along the west bank.
However, Zhukov, perceiving the threat, launched a counterattack with 450
tanks and armored cars. The tanks consisted of primarily BTs with a handful
of T-26s, while the armored cars were BA-10s and BA-3/6s, which were similar
in armor (6–15 mm (0.24–0.59 in)) and armament (main: 45 mm (2 in) gun
20K mod, secondary: two 7.62 mm (0.30 in) machine guns) to the Soviet light
tanks. The Soviet armored force, despite being unsupported by infantry,
attacked the Japanese on three sides and nearly encircled them. The Japanese
force, further handicapped by having only one pontoon bridge across the
river for supplies, was forced to withdraw, recrossing the river on 5 July.
Meanwhile, the 1st Tank Corps of the Yasuoka Detachment (the southern task
force) attacked on the night of 2 July, moving in the darkness to avoid the
Soviet artillery on the high ground of the river's west bank. A pitched
battle ensued in which the Yasuoka Detachment lost over half its armor, but
still could not break through the Soviet forces on the east bank and reach
the Kawatama Bridge.[33][34] After a Soviet counterattack on 9 July threw
the battered, depleted Yasuoka Detachment back, it was dissolved and Yasuoka
was relieved.[35] Overall, the Japanese lost 42 tanks in these encounters,
primarily to 45 mm gunfire, which outranged the Japanese weapons.[36] In
return, on 3 July alone, the Soviet-Mongolian side lost a total of 77 tanks
and 45 armored cars out of a total of 133 and 59 committed to the fight,
respectively.[37]
Japanese pilots pictured on a Toyota KC starter truck
The two armies continued to spar with each other over the next two weeks
along a four-kilometre (2.5 mi) front running along the east bank of the
Khalkhyn Gol to its junction with the Holsten River.[38] Zhukov, whose army
was 748 km (465 mi) away from its base of supply, assembled a fleet of 2,600
trucks to supply his troops, while the Japanese suffered severe supply
problems due to a lack of similar motor transport.[29] On 23 July, the
Japanese launched another large-scale assault, sending the 64th and 72nd
Infantry Regiments against Soviet forces defending the Kawatama Bridge.
Japanese artillery supported the attack with a massive barrage that consumed
more than half of their ammunition stores over a period of two days.[39]
The attack made some progress but failed to break through Soviet lines and
reach the bridge. The Japanese disengaged from the attack on 25 July due to
mounting casualties and depleted artillery stores. By this point they had
suffered over 5,000 casualties between late May and 25 July, with Soviet
losses being much higher but more easily replaced.[29][40] The battle
drifted into a stalemate. | b********n
发帖数: 1 | 14 Zhukov, perceiving the threat, launched a counterattack with 450
tanks and armored cars. The tanks consisted of primarily BTs with a handful
of T-26s, while the armored cars were BA-10s and BA-3/6s, which were similar
in armor (6–15 mm (0.24–0.59 in)) and armament (main: 45 mm (2 in) gun
20K mod, secondary: two 7.62 mm (0.30 in) machine guns) to the Soviet light
tanks. The Soviet armored force, despite being unsupported by infantry,
attacked the Japanese on three sides and nearly encircled them. | b********n
发帖数: 1 | 15 Zhukov, whose army
was 748 km (465 mi) away from its base of supply, assembled a fleet of 2,600
trucks to supply his troops, while the Japanese suffered severe supply
problems due to a lack of similar motor transport.[29] | b********n
发帖数: 1 | 16 August: Soviet counterattack
BT-7 Tanks in the Battle of Khalkhin Gol
BT-7 tank with infantry mounted to bring them into combat
With war apparently imminent in Europe, Zhukov planned a major offensive on
20 August to clear the Japanese from the Khalkhin Gol region and end the
fighting.[41] Zhukov, using a fleet of at least 4,000 trucks (IJA officers
with hindsight dispute this, saying he instead used 10,000 to 20,000 motor
vehicles) transporting supplies from the nearest base in Chita (600
kilometres (370 mi) away)[8] assembled a powerful armored force of three
tank brigades (the 4th, 6th and 11th), and two mechanized brigades (the 7th
and 8th, which were armored-car units with attached infantry support). This
force was allocated to the Soviet left and right wings. The entire Soviet
force consisted of three rifle divisions, two tank divisions and two more
tank brigades (in all, some 498 BT-5 and BT-7 tanks),[42] two motorized
infantry divisions, and over 550 fighters and bombers.[43] The Mongolians
committed two cavalry divisions.[44][45][46]
In comparison, at the point of contact, the Kwantung Army had only General
Komatsubara's 23rd Infantry Division, which with various attached forces was
equivalent to two light-infantry divisions. Its headquarters had been at
Hailar, over 150 km (93 mi) from the fighting. Japanese intelligence,
despite demonstrating an ability to track the build-up of Zhukov's force
accurately, failed to precipitate an appropriate response from below.[47]
Thus, when the Soviets finally did launch their offensive, Komatsubara was
caught off guard.[47][48] To test the Japanese defences prior to their main
assault on 20 August, the Soviets launched three aggressive probing assaults
, one on 3 August and the others on 7/8 August. All three were disastrously
thrown back, with around 1,000 combined dead and several tanks knocked out
on the Soviet side compared to just 85 Japanese casualties.[49] Moreover,
the Japanese counter-attacked and routed elements of the Mongolian 8th
Cavalry Division, seizing a hilly sector of the battlefront.[50] Despite the
fact that no more major fighting would take place until 20 August, Japanese
casualties continued to mount at a rate of 40 wounded per day.[51] Kwantung
Army staff officers were becoming increasingly worried over the
disorganized state of the 6th Army's headquarters and supply elements. In
addition, the growing casualty count meant that the already green 23rd
Division would have to take, train, and assimilate new replacements "on the
job".[51] By contrast, Tokyo's oft-stated desire that it would not escalate
the fighting at Khalkhin-Gol proved immensely relieving to the Soviets, who
were free to hand-pick select units from across their entire military to be
concentrated for a local offensive without fear of Japanese retaliation
elsewhere.[52]
Zhukov decided it was time to break the stalemate.[43] At 05:45 on 20 August
1939, Soviet artillery and 557 aircraft[43] attacked Japanese positions,
the first fighter-bomber offensive in Soviet Air Force history.[53]
Approximately 50,000 Soviet and Mongolian soldiers of the 57th Special Corps
defended the east bank of the Khalkhyn Gol. Three infantry divisions and a
tank brigade crossed the river, supported by massed artillery and the Soviet
Air Force. Once the Japanese were pinned down by the attack of Soviet
center units, Soviet armored units swept around the flanks and attacked the
Japanese in the rear, achieving a classic double envelopment. When the
Soviet wings linked up at Nomonhan village on 25 August, the Japanese 23rd
Infantry Division was trapped.[29][54][55] On 26 August, a Japanese
counterattack to relieve the 23rd Division failed. On 27 August, the 23rd
Division attempted to break out of the encirclement, but also failed. When
the surrounded forces refused to surrender, they were again hit with
artillery and air attacks. By 31 August, Japanese forces on the Mongolian
side of the border were destroyed, leaving remnants of the 23rd Division on
the Manchurian side. The Soviets had achieved their objective.[56]
Captured Japanese soldiers
Captured Type 95 scout car
Komatsubara refused to accept the outcome and prepared a counteroffensive.
This was canceled when a cease-fire was signed in Moscow.[dubious – discuss
] While Zhukov defeated the Japanese forces on "Soviet territory", Joseph
Stalin had made a deal with Nazi Germany.[43] After the Soviet success at
Nomonhan, Stalin decided to proceed with the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact, which
was announced on 24 August.
The Soviet Union and Japan agreed to a cease-fire on 15 September, which
took effect the following day at 1:10 pm.[29][57][58] Free from a threat in
the Far East, Stalin proceeded with the Soviet invasion of Poland on 17
September.[59] | l*******2
发帖数: 1 | 17 还有张鼓峰，也被苏军修理，日本陆军基本上是一战欧洲陆军水平 | b********n
发帖数: 1 | 18 hukov, using a fleet of at least 4,000 trucks (IJA officers
with hindsight dispute this, saying he instead used 10,000 to 20,000 motor
vehicles) transporting supplies from the nearest base in Chita (600
kilometres (370 mi) away)[8] assembled a powerful armored force of three
tank brigades (the 4th, 6th and 11th), and two mechanized brigades (the 7th
and 8th, which were armored-car units with attached infantry support). This
force was allocated to the Soviet left and right wings. The entire Soviet
force consisted of three rifle divisions, two tank divisions and two more
tank brigades (in all, some 498 BT-5 and BT-7 tanks),[42] two motorized
infantry divisions, and over 550 fighters and bombers.[43] The Mongolians
committed two cavalry divisions.[44][45][46]
In comparison, at the point of contact, the Kwantung Army had only General
Komatsubara's 23rd Infantry Division, which with various attached forces was
equivalent to two light-infantry divisions. | b********n
发帖数: 1 | 19 朱可夫成为二战苏军最优秀将领不是偶然的，这种远距离大规模集结调动在当时是少有
的，他骑兵出身，是吐哈且夫斯基的学生，懂现代化机动坦克战。 | n********g
发帖数: 6504 | 20 是《真理报》厉害。信《真理报》，得永生。
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: 39年诺门坎事件，被苏军打得怀疑人生
: 23师团长小松原战败自杀，其参谋长被伤病砍死
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