T*R
发帖数: 36302 | 1 本来以为他扭腰人，在很多方面是比较开明一点的。
今天这个关于流产的演讲真是让人跌破眼镜。
估计是poll不理想，气急攻心，脑袋烧糊了。 | t*******y
发帖数: 21396 | 2 这不是床铺的特点么，今天说的话明天就可以翻盘赖掉。当然也不把话说死，你要较真
他就给你反过来说一遍。反正怎么解释都行。 | c*******4
发帖数: 1874 | 3 又听主流媒体忽悠的吧，人家问的问题是如果堕胎是违法的，那要不要处罚。都法律规
定违法了还不处罚啊。媒体就会下套，得到个答案马上上宣传机器。
【在 T*R 的大作中提到】
: 本来以为他扭腰人，在很多方面是比较开明一点的。
: 今天这个关于流产的演讲真是让人跌破眼镜。
: 估计是poll不理想，气急攻心，脑袋烧糊了。
| T*R
发帖数: 36302 | 4 呵呵，以前他都不怎么提流产的。
真是不鸣而已一鸣惊人。
流产这个是一个很重要的issue，比lgbt要重要多了。
又听主流媒体忽悠的吧，人家问的问题是如果堕胎是违法的，那要不要处罚。都法律规
【在 c*******4 的大作中提到】
: 又听主流媒体忽悠的吧，人家问的问题是如果堕胎是违法的，那要不要处罚。都法律规
: 定违法了还不处罚啊。媒体就会下套，得到个答案马上上宣传机器。
| c*******4
发帖数: 1874 | 5 是他自己要提的吗，主持人翻来覆去的绕最后来个假设怎么怎么样。
QUESTION: Hello. I am (inaudible) and have a question on, what is your
stance on women’s rights and their rights to choose in their own
reproductive health?
TRUMP: OK, well look, I mean, as you know, I’m pro-life. Right, I think you
know that, and I — with exceptions, with the three exceptions. But pretty
much, that’s my stance. Is that OK? You understand?
MATTHEWS: What should the law be on abortion?
TRUMP: Well, I have been pro-life.
MATTHEWS: I know, what should the law — I know your principle, that’s a
good value. But what should be the law?
TRUMP: Well, you know, they’ve set the law and frankly the judges — I mean
, you’re going to have a very big election coming up for that reason,
because you have judges where it’s a real tipping point.
MATTHEWS: I know.
TRUMP: And with the loss the Scalia, who was a very strong conservative…
MATTHEWS: I understand.
TRUMP: … this presidential election is going to be very important, because
when you say, “what’s the law, nobody knows what’s the law going to be.
It depends on who gets elected, because somebody is going to appoint
conservative judges and somebody is going to appoint liberal judges,
depending on who wins.
MATTHEWS: I know. I never understood the pro-life position.
TRUMP: Well, a lot of people do understand.
MATTHEWS: I never understood it. Because I understand the principle, it’s
human life as people see it.
TRUMP: Which it is.
MATTHEWS: But what crime is it?
TRUMP: Well, it’s human life.
MATTHEWS: No, should the woman be punished for having an abortion?
TRUMP: Look…
MATTHEWS: This is not something you can dodge.
TRUMP: It’s a — no, no…
MATTHEWS: If you say abortion is a crime or abortion is murder, you have to
deal with it under law. Should abortion be punished?
TRUMP: Well, people in certain parts of the Republican Party and
Conservative Republicans would say, “yes, they should be punished.”
MATTHEWS: How about you?
TRUMP: I would say that it’s a very serious problem. And it’s a problem
that we have to decide on. It’s very hard.
MATTHEWS: But you’re for banning it?
TRUMP: I’m going to say — well, wait. Are you going to say, put them in
jail? Are you — is that the (inaudible) you’re talking about?
MATTHEWS: Well, no, I’m asking you because you say you want to ban it. What
does that mean?
TRUMP: I would — I am against — I am pro-life, yes.
MATTHEWS: What is ban — how do you ban abortion? How do you actually do it?
TRUMP: Well, you know, you will go back to a position like they had where
people will perhaps go to illegal places
MATTHEWS: Yes?
TRUMP: But you have to ban it
MATTHEWS: You banning, they go to somebody who flunked out of medical school.
TRUMP: Are you Catholic?
MATTHEWS: Yes, I think…
TRUMP: And how do you feel about the Catholic Church’s position?
MATTHEWS: Well, I accept the teaching authority of my Church on moral issues
TRUMP: I know, but do you know their position on abortion?
MATTHEWS: Yes, I do
TRUMP: And do you concur with the position?
MATTHEWS: I concur with their moral position but legally, I get to the
question — here’s my problem with it…
(LAUGHTER)
TRUMP: No, no, but let me ask you, but what do you say about your Church?
MATTHEWS: It’s not funny.
TRUMP: Yes, it’s really not funny
What do you say about your church? They’re very, very strong.
MATTHEWS: They’re allowed to — but the churches make their moral judgments
, but you running for president of the United States will be chief executive
of the United States. Do you believe…
TRUMP: No, but…
MATTHEWS: Do you believe in punishment for abortion, yes or no as a
principle?
TRUMP: The answer is that there has to be some form of punishment
MATTHEWS: For the woman
TRUMP: Yes, there has to be some form
MATTHEWS: Ten cents? Ten years? What?
TRUMP: Let me just tell you — I don’t know. That I don’t know. That I don
’t know.
MATTHEWS: Why not
TRUMP: I don’t know.
MATTHEWS: You take positions on everything else.
TRUMP: Because I don’t want to — I frankly, I do take positions on
everything else. It’s a very complicated position.
MATTHEWS: But you say, one, that you’re pro-life meaning that you want to
ban it
TRUMP: But wait a minute, wait a minute. But the Catholic Church is pro-life
MATTHEWS: I’m not talking about my religion.
TRUMP: No, no, I am talking about your religion. Your religion — I mean,
you say that you’re a very good Catholic. Your religion is your life. Let
me ask you this..
MATTHEWS: I didn’t say very good. I said I’m Catholic
(LAUGHTER)
And secondly, I’m asking — you’re running for President.
TRUMP: No, no…
MATTHEWS: I’m not.
TRUMP: Chris — Chris.
MATTHEWS: I’m asking you, what should a woman face if she chooses to have
an abortion?
TRUMP: I’m not going to do that.
MATTHEWS: Why not?
TRUMP: I’m not going to play that game.
MATTHEWS: Game?
TRUMP: You have…
MATTHEWS: You said you’re pro-life.
TRUMP: I am pro-life.
MATTHEWS: That means banning abortion
TRUMP: And so is the Catholic Church pro-life.
MATTHEWS: But they don’t control the — this isn’t Spain, the Church doesn
’t control the government
TRUMP: What is the punishment under the Catholic Church? What is the…
MATTHEWS: Let me give something from the New Testament, “Render to Caesar
the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” Don
’t ask me about my religion.
TRUMP: No, no…
MATTHEWS: I’m asking you. You want to be president of the United States.
TRUMP: You told me that…
MATTHEWS: You tell me what the law should be.
TRUMP: I have — I have not determined…
MATTHEWS: Just tell me what the law should be. You say you’re pro-life.
TRUMP: I am pro-life.
MATTHEWS: What does that mean
TRUMP: With exceptions. I am pro-life.
I have not determined what the punishment would be.
MATTHEWS: Why not?
TRUMP: Because I haven’t determined it
MATTHEWS: When you decide to be pro-life, you should have thought of it.
Because…
TRUMP: No, you could ask anybody who is pro-life…
MATTHEWS: OK, here’s the problem — here’s my problem with this, if you
don’t have a punishment for abortion — I don’t believe in it, of course
— people are going to find a way to have an abortion.
TRUMP: You don’t believe in what?
MATTHEWS: I don’t believe in punishing anybody for having an abortion
TRUMP: OK, fine. OK, (inaudible)/
MATTHEWS: Of course not. I think it’s a woman’s choice.
TRUMP: So you’re against the teachings of your Church?
MATTHEWS: I have a view — a moral view — but I believe we live in a free
country, and I don’t want to live in a country so fascistic that it could
stop a person from making that decision.
TRUMP: But then you are…
MATTHEWS: That would be so invasive.
TRUMP: I know but I’ve heard you speaking…
MATTHEWS: So determined of a society that I wouldn’t able — one we are
familiar with. And Donald Trump, you wouldn’t be familiar with.
TRUMP: But I’ve heard you speaking so highly about your religion and your
Church.
MATTHEWS: Yes.
TRUMP: Your Church is very, very strongly as you know, pro-life.
MATTHEWS: I know.
TRUMP: What do you say to your Church?
MATTHEWS: I say, I accept your moral authority. In the United States, the
people make the decision, the courts rule on what’s in the Constitution,
and we live by that. That’s why I say.
TRUMP: Yes, but you don’t live by it because you don’t accept it. You can
’t accept it. You can’t accept it. You can’t accept it.
MATTHEWS: Can we go back to matters of the law and running for president
because matters of law, what I’m talking about, and this is the difficult
situation you’ve placed yourself in.
By saying you’re pro-life, you mean you want to ban abortion. How do you
ban abortion without some kind of sanction? Then you get in that very tricky
question of a sanction, a fine on human life which you call murder?
TRUMP: It will have to be determined.
MATTHEWS: A fine, imprisonment for a young woman who finds herself pregnant?
TRUMP: It will have to be determined.
MATTHEWS: What about the guy that gets her pregnant? Is he responsible under
the law for these abortions? Or is he not responsible for an abortion?
TRUMP: Well, it hasn’t — it hasn’t — different feelings, different
people. I would say no.
MATTHEWS: Well, they’re usually involved. Anyway, much more from the
audience here at the University of Wisconsin, Green Bay. We’ll be right
back.
(APPLAUSE)
【在 T*R 的大作中提到】
: 呵呵，以前他都不怎么提流产的。
: 真是不鸣而已一鸣惊人。
: 流产这个是一个很重要的issue，比lgbt要重要多了。
:
: 又听主流媒体忽悠的吧，人家问的问题是如果堕胎是违法的，那要不要处罚。都法律规
| T*R
发帖数: 36302 | 6 他完全可以用传统的gop温和派的说法来应对，比如允许被强奸女性选择流产等然后绕
过这个话题。
他的说法，实在很过分，所以他自己马上出声明解释。 | h****g
发帖数: 11365 | 7 这个话题绕不过去，他要出来选举，必须有个答案。被绕进去了就是他自己的问题了。
是他自己要提的吗，主持人翻来覆去的绕最后来个假设怎么怎么样。
you
pretty
【在 c*******4 的大作中提到】
: 是他自己要提的吗，主持人翻来覆去的绕最后来个假设怎么怎么样。
: QUESTION: Hello. I am (inaudible) and have a question on, what is your
: stance on women’s rights and their rights to choose in their own
: reproductive health?
: TRUMP: OK, well look, I mean, as you know, I’m pro-life. Right, I think you
: know that, and I — with exceptions, with the three exceptions. But pretty
: much, that’s my stance. Is that OK? You understand?
: MATTHEWS: What should the law be on abortion?
: TRUMP: Well, I have been pro-life.
: MATTHEWS: I know, what should the law — I know your principle, that’s a
| c*******4
发帖数: 1874 | 8 人家问题是如果法律规定堕胎违法，那要不要处罚，违法了当然要处罚。如果Trump回
答不处罚，那媒体肯定又一轮轰炸Trump无视法律。那像主党，非
法移民要合法。
【在 h****g 的大作中提到】
: 这个话题绕不过去，他要出来选举，必须有个答案。被绕进去了就是他自己的问题了。
:
: 是他自己要提的吗，主持人翻来覆去的绕最后来个假设怎么怎么样。
: you
: pretty
| T*R
发帖数: 36302 | 9 你好好读读你贴的东西：
人家明明是问你作为总统ban不ban。就是说由你来选择是否违法。
本来他完全可以把皮球踢给立法／司法系统。
【在 c*******4 的大作中提到】
: 人家问题是如果法律规定堕胎违法，那要不要处罚，违法了当然要处罚。如果Trump回
: 答不处罚，那媒体肯定又一轮轰炸Trump无视法律。那像主党，非
: 法移民要合法。
| T*R
发帖数: 36302 | 10 他说应该ban，要么就是他脑袋烧糊被记者绕进去；要么就是他想迎合保守派选民。
但是这个会让他失去很多中间选民，特别是女性选民。 | | | T*R
发帖数: 36302 | 11 川普本来给人的看法是对外（包括对移民）强硬，对国内一些issues比较温和的，这个
流产的讲话，会很大程度改变他的形象。 | w****y
发帖数: 2952 | 12 我记得在FL他胜选的记者招待会上，他是支持planned parenthood的。
【在 T*R 的大作中提到】
: 呵呵，以前他都不怎么提流产的。
: 真是不鸣而已一鸣惊人。
: 流产这个是一个很重要的issue，比lgbt要重要多了。
:
: 又听主流媒体忽悠的吧，人家问的问题是如果堕胎是违法的，那要不要处罚。都法律规
| h****g
发帖数: 11365 | 13 对外强硬是多少人玩剩下的，
他连鸭嘴帽都弄不到美国生产，执行力很成问题。上台后能做的也就是仇恨外引
【在 T*R 的大作中提到】
: 川普本来给人的看法是对外（包括对移民）强硬，对国内一些issues比较温和的，这个
: 流产的讲话，会很大程度改变他的形象。
| T*R
发帖数: 36302 | 14 所以说他今天有病了。
我相信大多数美新版川粉都是支持合法流产的。
【在 w****y 的大作中提到】
: 我记得在FL他胜选的记者招待会上，他是支持planned parenthood的。
| T*R
发帖数: 36302 | 15 他之所以在东北部和Illinois这样的蓝州初选获胜，一个很重要的原因是他在social
issue上不那么保守。 | l****p
发帖数: 27354 | 16 我觉得他的回答没有大的问题。他不想回答这个态度（而不是斩钉截铁的回答），其实
选民看到后，心里就有底了。他不会因此失去已经得到的票。至于没有决定选谁的选民
，就看他们是看录像，还是单听媒体忽悠了。
单听媒体忽悠的傻子选民，不要也罢。或许这也是为什么川普在白人当中得人心？
【在 T*R 的大作中提到】
: 他之所以在东北部和Illinois这样的蓝州初选获胜，一个很重要的原因是他在social
: issue上不那么保守。
| k*******g
发帖数: 7321 | 17 支持白人流产，严禁黑墨流产，美帝high起来了 |
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