d*b
发帖数: 21830 | 1 估计八路军也勒索过国军伪军吧，我鳖的土匪本质显露无疑 |
d*b
发帖数: 4184 | |
l*****9
发帖数: 9501 | |
x****u
发帖数: 12955 | 4 He used a wrong term. It's not a win-win, but an optimal strategy. First
you have to admit the reality that Li's New Fourth army guerrillas would not
have been able to close off that trade route even if they tried. Second
you have to admit it would not have been sustainable for Li's units to even
harass the trade route continuously .
By adopting this strategy of using threat of harassment to force Japanese to
pay tributes, the cost is minimal, while the long term gains is more than
a real harassment campaign.
It just happens that it's also the optimal strategy for the Japanese as well
to pay the tributes to avoid harassment. Any operational manager will tell
you a constant cost is always better than unpredictability.
Also you have to remember, the threat of harassment would only work if the
guerrillas had demonstrated their capability to carry out the threat, and
continue to demonstrate that capability in some way. That's why a N4A unit
could force Japanese to pay tribute, while KMT forces probably would have to
pay tributes to Japanese units. |
k**0
发帖数: 19737 | 5 同意，典型的用词不当
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even
to
than
well
tell
【在 x****u 的大作中提到】
: He used a wrong term. It's not a win-win, but an optimal strategy. First
: you have to admit the reality that Li's New Fourth army guerrillas would not
: have been able to close off that trade route even if they tried. Second
: you have to admit it would not have been sustainable for Li's units to even
: harass the trade route continuously .
: By adopting this strategy of using threat of harassment to force Japanese to
: pay tributes, the cost is minimal, while the long term gains is more than
: a real harassment campaign.
: It just happens that it's also the optimal strategy for the Japanese as well
: to pay the tributes to avoid harassment. Any operational manager will tell
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j*****p
发帖数: 24000 | 6 这策略上讲可以接受，但是完全没有民族气节了吧
两国交战，任何对敌国的贸易行为都是属于战争行为
这也是为什么德国要打击盟军的商船，而盟军把给德国运矿的船也打沉了
尤其是占领国的商人在被占领国进行贸易，按理就应该被游击队打击，根本不应该收税 |
d******r
发帖数: 16947 | 7 尼玛太长了，叔给你剪短的：
如果不能反抗，就好好的享受。
－－清华校友会 lol
not
even
to
than
well
tell
【在 x****u 的大作中提到】
: He used a wrong term. It's not a win-win, but an optimal strategy. First
: you have to admit the reality that Li's New Fourth army guerrillas would not
: have been able to close off that trade route even if they tried. Second
: you have to admit it would not have been sustainable for Li's units to even
: harass the trade route continuously .
: By adopting this strategy of using threat of harassment to force Japanese to
: pay tributes, the cost is minimal, while the long term gains is more than
: a real harassment campaign.
: It just happens that it's also the optimal strategy for the Japanese as well
: to pay the tributes to avoid harassment. Any operational manager will tell
|
x****u
发帖数: 12955 | 8
Then all spies are traitors.
【在 j*****p 的大作中提到】
: 这策略上讲可以接受，但是完全没有民族气节了吧
: 两国交战，任何对敌国的贸易行为都是属于战争行为
: 这也是为什么德国要打击盟军的商船，而盟军把给德国运矿的船也打沉了
: 尤其是占领国的商人在被占领国进行贸易，按理就应该被游击队打击，根本不应该收税
|
j*****p
发帖数: 24000 | 9 战争期间跟敌国的任何人或机构进行贸易便是通敌行为
可以参考美国的
Trading with the Enemy Act
这个绝大多数国家都认可的法律
不然怎么会有个资敌罪
也就是说，抗日战争期间，无论谁，无论以何种方式放过日本人无论军人平民的运输载
具都是犯罪。
【在 x****u 的大作中提到】
:
: Then all spies are traitors.
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x****u
发帖数: 12955 | 10
So you are reemphasizing that all the spies that worked inside enemy's
organizations are traitors.
【在 j*****p 的大作中提到】
: 战争期间跟敌国的任何人或机构进行贸易便是通敌行为
: 可以参考美国的
: Trading with the Enemy Act
: 这个绝大多数国家都认可的法律
: 不然怎么会有个资敌罪
: 也就是说，抗日战争期间，无论谁，无论以何种方式放过日本人无论军人平民的运输载
: 具都是犯罪。
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j*****p
发帖数: 24000 | 11 尼玛间谍是搞情报的好不好
间谍跟资敌完全是两件事
【在 x****u 的大作中提到】
:
: So you are reemphasizing that all the spies that worked inside enemy's
: organizations are traitors.
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X*******G
发帖数: 14887 | |
x****u
发帖数: 12955 | 13
So you think spies doesn't have to do any real work for the enemy? How
would anyone gain trust of enemy, get promoted, giving authorities if he/she
doesn't have a good track record of completing their assigned work with
great efficiency? Yet by your definition, those works were helping the
enemy, so regardless of the purpose, they are traitors.
【在 j*****p 的大作中提到】
: 尼玛间谍是搞情报的好不好
: 间谍跟资敌完全是两件事
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k**0
发帖数: 19737 | 14 拜托，八路军是在被敌人占领的地盘上打游击， 能一样么
【在 j*****p 的大作中提到】
: 战争期间跟敌国的任何人或机构进行贸易便是通敌行为
: 可以参考美国的
: Trading with the Enemy Act
: 这个绝大多数国家都认可的法律
: 不然怎么会有个资敌罪
: 也就是说，抗日战争期间，无论谁，无论以何种方式放过日本人无论军人平民的运输载
: 具都是犯罪。
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t********6
发帖数: 1728 | 15 您这第一句就两个语法错误。您能把英语搞得顺溜点，再来非常“爱国”的洗地么？对
了，您怎么爱国，怎么不用自己的母语-汉语？
she
【在 x****u 的大作中提到】
:
: So you think spies doesn't have to do any real work for the enemy? How
: would anyone gain trust of enemy, get promoted, giving authorities if he/she
: doesn't have a good track record of completing their assigned work with
: great efficiency? Yet by your definition, those works were helping the
: enemy, so regardless of the purpose, they are traitors.
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w***t
发帖数: 8175 | 16 有道理。看来反左倾不那么简单
not
even
to
than
well
tell
【在 x****u 的大作中提到】
: He used a wrong term. It's not a win-win, but an optimal strategy. First
: you have to admit the reality that Li's New Fourth army guerrillas would not
: have been able to close off that trade route even if they tried. Second
: you have to admit it would not have been sustainable for Li's units to even
: harass the trade route continuously .
: By adopting this strategy of using threat of harassment to force Japanese to
: pay tributes, the cost is minimal, while the long term gains is more than
: a real harassment campaign.
: It just happens that it's also the optimal strategy for the Japanese as well
: to pay the tributes to avoid harassment. Any operational manager will tell
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d***o
发帖数: 7006 | 17 短期国军和平民百姓成为日本军火物资的受害者毫无疑问，新四军后来在国军背后打黑
枪被连锅端，说明新四军收日军的税保存自己从长远的抗日大局来说是资敌行为，所以
无论长短期，这种都是汉奸卖国行为，你再怎么洗也没有用
not
even
to
than
well
tell
【在 x****u 的大作中提到】
: He used a wrong term. It's not a win-win, but an optimal strategy. First
: you have to admit the reality that Li's New Fourth army guerrillas would not
: have been able to close off that trade route even if they tried. Second
: you have to admit it would not have been sustainable for Li's units to even
: harass the trade route continuously .
: By adopting this strategy of using threat of harassment to force Japanese to
: pay tributes, the cost is minimal, while the long term gains is more than
: a real harassment campaign.
: It just happens that it's also the optimal strategy for the Japanese as well
: to pay the tributes to avoid harassment. Any operational manager will tell
|
d*b
发帖数: 4184 | 18 汪主席不仅为了生存，还为了沦陷区人民的生存。
【在 X*******G 的大作中提到】
: 共产党为了生存嘛。哈哈哈哈。
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z**m
发帖数: 3080 | 19 日 这个就是饮鸩止渴 日本人花点小钱 把大量军火用到前线。
日本人要是杀完了国军 会放过共军？
当时共军肯定准备当汉奸了。
这个跟吴三桂一样，只是日本人最后没成功。
【在 d*b 的大作中提到】
: 估计八路军也勒索过国军伪军吧，我鳖的土匪本质显露无疑
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I*3
发帖数: 7012 | 20 汪主席若敲诈不成敢打鬼子不？
【在 d*b 的大作中提到】
: 汪主席不仅为了生存，还为了沦陷区人民的生存。
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I*3
发帖数: 7012 | 21 这就是单方面敲诈勒索，算屁个贸易。
敌占区每个中国人都象八路游击队那样给鬼子设个卡收个税，抗战早胜了。
【在 j*****p 的大作中提到】
: 战争期间跟敌国的任何人或机构进行贸易便是通敌行为
: 可以参考美国的
: Trading with the Enemy Act
: 这个绝大多数国家都认可的法律
: 不然怎么会有个资敌罪
: 也就是说，抗日战争期间，无论谁，无论以何种方式放过日本人无论军人平民的运输载
: 具都是犯罪。
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I*3
发帖数: 7012 | 22 照我老的做派，不光水路，公路铁路也得设卡。每五公里一卡。不交就让游击队收拾你。
皇军向游击队交税。尼玛想想就好笑。
【在 I*3 的大作中提到】
: 这就是单方面敲诈勒索，算屁个贸易。
: 敌占区每个中国人都象八路游击队那样给鬼子设个卡收个税，抗战早胜了。
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I*3
发帖数: 7012 | 23 不知道我帝美军有没有向ISIS交税的习惯。这要是传出去，尼玛太丢人了。
八路也太欺负人了。
【在 I*3 的大作中提到】
: 这就是单方面敲诈勒索，算屁个贸易。
: 敌占区每个中国人都象八路游击队那样给鬼子设个卡收个税，抗战早胜了。
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I*3
发帖数: 7012 | 24 我菌很多酱菌看不惯八路抽皇军的税这事，觉得还是皇军抽八路的税比较符合三观。。。
有没有？有就吱一声。
【在 I*3 的大作中提到】
: 不知道我帝美军有没有向ISIS交税的习惯。这要是传出去，尼玛太丢人了。
: 八路也太欺负人了。
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I*3
发帖数: 7012 | 25 尼玛就算抗战神剧都没有这种神桥段。比裤裆藏雷更雷人。八路军OK。
【在 I*3 的大作中提到】
: 我菌很多酱菌看不惯八路抽皇军的税这事，觉得还是皇军抽八路的税比较符合三观。。。
: 有没有？有就吱一声。
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j*****p
发帖数: 24000 | 26 黄军给游击队交保护费
然后跟美帝在太平洋死磕
不如美帝给游击队交保护费，然后让游击队去打硫磺岛好了 |
I*3
发帖数: 7012 | 27 我帝知道游击队上硫磺岛也就收个保护费，还不如自个去收。没想到皇军服八路不服我
帝。没收着，一来二去就动上手了。
【在 j*****p 的大作中提到】
: 黄军给游击队交保护费
: 然后跟美帝在太平洋死磕
: 不如美帝给游击队交保护费，然后让游击队去打硫磺岛好了
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I*3
发帖数: 7012 | 28 我老估摸着，八路那两年把皇军都榨成渣了。我帝又开价太高，皇军一寻思，还不如拼
了。
【在 I*3 的大作中提到】
: 我帝知道游击队上硫磺岛也就收个保护费，还不如自个去收。没想到皇军服八路不服我
: 帝。没收着，一来二去就动上手了。
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j*****p
发帖数: 24000 | 29 八路那小洞哪里能满足黄军
要不是遇到美帝的大鸟，搞不好八路就怀了黄军的娃了
【在 I*3 的大作中提到】
: 我老估摸着，八路那两年把皇军都榨成渣了。我帝又开价太高，皇军一寻思，还不如拼
: 了。
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I*3
发帖数: 7012 | 30 我菌有那位酱菌的祖上是替皇军干活的，出来爆个料，八路到底拿住皇军什么短了，把
皇军治得死死的？能这么顺利从皇军手里收上税，连一句八格都没有。
【在 I*3 的大作中提到】
: 我老估摸着，八路那两年把皇军都榨成渣了。我帝又开价太高，皇军一寻思，还不如拼
: 了。
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I*3
发帖数: 7012 | 31 听这口气你祖上是替皇军办事的？我咋觉得是八路摁住皇军插皇军的小洞，不从就动粗
让游击队收拾皇军。
当然我帝更直接，先动粗了再插。
【在 j*****p 的大作中提到】
: 八路那小洞哪里能满足黄军
: 要不是遇到美帝的大鸟，搞不好八路就怀了黄军的娃了
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j*****p
发帖数: 24000 | 32 不可能吧，我这分明是美帝的人
看你是八路的人吧
【在 I*3 的大作中提到】
: 听这口气你祖上是替皇军办事的？我咋觉得是八路摁住皇军插皇军的小洞，不从就动粗
: 让游击队收拾皇军。
: 当然我帝更直接，先动粗了再插。
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h*s
发帖数: 2134 | 33 赞
【在 j*****p 的大作中提到】
: 战争期间跟敌国的任何人或机构进行贸易便是通敌行为
: 可以参考美国的
: Trading with the Enemy Act
: 这个绝大多数国家都认可的法律
: 不然怎么会有个资敌罪
: 也就是说，抗日战争期间，无论谁，无论以何种方式放过日本人无论军人平民的运输载
: 具都是犯罪。
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I*3
发帖数: 7012 | 34 那能呢？没看我我帝我帝地叫得亲热吗？
【在 j*****p 的大作中提到】
: 不可能吧，我这分明是美帝的人
: 看你是八路的人吧
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p******o
发帖数: 9007 | |
x****u
发帖数: 12955 | 36
anytime you pick on language and grammar instead of the point of argument,
you have just admitted you don't have anything better to argue.
【在 t********6 的大作中提到】
: 您这第一句就两个语法错误。您能把英语搞得顺溜点，再来非常“爱国”的洗地么？对
: 了，您怎么爱国，怎么不用自己的母语-汉语？
:
: she
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m******r
发帖数: 4351 | 37 好像是黄金荣，虽然表面上没有和日本人合作，其实私底下派自己的门生和TG和日军联
系，担任中间人，走私粮食和医药武器之类。
【在 d*b 的大作中提到】
: 估计八路军也勒索过国军伪军吧，我鳖的土匪本质显露无疑
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