b******3
发帖数: 4385 | 1 过两天美国政府真的破产了，欠中国的国债用什么还呢：
黄金？
公立大学的图书馆？
博物馆古玩字画？
弹药库库存？
科技专利？ | p*****y
发帖数: 1982 | 2 美国可以卖地，比如把加州给中国
【在 b******3 的大作中提到】
: 过两天美国政府真的破产了，欠中国的国债用什么还呢：
: 黄金？
: 公立大学的图书馆？
: 博物馆古玩字画？
: 弹药库库存？
: 科技专利？
| T**********e
发帖数: 29576 | 3 没的事，即使不提高债限，政府收入得优先付债券利息，短期没事，说马上default根
本是忽悠。 | b******3
发帖数: 4385 | 4 加州就算了，撤出西太平洋，把夏威夷和日本让给中国：）
【在 p*****y 的大作中提到】
: 美国可以卖地，比如把加州给中国
| h********5
发帖数: 386 | 5 国债 also has a price that changes, can go down to zero. No need to repay
under extreme condition since its value dropped to worthless.
KuoMingDang bond anyone? Greece bond doing better, 50% haircut.
A sovereign default is the failure or refusal of the government of a
sovereign state to pay back its debt in full. It may be accompanied by a
formal declaration of a government not to pay (repudiation) or only
partially pay its debts (due receivables), or the de facto cessation of due
payments. (Another name is national insolvency if default is not willful,
for instance when total debts are more than total assets.) Most authorities
will limit the use of "default" to mean failure to abide by the terms of
bonds or other debt instruments. Countries have at times escaped the real
burden of some of their debt through inflation. This is not "default" in the
usual sense because the debt is honored, albeit with currency of lesser
real value. Sometimes countries devaluate their currency by ending or
altering the convertibility of their currency into precious metals or
foreign currency at fixed rates. This is also not "default" in the usual
sense of the word, but the remainder of this article will treat it as a
default and in the list below of instances of sovereign default will include
the US actions to diminish and then end the link between the dollar and
gold. Calling this "default" is controversial, however, since all dollars
owed were repaid with dollars as required by the terms of the bonds.
If potential lenders or bond purchasers begin to suspect that a government
may fail to pay back its debt, they may demand a high interest rate in
compensation for the risk of default. A dramatic rise in the interest rate
faced by a government due to fear that it will fail to honor its debt is
sometimes called a sovereign debt crisis. Governments may be especially
vulnerable to a sovereign debt crisis when they rely on financing through
short-term bonds, since this creates a situation of maturity mismatch
between their short-term bond financing and the long-term asset value of
their tax base. They may also be vulnerable to a sovereign debt crisis due
to currency mismatch if they are unable to issue bonds in their own currency
, as a decrease in the value of their own currency may then make it
prohibitively expensive to pay back their foreign-denominated bonds (see
original sin).[1]
Since a sovereign government, by definition, controls its own affairs, it
cannot be obliged to pay back its debt.[2] Nonetheless, governments may face
severe pressure from lending countries. In the most extreme cases, a
creditor nation may declare war on a debtor nation for failing to pay back
debt, in order to enforce creditor's rights. For example, Britain routinely
invaded countries that failed to repay foreign debts, invading Egypt in 1882
[citation needed]. Other examples include the United States' "gunboat
diplomacy" in Venezuela in the mid-1890s and the United States occupation of
Haiti beginning in 1915.[3] A government which defaults may also be
excluded from further credit and some of its overseas assets may be seized;[
3] and it may face political pressure from its own domestic bondholders to
pay back its debt. Therefore governments rarely default on the entire value
of their debt. Instead, they often enter into negotiations with their
bondholders to agree on a delay or partial reduction of their debt payments,
which is often called a debt restructuring or 'haircut'.
Some economists have argued that, in the case of acute insolvency crises, it
can be advisable for regulators and supranational lenders to preemptively
engineer the orderly restructuring of a nation’s public debt- also called
“orderly default” or “controlled default”.[4][5] In the case of Greece,
these experts generally believe that a delay in organising an orderly
default would hurt the rest of Europe even more.[6]
The International Monetary Fund often assists in sovereign debt
restructurings. To ensure that funds will be available to pay the remaining
part of the sovereign debt, it often makes its loans conditional on
austerity measures within the country, such as tax increases or reductions
in public sector jobs and services. A recent example is the Greek bailout
agreement of May 2010. | b******3
发帖数: 4385 | 6 are you sure?
【在 h********5 的大作中提到】
: 国债 also has a price that changes, can go down to zero. No need to repay
: under extreme condition since its value dropped to worthless.
: KuoMingDang bond anyone? Greece bond doing better, 50% haircut.
: A sovereign default is the failure or refusal of the government of a
: sovereign state to pay back its debt in full. It may be accompanied by a
: formal declaration of a government not to pay (repudiation) or only
: partially pay its debts (due receivables), or the de facto cessation of due
: payments. (Another name is national insolvency if default is not willful,
: for instance when total debts are more than total assets.) Most authorities
: will limit the use of "default" to mean failure to abide by the terms of
| c******s
发帖数: 2163 | 7 不知道靠什么担保的，反正是不会还的，想着法子也要把它赖掉. | b******3
发帖数: 4385 | 8 if i remember correctly, half of its goverment Treasury security is held by
its own population, if the situation happen , you can image what will happen
to this country, so no way to escape for Yankees
【在 h********5 的大作中提到】
: 国债 also has a price that changes, can go down to zero. No need to repay
: under extreme condition since its value dropped to worthless.
: KuoMingDang bond anyone? Greece bond doing better, 50% haircut.
: A sovereign default is the failure or refusal of the government of a
: sovereign state to pay back its debt in full. It may be accompanied by a
: formal declaration of a government not to pay (repudiation) or only
: partially pay its debts (due receivables), or the de facto cessation of due
: payments. (Another name is national insolvency if default is not willful,
: for instance when total debts are more than total assets.) Most authorities
: will limit the use of "default" to mean failure to abide by the terms of
| l******t
发帖数: 55733 | 9
by
happen
可以宣布独裁中国是邪恶国家，对邪恶国家要区别对待，对邪恶国家外债清零
【在 b******3 的大作中提到】
: if i remember correctly, half of its goverment Treasury security is held by
: its own population, if the situation happen , you can image what will happen
: to this country, so no way to escape for Yankees
| h********5
发帖数: 386 | 10 正常解决办法 － 大幅加税削减福利削减军费和政府开支勒紧裤带还债过苦日子 － 基
本没门 ！
A bleak future any way:
1)default and issue new currency, like Russia did in 1990's
2)keep printing new paper USD to pay back old bond - QE forever.
3)war - final solution 杀了债主。 这几年TG扩军忙，也得防一手
4)号称国内革命了成立新政府了，废除一切外债 － 俄国, 中国也干过,风水转到美国乐
第二次全俄工兵苏维埃代表大会 - 俄罗斯东欧中亚研究所
euroasia.cass.cn/news/102091.htm
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最后，代表大会选举成立了世界上第一个工农兵苏维埃政府──人民委员会，无产 ...
年初废除沙皇和资产阶级临时政府所欠的一切外债
《新中国外交的光辉历程》 - 中华人民共和国外交部
www.fmprc.gov.cn/mfa_chn/ziliao.../t8737.shtml
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在庆祝中华人民共和国成立五十周年的喜庆日子里，作为一名外交工作者， ... 中国
共产党人起草的《中国国民党第一次全国代表大会宣言》坚决要求废除一切不平等条约
和 ... 宣布一切与反革命政府订立的不平等条约无效。否认反革命政府的一切外债”。
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happen
【在 b******3 的大作中提到】
: if i remember correctly, half of its goverment Treasury security is held by
: its own population, if the situation happen , you can image what will happen
: to this country, so no way to escape for Yankees
| | | h********5
发帖数: 386 | 11 Peter Schiff on the National Debt, China
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQ95njy0r0I | m**********2
发帖数: 6568 | 12 允许中国吞并墨西哥即可。不要美国花一分钱，债务一笔勾销。
美国可以卖地，比如把加州给中国
【在 p*****y 的大作中提到】
: 美国可以卖地，比如把加州给中国
| S***a
发帖数: 3956 | 13 不是，是靠他积累上百年的国家信用担保。
违约的代价就是把他上百年的国家信用付之一炬。
真到这份上中国也不用他还了。
【在 b******3 的大作中提到】
: 过两天美国政府真的破产了，欠中国的国债用什么还呢：
: 黄金？
: 公立大学的图书馆？
: 博物馆古玩字画？
: 弹药库库存？
: 科技专利？
| h********5
发帖数: 386 | 14
国乐
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9 days later, even 6 year old kid knows 3)war - final solution 杀了债主
十月十七日，美国ABC夜间脱口秀主持人吉米金波在搞笑节目中采访四个美国小孩，当
问到“美国欠中国1.3万亿美元，我们怎么还？”一个白人小孩回答“杀光所有中国人
。”背景里响起一片笑声。这档节目全美播放，至少几百万人看了。
http://www.wenxuecity.com/news/2013/10/23/2739930.html
【在 h********5 的大作中提到】
: 正常解决办法 － 大幅加税削减福利削减军费和政府开支勒紧裤带还债过苦日子 － 基
: 本没门 ！
: A bleak future any way:
: 1)default and issue new currency, like Russia did in 1990's
: 2)keep printing new paper USD to pay back old bond - QE forever.
: 3)war - final solution 杀了债主。 这几年TG扩军忙，也得防一手
: 4)号称国内革命了成立新政府了，废除一切外债 － 俄国, 中国也干过,风水转到美国乐
: 第二次全俄工兵苏维埃代表大会 - 俄罗斯东欧中亚研究所
: euroasia.cass.cn/news/102091.htm
: Translate this page
| m*t
发帖数: 7490 | 15 国债是不记名的，知道吗？
【在 l******t 的大作中提到】
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: happen
: 可以宣布独裁中国是邪恶国家，对邪恶国家要区别对待，对邪恶国家外债清零
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