T**********e
发帖数: 29576 | 1 Speaking in Roanoke, Virginia, Mr. Obama:
"If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help.There
was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this
unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive.
Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business—you didn't
build that. Somebody else made that happen." |
p********7
发帖数: 18007 | |
p******u
发帖数: 14642 | 3 社会主义好啊 社会主义好
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwZV0vl7GiE
't
【在 T**********e 的大作中提到】
: Speaking in Roanoke, Virginia, Mr. Obama:
: "If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help.There
: was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this
: unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive.
: Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business—you didn't
: build that. Somebody else made that happen."
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T**********e
发帖数: 29576 | 4
按这个逻辑市场经济和有限税收还有什么意义？下一步可以征税80% 或取消个人财产，
政府统一分配了。
Whatever you got, you don't deserve it. Somebody else helped and allowed it
to happen. So we need to tax you whatever we deem right.
【在 p********7 的大作中提到】
: He is absolutely right!
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m*****5
发帖数: 23482 | |
b*****d
发帖数: 61690 | |
O****X
发帖数: 24292 | 7 说明市场经济这些自由化理论美帝自己都不信，只是如何行动上还有阻力而已
it
【在 T**********e 的大作中提到】
:
: 按这个逻辑市场经济和有限税收还有什么意义？下一步可以征税80% 或取消个人财产，
: 政府统一分配了。
: Whatever you got, you don't deserve it. Somebody else helped and allowed it
: to happen. So we need to tax you whatever we deem right.
|
T*R
发帖数: 36302 | 8 当然不是这样。
这些只是必要条件。
不是充分条件。
所以你不能这么说。
【在 m*****5 的大作中提到】
: 难道不是这样的吗
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O****X
发帖数: 24292 | 9 归根到底
还是谁养活了谁的问题
【在 T*R 的大作中提到】
: 当然不是这样。
: 这些只是必要条件。
: 不是充分条件。
: 所以你不能这么说。
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T*R
发帖数: 36302 | 10 这和市场不市场没有关系。
这是在说个人在历史中的作用。
没有毛主席，中国革命至少晚胜利20年。
没有钱学森和其他两弹元勋，中国原子弹导弹晚10年不只。
同样没有他OBAMA，可能全民医保也要晚10年。
【在 O****X 的大作中提到】
: 说明市场经济这些自由化理论美帝自己都不信，只是如何行动上还有阻力而已
:
: it
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T*R
发帖数: 36302 | 11 你可以说离开老师离开工人离开政府你成功不了。但是你不能说他DIDNOT BUILD IT〉
这是欧八马最近的主要漏洞，给了GOP反击的机会。
你这么说，中间人士是不会赞同的。只有极端左派，穷人会赞同这种说法。 |
T**********e
发帖数: 29576 | 12
"If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help."
Yes, many people helped me, but I paid them for the service.
"Somebody invested in roads and bridges. "
Yes, but I paid taxes to build the roads. And the people who actually built
the roads got paid for the work.
O8的逻辑是大脑进水。
【在 O****X 的大作中提到】
: 归根到底
: 还是谁养活了谁的问题
|
T*R
发帖数: 36302 | 13 你说私企老板DIDNOT BUILD企业，那么是谁BUILD了？是老师吗？是政府吗？
所以最近GOP就集中火力攻击这个言论。 |
O****X
发帖数: 24292 | 14 可怜的，护士自己认为不是穷人了
【在 T*R 的大作中提到】
: 你可以说离开老师离开工人离开政府你成功不了。但是你不能说他DIDNOT BUILD IT〉
: 这是欧八马最近的主要漏洞，给了GOP反击的机会。
: 你这么说，中间人士是不会赞同的。只有极端左派，穷人会赞同这种说法。
|
O****X
发帖数: 24292 | 15 巴马的表达也许不那么精确，不让人舒服
但说的大体没错
built
【在 T**********e 的大作中提到】
:
: "If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help."
: Yes, many people helped me, but I paid them for the service.
: "Somebody invested in roads and bridges. "
: Yes, but I paid taxes to build the roads. And the people who actually built
: the roads got paid for the work.
: O8的逻辑是大脑进水。
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w**********k
发帖数: 6250 | 16 前几个月有个普林斯顿的毕业生talk，叫don't eat the lucky cookie,和这个意思差
不多
最近美帝的文化潮流是感恩
't
【在 T**********e 的大作中提到】
: Speaking in Roanoke, Virginia, Mr. Obama:
: "If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help.There
: was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this
: unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive.
: Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business—you didn't
: build that. Somebody else made that happen."
|
T*R
发帖数: 36302 | 17 我不认为自己是穷人。我认为我是一个普通的中产阶级。我能供得起我的房子车孩子医
疗保险。
你认为我是穷人那是你的看法。我不认为我是穷人。
我也不认为一个SUBWAY老板的成功和政府有屁关系。
我尊敬一切靠勤劳致富的人。这个世界上有很多不劳而获的人。但是也有一些靠自己劳
动致富的人。
你不能否定一切，打倒一切。
【在 O****X 的大作中提到】
: 可怜的，护士自己认为不是穷人了
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z*******3
发帖数: 704 | 18 Yeah, he should be grateful that his dad did his mom.
His statement is harmless nonsense at the first sight but very destructive
for the society for a long run.
I tend to think the society should feel grateful to the entrepreneurs
because they create the jobs, they bear the risk of failures, and they are
the main force to increase the efficiency, productivity and the advance of
technology.
This is like:
do we need feel thanks CCP to lead our nation (in reality enslave and
exploit the people) or the CCP should be grateful that the people feed their
unquenchable corrupted appetite.
't
【在 T**********e 的大作中提到】
: Speaking in Roanoke, Virginia, Mr. Obama:
: "If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help.There
: was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this
: unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive.
: Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business—you didn't
: build that. Somebody else made that happen."
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T**********e
发帖数: 29576 | 19
资本主义的实质是看不见的手，每个人都为自己，通过市场实现利益交换，交税成了政
府用于维护共同利益。
O8这么说基本上是胡搅.
人民交税养活政府，不是倒过来.
修路工，教师都是职业，got paid for the work.
【在 O****X 的大作中提到】
: 巴马的表达也许不那么精确，不让人舒服
: 但说的大体没错
:
: built
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O****X
发帖数: 24292 | 20 其他的不说，老板和政府关系实在太大了
【在 T*R 的大作中提到】
: 我不认为自己是穷人。我认为我是一个普通的中产阶级。我能供得起我的房子车孩子医
: 疗保险。
: 你认为我是穷人那是你的看法。我不认为我是穷人。
: 我也不认为一个SUBWAY老板的成功和政府有屁关系。
: 我尊敬一切靠勤劳致富的人。这个世界上有很多不劳而获的人。但是也有一些靠自己劳
: 动致富的人。
: 你不能否定一切，打倒一切。
|
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O****X
发帖数: 24292 | 21 这套理论到大萧条罗斯福那儿就终止了
【在 T**********e 的大作中提到】
:
: 资本主义的实质是看不见的手，每个人都为自己，通过市场实现利益交换，交税成了政
: 府用于维护共同利益。
: O8这么说基本上是胡搅.
: 人民交税养活政府，不是倒过来.
: 修路工，教师都是职业，got paid for the work.
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l******t
发帖数: 55733 | 22
巴马辩证法学的真好
【在 b*****d 的大作中提到】
: 感谢政府,感谢党.
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T*R
发帖数: 36302 | 23 我也希望对1M的富人多征一点税。
但是，你不能用这个借口来多征税。
这个不是一个很合理的借口。
比如MJ，你多收他的税就收，不要说你的成功是因为你的老师，你的政府。
【在 O****X 的大作中提到】
: 其他的不说，老板和政府关系实在太大了
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O****X
发帖数: 24292 | 24 当然不会用这个借口
这只是一个理论
【在 T*R 的大作中提到】
: 我也希望对1M的富人多征一点税。
: 但是，你不能用这个借口来多征税。
: 这个不是一个很合理的借口。
: 比如MJ，你多收他的税就收，不要说你的成功是因为你的老师，你的政府。
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T*R
发帖数: 36302 | 25 赫赫，其实你个码工比街上的泥鸽更能编程只不过是政府好，老师好，你凭什么赚20万
他只能拿粮食卷？
【在 O****X 的大作中提到】
: 当然不会用这个借口
: 这只是一个理论
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O****X
发帖数: 24292 | 26 不错啊，码工里自认是富人的没有护士多吧，呵呵
【在 T*R 的大作中提到】
: 赫赫，其实你个码工比街上的泥鸽更能编程只不过是政府好，老师好，你凭什么赚20万
: 他只能拿粮食卷？
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T*R
发帖数: 36302 | 27 赫赫，不认为自己是穷人的就是富人？
你这逻辑和八马有得一拼，怪不得是八马粉丝。
【在 O****X 的大作中提到】
: 不错啊，码工里自认是富人的没有护士多吧，呵呵
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O****X
发帖数: 24292 | 28 好吧，中产
中产就是一洗脑名词，你还真自己给自己带上，服了你啊
【在 T*R 的大作中提到】
: 赫赫，不认为自己是穷人的就是富人？
: 你这逻辑和八马有得一拼，怪不得是八马粉丝。
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T**********e
发帖数: 29576 | 29 The whole context Obama said:
If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There
was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this
unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive.
Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business, you didn't
build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn't get
invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all
the companies could make money off the Internet. The point is, is that when
we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also
because we do things together.
他是的重点是政府很重要，你成功了就要感谢人民感谢政府，当然要多交税。 |
n***i
发帖数: 5479 | 30 记得前苏联曾经辩论过遗传决定论和环境决定论，遗传决定论者说，按照环境决定论的
观点，人们生下的孩子应该像他们的邻居而不是父亲。
't
【在 T**********e 的大作中提到】
: Speaking in Roanoke, Virginia, Mr. Obama:
: "If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help.There
: was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this
: unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive.
: Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business—you didn't
: build that. Somebody else made that happen."
|
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T**********e
发帖数: 29576 | 31
O8: if you got a son, you didn't make him.
【在 n***i 的大作中提到】
: 记得前苏联曾经辩论过遗传决定论和环境决定论，遗传决定论者说，按照环境决定论的
: 观点，人们生下的孩子应该像他们的邻居而不是父亲。
:
: 't
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r**********g
发帖数: 22734 | 32 Obama made it happen
't
【在 T**********e 的大作中提到】
: Speaking in Roanoke, Virginia, Mr. Obama:
: "If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help.There
: was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this
: unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive.
: Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business—you didn't
: build that. Somebody else made that happen."
|
l*********1
发帖数: 2971 | 33 奥巴马总统太对了，以后美国红脖可以和他们怒骂的朝鲜人一起唱领袖的恩情比海深
't
【在 T**********e 的大作中提到】
: Speaking in Roanoke, Virginia, Mr. Obama:
: "If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help.There
: was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this
: unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive.
: Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business—you didn't
: build that. Somebody else made that happen."
|
l*********1
发帖数: 2971 | 34 你这男护士能有今天还得感谢美国的党和政府
【在 T*R 的大作中提到】
: 我也希望对1M的富人多征一点税。
: 但是，你不能用这个借口来多征税。
: 这个不是一个很合理的借口。
: 比如MJ，你多收他的税就收，不要说你的成功是因为你的老师，你的政府。
|
l*********1
发帖数: 2971 | 35 美国在社会主义康庄大道上跑步向前，不可逆转。
奥总统2任成功一定会大赦非法移民，这些人一吃福利饭，只会增加民主党的基本盘。
白人现在人口还算超过半数，理论上共和党选总统还有几年机会。以后要迎合新的选民
结构，党内经济政策传统派观点越来越会边缘化。
't
when
【在 T**********e 的大作中提到】
: The whole context Obama said:
: If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There
: was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this
: unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive.
: Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business, you didn't
: build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn't get
: invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all
: the companies could make money off the Internet. The point is, is that when
: we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also
: because we do things together.
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C****n
发帖数: 2324 | 36 Everybody has his own point of view. What Obama said makes a lot sense to a
lot people.
I don't agree, so I will fight to get rid of Obama. That's does not mean
what Obama said is right or wrong, it just means I don' like what he said.
If you don't like it either, stay with me. If there're more people like what
he said, and these people is more powerful than people stay with me, then I
am doomed.
It is that simple, no right or wrong. Just competition of power, who gets
the power to change the law, and stay in power. It may change back and forth
many times, and you are lucky if you live in a time good for you.
For example, if you live in pre-history time, you better be strong, if you
live in modern days, you better be smart or have a good father, if you live
in a time Obama prevails, you better not be the middle class. |
b****l
发帖数: 23606 | 37 尼玛然后这两天杨元庆又给他们上了一课。
There
this
didn
【在 w**********k 的大作中提到】
: 前几个月有个普林斯顿的毕业生talk，叫don't eat the lucky cookie,和这个意思差
: 不多
: 最近美帝的文化潮流是感恩
:
: 't
|
g*****c
发帖数: 4378 | 38 凭什么呀
挣1M的就不带是辛勤劳动所得
最好是FLAT TAX
另外既然大家的成功和别人,政府等等没啥关系,干脆再把政府砍小一点,
福利多削掉点
这样一来大家可以少交点税
TMD美国税实在太多了
【在 T*R 的大作中提到】
: 我也希望对1M的富人多征一点税。
: 但是，你不能用这个借口来多征税。
: 这个不是一个很合理的借口。
: 比如MJ，你多收他的税就收，不要说你的成功是因为你的老师，你的政府。
|
p*********g
发帖数: 9527 | 39 很明显，他在恢复经济政策方面是单干的，没有得到任何帮助。 |
m*****g
发帖数: 3029 | 40
Obama made it happen
【在 T**********e 的大作中提到】
:
: O8: if you got a son, you didn't make him.
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m*****g
发帖数: 3029 | 41 you are a republican?
Let's unite our republican comrades and get rid of O8.
a
what
I
, who gets
forth
【在 C****n 的大作中提到】
: Everybody has his own point of view. What Obama said makes a lot sense to a
: lot people.
: I don't agree, so I will fight to get rid of Obama. That's does not mean
: what Obama said is right or wrong, it just means I don' like what he said.
: If you don't like it either, stay with me. If there're more people like what
: he said, and these people is more powerful than people stay with me, then I
: am doomed.
: It is that simple, no right or wrong. Just competition of power, who gets
: the power to change the law, and stay in power. It may change back and forth
: many times, and you are lucky if you live in a time good for you.
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e***s
发帖数: 1188 | 42 道理很对，但巴马这是在讨好底层，目的并不纯。
而且在目前情况下不合适，资本可以离开美国，让越南人民来help build businesd
【在 T**********e 的大作中提到】
: Speaking in Roanoke, Virginia, Mr. Obama:
: "If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help.There
: was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this
: unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive.
: Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business—you didn't
: build that. Somebody else made that happen."
|
T**********e
发帖数: 29576 | 43
八马这次明摆着要靠阶级斗争取胜了。
【在 e***s 的大作中提到】
: 道理很对，但巴马这是在讨好底层，目的并不纯。
: 而且在目前情况下不合适，资本可以离开美国，让越南人民来help build businesd
|
p*********t
发帖数: 2690 | 44 猜猜他演讲时的听众是些什么人?
't
【在 T**********e 的大作中提到】
: Speaking in Roanoke, Virginia, Mr. Obama:
: "If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help.There
: was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this
: unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive.
: Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business—you didn't
: build that. Somebody else made that happen."
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T**********e
发帖数: 29576 | 45
现在流行恶搞了：
http://didntbuildthat.com/
【在 p*********t 的大作中提到】
: 猜猜他演讲时的听众是些什么人?
:
: 't
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T**********e
发帖数: 29576 | |
h***y
发帖数: 4936 | |
b****l
发帖数: 23606 | 48 我觉得说的不错.
关键是他应该如何来建设底层让底层的人也成为有用的人.
't
【在 T**********e 的大作中提到】
: Speaking in Roanoke, Virginia, Mr. Obama:
: "If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help.There
: was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this
: unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive.
: Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business—you didn't
: build that. Somebody else made that happen."
|
T**********e
发帖数: 29576 | 49
(ZT)
In a sense, Obama is right. Taxpayers are responsible for this amazing
American system. They paid private companies to build roads and bridges.
They paid scientists and technologists to invent and develop the internet.
Taxpayers paid for teachers. Of course that means that half of the
population who pay no federal income tax do not share in the success of the
country. They are the free loaders who don't pay their fair share. On the
other hand, the successful Americans in the top 10% who pay 70% of our tax
revenue are the ones building our country and making us excellent. Thanks
for pointing that out, Mr. President.
【在 b****l 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得说的不错.
: 关键是他应该如何来建设底层让底层的人也成为有用的人.
:
: 't
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T**********e
发帖数: 29576 | |
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l**t
发帖数: 6971 | 51 靠，一群文盲们还在这里high呢？
Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business—you didn't
build that. Somebody else made that happen.
“that”指的是“roads and bridges”，还有上文说的american system。连英文都看
不懂就开骂了，真是够弱智的。 |
T**********e
发帖数: 29576 | 52
't
That 是单数当然是指 a business.
如果是指american system和“roads and bridges”，应该说those。
【在 l**t 的大作中提到】
: 靠，一群文盲们还在这里high呢？
: Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business—you didn't
: build that. Somebody else made that happen.
: “that”指的是“roads and bridges”，还有上文说的american system。连英文都看
: 不懂就开骂了，真是够弱智的。
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w****v
发帖数: 2756 | |
x******g
发帖数: 33885 | 54 嗯，是这个意思。
就是说，光靠企业家自己还是不能成功。
当然这个企业家的创造性是不能否定的。
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【在 T**********e 的大作中提到】
: The whole context Obama said:
: If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There
: was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this
: unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive.
: Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business, you didn't
: build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn't get
: invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all
: the companies could make money off the Internet. The point is, is that when
: we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also
: because we do things together.
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k**o
发帖数: 15334 | |
l**k
发帖数: 45267 | 56 厚厚，护士虽然自称毛轮，在关键问题上还是跟其他毛轮划清界限了啊
【在 O****X 的大作中提到】
: 当然不会用这个借口
: 这只是一个理论
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l**k
发帖数: 45267 | 57 巴马兄弟做不到，林肯再世也做不到
【在 b****l 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得说的不错.
: 关键是他应该如何来建设底层让底层的人也成为有用的人.
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: 't
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x******g
发帖数: 33885 | 58 你傻啊。没看见句号啊？
't
【在 l**t 的大作中提到】
: 靠，一群文盲们还在这里high呢？
: Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business—you didn't
: build that. Somebody else made that happen.
: “that”指的是“roads and bridges”，还有上文说的american system。连英文都看
: 不懂就开骂了，真是够弱智的。
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