p****m
发帖数: 510 | 1 国人的冷漠到了无以复加的地步了。 富士康那么多人跳楼自杀。国人是一边骂富士康
，一边送钱给苹果。
一个有良知的美国果轮到了中国看了苹果产品加工厂，就决定不买苹果产品了。 国人
呢当你用着苹果的产品的时候，有没有想过上面负你们同胞的的生命，身体和精神的健
康？当我看了以下的文章的时候，感觉到中国人真是没救了。
以下转贴。
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Mike-Daisey-goes-after-Apple-apf-
Mike Daisey goes after Apple, the late Steve Jobs
Mike Daisey goes after Apple in his new monologue and takes on Steve Jobs'
legacy
NEW YORK (AP) -- Normally, the launch of a new Apple device such as the
iPhone 4S would make Mike Daisey salivate. But not this year.
Daisey, a monologuist in the vein of Spalding Gray and a recovering "Apple
fanboy," hasn't upgraded his phone since flying to China to investigate how
those smooth, beautifully designed hand-held gizmos are made.
What he found was horrific labor conditions, impossibly long hours and the
use of crippling, repetitive motions. He met very young factory workers
whose joints in their hands were damaged because they performed the same
action thousands of times a shift.
"I was woefully ignorant most of my life. Even though I love the devices
deeply, I never had any idea how they were made and never thought about it
in the least," says Daisey, who had assumed robots put together his iPad and
iPhone.
"I know that people in charge know about these things and chose not to
address them," he adds. "And that's hard to swallow when you see the damage
it does and you know how little it would take to ameliorate a high degree of
human suffering."
Daisey's undercover investigation forms the backbone of his latest monologue
, "The Agony and the Ecstasy of Steve Jobs," which he began working on 16
months ago and has had to alter to acknowledge the death this month of the
Apple co-founder.
"In a profound way, this will reinvent the monologue," Daisey says. "The
context of it shifts so much that it will be like blowing a wind through it.
I think it's going to stir up a lot of things."
While the piece specifically targets Apple, most of what he discovered is
applicable to all high-tech manufacturers. Daisey has performed the new
monologue for some 50,000 people from Seattle to Washington, D.C., and it is
now at The Public Theater until mid-November.
The death of Jobs hasn't prompted Daisey to pull any punches. While he
considers the man a visionary, he also calls him a "brutal tyrant" who "
failed to think different about anything."
"When the design is really good, it connects to the human and actually
creates empathy with the devices, so it's really absurd how there's no
empathy between the people running the company and their own workers," says
Daisey.
Jean-Michele Gregory, Daisey's frequent director and also his wife, says her
husband's sense of betrayal is heightened by his great respect for Apple
and his belief that Jobs could have fundamentally changed the lives of his
workers but chose not to.
"Steve Jobs really was a hero to Mike and I think there was a part of him
that really hoped that perhaps the fact of this monologue might actually
cause Steve to change the way that he practices business," she says.
Daisey's eyes were opened when, posing as a businessman, he traveled to the
Chinese industrial zone of Shenzhen and interviewed hundreds of workers
outside the gates of the secretive Foxconn Technology Group, the world's
largest electronics contract manufacturer.
A string of suicides at the heavily regimented factories have drawn
attention to conditions faced by workers inside. Apple, Dell and Hewlett-
Packard have all announced intentions to look into Foxconn's working
conditions.
Daisey isn't holding his breath. Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak saw the
monologue and apparently cried, but Daisey says Apple hasn't changed its
practices. And Daisey says that Tim Cook, Jobs' hand-picked successor, is
part of the problem. "Tim Cook is personally responsible for the deals with
Foxconn and the way things are set up today," he says.
Having to confront how his beloved devices are assembled has profoundly
changed Daisey, who, simply as a way to relax, used to strip his MacBook Pro
down to its 43 component parts and then reassemble it.
"It ruined my hobby," says Daisey. "It died the way that things we love
often die: We still go through the motions, but fundamentally the connection
is not what it was. And so I don't take the pleasure that I used to from my
devices at all."
To those who argue that improving conditions for workers will only jack up
the costs of our phones and tablets, Daisey shakes his head. "The labor cost
of an iPhone is about $8," he says. "Eight dollars! We do this thing to
ourselves where we make excuses for why we don't do anything, why we don't
hold anyone accountable."
Daisey, who performs his monologues seated at a desk and using notes, has
previously tackled everything from dysfunctional dot-coms to the
international financial crisis. A movie has been made of his monologue "If
You See Something Say Something" and Daisey recently pushed the boundaries
of his art with a 24-hour performance in Portland, Ore.
His work, which combines personal insight, historical digressions and gonzo
journalism, has propelled him across the world, from the South Pacific
island of Tanna to the site in the New Mexico desert where an atomic bomb
was tested. His style is pugnacious, but he's also funny and touching.
"I see my job is to search for the things in my life that I'm obsessed with
and look for things that are in collision in the world and then look for
things that I think my society isn't talking about," he says.
The burly former Maine native says he doesn't judge his audience, even if
they decide to pick up the new iPhone 4S after the show. Daisey says he'd be
perfectly satisfied if everyone who buys a high-tech gadget knows how it
was made.
"My job is to shine a light on and through something," he says. "My job isn'
t actually to stop people from buying devices. My job is to ensure that
these circumstances are part of the conversation."
He hopes one day all factories that make devices will be open to inspectors
and that the world of technology will follow the lead of the organic food
movement and demand changes in the way goods are manufactured. After all, a
cage-free egg is more expensive to create than a cage-free iPhone.
"I do believe that, in time, there will be the electronics version of a
sweatshop-free certification," says Daisey, who adds that it also makes good
business sense.
These days, Daisey upgrades his software but won't shell out hundreds of
dollars for a new iPad or iPhone. He knows this stance can't last forever,
but there's a silver lining.
"I have to say, all the mourning for my hobby aside, there's a real joy to
being freed from the infantilism of the tech world. There's a real
infantilism in being obsessed with just how fast you can render a web page,"
he says. "I never really appreciated how imbedded I was until I stepped out
of it."
Online:
http://www.publictheater.org
http://mikedaisey.blogspot.com |
s********i
发帖数: 17328 | 2 all things made in China are from sweatshop. don't use anything made in
China then. |
e***l
发帖数: 710 | 3 富士康可不只代工苹果，要怪就怪台湾老板。
在打工的里面，能进富士康还算幸运的，因为其他的可能更差 |
E*V
发帖数: 17544 | 4 sweatshop != murder
【在 s********i 的大作中提到】
: all things made in China are from sweatshop. don't use anything made in
: China then.
|
p****m
发帖数: 510 | 5 别忘了苹果是下订单的。
自杀的事情闹了那么大苹果难道不知道? 苹果的利润那么高，换个加工厂也不是不可能。
【在 e***l 的大作中提到】
: 富士康可不只代工苹果，要怪就怪台湾老板。
: 在打工的里面，能进富士康还算幸运的，因为其他的可能更差
|
s******3
发帖数: 7297 | 6 为啥是苹果的错？
【在 p****m 的大作中提到】
: 国人的冷漠到了无以复加的地步了。 富士康那么多人跳楼自杀。国人是一边骂富士康
: ，一边送钱给苹果。
: 一个有良知的美国果轮到了中国看了苹果产品加工厂，就决定不买苹果产品了。 国人
: 呢当你用着苹果的产品的时候，有没有想过上面负你们同胞的的生命，身体和精神的健
: 康？当我看了以下的文章的时候，感觉到中国人真是没救了。
: 以下转贴。
: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Mike-Daisey-goes-after-Apple-apf-
: Mike Daisey goes after Apple, the late Steve Jobs
: Mike Daisey goes after Apple in his new monologue and takes on Steve Jobs'
: legacy
|
y***l
发帖数: 6963 | 7 鬼子怎么攻击tg的？为啥从苏丹买油？为啥不换？为啥米蒂从中东买油？
能。
【在 p****m 的大作中提到】
: 别忘了苹果是下订单的。
: 自杀的事情闹了那么大苹果难道不知道? 苹果的利润那么高，换个加工厂也不是不可能。
|
s********i
发帖数: 17328 | 8 what does "suicide" mean?
【在 E*V 的大作中提到】
: sweatshop != murder
|
p****m
发帖数: 510 | 9 How do you define sweatshop?
Do you have any statistics to support your claim?
Plus when people on the production line started to commit suicide, it is
sweatshop no more. It is hell.
【在 s********i 的大作中提到】
: all things made in China are from sweatshop. don't use anything made in
: China then.
|
g********w
发帖数: 2539 | 10 有点良知的中国人都应该抵制Nokia，Moto，Apple，三星，LG，索爱，中兴.......的
产品。 |
|
|
p****m
发帖数: 510 | 11 苹果有能力改变它的产品加工产的行为模式。 它却选择对一条条跳楼的生命视而不见
。 如果一个政府对杀人犯视而不见，你还会给这个政府交税么？ 如果你说不，那你就
没有理由为苹果辩护了。
【在 s******3 的大作中提到】
: 为啥是苹果的错？
|
g********w
发帖数: 2539 | 12 柳叶刀估计中国自杀率23人／10万，中国is hell
【在 p****m 的大作中提到】
: How do you define sweatshop?
: Do you have any statistics to support your claim?
: Plus when people on the production line started to commit suicide, it is
: sweatshop no more. It is hell.
|
g********e
发帖数: 6425 | 13 你想让富士康几十万人都自杀？
能。
【在 p****m 的大作中提到】
: 别忘了苹果是下订单的。
: 自杀的事情闹了那么大苹果难道不知道? 苹果的利润那么高，换个加工厂也不是不可能。
|
s********i
发帖数: 17328 | 14 你的逻辑有问题，死得是中国人，为啥美国人要care?
1。中国政府为啥不管？为啥不直接禁止apple设厂？
2。中国工人咋就那么傻呢，给apple打工？
3。你作为中国人一不帮助中国工人反抗，二不督促中国政府，为啥搞美国消费者？
你在买中国货的时候是啥标准？不死人就行？to tell you the truth, Chinese
workers work for apple have much better working/living conditions than other
sweatshops which may or may not have suicide/murder. 另外，还有劳改犯生产的
国货呢，咋没见你不买他们生产的国货？
【在 p****m 的大作中提到】
: 苹果有能力改变它的产品加工产的行为模式。 它却选择对一条条跳楼的生命视而不见
: 。 如果一个政府对杀人犯视而不见，你还会给这个政府交税么？ 如果你说不，那你就
: 没有理由为苹果辩护了。
|
p****m
发帖数: 510 | 15 先别说你说的是不是事实， 但是你的逻辑思维有点可笑。搞不清楚充分条件和必要条
件。你的推理就像说如果丰田有刹车问题那么所有的车都有刹车问题。
别忘了前提是生产线上。 那些工人都是经过体检进厂的。至少进厂的时候合格的精神
和身体健康状况的。
【在 g********w 的大作中提到】
: 柳叶刀估计中国自杀率23人／10万，中国is hell
|
s********i
发帖数: 17328 | 16 不管老将也好小将也好，有本事就回国组织工会，上访，把apple代工厂在中国禁了，
在美国网站上发两帖子，号召不买apple算个屁啊，有本事就不让它造，想买都没得买
。 |
t*******y
发帖数: 21396 | 17 那应该抵制所有电子产品才对，富士康在代工厂里面不算差的，笔记本电脑数码相机手
机都应该抵制。 |
p****m
发帖数: 510 | 18 这就是问题所在。
中国人不care. 所以苹果的产品还在中国卖的那么火。
如果中国人care，这种事情早就应该停止发生了。
为啥美国人要care? 美国人才不care。 但是稍微有点良知的，不管是美国人还是中国
人都应该care.
说实话，犯罪的人难道就不要工作么？ 他们对社会犯罪了，为什么不能让他们用劳动
来偿还社会呢？他们的监狱，狱警，吃的，穿的可都是纳税人的钱。
other
【在 s********i 的大作中提到】
: 你的逻辑有问题，死得是中国人，为啥美国人要care?
: 1。中国政府为啥不管？为啥不直接禁止apple设厂？
: 2。中国工人咋就那么傻呢，给apple打工？
: 3。你作为中国人一不帮助中国工人反抗，二不督促中国政府，为啥搞美国消费者？
: 你在买中国货的时候是啥标准？不死人就行？to tell you the truth, Chinese
: workers work for apple have much better working/living conditions than other
: sweatshops which may or may not have suicide/murder. 另外，还有劳改犯生产的
: 国货呢，咋没见你不买他们生产的国货？
|
g********e
发帖数: 6425 | 19 second that, 给本版无脑愤青很好的教育素材
other
【在 s********i 的大作中提到】
: 你的逻辑有问题，死得是中国人，为啥美国人要care?
: 1。中国政府为啥不管？为啥不直接禁止apple设厂？
: 2。中国工人咋就那么傻呢，给apple打工？
: 3。你作为中国人一不帮助中国工人反抗，二不督促中国政府，为啥搞美国消费者？
: 你在买中国货的时候是啥标准？不死人就行？to tell you the truth, Chinese
: workers work for apple have much better working/living conditions than other
: sweatshops which may or may not have suicide/murder. 另外，还有劳改犯生产的
: 国货呢，咋没见你不买他们生产的国货？
|
p****m
发帖数: 510 | 20 如果better, 为什么还自杀？
你说说阿。
other
【在 s********i 的大作中提到】
: 你的逻辑有问题，死得是中国人，为啥美国人要care?
: 1。中国政府为啥不管？为啥不直接禁止apple设厂？
: 2。中国工人咋就那么傻呢，给apple打工？
: 3。你作为中国人一不帮助中国工人反抗，二不督促中国政府，为啥搞美国消费者？
: 你在买中国货的时候是啥标准？不死人就行？to tell you the truth, Chinese
: workers work for apple have much better working/living conditions than other
: sweatshops which may or may not have suicide/murder. 另外，还有劳改犯生产的
: 国货呢，咋没见你不买他们生产的国货？
|
|
|
g********e
发帖数: 6425 | 21 自杀的 可能是给Dell, Touch pad, 联想代工的工人
【在 p****m 的大作中提到】
: 如果better, 为什么还自杀？
: 你说说阿。
:
: other
|
p****m
发帖数: 510 | 22 你说以前没有劳工法的时候为什么人还要去打工呢？ 看你问题问的。 这和聪明和傻
有关系么。
我没说要搞美国消费者。 只是觉得苹果的产品里面有中国工人的鲜血。所以应该抵制。
other
【在 s********i 的大作中提到】
: 你的逻辑有问题，死得是中国人，为啥美国人要care?
: 1。中国政府为啥不管？为啥不直接禁止apple设厂？
: 2。中国工人咋就那么傻呢，给apple打工？
: 3。你作为中国人一不帮助中国工人反抗，二不督促中国政府，为啥搞美国消费者？
: 你在买中国货的时候是啥标准？不死人就行？to tell you the truth, Chinese
: workers work for apple have much better working/living conditions than other
: sweatshops which may or may not have suicide/murder. 另外，还有劳改犯生产的
: 国货呢，咋没见你不买他们生产的国货？
|
c*****g
发帖数: 1083 | 23 你最后回到原始社会，连电脑都不用，表示你的诚意，你用的手机里面的芯片很可能是
日本鬼子的
制。
【在 p****m 的大作中提到】
: 你说以前没有劳工法的时候为什么人还要去打工呢？ 看你问题问的。 这和聪明和傻
: 有关系么。
: 我没说要搞美国消费者。 只是觉得苹果的产品里面有中国工人的鲜血。所以应该抵制。
:
: other
|
p****m
发帖数: 510 | 24 有可能。
但是有点事实，一个美国果轮到中国看了苹果的生产线以后，良心就不让他再买苹果的
产品了。
你作为中国人，应该怎么做呢？
【在 g********e 的大作中提到】
: 自杀的 可能是给Dell, Touch pad, 联想代工的工人
|
s******3
发帖数: 7297 | 25 为啥要变 商业的目的不是追求利益最大化吗
你咋知道跳楼的员工 都是苹果生产线上的？ 富士康生产很多东西啊 说不定跳楼的
都是其他线上的 你能证明吗
【在 p****m 的大作中提到】
: 苹果有能力改变它的产品加工产的行为模式。 它却选择对一条条跳楼的生命视而不见
: 。 如果一个政府对杀人犯视而不见，你还会给这个政府交税么？ 如果你说不，那你就
: 没有理由为苹果辩护了。
|
g********w
发帖数: 2539 | 26 生产线上的工人自杀率就应该比中国人平均自杀率低么？你的逻辑思维一点都不可笑。
【在 p****m 的大作中提到】
: 先别说你说的是不是事实， 但是你的逻辑思维有点可笑。搞不清楚充分条件和必要条
: 件。你的推理就像说如果丰田有刹车问题那么所有的车都有刹车问题。
: 别忘了前提是生产线上。 那些工人都是经过体检进厂的。至少进厂的时候合格的精神
: 和身体健康状况的。
|
g********w
发帖数: 2539 | 27 Nokia，Moto，Apple，三星，LG，索爱，中兴，Dell，IBM，HP。。。抵制Apple没问题
，你应该告诉我们哪家的PC和手机可以用。
制。
【在 p****m 的大作中提到】
: 你说以前没有劳工法的时候为什么人还要去打工呢？ 看你问题问的。 这和聪明和傻
: 有关系么。
: 我没说要搞美国消费者。 只是觉得苹果的产品里面有中国工人的鲜血。所以应该抵制。
:
: other
|
s******3
发帖数: 7297 | 28 富士康不带做 其他人也会做
几十万富士康员工在重压下劳动 好过没钱饿死
华为也自杀那么多 我觉得应该一视同仁 要抵制 一起抵制‘
【在 p****m 的大作中提到】
: 这就是问题所在。
: 中国人不care. 所以苹果的产品还在中国卖的那么火。
: 如果中国人care，这种事情早就应该停止发生了。
: 为啥美国人要care? 美国人才不care。 但是稍微有点良知的，不管是美国人还是中国
: 人都应该care.
: 说实话，犯罪的人难道就不要工作么？ 他们对社会犯罪了，为什么不能让他们用劳动
: 来偿还社会呢？他们的监狱，狱警，吃的，穿的可都是纳税人的钱。
:
: other
|
p****m
发帖数: 510 | 29 不用多说， 我还是引用美国果轮的原话来回答你：
“
"I was woefully ignorant most of my life. Even though I love the devices
deeply, I never had any idea how they were made and never thought about it
in the least," says Daisey, who had assumed robots put together his iPad and
iPhone.”
"I know that people in charge know about these things and chose not to
address them," he adds. "And that's hard to swallow when you see the damage
it does and you know how little it would take to ameliorate a high degree of
human suffering."
”
【在 s******3 的大作中提到】
: 为啥要变 商业的目的不是追求利益最大化吗
: 你咋知道跳楼的员工 都是苹果生产线上的？ 富士康生产很多东西啊 说不定跳楼的
: 都是其他线上的 你能证明吗
|
s******3
发帖数: 7297 | 30 血汗工厂全球多了去了 前些年世界杯 还有人说比赛用球是阿富汗的童工一针一针
磨破手缝出来的 号召大家抵制世界杯
这样的事情数不胜数 你现在上网的电脑 说不定就是哪个血汗工厂出来的 你赶
紧砸了 别用它发贴了
and
damage
of
【在 p****m 的大作中提到】
: 不用多说， 我还是引用美国果轮的原话来回答你：
: “
: "I was woefully ignorant most of my life. Even though I love the devices
: deeply, I never had any idea how they were made and never thought about it
: in the least," says Daisey, who had assumed robots put together his iPad and
: iPhone.”
: "I know that people in charge know about these things and chose not to
: address them," he adds. "And that's hard to swallow when you see the damage
: it does and you know how little it would take to ameliorate a high degree of
: human suffering."
|
|
|
g********w
发帖数: 2539 | 31 恩，楼主应该报出自己电脑型号年代看下标签madein哪里。
【在 s******3 的大作中提到】
: 血汗工厂全球多了去了 前些年世界杯 还有人说比赛用球是阿富汗的童工一针一针
: 磨破手缝出来的 号召大家抵制世界杯
: 这样的事情数不胜数 你现在上网的电脑 说不定就是哪个血汗工厂出来的 你赶
: 紧砸了 别用它发贴了
:
: and
: damage
: of
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D********r
发帖数: 3238 | 32 assembled in
【在 g********w 的大作中提到】
: 恩，楼主应该报出自己电脑型号年代看下标签madein哪里。
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g********e
发帖数: 6425 | 33 不用跟着洋人亦步亦趋吧，你这还是洋奴逻辑。如果你能推翻邓产党，让工人们更有尊
严的劳动，我们拥护你，否则还是别扯淡。
【在 p****m 的大作中提到】
: 有可能。
: 但是有点事实，一个美国果轮到中国看了苹果的生产线以后，良心就不让他再买苹果的
: 产品了。
: 你作为中国人，应该怎么做呢？
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c*****g
发帖数: 1083 | 34 共产党巴不得美国再来个100个苹果企业，这样能解决上百万农民工，还能创造GDP
【在 g********e 的大作中提到】
: 不用跟着洋人亦步亦趋吧，你这还是洋奴逻辑。如果你能推翻邓产党，让工人们更有尊
: 严的劳动，我们拥护你，否则还是别扯淡。
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C****n
发帖数: 2324 | 35 这么说吧, 美国出了一个傻逼, 难倒因为他是美国的民主傻逼, 我们要跟着学傻逼吗?
你不买苹果的产品, 知不知道什么后果吗? 你只是让那些民工的工资更低而已.
"Life is unfair, get used to it."
-- William Gates
and
damage
of
【在 p****m 的大作中提到】
: 不用多说， 我还是引用美国果轮的原话来回答你：
: “
: "I was woefully ignorant most of my life. Even though I love the devices
: deeply, I never had any idea how they were made and never thought about it
: in the least," says Daisey, who had assumed robots put together his iPad and
: iPhone.”
: "I know that people in charge know about these things and chose not to
: address them," he adds. "And that's hard to swallow when you see the damage
: it does and you know how little it would take to ameliorate a high degree of
: human suffering."
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d******g
发帖数: 6966 | 36 老将是路边一坨坨屎绕开走就可以
jobs死了蛮好没有果轮整天唧唧歪歪
lz淡定 |
