p***p
发帖数: 48 | 1 不是很明白怎么他一夜之间似乎就成了伟人，似乎谈不上吧，算是一个相当成功的商人
。想来大家都不觉得马克.扎克博格伟大吧。
他是个商人，企业家。在那个群体里，要讲伟大，个人以为他不如IBM的小沃森和郭士
纳，也不见得强过华为的任正非。特别是如果说要把企业做成百年老店，淡化个人色彩
，他更是做的相当不好。
从苹果产品的角度看，凭心而论，都远远的谈不上革命性的创造或者划时代的创新，想
想汽车，飞机，电报电话，手机和路由器，晶体管和相对论，你就会觉得把乔布斯和爱
迪生，爱因斯坦相提并论是肤浅的。
我有iPOD，iPhone，iPAD和两个苹果笔记本PowerBook和Air。以我个人的看法，苹果真
正的成功之处是精致的工业设计。iPOD不过如此，加上iTune的限制，更是头痛。
iPhone开启了SmartPhone流行的时代，其取胜之处在于触摸屏，精致外壳和简化操作带
来的用户体验远超当时的BlackBerry。iPAD是开发新的市场segment的杰出案例，有点
象Toyota的Scion；同样高分辨率触摸屏和精致设计是其取胜之道。Air的轻巧精致，加
上微软为其提供了Office2011，让其成为我的日常办公机器。
现在我的Android电话取代了iPhone，没什么原因，到了可以互相替代的水平，Android
有更便宜的选择。出差要减重，首先就是不带iPAD。Air必带。台式机还是用PC，与大
众兼容，性价比高过苹果。
从负面看，多年坚持单键鼠标，iPhone/iPAD不能当移动硬盘，iPhone/iPAD不支持flash，都是愚蠢的偏执。
简而言之，一个在特定历史时期引领了消费潮流的成功商人，杰出的市场定位专家，但
在技术上有些无聊的偏执。 |
D********r
发帖数: 3238 | 2 金权社会,99%总是对1%羡慕嫉妒恨,果轮就是那些斯德哥尔摩情结.
【在 p***p 的大作中提到】
: 不是很明白怎么他一夜之间似乎就成了伟人，似乎谈不上吧，算是一个相当成功的商人
: 。想来大家都不觉得马克.扎克博格伟大吧。
: 他是个商人，企业家。在那个群体里，要讲伟大，个人以为他不如IBM的小沃森和郭士
: 纳，也不见得强过华为的任正非。特别是如果说要把企业做成百年老店，淡化个人色彩
: ，他更是做的相当不好。
: 从苹果产品的角度看，凭心而论，都远远的谈不上革命性的创造或者划时代的创新，想
: 想汽车，飞机，电报电话，手机和路由器，晶体管和相对论，你就会觉得把乔布斯和爱
: 迪生，爱因斯坦相提并论是肤浅的。
: 我有iPOD，iPhone，iPAD和两个苹果笔记本PowerBook和Air。以我个人的看法，苹果真
: 正的成功之处是精致的工业设计。iPOD不过如此，加上iTune的限制，更是头痛。
|
r******y
发帖数: 3838 | 3 这世界就没有什么伟人了。
没有汽车，飞机，电报电话，手机和路由器，人类照样生活不比现在差。
【在 p***p 的大作中提到】
: 不是很明白怎么他一夜之间似乎就成了伟人，似乎谈不上吧，算是一个相当成功的商人
: 。想来大家都不觉得马克.扎克博格伟大吧。
: 他是个商人，企业家。在那个群体里，要讲伟大，个人以为他不如IBM的小沃森和郭士
: 纳，也不见得强过华为的任正非。特别是如果说要把企业做成百年老店，淡化个人色彩
: ，他更是做的相当不好。
: 从苹果产品的角度看，凭心而论，都远远的谈不上革命性的创造或者划时代的创新，想
: 想汽车，飞机，电报电话，手机和路由器，晶体管和相对论，你就会觉得把乔布斯和爱
: 迪生，爱因斯坦相提并论是肤浅的。
: 我有iPOD，iPhone，iPAD和两个苹果笔记本PowerBook和Air。以我个人的看法，苹果真
: 正的成功之处是精致的工业设计。iPOD不过如此，加上iTune的限制，更是头痛。
|
a*****a
发帖数: 495 | 4 true
【在 D********r 的大作中提到】
: 金权社会,99%总是对1%羡慕嫉妒恨,果轮就是那些斯德哥尔摩情结.
|
x****u
发帖数: 12955 | 5
flash，都是愚蠢的偏执。
You are wrong on these points.
Single button mouse is simply a user preference issue. And there's no
limitation on user using their own mouse instead of Apple mouse.
Why would anyone want to use iPhone/iPad as mobile hard drive? Their
storage capacity aren't much greater than a flash drive, and more
inconvenient to use.
Support for flash? Does it even run properly on a mobile device? Steve Job
was absolutely right on flash. And other manufacturers are coming around.
eg. Windows 8 Metro IE no longer support it.
【在 p***p 的大作中提到】
: 不是很明白怎么他一夜之间似乎就成了伟人，似乎谈不上吧，算是一个相当成功的商人
: 。想来大家都不觉得马克.扎克博格伟大吧。
: 他是个商人，企业家。在那个群体里，要讲伟大，个人以为他不如IBM的小沃森和郭士
: 纳，也不见得强过华为的任正非。特别是如果说要把企业做成百年老店，淡化个人色彩
: ，他更是做的相当不好。
: 从苹果产品的角度看，凭心而论，都远远的谈不上革命性的创造或者划时代的创新，想
: 想汽车，飞机，电报电话，手机和路由器，晶体管和相对论，你就会觉得把乔布斯和爱
: 迪生，爱因斯坦相提并论是肤浅的。
: 我有iPOD，iPhone，iPAD和两个苹果笔记本PowerBook和Air。以我个人的看法，苹果真
: 正的成功之处是精致的工业设计。iPOD不过如此，加上iTune的限制，更是头痛。
|
a*****a
发帖数: 495 | 6 Flash youtube runs smoothly on my android phone
you are just paranoid. .
Job
.
【在 x****u 的大作中提到】
:
: flash，都是愚蠢的偏执。
: You are wrong on these points.
: Single button mouse is simply a user preference issue. And there's no
: limitation on user using their own mouse instead of Apple mouse.
: Why would anyone want to use iPhone/iPad as mobile hard drive? Their
: storage capacity aren't much greater than a flash drive, and more
: inconvenient to use.
: Support for flash? Does it even run properly on a mobile device? Steve Job
: was absolutely right on flash. And other manufacturers are coming around.
|
x****u
发帖数: 12955 | 7
Youtube runs perfectly well on iPhone/iPad too. So what's missing here?
【在 a*****a 的大作中提到】
: Flash youtube runs smoothly on my android phone
: you are just paranoid. .
:
: Job
: .
|
a*****a
发帖数: 495 | 8 quote
Support for flash? Does it even run properly on a mobile device?
end quote
【在 x****u 的大作中提到】
:
: Youtube runs perfectly well on iPhone/iPad too. So what's missing here?
|
a*****a
发帖数: 495 | 9 btw, you forget FLASH which is the first word in my previous post
【在 a*****a 的大作中提到】
: quote
: Support for flash? Does it even run properly on a mobile device?
: end quote
|
p***p
发帖数: 48 | 10 I am not saying you can not plug in a three-button mouse. But my PowerBook (
PPC based) come with a touchpad with single button. I never bring it to
travel since I hate to put another mouse in my bag.
You can always carry more stuff such as USB flash. But now I do use my
Android phone as a portable driver occasionally and I don't need USB flash
just because I might use it occasionally. Especially when you go to a place
with formal dress, no pocket to carry anything but a phone. Then you want to
copy something, you won't understand how mad I was when I looked at my
iPhone. |
|
|
x****u
发帖数: 12955 | 11
One instance of flash running well doesn't prove it "runs properly on a
mobile device". For that, it has to run every flash app smoothly, which it
obviously doesn't. There's plenty of videos proving that.
【在 a*****a 的大作中提到】
: quote
: Support for flash? Does it even run properly on a mobile device?
: end quote
|
a*****a
发帖数: 495 | 12 show me the statistics.please
it
【在 x****u 的大作中提到】
:
: One instance of flash running well doesn't prove it "runs properly on a
: mobile device". For that, it has to run every flash app smoothly, which it
: obviously doesn't. There's plenty of videos proving that.
|
p***p
发帖数: 48 | 13 If this is your logic to judge Jobs is a "伟人"，you probably want to
imagine a caveman with iPhone in hand (note, the iPhone is just a case,
because no telephone switch and network router it can't do nothing).
Without iXYZ, you might loss some fun, but without the stuff listed below,
you are a caveman, but you can still be happy.
【在 r******y 的大作中提到】
: 这世界就没有什么伟人了。
: 没有汽车，飞机，电报电话，手机和路由器，人类照样生活不比现在差。
|
a*****a
发帖数: 495 | 14 Geico sent his greetings to you.
LOL
【在 p***p 的大作中提到】
: If this is your logic to judge Jobs is a "伟人"，you probably want to
: imagine a caveman with iPhone in hand (note, the iPhone is just a case,
: because no telephone switch and network router it can't do nothing).
: Without iXYZ, you might loss some fun, but without the stuff listed below,
: you are a caveman, but you can still be happy.
|
x****u
发帖数: 12955 | |
a*****a
发帖数: 495 | |
f*****g
发帖数: 3197 | |
p***p
发帖数: 48 | |
k***3
发帖数: 1812 | 19 successful businessman. that is it. |
f**x
发帖数: 4325 | 20 better than a successful scientist. This is capitalism
【在 k***3 的大作中提到】
: successful businessman. that is it.
|
|
|
p***p
发帖数: 48 | 21 But not necessarily more 伟大 than a successful scientist. |
s********i
发帖数: 17328 | 22 你还不如说，“乔布斯就是个人，好不好”。白手起家，打造第一大公司，产品影响千
家万户，这不是伟人是啥，乔布斯本来就不是“一夜之间似乎就成了伟人”，人家一直
是伟人。 |
x****u
发帖数: 12955 | 23
I call that tests. Which is what "statistics" supposed to come from.
【在 a*****a 的大作中提到】
: you call that "statistics"?
|
w********l
发帖数: 11447 | 24 我考，伟人都出来了，你还能再肉麻点吗？
【在 s********i 的大作中提到】
: 你还不如说，“乔布斯就是个人，好不好”。白手起家，打造第一大公司，产品影响千
: 家万户，这不是伟人是啥，乔布斯本来就不是“一夜之间似乎就成了伟人”，人家一直
: 是伟人。
|
f*****g
发帖数: 3197 | 25 嗯，Walmart的总裁是最伟的伟人。
【在 s********i 的大作中提到】
: 你还不如说，“乔布斯就是个人，好不好”。白手起家，打造第一大公司，产品影响千
: 家万户，这不是伟人是啥，乔布斯本来就不是“一夜之间似乎就成了伟人”，人家一直
: 是伟人。
|
w*j
发帖数: 6104 | 26 国内某公司：
上帝有４个苹果，一个给了夏蛙，一个给了牛吨，一个给了JOBS，最后一个。。。
牛啊，JOBS。跟夏蛙，牛吨一起了。
【在 w********l 的大作中提到】
: 我考，伟人都出来了，你还能再肉麻点吗？
|
O7
发帖数: 321 | 27 what's is the last one?
I thought Helen got one too
。
【在 w*j 的大作中提到】
: 国内某公司：
: 上帝有４个苹果，一个给了夏蛙，一个给了牛吨，一个给了JOBS，最后一个。。。
: 牛啊，JOBS。跟夏蛙，牛吨一起了。
|
D********r
发帖数: 3238 | 28 还有白雪公主
【在 O7 的大作中提到】
: what's is the last one?
: I thought Helen got one too
:
: 。
|
c***l
发帖数: 13273 | 29 this is a good one.haha
【在 D********r 的大作中提到】
: 还有白雪公主
|
g*********o
发帖数: 4653 | 30 伟大确实谈不上了，
一个成功的理念营销家、设计家、时尚领导者、
一定程度上的新技术推广者，
但是人品有大瑕疵，如此而已 |
|
|
l**t
发帖数: 6971 | 31
如今大家为了黑Jobs，开始拼命捧爱迪生。。。
爱迪生才是奸商好不好？爱迪生的人品才是真的很坏知道吗？爱迪生的那些专利，没几
个是他自己发明的，大都是手下的engineer们做出来，他抢功劳，甚至还欠薪。Tesla
就是爱迪生的受害者。
不过爱迪生的人品再坏，也比爱因斯坦强多了。爱因斯坦是家暴乱伦抛妻弃子五毒俱全
无恶不作的琐男。
【在 p***p 的大作中提到】
: But not necessarily more 伟大 than a successful scientist.
|
s******3
发帖数: 7297 | 32 why can't businessman be great? You nerds like to talk about logic,
what
kind of logic is that?
Steve Jobs was great and should be remembered, he created stuffs
people like you could never imagine.
Borrow some books, get yourself educated before you made some comments
on a
public forum.
【在 p***p 的大作中提到】
: 不是很明白怎么他一夜之间似乎就成了伟人，似乎谈不上吧，算是一个相当成功的商人
: 。想来大家都不觉得马克.扎克博格伟大吧。
: 他是个商人，企业家。在那个群体里，要讲伟大，个人以为他不如IBM的小沃森和郭士
: 纳，也不见得强过华为的任正非。特别是如果说要把企业做成百年老店，淡化个人色彩
: ，他更是做的相当不好。
: 从苹果产品的角度看，凭心而论，都远远的谈不上革命性的创造或者划时代的创新，想
: 想汽车，飞机，电报电话，手机和路由器，晶体管和相对论，你就会觉得把乔布斯和爱
: 迪生，爱因斯坦相提并论是肤浅的。
: 我有iPOD，iPhone，iPAD和两个苹果笔记本PowerBook和Air。以我个人的看法，苹果真
: 正的成功之处是精致的工业设计。iPOD不过如此，加上iTune的限制，更是头痛。
|
d*********k
发帖数: 300 | 33 頂!
本人從不买苹果的产品，因为这个牌子比较自私（限制太多），价钱不太合理。不知道
为什么Jobs 死了之后就化生为神了，不过就是一个比较成功的商人罢了,算不上什么伟
人。要是他生前把苹果产品免费赠送给普罗大众的话，他还真的比较神样... |
i***l
发帖数: 9994 | 34 就是因为像你楼上那样的傻逼太多。
白痴太多造就了一个神。
【在 d*********k 的大作中提到】
: 頂!
: 本人從不买苹果的产品，因为这个牌子比较自私（限制太多），价钱不太合理。不知道
: 为什么Jobs 死了之后就化生为神了，不过就是一个比较成功的商人罢了,算不上什么伟
: 人。要是他生前把苹果产品免费赠送给普罗大众的话，他还真的比较神样...
|
v*****s
发帖数: 20290 | 35 连接手机和电脑的那根usb线怎么带的？
(
place
to
【在 p***p 的大作中提到】
: I am not saying you can not plug in a three-button mouse. But my PowerBook (
: PPC based) come with a touchpad with single button. I never bring it to
: travel since I hate to put another mouse in my bag.
: You can always carry more stuff such as USB flash. But now I do use my
: Android phone as a portable driver occasionally and I don't need USB flash
: just because I might use it occasionally. Especially when you go to a place
: with formal dress, no pocket to carry anything but a phone. Then you want to
: copy something, you won't understand how mad I was when I looked at my
: iPhone.
|
m*******l
发帖数: 12782 | 36 bluetooth
【在 v*****s 的大作中提到】
: 连接手机和电脑的那根usb线怎么带的？
:
: (
: place
: to
|
v*****s
发帖数: 20290 | 37 不方便啊，有的时候是别人的电脑，你要插个U盘，大家都明白怎么回事，你要跑过去
add a device，先scan后pair，对方会很郁闷吧。而且Bluetooth还是比U盘慢多了。
【在 m*******l 的大作中提到】
: bluetooth
|
r*******d
发帖数: 958 | 38 大赞
跟我想得一样
jobs就一成功商人，怎么整成了伟人 |
r****r
发帖数: 409 | 39 你的观点很幼稚。
【在 p***p 的大作中提到】
: 不是很明白怎么他一夜之间似乎就成了伟人，似乎谈不上吧，算是一个相当成功的商人
: 。想来大家都不觉得马克.扎克博格伟大吧。
: 他是个商人，企业家。在那个群体里，要讲伟大，个人以为他不如IBM的小沃森和郭士
: 纳，也不见得强过华为的任正非。特别是如果说要把企业做成百年老店，淡化个人色彩
: ，他更是做的相当不好。
: 从苹果产品的角度看，凭心而论，都远远的谈不上革命性的创造或者划时代的创新，想
: 想汽车，飞机，电报电话，手机和路由器，晶体管和相对论，你就会觉得把乔布斯和爱
: 迪生，爱因斯坦相提并论是肤浅的。
: 我有iPOD，iPhone，iPAD和两个苹果笔记本PowerBook和Air。以我个人的看法，苹果真
: 正的成功之处是精致的工业设计。iPOD不过如此，加上iTune的限制，更是头痛。
|
r*****g
发帖数: 9999 | 40 看来你没有研究过，ipad上的youtube和直接上youtube网站看到的东西区别大了，那些
Official MV在ipad上都没有。
【在 x****u 的大作中提到】
:
: I call that tests. Which is what "statistics" supposed to come from.
|
|
|
C****n
发帖数: 2324 | 41 One more thing (Damn, I talk like Steve now), I love Steve because I can
learn a lot from him. His business sense, his attitude to life, his methods
managing his time ... etc, he has a big influence on me in a lot different
ways. Watching his speech, I feel like, "exactly!", "Man, I got to do that
too!".
I learn a lot from Bill Gates too, but over all, I think I have learned more
from Steve.
People got inspired by him, got it?
For Edison, Henry, they are great! But they are too far from us, maybe we
should learn from them too, but really, I don't know anything about them in
a personal level except those great stuff they left us.
【在 s******3 的大作中提到】
: why can't businessman be great? You nerds like to talk about logic,
: what
: kind of logic is that?
: Steve Jobs was great and should be remembered, he created stuffs
: people like you could never imagine.
: Borrow some books, get yourself educated before you made some comments
: on a
: public forum.
|
p***p
发帖数: 48 | 42 Never wrote so many posts on mitbbs. Traveling so have time!!
First all, T. Watson Jr. L. Gerstner Jr. and 任正非 are all business men.
So I obviously did not say "businessmen can not be great". I just want to
say Mr. Jobs probably did not do enough to be called "伟大". If you read
more books to know how those three did with their enterprises, you probably
know more about what I am talking about. Especially as I pointed out before,
as a CEO, he put too much personal logo to Apple, this is actually
obviously bad to a public enterprise.
BTW, I assume your are Chinese, so you much know the distance between "great
" and "伟大"。
And do you know how much more important invention IBM and Huawei did? Did
you see people give all the credit to their CEO? I would say by over-
crediting Mr. Jobs, you are doing things unfair to Apple's other managers
and engineers.
On the other hand, you language is pretty rude and I feel shame to talk to
you anymore.
【在 s******3 的大作中提到】
: why can't businessman be great? You nerds like to talk about logic,
: what
: kind of logic is that?
: Steve Jobs was great and should be remembered, he created stuffs
: people like you could never imagine.
: Borrow some books, get yourself educated before you made some comments
: on a
: public forum.
|
p***p
发帖数: 48 | 43 I have to admit the USB/charge cable is pain in the ass.
I never understood why manufactures can not settle a standard on that. But
luckily they are doing so now.
But one thing is painful does not justify you should be able to bear with another.
Give you another real case happened to me.
I was in the train from Switzerland to Germany. I got a phone call and need
to email a few documents asap.
They were in my laptop but I had no wifi in the train.
I had Corporation iPhone with global data plan, but I can't copy word files
to it, and the email client on iPhone does not support sending attachment
either. Luckily at that moment, I still had my BlackBerry storm which could
work as a flash drive. So I copied my files to it, called Verizon to enable
global data, then email them out. But obviously I was not very happy since
BlackBerry is my personal phone and the global data is pretty expensive.
【在 v*****s 的大作中提到】
: 连接手机和电脑的那根usb线怎么带的？
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: place
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p***p
发帖数: 48 | 44 I have nothing against that he is a great guy, a good mentor in certain area.
Personally I learned a lot from Apple (I don't want to give all credit to
its CEO) as well.
As I mentioned, I have all kind Apple gears. They made me seriously re-
weight usability and industrial design in a high-tech even non-comsumer
oriented product.
But again, I just don't think he is “伟大”。But of course, one could has
different standard. If he is “伟大”, I would claim facebook guy Mark
Zuckerberg is also “伟大”. Follow the way to give all credit to CEO, Mark
re-defined SNS business, create great service for maybe 15% of population in
this world, shorten the distance between people. Is that more like a joke?
Again, CEO represents the company, but not equal to.
BTW, I am not a facebook fan, not even an active user. But I like Mark's
honest attitude. He was not confident when he started, did not even expect
facebook to the size today. This is way better than those stories we heard
that someone had spirit to be a superman when he was two.
methods
more
in
【在 C****n 的大作中提到】
: One more thing (Damn, I talk like Steve now), I love Steve because I can
: learn a lot from him. His business sense, his attitude to life, his methods
: managing his time ... etc, he has a big influence on me in a lot different
: ways. Watching his speech, I feel like, "exactly!", "Man, I got to do that
: too!".
: I learn a lot from Bill Gates too, but over all, I think I have learned more
: from Steve.
: People got inspired by him, got it?
: For Edison, Henry, they are great! But they are too far from us, maybe we
: should learn from them too, but really, I don't know anything about them in
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s******k
发帖数: 873 | 45 try tethering next time
【在 p***p 的大作中提到】
: I have to admit the USB/charge cable is pain in the ass.
: I never understood why manufactures can not settle a standard on that. But
: luckily they are doing so now.
: But one thing is painful does not justify you should be able to bear with another.
: Give you another real case happened to me.
: I was in the train from Switzerland to Germany. I got a phone call and need
: to email a few documents asap.
: They were in my laptop but I had no wifi in the train.
: I had Corporation iPhone with global data plan, but I can't copy word files
: to it, and the email client on iPhone does not support sending attachment
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p***p
发帖数: 48 | 46 I could be wrong but I think you need to pay for this feature.
【在 s******k 的大作中提到】
: try tethering next time
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j******a
发帖数: 1582 | 47 据说iPhone的tether不咋地啊
【在 s******k 的大作中提到】
: try tethering next time
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s******k
发帖数: 873 | 48 the data plan with tethering is more expensive, $45 for 4G per month (AT&T), but I think it is worth it to stay connected almost wherever I go. I heard that after jailbreak the feature can be turned on for free. BTW the tethering feature works with global data at no additional charge
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s******k
发帖数: 873 | 49 用着还好，速度稳定行都可以接受，上网看贴打网页游戏都没问题，就是贵，每个月多
花$20很心疼
【在 j******a 的大作中提到】
: 据说iPhone的tether不咋地啊
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d******g
发帖数: 346 | 50 No. Terribly wrong. Steve is a lengend to be remembered. Those who deny this
are moron. |
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v*****s
发帖数: 20290 | 51 我完全理解你的观点。我自己就是用android的，但是身上还是揣着个U盘，就是觉得那
根线不太方便揣在口袋里，想看看您老知不知道啥nb应用可以解决这个问题。
another.
need
files
【在 p***p 的大作中提到】
: I have to admit the USB/charge cable is pain in the ass.
: I never understood why manufactures can not settle a standard on that. But
: luckily they are doing so now.
: But one thing is painful does not justify you should be able to bear with another.
: Give you another real case happened to me.
: I was in the train from Switzerland to Germany. I got a phone call and need
: to email a few documents asap.
: They were in my laptop but I had no wifi in the train.
: I had Corporation iPhone with global data plan, but I can't copy word files
: to it, and the email client on iPhone does not support sending attachment
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p***p
发帖数: 48 | 52 I have no good solution.
If you have wifi, you can use dropbox.
Otherwise Bluetooth but need to to pairing.
I always carry the cable since I need to charge it plus occasionally copy
data.
【在 v*****s 的大作中提到】
: 我完全理解你的观点。我自己就是用android的，但是身上还是揣着个U盘，就是觉得那
: 根线不太方便揣在口袋里，想看看您老知不知道啥nb应用可以解决这个问题。
:
: another.
: need
: files
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