h*****9
发帖数: 6643 | 1 http://www.cnbc.com/id/44481201/
Many wealthy Chinese are ditching their Chinese passports according to a
recent survey by China Merchants Bank and Bain & Co. The report found that
27 percent of Chinese with more than 100 million yuan ($16 million) in
investable assets have already migrated and 47 percent are thinking about
leaving China.
Even Gong Li, the famous actress, became a Singaporean citizen. So why are
so many wealthy Chinese taking foreign passports?
Gordon Chang, author of The Coming Collapse of China, sees dark undertones
in the political system as the reason why. Chang argues in an article in
Forbes magazine that wealthy Chinese flee because the government is
consolidating its grip on the economy by boxing out private enterprise. Is
that really true? Does taking foreign passports really mean wealthy Chinese
are protesting government policies? Reality is very different from Chang’s
view.
My firm interviewed 36 Chinese worth more than 100 million yuan who have
already migrated or are thinking about it. None reported government
interference into legitimate business operations as one of the top five
reasons for taking foreign passports. In fact, over 90 percent who took
foreign passports kept businesses in China and remained in the country over
eight months a year. That hardly sounds like businessmen fearful about
limited business operations and the government.
The two main reasons wealthy Chinese took foreign passports were for
education and health care reasons. Having foreign passports made it easier
to secure visas to seek medical care.
Some families reported wanting to send children to international schools in
China, an option off limits to Chinese passport holders. China’s weak
education system made some families want to send kids abroad to study.
One wealthy entrepreneur, Mrs. Li, told me, "The education system in China
focuses too much on rote learning. It does not allow our daughter to take
enough extra-curricular activities like art, so we sent our daughter to
America for high school. An American passport makes it easier to get into
public school and university and find a job after graduation." In Mrs. Li’s
case, she accompanied the daughter to America for high school while her
husband stayed in Shanghai for work.
Many respondents also said it was simply easier to travel or work with non-
Chinese passports because of difficulties securing visas to America and many
other countries. For those who traveled abroad often to shop, having a
foreign passport made it easier to get tourist visas.
Severe pollution and a stressful life were two other reasons why wealthy
Chinese migrated or were thinking about it. One wealthy Beijing women named
Mrs. Wang said, “I am so worried about my son’s health. Rashes cover his
face because of pollution. We are considering moving to America or Canada
while keeping our business in China. Three million dollars only buys tiny
apartments in Shanghai but mansions in North America.”
Many reported similar feelings and plans as Mrs. Wang. In most cases the
main breadwinners, usually the men, stayed in China, while the wives and
children went abroad to study and enjoy a less stressful life in mega
mansions.
Mary, an accountant living in New York, told me she and her two children
lived in the United States because there was less pollution there and the
pace of life was better than in Beijing. Her husband, a banker with Morgan
Stanley, was based in China because of business opportunities. It was hard
being apart from her husband, Mrs. Wang said, but the quality of life in
America is better than in China, which remains a developing country without
all the conveniences of America.
A number of frank businessmen said they had bribed so many corrupt officials
on their way to riches that they were worried their patrons might get
arrested and topple them too. Many said that if anything serious happened in
China like a war or political instability, a foreign passport would make it
easier to get out.
Shaun Rein is the founder and managing director of the China Market Research
Group (www.cmrconsulting.com.cn) a strategic market intelligence firm, and
is based in Shanghai.
He is the author of the upcoming book “The End of Cheap China: Economic and
Cultural Trends that will Disrupt the World” published by John Wiley &
Sons in the U.S. He does not own shares in any company mentioned. Follow him
on Twitter at @shaunrein. |
e**o
发帖数: 6038 | 2 一筐鸡蛋不能放一个筐里
分散财产规避风险
另外，中国的那些富人，有几个没逃税的
哪天上面一高兴，收拾一个准一个
【在 h*****9 的大作中提到】
: http://www.cnbc.com/id/44481201/
: Many wealthy Chinese are ditching their Chinese passports according to a
: recent survey by China Merchants Bank and Bain & Co. The report found that
: 27 percent of Chinese with more than 100 million yuan ($16 million) in
: investable assets have already migrated and 47 percent are thinking about
: leaving China.
: Even Gong Li, the famous actress, became a Singaporean citizen. So why are
: so many wealthy Chinese taking foreign passports?
: Gordon Chang, author of The Coming Collapse of China, sees dark undertones
: in the political system as the reason why. Chang argues in an article in
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i***z
发帖数: 7508 | 3 靠，富人还在乎医保， 教育？
主要是没有政治权利，权贵们可以轻易剥夺他们的财富。
【在 h*****9 的大作中提到】
: http://www.cnbc.com/id/44481201/
: Many wealthy Chinese are ditching their Chinese passports according to a
: recent survey by China Merchants Bank and Bain & Co. The report found that
: 27 percent of Chinese with more than 100 million yuan ($16 million) in
: investable assets have already migrated and 47 percent are thinking about
: leaving China.
: Even Gong Li, the famous actress, became a Singaporean citizen. So why are
: so many wealthy Chinese taking foreign passports?
: Gordon Chang, author of The Coming Collapse of China, sees dark undertones
: in the political system as the reason why. Chang argues in an article in
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e**o
发帖数: 6038 | 4 哈哈
有的文章不能看那么多
可能还认为中国只有30万人能喝可乐的时代那
【在 i***z 的大作中提到】
: 靠，富人还在乎医保， 教育？
: 主要是没有政治权利，权贵们可以轻易剥夺他们的财富。
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i***z
发帖数: 7508 | 5 不过有的老外对中国分析的很透彻。
【在 e**o 的大作中提到】
: 哈哈
: 有的文章不能看那么多
: 可能还认为中国只有30万人能喝可乐的时代那
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e**o
发帖数: 6038 | 6 还行吧，有的还是带偏见一点
不过，对于新发展起来的国家，发展速度太快
大家都感觉不稳当，也是正常的
更何况，中国人还有搞运动的传统，哈哈
【在 i***z 的大作中提到】
: 不过有的老外对中国分析的很透彻。
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q******g
发帖数: 3858 | 7 那些富人住到外国去，然后继续在中国赚钱。所有的好处他们都想要得到。 |
e**o
发帖数: 6038 | 8 恩
就是这样的
人家有钱，有条件
要是中国p民也有条件的话，得至少一半人的这么干
【在 q******g 的大作中提到】
: 那些富人住到外国去，然后继续在中国赚钱。所有的好处他们都想要得到。
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w*********r
发帖数: 42116 | 9 每年政治庇护拿绿卡的比所有EB和投资移民加起来都多, 在移居国外上, P民比富人牛
多了.
【在 e**o 的大作中提到】
: 恩
: 就是这样的
: 人家有钱，有条件
: 要是中国p民也有条件的话，得至少一半人的这么干
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b*******y
发帖数: 4304 | 10 其实中国富人的拳拳爱国之心， 一点不亚于普通人。 这篇文章的仇富情节很严重
【在 w*********r 的大作中提到】
: 每年政治庇护拿绿卡的比所有EB和投资移民加起来都多, 在移居国外上, P民比富人牛
: 多了.
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e**o
发帖数: 6038 | 11 哈哈
倒也是啊
【在 w*********r 的大作中提到】
: 每年政治庇护拿绿卡的比所有EB和投资移民加起来都多, 在移居国外上, P民比富人牛
: 多了.
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w*********r
发帖数: 42116 | 12 CNBC, 老美, 民主社会也仇富?
【在 b*******y 的大作中提到】
: 其实中国富人的拳拳爱国之心， 一点不亚于普通人。 这篇文章的仇富情节很严重
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l**i
发帖数: 8144 | 13 和穷人住在一起很危险
【在 h*****9 的大作中提到】
: http://www.cnbc.com/id/44481201/
: Many wealthy Chinese are ditching their Chinese passports according to a
: recent survey by China Merchants Bank and Bain & Co. The report found that
: 27 percent of Chinese with more than 100 million yuan ($16 million) in
: investable assets have already migrated and 47 percent are thinking about
: leaving China.
: Even Gong Li, the famous actress, became a Singaporean citizen. So why are
: so many wealthy Chinese taking foreign passports?
: Gordon Chang, author of The Coming Collapse of China, sees dark undertones
: in the political system as the reason why. Chang argues in an article in
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V******B
发帖数: 3940 | 14 kao,这个版上谁不是离开中国了
自己的原因还不清楚？
【在 q******g 的大作中提到】
: 那些富人住到外国去，然后继续在中国赚钱。所有的好处他们都想要得到。
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h*****9
发帖数: 6643 | 15 这个版上有几个在中国时可算富人？
【在 V******B 的大作中提到】
: kao,这个版上谁不是离开中国了
: 自己的原因还不清楚？
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h******1
发帖数: 16295 | |
V******B
发帖数: 3940 | 17 难道不是富人就不想离开了，没有钱，就只能靠出国留学了
理由都差不多
【在 h*****9 的大作中提到】
: 这个版上有几个在中国时可算富人？
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b*****k
发帖数: 483 | 18 在中国众多修自行车老头看来，咱可不就是少数富人呗。。。
咱说“我是靠奖学金来的”，老头说：“没钱你丫上的起中国本科大学？”
咱说“我从小头悬梁最刺骨，上补习班，考上大学的”，老头说：“我孙子上不起补习
班。”
咱说“我三岁就读红楼梦立志，可见我的确是聪明”，老头说：“红楼梦是啥？”
【在 h*****9 的大作中提到】
: 这个版上有几个在中国时可算富人？
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p******o
发帖数: 9007 | 19 In effect, rich American park a big chunk of their money oversea too.
【在 h*****9 的大作中提到】
: http://www.cnbc.com/id/44481201/
: Many wealthy Chinese are ditching their Chinese passports according to a
: recent survey by China Merchants Bank and Bain & Co. The report found that
: 27 percent of Chinese with more than 100 million yuan ($16 million) in
: investable assets have already migrated and 47 percent are thinking about
: leaving China.
: Even Gong Li, the famous actress, became a Singaporean citizen. So why are
: so many wealthy Chinese taking foreign passports?
: Gordon Chang, author of The Coming Collapse of China, sees dark undertones
: in the political system as the reason why. Chang argues in an article in
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t**********4
发帖数: 552 | 20 傻逼能不能搞清楚税法先？美国你那cash在那是要收税的。
【在 p******o 的大作中提到】
: In effect, rich American park a big chunk of their money oversea too.
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p******o
发帖数: 9007 | 21 Your mama didn't teach you how to talk like a human being?
American corporation is parking more than 1 trillion dollars oversea, and
many super rich people are having offshore accounts. You never know US
government demanded those Swiss banks to give the bank accounts?
【在 t**********4 的大作中提到】
: 傻逼能不能搞清楚税法先？美国你那cash在那是要收税的。
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I********e
发帖数: 1843 | 22 有道理。
【在 q******g 的大作中提到】
: 那些富人住到外国去，然后继续在中国赚钱。所有的好处他们都想要得到。
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b*******s
发帖数: 3614 | |
h*******9
发帖数: 1399 | |
z******9
发帖数: 1644 | 25 这就是句屁话了。
有了钱，更有风险管理意识而已。
【在 h*******9 的大作中提到】
: 把富人都放出去，对中国的未来，是极大的好事。
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h*******9
发帖数: 1399 | 26
把富人放出去，和当年把留学生发出去，本质上是一个道理。这些人到了海外，心里还
是帮着中国的。
【在 z******9 的大作中提到】
: 这就是句屁话了。
: 有了钱，更有风险管理意识而已。
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z******9
发帖数: 1644 | 27 那不一样， 把富人放出去，也就是把钱放出去了，当年把留学生发出去，那是搞
人才投资，留学生回来之后，带来的是姿势和观念，富人最后回来，几个老爷爷
老奶奶和一群已经归化了的洋人而已，钱也已经永留外面了。
【在 h*******9 的大作中提到】
:
: 把富人放出去，和当年把留学生发出去，本质上是一个道理。这些人到了海外，心里还
: 是帮着中国的。
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h*******9
发帖数: 1399 | 28 中国留学生，特别是早期出来的，有几个回去的？当初放留学生出来的时候，很多人都
说这是智力流失，把中国的精英人才放走了。然而多年之后，事实证明，这些担心，缺
乏长远眼光。这些一去不回的留学生对中国的发展，虽然不是做出了直接的贡献，但是
是有益处的。他们也许加入了西方国籍，但是这些人大多是亲华的，是维护中国利益的
。他们的后代也是如此。
放走富人，看似资本流失，但是这点资本，跟如今中国庞大的资本总量相比，根本九牛
一毛。这些中国的富人精英到了西方，融入当地社会，因为他们的资本，也都是当地的
精英，对中国和世界的融合，利远大于弊。
中国唯一不缺的，就是人。中国人想变成外国人，大可放他们走。华人遍天下，融入移
民地的社会，对中华民族和中国这个国家，都是利远大于弊的事情。
【在 z******9 的大作中提到】
: 那不一样， 把富人放出去，也就是把钱放出去了，当年把留学生发出去，那是搞
: 人才投资，留学生回来之后，带来的是姿势和观念，富人最后回来，几个老爷爷
: 老奶奶和一群已经归化了的洋人而已，钱也已经永留外面了。
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T******y
发帖数: 14506 | |
z******9
发帖数: 1644 | 30 对你的观点，从某个狭隘的角度上我也是赞成的，不过，这就有个直接社会效益的
问题。富人的”富“，是现实社会需要的，你要是每年填税的话，就会发现在美国，
收入前面10%左右的人，就占了50%以上的个人所得税额。2：像
http://4a.4.354a.static.theplanet.com/article_t/ChinaNews/32421
里面说的（不知道是不是真的），如果那种暗的和这种明的都把钱转走，那可不是
一笔小数目。如今中国“庞大”的资本总量其实并不是真正的胖大，还远没有到钱
多得没有地方化的地步。钱对现在的作用比将来的作用重要得多。这点和智力
是有不同的社会功效反映的。
富人走得越多，根据传统，中国剩下的”穷人“会生得更多，这样，中国将只是有越来
越多的穷人，而一代又一代的富人却是远走他乡，这对中华民族和中国这个国家，未
必就是利远大于弊的事情。
【在 h*******9 的大作中提到】
: 中国留学生，特别是早期出来的，有几个回去的？当初放留学生出来的时候，很多人都
: 说这是智力流失，把中国的精英人才放走了。然而多年之后，事实证明，这些担心，缺
: 乏长远眼光。这些一去不回的留学生对中国的发展，虽然不是做出了直接的贡献，但是
: 是有益处的。他们也许加入了西方国籍，但是这些人大多是亲华的，是维护中国利益的
: 。他们的后代也是如此。
: 放走富人，看似资本流失，但是这点资本，跟如今中国庞大的资本总量相比，根本九牛
: 一毛。这些中国的富人精英到了西方，融入当地社会，因为他们的资本，也都是当地的
: 精英，对中国和世界的融合，利远大于弊。
: 中国唯一不缺的，就是人。中国人想变成外国人，大可放他们走。华人遍天下，融入移
: 民地的社会，对中华民族和中国这个国家，都是利远大于弊的事情。
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