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澳大利亚航空专业人士对丝带图片的评论,感觉是目前为止最实在最客观的zt
来源: awzh 于 2010-12-29 11:35:08 [档案] [博客] 旧帖] [转至博客] [给我悄悄话
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Dr Carlo Kopp
Over the last few days imagery of what is claimed to be China's new stealth
fighter has appeared on a range of Chinese Internet sites. There have been
no official disclosures as yet, so many of the claims appearing in the media
may only be speculation presented as fact.
在过去几天里被称为是中国的新型隐身战机的图片在大批中国军事网站上出现。现在还
没有官泄,所以很多细节大家其实都是在YY。(不过作者基本默认不是PS)
The aircraft may be a technology demonstrator or a prototype for a mass
production fighter aircraft. The latter is however much more likely, given
that the PLA Chief of Air Staff claimed an IOC later in the decade.
这架飞机既可能是技术验证机,也可能是量产型号的原型机。但是后一种可能性更大,
因为中国空军的大佬曾公开声称某丝带机十年内入役。
What the imagery shows is a large fighter, approaching the size of an F-111,
with a canard delta configuration and pair of outward canted all moving
vertical tails. This configuration will provide good sustained supersonic
cruise performance with a suitable engine type, and good manoeuvre
performance in transonic and supersonic regimes.
图片中出现的是一架大型战斗机,接近F111的尺寸,配备鸭翼,三角翼以及一对外倾全
动尾翼。这一设计,如果配以合适的发动机,可以很好的实现超音速巡航,同时在跨音
速和超音速范围内提供良好的机动性。
Of most interest is the stealth shaping, which is considerably better than
that seen in the Russian T-50 PAK-FA prototypes and in the F-35 Joint Strike
Fighter. The Chinese design appears to be largely built around the stealth
shaping design rules employed in the F-22A Raptor. The chined nose section
and canopy are close in appearance to the F-22. The trapezoidal inlets are
closest to the F-22, but employ an F-35 style boundary layer control design.
The wing fuselage join angle, critical for side aspect stealth, is very
similar to the F-22 and superior to the Russian T-50 PAK-FA prototypes and
the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter. The flat lower fuselage is optimal for all
aspect wideband stealth. Planform alignment is impossible to assess until in
flight imagery becomes available.
最令人感兴趣的是其隐身外形设计,该设计比在俄T50以及美F35原型机上见到的都更优
越。中国的设计很大程度上遵循了F22A的隐身外形原则。梯形进气道和F22的最为接近
,但是应用了F35那种鼓包进气道设计。对侧面隐身尤为关键的翼身融合角度与F22极为
相似,而优于T50原型机以及F35。平整的机腹有利于各个角度的长波隐身。但是平台的
线形尚无法研判,只能等待收费后飞行姿态图片流出了。
The aft fuselage, tailboom, strakes and nozzles are not compatible with high
stealth performance, but may only be stop gap measures to expedite flight
testing of a prototype. The airframe configuration and aft fuselage would be
compatible with an F-22 style 2D TVC nozzle design, or a non-TVC
rectangular nozzle designed for controlled infrared emission and radio-
frequency stealth.
后机身,尾撑,边条,以及喷口的设计与高度隐身要求并不相符。但是这可能只是临时
的权宜之计以尽快实现原型机上天。气动外形设计与后机身设计应可以(在未来)搭配
类似F22那种二元矢量喷口,或者非矢量的方形喷口以降低红外辐射并实现对雷达波隐
身。
The PLA have not disclosed the engine type. There are claims that the
Russians supplied supercruise capable 117S series engines - these would not
be sufficient to extract the full performance potential of this advanced
airframe.
PLA尚未透露发动机型号。有消息称俄国提供了其可实现超音速巡航的117S系列发动机
,但是该型号将无法充分发挥这一先进气动外形的全部潜能(WS15,就看你了)
The airframe configuration is compatible with ventral and side opening
internal weapon bays, and large enough to match or exceed the internal
weapons payload of the F-22A Raptor. Internal fuel fraction may also be high
, given the fuselage configuration and large internal volume of the big
delta wing.
外形设计应可支持中开门或侧开门内置武器舱。尺寸应不小于F22的内置武器舱。机身
设计以及大尺寸三角翼说明内置燃油舱也应该非常大。
Other unknowns are the intended sensor suite. China has yet to demonstrate
an AESA radar, or an advanced indigenous emitter locating system. However,
these could become available by the time this airframe enters production.
其他未知细节包括雷达传感器系统。中国目前尚未展示主动相控阵雷达或其他先进的主
动探测系统。但是这些系统有可能在飞机正式生产时研发成功。
The size of the airframe, and its evident focus on supersonic persistence,
suggests at a minimum an intention to provide a long range interceptor for
air control in the Second Island Chain geography. This capability by default
would provide the ability to penetrate an opposing IADS to destroy assets
like AWACS, other ISR systems, and tankers. Suffice to say, with suitable
internal weapons, the design could be employed as a penetrating strike
aircraft, in the combat radius class of the F-111 or Su-34 Fullback.
这一飞机的尺寸以及其明显的强化超音速巡航设计至少说明该机的设计意图是提供长程
拦截与制空能力直达第二岛链区域。这一能力将使该机可以穿透敌对的整体防控系统攻
击预警机,其他情报指挥系统,以及空中加油机等目标。毋庸讳言,配备了合适的武器
系统后,该机可以以被作为战役纵深攻击力量使用,其打击半径处于F111与SU34这一级
别。
The notion that an F-35 Joint Strike Fighter or F/A-18E/F Super Hornet will
be capable of competing against this Chengdu design in air combat, let along
penetrate airspace defended by this fighter, is simply absurd.
认为F35或者F/A18大黄蜂之流可以与成都歼20这一机型进行空战对抗,甚至可以突破由
这一机型组成的防线的观点纯属荒唐。
J********a
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F35不成的话鬼子岂不是吓出屎来?真是这样 F22卖不卖?

stealth
media

【在 w*********g 的大作中提到】
: 澳大利亚航空专业人士对丝带图片的评论,感觉是目前为止最实在最客观的zt
: 来源: awzh 于 2010-12-29 11:35:08 [档案] [博客] 旧帖] [转至博客] [给我悄悄话
: ] 本文已被阅读:0次 字体:调大/调小/重置 | 加入书签 | 打印 | 所有跟帖 | 加跟
: 贴 | 查看当前最热讨论主题 Australia Air Power on J-20
: Dr Carlo Kopp
: Over the last few days imagery of what is claimed to be China's new stealth
: fighter has appeared on a range of Chinese Internet sites. There have been
: no official disclosures as yet, so many of the claims appearing in the media
: may only be speculation presented as fact.
: 在过去几天里被称为是中国的新型隐身战机的图片在大批中国军事网站上出现。现在还

w*********g
发帖数: 30882
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F-35确实不行,各方面都比F-22差了一个档次。歼-20是冲着赶上F-22性能的目标去的
,比F-35强也是情理之中。
l**m
发帖数: 5113
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四代机到底在什么样的领先地位?

stealth
media

【在 w*********g 的大作中提到】
: 澳大利亚航空专业人士对丝带图片的评论,感觉是目前为止最实在最客观的zt
: 来源: awzh 于 2010-12-29 11:35:08 [档案] [博客] 旧帖] [转至博客] [给我悄悄话
: ] 本文已被阅读:0次 字体:调大/调小/重置 | 加入书签 | 打印 | 所有跟帖 | 加跟
: 贴 | 查看当前最热讨论主题 Australia Air Power on J-20
: Dr Carlo Kopp
: Over the last few days imagery of what is claimed to be China's new stealth
: fighter has appeared on a range of Chinese Internet sites. There have been
: no official disclosures as yet, so many of the claims appearing in the media
: may only be speculation presented as fact.
: 在过去几天里被称为是中国的新型隐身战机的图片在大批中国军事网站上出现。现在还

d*****g
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各个方面,尤其是航电,发动机,材料。

【在 l**m 的大作中提到】
: 四代机到底在什么样的领先地位?
:
: stealth
: media

l**m
发帖数: 5113
6
世界第一了?

【在 d*****g 的大作中提到】
: 各个方面,尤其是航电,发动机,材料。
m***d
发帖数: 1050
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连个象样得发动机都自己搞不出来, 就靠你这样的自己HIGH, 有沙意思?!
BTW, 下次, 你还是用手吧...LOL

stealth
media

【在 w*********g 的大作中提到】
: 澳大利亚航空专业人士对丝带图片的评论,感觉是目前为止最实在最客观的zt
: 来源: awzh 于 2010-12-29 11:35:08 [档案] [博客] 旧帖] [转至博客] [给我悄悄话
: ] 本文已被阅读:0次 字体:调大/调小/重置 | 加入书签 | 打印 | 所有跟帖 | 加跟
: 贴 | 查看当前最热讨论主题 Australia Air Power on J-20
: Dr Carlo Kopp
: Over the last few days imagery of what is claimed to be China's new stealth
: fighter has appeared on a range of Chinese Internet sites. There have been
: no official disclosures as yet, so many of the claims appearing in the media
: may only be speculation presented as fact.
: 在过去几天里被称为是中国的新型隐身战机的图片在大批中国军事网站上出现。现在还

c*********k
发帖数: 4747
8
哈哈,你HIGH了,你HIGH了.

【在 m***d 的大作中提到】
: 连个象样得发动机都自己搞不出来, 就靠你这样的自己HIGH, 有沙意思?!
: BTW, 下次, 你还是用手吧...LOL
:
: stealth
: media

p******u
发帖数: 14642
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洋彪子的小将,不恨不粪,理智的分析对手。就等洋彪子的老将出现了,估计再给我鳖
刺激几下就潮水般涌出了
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